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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@PortlandRose]

Twitter isn’t the new public square-closer to a new coliseum with spectators watching users tear each other apart.

[@Vano-ey3pb]

God tier take

[@CountScarlioni]

Spot on!

[@insightfulhistorian1861]

This is a great way of describing the belligerent Twitter vibe. People want to fight each other like rival sports fans.

[@lobotomizedamericans]

Exactly correct. Notice that the behavior you've described is the prevailing one in perverse *American culture* itself. That's what the mass-media (prior to the Internet, and even currently) has done to the American population over the last 100 years or so. Turned us into a rabid hive of political, historical, scientific, and economic illiteracy. What's left is to devour each other over trivialities. Just like the people who run the place *like it* and want it to *remain.*

[@tmc8195]

I want to make this comment a billboard

[@Shane-zl9ry]

If you listen to Sam's podcast, you'd know he's been sick of Twitter for years.

[@kevinphiggins]

If I listened to Sam’s podcast, I’d be narcoleptic. What an incredibly boring speaker.

[@Shane-zl9ry]

@@kevinphiggins It is nice to listen to before sleeping.

[@8beef4u]

@@kevinphiggins I listen to it because he talks about and with a lot of really interesting people about interesting ideas, albeit given in a deadpan way. But then again, I'm not listening to be entertained, I am to learn.

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

it's actually the algorithm and twitters fault sam attracts so many toxic right wingers LOL yeah no

[@myselftik]

There's just something about social media makes people spew unnecessarily vitriolic hate. Twitter is the worst case but KZbin comments section is not far behind.

[@ICavalcadeI]

19:42 he's not contradicting himself; he's explaining the difference between a private corporation's prerogative and what the government can mandate. He doesn't think the government should make it *illegal* to be a holocaust denier, but he does think that a platform should not be forced to host such ideas if they don't want to.

[@therealdonelaitis]

100%. The fact that Kyle doesn’t seem to grasp this is truly troubling given his audience size.

[@Darke_Exelbirth]

@@therealdonelaitis I don't think he didn't grasp it, I think he didn't catch the shift from government to private entity, and that's a problem with these "live react" videos where he keeps on pausing to say his piece. He really needs to just listen to a video in full first, maybe making notes about spots he had a criticism about, before going into a recording.

[@TheCanadianRob]

@@Darke_Exelbirth I just had the EXACT same thought and then read your comment. 100% agree

[@VaasMontenegro12]

@@Darke_Exelbirth Morally speaking, why should there be a distinction between a government entity and a private entity in this instance, on the subject of free speech? Especially seeing as with the technology of our modern world the digital space has become the place where the vast majority of human communication and interaction occurs. Why shouldn't we as a society CHOOSE and DECIDE to legally define the internet (or at least most of the biggest platforms on it) as the new digital public square, and therefore protect the free speech rights of the citizens of the digital world? Also as Kyle said, just because an entity is a corporation does not remove it from being bounded by laws and regulations. Just like both the government and corporations cannot dump toxic waste into rivers, and just like the police can't throw you behind bars for spouting Nazi ideology in the city square, neither should a company's "private internet police officers" AKA moderators, be able to ban you for spouting Nazi ideology on Twitter. The government has the authority to punish a private corporation if it tries to violate environmental protection laws. And the government could just as easily punish a private corporation if it bans users over protected speech, by simply passing a new digital free speech protection law.

[@eragon78]

@@SY-qg6qn Yea, to be fair, he does do a lot of work in covering a lot of topics. It would be hard to cover as much as he does if he had to fully research EVERY topic. But at the same time, it makes his takes much more reactionary rather than well informed. It leads to a lot of ignorance on his part. His political philosophy is pretty good for the most part, but not every take he has is a good take largely because he tends to be ignorant on a lot of subjects. This is much more apparent when it comes to more complicated topics too where its not as simple as applying a basic political philosophy to it to figure out a simple easy answer. So he really only ever gets the obvious easy answers right. Which is still good cuz common sense seems to be dead in society so having at least one big commentator with it does help. But for any of the more nuanced or complicated issues, he tends to miss a lot more often due to his ignorance and lack of research.

[@spindragon]

I appreciate Sam Harris's take on Twitter.. Especially his view of how it narrows our view of other people based on liking a tweet or a snide remark. It's a very limited form of communication and more of a distraction than a benefit...

