KW Suspension VS BC Racing Coilovers... Which one to buy?

[@Dragon228833]

The video starts at 4:01

[@fruitydudexD]

mvp

[@gtastuntcrew302]

To title a video "KW Suspension VS BC Racing Coilovers... Which one to buy?" then make the first 4 minutes about headlight restoration?

[@talkingmods]

Sorry Ross, we were doing a dual subject video, but Ray who edits felt the KW Vs BC was the more important topic. Hopefully you enjoyed both?

[@gtastuntcrew302]

@@talkingmods it's all good, I would just recommend structuring either the title or the video differently is all. I think it would help people receive your content in a better way. It seems very clickbaity.

[@BVonBuescher]

@@talkingmods Way to showcase those leadership skills by pushing responsibility and accountability on a wage worker. If I have any warranty issues I’ll just hit up Ray, since season hes the one one running shit down there apparently 😂

[@sakuraFC3S]

I purchased BC coils for my E36 almost 8 years ago and still going strong. I mostly use that car as my stanced ride. I bought a G30 a few years ago, but this time I'm going with KW. Mostly because of the engineering philosophy. I wanted the E36 to just be a slammed, weekend warrior, while the G30 is more of a performance Daily Driver. For anyone saying BC Coils are crap, they are just riding name brand.

[@talkingmods]

Love that you literally have your own review - different generations of BMW but yeah BC is not definitely not crap.

[@imnota]

Most reasonable take on this they have different price points and purposes and both have their places in their own style of builds.

[@donaldlin586]

In my opinion, it depends. Racetracks are much smoother. So, spring rates are more important. However, public roads are unpredictable. So, damping is much more important. Good damping is MUCH MUCH more expensive(complicated) than stiffer springs!!!

[@colbyscott9822]

How can you have a comparison video for coilovers and not even mention performance or ride characteristics?

[@JWsGarage]

Yep it will work a couple days is right! Only fix is clear coating in high UV clear.

[@mfitze1]

From my experience, if you live anywhere with rough roads (i live in Boston), and you care about ride quality at all, or daily your car, skip the BC BR's. ive had a set with swift springs on my Golf R for about a year. They've held up fine, but ride like hot dogshit. Just upgraded to Ohlins road and track. Definitely worth spending a bit more the first time.

[@talkingmods]

Well yeah I think maybe I talk about it on other suspension videos, but you do get what you pay for, going the ohlins Route is just not in everyone budget but heck yeah worth it, i love them, just some people maybe aren't as enthusiastic about suspension? I talk about swift it's a linear spring has no business being on a street car, it's a bit of marketing they have successfully infiltrated the enthusiast culture with misinformation unfortunately. Appreciate the feedback!

[@marcjones744]

KW only makes v1 for my acura, so i guess im going BC... At least I can be confident that BC is a good product. Thanks for the video

[@that_biker_boy5550]

Mate, if it helps give you peace of mind I’ve had 3x sets of BC BR coilovers on three different cars over the years and loved them every single time! No matter which brand you choose, I cannot recommend getting them setup by a real professional enough! The difference of the same coilovers setup wrong Vs right is night & day difference! I’d love to try some KW V3’s on my current car, but I’m struggling to justify the extra cost to myself in all honesty… Although I’ve never owned any KW’s, and can’t be sure I’d be impressed or dissapointed... It would need to be V3’s if I did and I’m wary that it’s a lot of extra money to sink into suspension to suddenly realise you prefer the BC’s you’ve had and run before. For a light weight 1000-1200kg, 400bhp street car, I ran my BC’s on fully soft to make them a little more relaxed, enough for our awful quality UK roads and it was perfect! Despite being really quite low ride height wise!👌 Some people make the mistake of going really really low (which the shock can support), which seems to be the trendy style in the car scene still, then because they can’t afford much body movement afterwards (due to clearance issues) they put the coilovers on their max stiffness… I’ll tell you straight, BC’s on max stiffness, on a relatively light car allows you to get almost zero body movement… Great for that ‘look’, but expect the car to take bumps and potholes like you have no suspension at all! At this point you might as well have scaffolding poles are your shocks instead! You feel everything and rightfully so! I’ve never had BC’s on a heavy car though (who might have the extra weight to run max stiffness) only really light, fast cars tbh. Obviously on heavier cars you probably wouldn’t want to run fully soft I’d imagine! People sometimes Bash ‘BC’ purely because KW is more expensive and people feel reassured that greater cost = greater quality and in the car scene, a lot of people built cars to show an exuberance in style and wealth.. It’s cool that the car scene loves KW, but BC is truly a great brand, with epic coilovers and a price point that should not be ignored! Their (BC) suspension is decent! And I’ve owned them multiple times on different road/track vehicles.👌 Personally, from experience… I don’t think many people would be disappointed with BC coilovers. 👍 This is just an honest opinion of someone who has actually owned and done thousands of miles with BC products, yet has no affiliation or loyalty to either brand. Regardless of your choice! Enjoy driving ✌️

