How TO UPGRADE The Royal Guard In Undertale (Undertale What-If Video)

[@Kustopia]

If I sound weird in this video it’s because I was recovering from the flu while recording the audio.

[@niteman2005]

that sucks, hope you're getting better man

[@Kustopia]

@ Yeah I’m good now. The audio was recorded 4 days ago so I got better.

[@FrisknKris]

Relateable

[@niteman2005]

@@Kustopia thats good

[@INLIGHTOFHISTORTYANDOTHE-px7mf]

hope you’ve gotten better God bless you

[@brennanbellis2724]

9:37 - Counterpoint. It is stated that Mad dummy/ Mew Mew works as Undyne's training Dummy. I could totally see Undyne enlisting them due to their plushy body being good for taking hits.

[@Skywarslord]

oh yeah also both forms are invincible on account of not yet being fully corporeal (although she would likely bond to mew mew body eventually), but in the time the human falls down she literally cannot be harmed

@@Skywarslordin genocide if she feels extreme emotions like anger or sadness it will force corporeolize them to their body, so just grab a skilled human and have them fight, and afterwards they are a one shot

[@Tyler-q3k]

I LOVE his idea of S.o.u.l, its perfect for the tragic comedy of the OG Undertale, and would lead to some wicked boss fights! Someone HAS to make an AU or game about this! =D

[@vitoriangamer7807]

How to improve the *royal guard 1-Pair them in duos so they can cover each other 2- Get more recruits and train them 3-*Organized Crime*

[@melissaquinn1463]

“Sir, we don’t have an enemy!” “We’ll make one.” “…” “…What.”

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@melissaquinn1463 monster version of the CIA will make one right S.O.U.L establish

[@sqwong3947]

I envision muffet as more aggressive and tempramental than the other candidates for the Royal Guard. She's more likely going to be a hitman or a 'code red' enforcer to show up to throw hands in case stuff gets bad enough as she doesn't seem like the type to work well with others. Seems like the perfect role for her to take. Otherwise she would just be the military police to enforce discipline in the royal guard. She's certainly scary enough for sth like that.

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@sqwong3947 she probably part of a special forces unit and run solo like Undine or have a very cautious partner maybe just someone there to oversee her operations probably strong so that she won’t try to eat them

[@LeoD-g6h]

asgore should hire you

[@INLIGHTOFHISTORTYANDOTHE-px7mf]

definitely should

[@Rohan-q1x2t]

Ye

[@jatinjaiswal4762]

So you're saying asgore should hire berdly?

[@boyboilNEO9055]

Assgore

[@roboticartist2793]

​@@boyboilNEO9055 Now you have gone too far

[@NinjaRedBacon]

Doggo and papyrus has alot of potetial because if doggo cannot see without anyone looking papyrus can use his bone attacks to force them to move

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@NinjaRedBacon they help overcome each other’s weaknesses and boost each other strengths arguably

[@NinjaRedBacon]

@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve Yes they can also do that its like they were made to be together

[@elliottsgamingstuffegs8768]

I feel like sans would be the only one to figure out S.O.U.L but would be to lazy to tell anyone.

[@predatitor4183]

Or Mettaton, it could be funny if this was a fangame that in the MTT news he starts realizing that S.O.U.L is fake bya talking about it and all the convenient things that happend with that organization.

[@CaptainUnown]

Ya know, I really worry about Undyne’s back, she supplexes boulders during fights and is carrying the entire royal guard. Hope she has a good chiropractor.

[@chris92264]

And that kids is how an AT (alternate timeline) was born

[@INLIGHTOFHISTORTYANDOTHE-px7mf]

I would like to state that your third idea was absolutely one of the best I ever heard definitely sounds like what Underfell Asgore would do

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

You know, I could see regular Asgore doing it too but instead of monsters it'd be.. out of control Axis units. You gotta repurpose em somehow.

[@BenjaminIzquierdo-nb6tq]

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox nice idea

[@Keon5500_]

Asgore wants to know your ubication.

[@herothroughtime8334]

"War... had changed... it's a series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries..."