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

big brain sam still can't wrap his brain around why he attracts so many scuffed right wingers, now that is impressive

[@K4R3N]

Exactly why I deleted my own Twitter and all other social media accounts 2 years ago. Dont miss any of it for even a minute

[@rationalbushcraft]

And here is the thing. If you ignore the replies so you don't get butthurt then you also miss the replies that caused you real harm like the tweets that Elon did calling the guy who was trying to save the children in the cave a CM. That is libel that can and likely will cause real financial harm. No you can't let Alex Jones back on because then you become the platform that gave a guy a voice that you know has committed slander in the past and been unrepentant about his crime. Harris is right in that you can't be a free speech absolutist. Not if you want to be in the safe harbor of section 230. It is not just that Twitter is a private company it is that the law makes it clear that you can't allow your customers to violate certain laws like copyright and calls to violence.

[@keksi6844]

Same Sam Harris that takes verses out of Quran and misrepresents them talks about how Twitter is not proper form of communication. What a FRAUD.

[@spindragon]

@@keksi6844 Doesn't change the truth in his statement...

[@JL-fg2vk]

Not seeing how he contradicted himself at all. Twitter is privately owned, telling the platform they must permit all user free speech violates the rights of the owner. If Twtter is the new public square where free speech of the user is paramount, then you have to change the law or the nature of the platform as a private enterprise.

[@a.m.7438]

Yep. Sam explained it clearly. I missed it at first, but thankfully we can rewind and listen again😅 Harris was on point again. It's what he says beginning 18 mins in and going to 21 mins that's so important to drill into our heads and understand.

[@basementrockets5798]

That's the problem with Kyle. He doesn't know how to listen. Therefore his personality and his channel don't grow that much.

[@VaasMontenegro12]

It's a contradiction because then you don't believe in the PRINCIPLE of free speech. If you use the excuse that "Well technically right now I'm not legally required to protect this speech because I am a private entity" then you don't truly believe in free speech, you believe in mostly free speech but not always and not everywhere, which is a valid opinion to hold, you should just be upfront that that is what you believe, and you don't believe in free speech. Rights are what we as a society together define them to be. We could decide that actually no, the owner doesn't have that right to moderate the speech of the users on their platform, and therefore none of his rights would be violated. Currently as things are, the owner does indeed have that right, but that is subject to change, and in my personal opinion it should be changed. "If Twitter is the new public square where free speech of the user is paramount, *then you have to change the law*" Yes! That's what Kyle has been advocating for the entire time, changing the law to define it as the new public square. And I agree that it should be changed that way. Kyle also claims that if you don't think it should be changed then you do not truly believe in the principle of free speech, you merely believe in free speech in the way it is currently legally defined, and Kyle finds that definition to be lacking, not true free speech but limited speech. And I agree. Your speech is protected from censorship by the government. But it is not protected from giant corporations, which are just ss much of a powerful and oppressive societal force as the government. That makes no sense.

[@JL-fg2vk]

@@VaasMontenegro12nice speech, but free speech only pertains to public venues. You don't get to walk into a private home, store, or restaurant and say whatever you want, nor can you go to a newspaper or publisher and require them to publish whatever you want. Free speech doesn't just negate private ownership or other rights. I still don't see a contradiction.

[@JL-fg2vk]

@@VaasMontenegro12 in other words, if the "public square" has grown too essential, perhaps question if it should remain privately owned with the rights of private ownership intact, or if it belongs in another sector.

[@technologic21]

This is one of Sam's finest episodes. He buries Twitter, Musk, the internet, etc. His interview with Cal Newport on the fragmenting of modern life hits so damn hard, eye opening.

[@waltergrace565]

Huh? Harris has completely lost the plot.

[@giovanny72]

@waltergrace In what way? I would argue he truly embodies the ideals of what the IDW claimed to have. He was the only reasonable one and seems like he’s having an awakening. Didn’t like him before as he was only helping the pro-war rhetoric during the Bush years but seems like he’s progressing.

[@royalzak2670]

Harris is more offended by free speech than Balenciaga openly grooming children. Neo lib moment

[@LovesHighGround]

@@waltergrace565 Yeah. I don't agree with Sam Harris here and his decision to leave the platform. Much respect to Sam. He changed my life, spiritually. But Free Speech is messy. That's just the nature of living in a Democratic Republic. Otherwise, by principle, we shouldn't bash the CCP when it comes to media censorship.