[@zoden6305]

@@that_biker_boy5550did you notice a difference in ride quality between your bc racing coil overs and stock Coilovers? I was looking into KW V2 for my Audi TT but now I’m looking more towards bc racing just because of my budget and I would like to go and have track days here and there but ultimately I would love to still keep(or maybe upgrade) my ride quality better than my stock while still being able to handle some track days.

[@OliverRivettCarnac]

I am on my second set of front coilovers (at my own cost) from BC now and had used them on a previous car (2005 Impreza STi) and I can not in good faith recommend them as a product. Initially they performed great but they really lack in reliability, build quality and also their support is hopeless. On my 2012 EVO X they clunk, bind and the ride quality has degraded significantly after just a few thousand kilometers of mostly street use. At this point I may as well have saved up the extra cash and opted for a set of Ohlins or KWV3's and had a better experience. Personally I would say rather save up and buy a higher quality product as you are going to pay for going the cheaper route in the long run.

[@CPE-j1u]

It would be great to compare KW with RS-R. I made 60K with my RS-R's and I'm so, so satisfied... Now, I'm waiting for my new BRZ-tS and I'll go for RS-R once again.

[@christianschmidt1207]

I drove 240000 Kilometers with my KW V3 in 7 years in my daily and never got an issue. Even in Winter.

[@damians8498]

Have the v3 in my m850 and it was big improvement over stock but still too soft a spring for the weight of the car. BC now has the DS series available with swift springs. Not sure if this is a downgrade but the stiffer linear springs seem better fitted for the car.

[@talkingmods]

Hmm you could probably get swift to make you springs for your V3 actually if you think you need a stiffer spring, to save you money. I would recommend speaking with them

[@roncolago2213]

Hi my name is RON and I would like to ask for advice on which coilovers is good and give the best ride for my 2017 BMW X4 m40i. Im in NY and mostly daily driving. The roads here are really not so nice with a lot of holes and bumps. Im choosing between the BC RACING BR or the KW V2. Which would you recommend me to buy? ty

[@HAULUUZ]

Can BC Coilovers be rebuilt?

[@aarondyess4884]

PBM is da way

[@davidcoppock3017]

enjoyed your video on KW V2 vs. BC coilers. Question: my family vehicle is a 2020 X5 with M sport package on the 22" wheels and performance brake calipers. I've ordered (back ordered) H&R sport springs to lower ride height 1.4 inches and 11mm spacers...it is totally a street vehicle so looking to improve the stance and optimize the ride quality without harshness-should I consider the K&W V2 coilover instead? other than price difference is there benefit in your opinion to going to the KW V2? Thanks

[@talkingmods]

Hi David, thanks for watching. First off congrats on the X5 (great SUV, top marks but CR) So I talk a bit more about suspension here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a37GlaB5rt2teck Point being is you get what you pay for right. I'll give you my quick 2 cents on it: if it's within your budget and can afford it then, YES go with the KW's. The H&R's are honestly going to be harsher (they are sport, so they will feel slightly sportier then the Msport, and you will definitely feel it) that doesn't mean it's going be more compliant/comfortable, if anything it will also wear down the shock life quicker over time on the X5. Keep in mind if you are paying for install on the H&R's it's about the same cost as installing the coilovers as well. Hope this helps, and if we can help with the purchase if you change suspension, happy to do so here at ModBargains 714.582.3330 [e-mail]

[@davidcoppock3017]

@@talkingmods much appreciated on your reply...exactly the candor I was seeking. I will reach out via email for KWs. Thank you!