[@TinpotCo]

Ok, hear me out here, I have 2 extra ideas : 1: give Dogeressa better equipment than Dogamy, since it's shown that if you kill Dogeressa first, she goes into a blind rage, but if Dogamy is last he doesn't do anything useful. 2: Make Whimaslot solo patrol, but give him a warning siren for when a human does show up so the others can find the human whilst Whimsalot stalls.

[@magnetic9089]

Think a better 3rd idea would be to intrust top ranking royal guards with a soul and have the barrier no longer allow anyone to pass through, it must be destroyed by 7 souls

[@Skywarslord]

I think the Dogi would actually work better as tracker dogs. I can imagine a runner system where one of them stays and silently tracks the human using their sniffing and the other runs that information up to the rest of the guard, or just give them cellphones since those exist. Having near constant tabs on the humans position and activities is a very strong intel advantage

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@Skywarslord that’s a good point kind of like what Sans do but more dog like

[@johnwin7088]

I never really thought about it. *proceeds to think about it* After their breakup, maybe instead of doing useless things like only taking care of flowers all day, asgore could send toriel a letter explaining SOUL and asking her to act as the fake leader since she is already looked up to by everyone and that could make the group appear more real and it would make for some interesting moments what with the whole shes the king wife thing. "No matter how strong she is, dont hurt her or the king will have your head" lie or "Let them escape, we cant risk something happening to the queen" even though shes not the queen anymore and stuff like that. Cant she create pilers of fire to escape or something idk. I personally think sans doesnt actually care about toriel and he would talk to literally anyone else when lonely and secluded but this could be used to engineer an in universe story about him both working for asgore and toriel and he would make for a great informant. Something that I dont think people bring enough attention to is how toriel and papyrus would interact. Probably because they dont interact in game at all. I think papyrus could actually beat toriel and capture her. Shes is seemingly a ranged attacker and papyrus has both the ability to make a bone wall and can jump on them for mobility which Is a ranged attackers natural counter. As for how or if he can actually bring her to the king idk, I can see arguments for ways he could transport her but I am personally a big fan of undying having to come up with a solution on the spot and not so secretly knocks her off bridge onto a boat and she escapes that way. Im not actually sure what would change if toriel sometimes left the ruins. I guess there could be a sorceress vs wizard mage battle. Maybe she slaps muffets ass for being an dumb idiot child and thats how muffet would learn about her and respect her in some way. We might be able to get a small moment where she helps some kids that a freezing which is more likely to happen because she would appear more in snowdin then in the capital. Maybe she wears normal clothes while pretending to run a flower shop in snowden which she uses as a base which could be an interesting twist on how in deltarune asgores flowershop is basically a crack den. You could force a deeper then intended plot point of well, what if someone actually believes in SOUL actually manages to steal and wants toriel to absorb it. If some disaster happens, we could get undyine and toriel using magic at the same time to save someone. Maybe she takes the sans route an she has different disguises and buildings for each location like maybe she runs a hot spring in water fall or maybe she runs a construction sight in hotland and uses her fire to wield stuff together (I dont actually know what construction workers do). We could get small scenes were also disguised asgore comes to buy things from her buildings as an excuse to see her(Bro's literally about to reinvent hes entire house room by room to talk to a girl). If the two sides do team up, asgore might actually leave the thrown room and show up if hears she and her team are going to engage the human in the genocide route. We could step into more theoretical points like maybe toriel would also help civilians escape like undying and monster kid might actually lesson to toriel tell him to run away which would mess up the undying fight. She might start evacuating civilians in snowdin while undying does the same in water fall. If undying dies first, we might see toriel transform instead, I dont really have that much supporting evidence why or how but I think I once herd someone say spear of justice and heart ache use the same music notes or something and now that undying died early, toby fox needs someone else to be the hardest fight in the genocide route. Toriel might knock asgore off screen more often in the pacifist route just because shes closer to the capital in general. You could wright how shes worried about the human and follows them to appear in each of her bases as her way of watching over them.

[@xandtheironminer602]

You are 100% right for saying Muffet should join the Royal Guard. She has more HP than all other royal guards minus Undyne COMBINED. She also has much more ATK, and her magic abilities are stronger. Muffet is literally almost as strong as Undyne herself.

[@INLIGHTOFHISTORTYANDOTHE-px7mf]

Zenith Muffett how strong would that that one

[@xandtheironminer602]

@INLIGHTOFHISTORTYANDOTHE-px7mf Goku's fucked

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

It’s worth mentioning that Muffet was kind of one of the main reasons the genocide route succeeded because the Royal scientist was waiting to cut off the advance and barricade us in, but Muffet wouldn’t leave Muffet besides Flowey is probably one of the greatest assistance in the genocide route

[@ssomenerdd]

​​@@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve (there's like 40 other people still in hotland. Muffet really didn't change much. Especially since I'm 100% sure even If hotland was blocked off , Flowey'd open our way forward anyways)

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@ssomenerdd fair enough, but I always assumed that the reason a lot of those monsters weren’t passed the area anyway was because Muffet was blocking the way with the web either way, I can see your point with Flowey though considering how pro genocide he was up until the point of right before the sans incident

[@darkcode404]

S.O.U.L could end up changing from acting as a terrorist group to actually being one Kind of like what the "Chaos Insurgency" did in the SCP foundation universe (Correct me if I'm wrong about the group of interest)

[@sauceman2885]

The problem with the mercenaries and muffet are that they aren’t loyal, they solely care about themselves and money. A problem with mercenaries in real life too is that they don’t get paid if they die, so why on earth would they die for a cause they don’t even fully support?

[@Chill-person-here]

2:08 well to be fair they also have their flaws 2:24 atleast dogge put up a fight in outertale and wow she talked her (BARK) to asriel,like how she wasn’t trying to play any games. Oh yeah the flaws ahem: Martlet needing the book for protocol which could easily be used against her.her kind heart,and sleepy nature.though she counters that with the injection of dt,the scrapped royal guards are similar to the ones in hotland so I won’t go to much on em. Those lesbians are similar weeknesses to the hotland guards.also is it just me or did the core monster assassins before you fight mettaton feel like royal guard members? They were serious and some could take some hits.and to be fair to them in the geno route we LITERALLY kill undyne who had the most dt of the monsters besides flowey and etc. and considering how the human one shotted the humans 7:25 aye im glad they got attention,so enough yapping and red also has flaws yada yada. 7:59 true i think her role would’ve worked like how outertale did her role in outertale geno.her attacking around waterfall makes sense. 8:45 saw he’s a star. I agree he won’t be a member of the guard.tbh i like an idea of having fish or frog like royal guard members in the water area. Find it fun, or amphibian monsters. OH I ACTUALLY have an idea now. To my drawing lab to make some royal guard members. See ya.

[@ofconsciousness]

This is really well thought out. Great work! The royal guard would be greatly improved.

[@tinaherr3856]

To be fair to the dogs (minus the original duo), most combatants wouldn't try to pet or ignore them, or stay perfectly still in actual combat. The only reason Frisk does it is because they are weird and a protagonist. A normal threat wouldn't try doing stuff like that.

[@jacobwright9351]

introduce Doggo to the concept of orange attacks to make him unstoppable in combat

[@Meh-d6y]

Just add Frisk into the royal guard, boom, practically invincible. (Joke)

[@melissaquinn1463]

I do find it funny though to think that some areas just have their own “police system”, like the Wild East in UTY. Is it real? No, but the monsters in the town are said to be at least amused by the Feisty Five’s shenanigans, and keeping morale up is one of the police’s jobs, so it works out. I actually wrote a new area for an AU I’ve started posting named Hailfall, it’s a city between Snowdin and Waterfall (for visual I think of those small alley nooks you’d find in Japan, the people make a lot of a small space), and it’s run by two gang/mafia organizations called Silent Blizzard and Waterlily Serenade respectively. They lay the law in their half of the city and were pretty firmly rivals until Bran(brave soul) fell 120 years ago and found himself in the middle. Nonetheless, with the human’s cunning, the rivals more or less made peace with the occasional scuffle. Over the years I imagine guardsmen trying to dislodge these organizations and failing for one reason or another, Hailfall is their turf, they don’t expand, the Guard leaves them alone. A good deal that some idiots ignore. I also imagine the Waterfall side being Undyne’s birthplace, as growing up with long-warped tales of Bran the Brawler would easy shape her early mindset.