[@sydewayzmo3905]

DIY with a 2x (2 part w epoxy) best clear Uber ever used!

[@robertfontaine3650]

Trying to find shock dyno charts and spring rates on these kits is way to difficult. Many of the cheap kits look great but the shock dynos are terrible. I wish more would design around quality OEM dampers if they cannot deliver good performance at the lower cost. Performance always gets skipped over in favor of can you slam them.

[@talkingmods]

Highly agree with you, one of the few company's that I know that designs aroudn the OEM dampers for their shock dyno is MSS. Have I seen any of these companies release their shock dyno information to the public almost never honestly. If you watch on the ModBargains channel I believe its when I toured KW and was in their race division area - you can see the shock dyno on the screen for each individual shock they build out.

[@onderyetiskin]

thank you, i was tired looking forum on internet :)

[@MKRN98]

I used BC Coilovers on my 335xi until spring this year. After a year of using them I had to take them out. Unfortunately, I can't recommend them. I don't know if that's a platform issue or what but the ride quality on these was horrible. Quality of these is not great either. Shocks wore out too quick, after 6 months of using them I was experiencing symptoms of blown shocks. Initially the car was stiffer, handled nicely but that was gone way too soon. I've changed to OE shocks and lowering springs and the ride was better than on BC's but now my rear end is bouncing and the front is crashing on bumps so I've finally ordered KW V1. I've only heard good things about them and they are German brand so the quality will definitely be there. Hope I'm not wrong.

[@talkingmods]

interesting experience, feel free to update us with your experience on the V1 - this could very well be an XI specific platform. the XI is honestly one of the more neglected areas of the BMW modification scene so I always feel like it's the stepchild in development by these companies.

[@DKK]

ThAts because they’re crap

[@FrankT1985]

I have a set of KW Variant 3 on a 2010 Camaro. The front struts have to be adjusted to one click from full hard to keep the car from bottoming out. The rear shocks are leaking. I have only put 5K miles on them. KW will not warranty them, only rebuild at 300 dollars each shock and strut. No thanks. KW products are junk.

[@talkingmods]

This is a first I am hearing of them not covering warranty. Highly recommend you contacting your KW authorized dealer you got it from, as they should be able to get it warrantied for you.

[@mindaugelis21]

Mine kw v3 rear ones started to leak after 1000 miles

[@talkingmods]

Really? have you contacted your retailer or KW to replace and see what happened, they are usually amazing about getting it replaced.

[@mindaugelis21]

@@talkingmods yes and it was out off warranty, two monts to late for limited warranty

[@adrianc7372]

I want a lower ride about 1.5 to 2 inches max but am looking to not sacrifice comfort too much. So which one is more comfortable in terms of ride quality and absorbing the bumps?

[@talkingmods]

Hi Adrian, the next question thats going to come up is what is your budget? Is this for daily street driving or track driving? If you want the team here at ModBargains can help out further (can give them a call at 714.582.3330 or email [e-mail] )

[@adrianc7372]

Unlimited budget

[@Gearsandco]

I had the V1 on my BMW F30 328I now, is it fine if I go with BC racing BR on my B9 A4 without noticing drop in performance or quality?

[@TheCeoShow_]

How do you like the V1 on the F30?

[@Gearsandco]

@@TheCeoShow_ they were amazing, the car handles really well

[@TheCeoShow_]

@@Gearsandco nice. I get mine next week!

[@chrisginoc]

Just bought a new Supra 6MT and was going to go with some HAS HKS Springs, but just found out about BC. They offer a $1,050 coilover set for Supras from BC. Would you recommend for just normal street, weekend driving maybe some canyons and small stuff?