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@melissaquinn1463 this is a great idea for Undertale orange it seems totally natural by the way the area is outside. The main path would have their own police force.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaa-b6w]

About S.O.U.L., I think this is a really bad idea for monsterkind because it essentially goes against the entire idea of what the royal guard is. Not only is this not keeping any peace, it is actively disrupting it. Taking innocent monsters is going to scar them for life, and cause panic across all of monster kind, as they would fear that they may actually get a human soul and cause another war, on top of the war between S.O.U.L. and regular monsters. On top of that, there is so many ways it could turn wrong. Like, sure you could say "capture not kill", but the royal guard, thinking it's real, wouldn't like this idea. Someone may go rogue. Or one of the innocent monsters that S.O.U.L. takes may fight back in self defense. Or regular civilian monsters, upon seeing a S.O.U.L. member, may gang up on said member. This would result in a fight where one of them would have to lose. On top of this, keeping the secret between dozens of people (Undyne, Asgore, Alphys, all of S.O.U.L) is going to be hard and considering how this idea is already bound to be a disaster, there is a good chance that one of these people decide that enough is enough and go public with their story. At that point, what do you do? Take them out of the picture so word doesn't spread? That isn't very "keeping the peace" of you. If word spreads, this will literally cause a mass uprising against the royal guard for them causing harm for no reason except to train their warriors, and make it so no one would ever want to be part of this. On top of the fact that some monsters may start agreeing with S.O.U.L. and start doing these acts themselves. At that point it'd be difficult to tell what is real and what is fake. Essentially, this idea would hurt everyone and cause the Royal Guard to defeat its purpose. Also, the biggest question is: WHO would even go along with this? If Undyne pitches this idea to Asgore, he is going to do everything in his power to prevent her from doing this, and so would Alphys. A large portion of monsters wouldn't want to suffer from being portrayed as criminals and also being forced to actually do crimes, either. So even if this idea wouldn't burn in flames, it wouldn't be a realistically doable idea.

[@predatitor4183]

In others worlds, perhaps distrub a perfect peace and cause the people questioning the status quo itsnt the best.

[@Ruinbornaftonalwayscomesback]

Temmies for the Royal Guard as living shields

[@ycsawampfpycs2007]

ty all for the FA! i dont really do commisions because i have never considered it basically at all. Was not prepared, idunno about it anyway i went on a tangent there didnt i

[@fnafmateus252]

How to make the royal guard invincible in 2 simple steps: 1: put an amalgamate guarding the exit of the ruins. 2: w i n

[@miniwhiffy3465]

papyrus isn't part of the guard sans is. 2:35 SANS IS RIGHT THERE

[@Dragon_Aoi]

Yeah. Sans legit works foe Undyne (well, works in his weird Sans way); Paps hasn't been let in the RG yet. Tbf on the video poster; I think people differentiate Sans being a royal sentry as not being in the Royal Guard. Though I do think there is evidence that the royal sentries are still part of the Royal Guard. Hence why he didn't include Sans with Undyne as Royal Guard members who put up a fight against you in the Geno route. Even though he does put up a fight, and is (imo) apart of the RG (in some way).

[@miniwhiffy3465]

@@Dragon_Aoi the royal sentries are part of the guard, all the dogs are "royal sentries" doggo especially seeing he's doing what sans does and just sitting in his sentry station.

[@dakotacornish6616]

To be honest this fixes one of the few things i feel like bothers me with undertale. The fact that papyrus isnt let into the royal guard despite deserving it. This issue is mainly because the royal guard is just as much if not more of a push over then papyrus.

[@Dragon_Aoi]

I don't think Paps would be able to rec. the human (at least not right away). He needed Sans to help him clarify Frisk was a human. And a lot of monsters don't even rec. humans. Right away or at all basically. Monsters like Toriel, Sans, Asgore, etc. can tell. But others, not really. Still a nice video though.

[@MollyC-uh5pv]

Papyrus isn’t actually that gullible, and at the very least he should know doggo’s weakness and be able to put two and two together and figure out doggo just can’t see Frisk

[@someone8206]

Another suggestion: there should be a 'code red' for when a genocidal human falls into the underground; every elite member of the royal guard is assigned a soul to absorb that complements their skill. Undyne should get the soul of BRAVERY (Undyne is already ridiculously brave, the soul will multiply that ten-fold) Papyrus the souls of JUSTICE (Paps is too kind, he needs a sense of justice) Asgore the soul of PERSERVERENCE (Asgore is suicidal, bro needs to perservere) Knight Knight the soul of PATIENCE (he's already patient, but imagine a knight that is so patient that you can't break him) Muffet the soul of KINDNESS (she needs to be kinder, she is too mean to everyone) Madjik the soul of INTEGRITY (they should use magic ONLY for the good, it's a good idea to make them integrous)

[@realp3899]

Interesting concept!

[@Thatorangejuiceguy118]

Since you did every undertale and deltarune character can you do one for undertale yellow

[@littlebabyman8494]

6:06 I’m gonna guess that this is merely for speculation’s sake and the good ideas and is not based in the game because… Papyrus isn’t in the royal guard.

[@wendidreemurr]

Unrelated but I just checked my gaming recap for youtube, i'm in the top 0.1% of Kustopia viewers and watched 33x more than the average viewer 🎉🎉🎉

[@predatitor4183]

The best way to improve the royal war: recruit the Mad Dummy, he can mantain the human FOREVER or until asgore wakes up to defeat the treath forever, it probably dont arrive at time before the human advanced in the land but dont enough to cause an genocide route or more than tweny death monsters.

[@t.dmattocks6119]

I would love follow up using the scrapped and fan game chars! Also maybe Mad Mew Mew if you think she has become stable enough to be a guard.

[@DogIsCat-Kitten]

“Undertale’s a good game, hot take I know.” THAT IS NOT A HOT TAKE THAT IS TRUE.

[@monkegaming5091]

1:56 papyrus is only one who actually does royal guards job aka capturing the human

[@MIKE-i8c7k]

The third idea sounds like story shift reboot Solar Warriors

[@MB18476]

Here before thus blows up!❤

[@mrstickmantas]

Same

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@MB18476 definitely wanna get here before it blows up and there’s too many things to talk about because this was an awesome video

[@Ajdin_1103]

How about Alphy's just makes strong robots?

[@jordanator7199]

10:48 Average military recruitment strategy lol

[@Inquisitor-fortheempire]

bro made a whole different game

[@Mehsomeguy]

I feel like the idea of S.O.U.L realistically wouldn’t work as normal civilians would attack them. Instead, just don’t have a royal guard. Every living thing can be beaten. But a giant wall with a mettaton-like (invulnerable) robot to capture or kill humans and allow safe entryway to monsters would be a good plan.

[@calebdemosthene284]

7:24 crazy how the mercenaries mettaton hires could beat most of the royal guard by themselfs.

[@rianthreeden]

The SOUL idea is perfect, it would if been really cool lore building wise.

[@jatarokemuri5443]

The issue with Muffet is that her enough payment wouldn’t be reachable. She’s a saleswoman that runs on intimidation and fear. Also, she’s canonically cannibalistic, with her opinions of Alphys in genocide. Keep her outta the authority of Hotland, she doesn’t have the morality of the og 8

[@SansINess53]

Make what if sans does a genocide route. (How would it go? With sans' immense intelligence and unfair attacks, I wanna see how it would work in a what if.)

[@FireLeaf-y2p]

like dusttale?

[@SansINess53]

@FireLeaf-y2p yeah but I wanna see.

[@Kowery105]

He could do well if he goes Ruins? All common monsters die easily and Toriel is very likely to get betrayed attacked because she trust Sans Snowdin? Same thing - even including the dogs , Papyrus would also get betrayed attacked like Toriel Waterfall? Same like always except the main threat - Undyne , way too much HP for Sans to deal with this one kill is left for the LV1 Human Hotland? All the LOVE Sans gained would make him strongt enought to deal with enemies here, except Mettaton avoid him his NEO form has 30000 HP CORE? Sans is strongth enought to deal with CORE mercenaries at this point and we leave Mettaton NEO for the LV10 human (Yes LOVE 10 , that how much Undyne the Undying gives EXP) No monster we know of in the capital so skip for now Asgore is spared because Sans is still to weak to deal with him even with a betreyal attack So in the judgemnt hall... Frisk with 11500 EXP would be... LOVE 16 with only 2 kills... wow Sans with 11974 EXP (This is the best case Scenario for Sans, this assume max possible EXP to get in every single area so 22 LOXES , 19 Glydes and Snowdrake , 21 Aarons , 49 CORE Monsters and Minibosses along the way) would be... also LOVE 16, huh So Sans stats would be - 61 HP , 31 attack and 4 Defense... dam