[@MrJonezzzz]

You can also look up ST coilovers, they are made by KW, but are cheaper :)

[@chrisginoc]

@@MrJonezzzz I did but zero forum experience or reviews on the ST. They look good but not sure if I'm up to experiment. The HKS springs or others seem more in use. Have you tried the STs?

[@MrJonezzzz]

@@chrisginoc I just recived ST XA for my g30, but they are not on the car yet. From what i have read, it is the same coilovers as kw uses, but kw's are made of stainless steel. I think people choose HKS springs to keep their adaptive suspension .

[@talkingmods]

Sorry late to this discussion. BC's are great option, with the HAS springs it's to retain the use of the factory shocks, while being adjustable, also if the vehicle has EDC it's not needing to code it out why some people opt and prefer that as well. They are good, the ST's are good option as mentioned as well if you are in non snow weather condition ( where the roads are not salted) reason for the price difference is they are galvanized steel instead of stainless steel. Galvanized steel will rust. Feel free to hit up our guys here at ModBargains or might even get me 714.582.3330 if you haven't already purchased.

[@DKK]

BC are utter crap

[@bimmerlife5452]

great video

[@talkingmods]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@naggersdie]

Does anyone actually cross-shop these? If i was looking at BC's id be cross-shopping Raceland or CX Racing. KW is on the same level as H&R/Bilstein or even the Road & Track Ohlins.

[@talkingmods]

Yeah often cross shopped , comes down to budgets right. I would never recommend Raceland or CX racing (one of those real garbage brand that we have witnessed first hand breaking on cars). KW vs H&R/Bilstein just matter what we are comparing V1's, vs H&R, pss10 or b16 vs V3, are we looking at clubsport or v4 or v5 - end of day you get what you pay for for the most part. There are some great gems in there, and I 've found BC's to be a remarkable value for what one pays over the years.

[@sakuraFC3S]

@@talkingmods I totally agree. I've seen racelands first hand and they are extremely poor quality. I understand everyone has a certain budget, but these things are super dangerous.

[@Kirtvall]

Ohlins is next level

[@scarabperformance]

BC vs KW is like shooting a bullet and throwing one. $1000 coilovers have been proven to be lacking in build quality, material quality and overall comfort. This was not an honest comparison because you are trying to be too unbiased. But I am sorry it is not honest. The KW's will ride better, they use better materials, and they will have superior longevity over BC budget coilovers. The only thing that BC has over KW is it can drop the car more than KW. Well that is great lets sacrifice your suspension bushing and driveablity. People don't think... they just want a "look" but lowering a car too much will make it drive like crap. Not to mention all the things you have to do in order to achieve that level of drop from stretched tires, rolling fenders, camber adjustment arms, and removing liners... you just open a whole can of worms that people don't consider. Especially when its a daily driver. Yeah the BC engineers are way smarter than the Volvo, Mercedes, BMW or Honda engineers that they magically built a suspension that cost a fraction of what the stock suspension cost. Flat surfaces and on a track the BC would probably be fine for a lot of cars but not for longevity and daily driving. This was a terrible review because lets think about this for a second. At a 1000 bucks your telling me literally 500 bucks goes into building my coilovers that I am going to slap on my German car? You have material cost, labor, shipping all that considered how cheap are the materials to build these things? This is what you call "Rice" when you cheap out and install stuff like this on more luxury performance cars. Do your next video on Megan Racing Coilovers (if they are still around) vs Ohlin's LOL

[@talkingmods]