[@neopolitanrwby7947]

Napstablook works as a policeman in Deltarune, maybe he'd be keen on becoming a royal guard ?

[@Lifetheory455]

Hey can u make another Undertale roblox rp video about u explaining ur childhood

[@aethous9163]

What Undyne should have definitely used, is Alphys intelligence to improve Royal Guard. Make robot guardsmen (like Axis from Yellow), create a better weapon to use. Heck, they both into anime, create a whole mecha to fight humans, but don't put Mettaton in it, it would make things worse. We know Alphys was busy with experiments on determination, but she already knew it would be pointless

[@yukiinesenpai1457]

It would be great to see an au with these ideas, and that person won't be me, because I'm lazy

[@HeatherSmith-m3w]

Sans, papyrus and doggo would go crazy

[@kodawanberg6887]

I disagree with S.O.U.L. Make S.O.U.L. real and Flowey's the leader (Group's alias is the Flowey Fan Club) And if that doesn't work Muffet's the leader then idk

[@blazie42069]

if papyrus didn’t hold back he’s probably the strongest monster in the underground apart from flowey, even undyne says he’s really tough and she struggled to beat asgore

[@Dragon_Aoi]

Paps is strong, but there are other stronger monsters than him besides Flowey. Like Asgore, and Sans and Undyne imo.

[@dakotacornish6616]

Flowey isnt strong at all without there save power. There just really smart kinda like sans

[@Mr.Yeast2]

​​@@Dragon_Aoi I don't think Sans actually would beat Papyrus if they actually had to fight, Sans still does one damage, and Papyrus hasn't gained much negative karma

[@elliecassar1881]

i think someone else whod find out about s.o.u.l. is flowey because hes actually quite smart imo and does stalk the human so wouldnt he stalk other people too? what else would he do in the underground anyway considering he gets bored easily and finds violence amusing? and maybe nobody else knows he knows the s.o.u.l. is fake but he does and if s.o.u.l. tries to mess with him for some reason likely bc hes a weak flower he actually beats them up and they dont try to attack him again bc he does have vines and can probably use skilled bullet patterns if he wants to edit: and i just realised, with flowey knowing s.o.u.l. is fake thatd be put to good use for the player/frisk in the genocide route because flowey might say that s.o.u.l. is just fake so theyd actually be no help in freeing frisk as they might think bc theyre disguised as just rebels

[@NotLancer2018]

Royal Guards, I remember you’re incompetence

[@محمدحسيندفعاللهاحمد]

Man you should make mod of this ideas

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@محمدحسيندفعاللهاحمد I think this idea could easily be utilized in a fan game

[@Leader_plum45]

Isn’t sans half a royal guard?

[@DAGUNDERFELL]

some ideas for my game lol

[@flyingtoasterstroodle2386]

Instead of soul they could literally just have training camps. I feel like soul would backfire real quick. On both sides.

[@abdillahahmad7025]

Sounds good until someone breaks the NDA. Also is that Insaniquarium sfx?

[@LeavanDragon]

This video makes realize how weird it is that Asgore did not make a system of mandatory system of military or self defense training for monsters. Given the desire to be free, and his anger after losing his chara and Asriel, I'm suprised he didn't use the resentment of humans to rouse the poepke to become militarized or atleast more open to fighting. And its not like the game itself doesnt imply the monsters dont have this underlying frustration, as they follow Undyne in militarization in a nuetral ending. While your ideas are good, I doubt they could truly be effective unless Asgore had taken serious advancements(starting with prior generations) towards bridging the gap between human and monster souls, which he'd be the baseline for. An organization like S.O.U.L honestly shouldve formed generations ago, being used to maintain public sentiment in increasing monster soul power, as well as keep the royal guard ethused about their job. Naturally there'd need to be a more calm focus on keeping quality of life high and societal unity high. I think the canon underground in the game is very much a product of Asgore being too soft and short sighted in his vision. With any of your plans, especially an initiative like SOUL, i imagine monsters wouldve increased their determination over the generations and possibly more determined to increase their numbers. It probably wouldve helped to ensure the determination experiments had less casualties and more successes similar to Undyne in the genocide route. Ultimately this video makes me see even more how that existential dread of being trapped really hurt monsterkind and probably made them weaker than their wartime ancestors. Not every monster can be a boss monster, but imagine how much work couldve been done to get them close or equal in a augmented way.

[@koopakid4239]

Honestly I think idea 3 would be pretty cool if ts underswap has anything to say

[@mettaton1669]

You forget one massive detail on the Mettaton side of things. The point that he would never join is obvious, but his self centered nature, general personality, and Undyne's low opinion of him are not the only reasons. Mettaton pretty much disagrees with everything the Royal Gaurd stands for. Fighting humans and contributing to Asgore's plans of war on humanity once they reach the surface would definitely be more than enough for Mettaton to avoid any and all association. As for Muffet, as much of an asset to the group she might be, she's basically one step away from being a criminal herself. She doesn’t care about anyone or anything other than her wealth and fellow spiders. This lack of passion and interest to actually want to play the hero role would more likely than not make Undyne dislike her far more than the captain ever hated MTT.

[@ofekma12345]

The only problem I have with your last idea is what if the fake idealogy is a little TOO convincing. What if a bunch of people will go "hell yeah why SHOULD we wait for the last human to fall?!"

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@ofekma12345 absolutely agree

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@ofekma12345 The whole issue of S.O.U.L sounds like a CIAsubop and if attempted in regular Undertale, it sounds like a good go really wrong. Maybe it would be something that an AU version of Asgore would utilize but there are so many huge problems with like the monster version of the CIA, constantly supplying and supporting the fake resistance group and having many of its top leaders, be double agents with some battles being highly planned events, while others being less anticipated the issue, though of people truly joining these organizations S.O.U.L is a legitimate concern as well as perhaps someone inspired by them choosing to form their own branch or similar or organization that isn’t Royal guard secretly controlled (yes, I am looking at you, Jerry) good example of this could be if someone witnesses the fake S.O.U.L propaganda and concludes that their statements about needing to go to the surface now are correct and sign up. Some people could simply do it to be rebellious like snowdrake or perhaps for socialization reasons such as many of their friends being involved in S.O.U.L on the other hand, there’s the issue of Alf‘s or Chujin building robots to fill out the ranks of S.O.U.L to deal with these problems the real issue would be if these robots are designed to look like normal monsters or obviously be robots. If so, would there be a fake scientist to officially created them or would one of the real underground scientists pretend to have joined the organization. on the other hand with the robots know they were undercover or would their programming truly make them think they were fighting for S.O.U.L there would probably be a program that prevented them from telling people that that it was fake who didn’t already know or didn’t have authorization? because robots fighting for a terrorist organization they don’t know is not real, and have no background beforehand would be dangerous. either way, unless the monster version of the CIA has a high level of official royal guard infiltrators in the top positions as well as them having informant in the lower positions, this could easily evolve into a true civil war I still think it’s a good idea, though, as it would definitely improve confidence, and even in such a case, they could all unite against and invading human incursion, much more effectively

[@INLIGHTOFHISTORTYANDOTHE-px7mf]

One of the main issues is this let’s just say for a theoretical example that Someone were to begin producing fake propaganda for a fake terrorist organization. What if cells began to form that were totally independent from the fake group that we’re fighting for the cause for real because they believed it was real Or what if theoretically, the Royal scientist or Chujin(perhaps assigned to pretend to defect to the group )either intentionally or accidentally produced robots that were dedicated to fighting for S.O.U.L as a primary directive, even if they did know, it was fake, but were programmed to not be able to tell anyone who didn’t already know this would create huge issues for the robots and what to do with them after the liberation come to think about it just enlist them into the royal guard Battle experience robots sounds awesome On the other hand, I could easily see someone like say Snowdrake joining S.O.U.L to “stick it to the man” potentially being additionally motivated by finding out what happened to his mom as well And if the true believers of the propaganda S.O.U.L ever gained enough strength, then it could potentially lead to a monster civil war, which in order to prevent that reality of a monster Civil War it would in fact require an intense underground intelligence operation, probably by the fake members of S.O.U.L trying to ensure that they true believers were placated and kept off on small things to prevent them from becoming a real threat