First off love your comment, I also always say you get what you pay for. But I did say you get a lot of value from BC. So let me address some of your points: Material quality, is literally the same, stainless steel , most of the materials are on par. In terms of strength etc, what material are you referring to that is that much different. Build quality, I've personally owned both, our shop has installed thousands of both brands, have had customers report thousands of times on both, no lack of quality so where is the quality difference coming from? 'superior longevity' is there any quantitively numbers that you have, from our data and what I have seen, less then 1% of issues, both companies will rebuild their products as well for their customers. Lower is worse, funny KW's claim to fame when they came on the scene was that they could go lower then Bilstein and others, does that mean they were inferior? But the more research you do you'll find that per vehicle it's very different, yes BC's offers some more aggressive lowering(they call them superdown but those are for certain customers). Do I or even BC or KW ever recommend to go to the lowest settings, nope none of them do, because of all the issues you described. But everyone has a choice on how they want to setup their vehicle and to take on all those additional issues as they wish. I am personally actually closer to KW, have been to their plant in Germany (here you go, Episode 4 and 5, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKqloHiQfqiZqJY) Now my personal thoughts are the following - the shock dyno testing and build of KW 's is world class, they build a great product. Pricing is good, and their pricing is indicative of how it goes when they have to work out of Germany and there are salaries. Do I think we should bash BC, nope not at all they have less costs coming out of Taiwan, but they also have a great product, and they are able to come really close to KW at a fraction of the pricing. You pay more you get something better hopefully which in this case is there, but there is a law of diminishing returns of course. It's not huge difference between the two brands in terms of pricing but everyone is in a different financial situation. When I was asked that question, I let the person know both options, and honestly it's proven to be a classic case. So I have to give the pros and cons of it all, at the end of the day you get what you pay for, some more value then others, I hope I can shed light on that always for everyone. If you want to see other value budget coilovers I talk about it this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJrQppyDg7Gro6c As to Megan and Ohlins lol, thats not even a question, I/we (ModBagains) don't offer Megan racing because the quality is really subpar to what we will stand behind. I do hope that they improve into the future and I can evaluate them then. I am a huge fan of Ohlins btw :)

[@uklmngubane5661]

Bought the V3___after so much time spending on research!! think its actuialy abit better comparing BC vs St___Kw is on another level on its own: and if you looking to update suspension: rather save for months and get the best application for your build__have a friend with bc: its amazing on drift: but when doing strret driving: ay No! also bc far better then just a spring upgrade: at the end its all about your application and what works for you:

[@seandshelton9109]

Thank you for the video can you recommend any place near Tacoma Washington to get BC coilovers installed? Thank you

[@talkingmods]

Hi Sean, I don't personally know, I've started to ask around when I have someone I'll try to reply again. Thanks.

[@FELIPE8226M]

NW Autwork in Tacoma

[@mailmancoleoptere8732]

Ohlins

[@talkingmods]

oh yeah, ohlins is awesome...

[@brettpoynter7831]

Pro tip: Use Off Bug Spray on your headlights spray let it sit for 90 seconds then wipe off. You can thank me later.

[@talkingmods]

Great tip!

[@Everydayprojects365]

Sooo your saying bc is way better,I knew it lol “kw found the sweat spot” lmfao you can dial your ride height without sacrificing you ride quality that’s a no go for me.

[@DKK]

BC are crap

[@lexgoh5259]

Kw sucks. Leaks every 1-2 years. And when ever we go back to the dealers they asked us to replace the whole set.

[@devonforsure260]

Not sure about this, my shop recommends these over bilsteins which also have suffered immensely in quality over the years

[@trygotaim1880]

Bc doesn’t even come close to KW

[@talkingmods]

Well there are different price points, here and KW has exceptional build quality (that lifetime warranty is impressive). However higher end above the BR BC's are really some awesome suspension, gotta try like the ZR or ER setups they impress.

[@_hntr]

Well BC's are chinesium so...

[@Mathewmartialart]

you have 30 seconds to capture the viewer. yep gotacha so whats your plan well , im going to do a title video which everybody wants yep good then when you watch it yep.... you will have to suffer some 4 minutes about headlight restoration. ah whats ah did you fall asleep when we spoke nope, i heard you but thought fuck it i know better

[@mperformance3502]

Chinese coilovers made by Chinese kids vs German engineered coilovers

[@Fooyip]

Who cares? As long it is much cheaper but not much difference, be grateful can get cheaper suspensions. It doesn't mean they're much worse than kw.

[@Tonyyyy_666]

@@Fooyip Yeah i’m not cheaping out on parts man if i’m going to build a car i’m going to do it right i’ve had both and i’ll take KW any given day & i say that with respect

[@poonricky5310]

to be CLARIFIED, Taiwan is Taiwan, Chinese you mean CHINA, absolutely different in quality in all aspect

[@twp4ever]

Taiwan! Not china