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

There’s also a chance Toriel may hear about the news from sans or others and support S.O.U.L. if she is fed up enough with Asgore and decides to leave The Ruins. If this happens Asgore is probably getting his fluffybuns overthrown as an army of actual people decide to actually put that goal to fruition. Toriel still carries significance in the Underground and I don’t think anyone including Asgore could stop her if she is determined enough to pill through with the plan.

[@Inlightofhistory-rl4ve]

@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 that would be the ultimate backfire on this entire plan if some actual figure with capacity to mobilize large amount of people independently joined S.O.U.L

[@Randomperson-yr3gp]

Cool video

[@32th]

S. O. U. L. would get taken over by Flowey immediately and this "fake" group would have it's motivations turn real very quickly. With an entire terrorist organization behind him, Flowey might have a chance at actually obtaining the human souls... which is probably why all the timelines where S. O. U. L. is real got destroyed by Asriel going nuts with power

[@Universe-Truth202]

May I use this idea into a actual mod? I love it and want to make it real

[@Kustopia]

@@Universe-Truth202 Of course! Go for it!

[@Universe-Truth202]

@Kustopia Alright bet! I will tag you for the idea and send it when it is finished

[@UfukerenPolat-o8h]

İ mean sans is lazy yeah but if he train and gets more atk point Maybe he can deal more damage with karma like 3 deal damage in second or even more train and 10 damage in every second İt would be strong but he is lazybone sadly maybe he can teach karma to other monster too İdk

[@Webs-b3g]

to be fair the S.O.U.L monsters do have a good point- huh? was it something I sai- (royal guard/ S.O.U.L member attack) AAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

[@QSBraWQ]

5:05 I think sans should be paired with papyrus

[@vimies5746]

I dont know, having the S.O.U.L. monsters being led by Toriel is far too much of a missed opportunity that would allow both Toriel and Asgore to actually have a role in the story.

[@vincentlorenz4480]

Yaaaaaaaaa

[@JacksunLarsen]

What if S.O.U.L themselves didn't know it was didn't know it was fake and only the leader of SOUL would know like Undyne, heck maybe the leader of SOUL could just be a cloned soul in a robot body that would be made using some of Madjick's magic to make a clone soul then determination could be injectected into the clone soul which would be given a robot body and Madjick would just think it was for a fun science project that went wrong resulting in SOUL!

[@JacksunLarsen]

I said, "Didn't know it was" twice on accident, oops.

[@Ligmaत्यो]

The royal guard is why i died most of the times i died (96% of the times to sans ngl took me like 30 tries) all the other pretty weak

[@tonyb-md5ko]

His spear is his partner

[@predatitor4183]

S.O.U.L sounds like what a facist society would do.

[@Spiralredd]

Martlet should have been mentioned

[@StinaBunnyLove]

2:03, 2:11

[@Spiralredd]

@StinaBunnyLove oh missed that part

[@devinnutsch4085]

Honest, I can see all three if asgore had the motivation not hiring muffit full time at the very least manly do for her try to change the contract up to muck personal. In a none undertale hardmode no but I cam see this In a frisk name undertale for normal/pasict till you get to three why that prone wrong by the human. And then there genioced to consider it help with putting into our actions whine a terrorist group is helping the other side even thow you know the truth.

[@idioticlight]

Get real guns

[@adamjameslawson2681]

Papyrus could literally sold the entire guard except undyne and he isn’t in the guard yet

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

Eeh? He could solo the Canine Unit for sure but I think the Hotland Duo might give him a hard time. Also if you consider UTY as canon then there's no shot he could take down Martlet or Red.

[@Kowery105]

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Ehhh Marlet outside of Genoncide is weaker than Papyrus She would get defeared and escape

[@isaiahperez5719]

*woosh*