[@waltergrace565]

@@giovanny72 Progressing? What? All Harris does or ever did was just regurgitate establishment narrative. I'm sure he's still spouting off security state narrative propaganda.

[@cosmicgregg]

I got rid of my Facebook and Twitter 3 years ago for mostly the same reasons. Everything got so disturbing. It made me have a very negative view....on everything. I do believe the algorithm doesn't help

[@fractalign]

Facebook is a useful tool, I use it to buy and sell goods, I don’t understand the purpose of Twitter. The world would be a better place without it.

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

tune in for the next episode of "making sense" podcast with sam harris where he spends 20 minutes explaining how he can't understand why he blocked 50K ppl on twitter using a browser extension LOL oh sht son

[@K4R3N]

Same, delete all my social media 2 years ago. More negative than positive

[@soulife8383]

I kept FB for it serving as a link to some people from my past, high school pals, etc, but I maxed out at around 200, strictly people I knew, then one day instead on muting someone I'd just unfriend them or have fun getting myself unfriended. Pro-trump? Unfriend. Talking about the border like they're animals? Unfriend. Simple stuff. I'm settled down to 45. And a handful unfriended me over satire, being too woke or not woke enough etc. It's crazy how badly some people change

[@cosmicgregg]

@@soulife8383 lol I did that for a while, in the end it wasn't worth staying in touch with anyone from my past.

[@bodombeastmode]

Sam didn't contradict himself at all. Not sure why Kyle thought that.

[@kevinscott9745]

Agreed. I think he got caught up in trying to do commentary too often so missed a couple things or just got it wrong.

[@Brunoku]

Yeah, there's a lot of misunderstanding/misrepresenting of what Sam is saying at points. As much as I like Kyle, it's a little ridiculous to nit-pick and pretend to debate someone that isn't there to respond.

[@barrywhite1770]

It’s because Kyle views Twitter as a public utility, which it isn’t. But he wishes it was, so he treats it like it is.

[@egontokessy1610]

I was specifically looking for this comment to see if anybody picked up on that, I’m so glad to see that someone did, thank you 😅

[@kevinscott9745]

@@egontokessy1610 a whole bunch of people did. So that's a good sign i think. Some people still think for themselves

[@soundandfury6557]

Twitter is not a public square. It’s a private company free to manage the space it provides for its customers as it chooses.

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

I agree. Simply having a large user base dosen't denote a separate entity in the eyes of the law. Twitter can impose their own rules on their own private property. Now the real question is, should a handful of companies be able to monopolise most public interactions within a society, imo no.

[@therealdonelaitis]

100%. Kyle’s insistence on that it is is laughable. These internet talking heads really need to take a class on the First Amendment before spouting off on it without a clue.

[@asmoore82]

Actually no. If Twitter wishes to be shielded from any liability by Section 230 then they are forbidden from selectively editing the content of its users. Any editorial actions taken make you an Editor and/or Publisher of the content and removes you from your protected status as a neutral platform under Section 230. That's how the law currently works. Corporations are just getting more and more bold about ignoring that law.

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

@@asmoore82 interesting, that's Trumps position on the law as well.

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

@@asmoore82 also not true at all, from Wikipedia: Section 230 has two primary parts both listed under §230(c) as the "Good Samaritan" portion of the law. Under section 230(c)(1), as identified above, an information service provider shall not be treated as a "publisher or speaker" of information from another provider. Section 230(c)(2) provides immunity from civil liabilities for information service providers that remove or restrict content from their services they deem "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected", as long as they act "in good faith" in this action. In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:[4] The defendant must be a "provider or user" of an "interactive computer service". The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the "publisher or speaker" of the harmful information at issue. The information must be "provided by another information content provider", i.e., the defendant must not be the "information content provider" of the harmful information at issue. So no, they can restrict content and still have section 230 protect them.

[@Adyman182]

Kyle's decision to be on Twitter is completely his. It's baffling to me that he's using it for years, but never reads comments on his own videos. With that being said, I despise Instagram more, because positive or negative, it distorts the image of people more than any other, in addition to everyone and their grandmother being on there. But that's just me.

[@jca9417]

Kyle openly lies about not reading comments , he snitches on himself from time to time ....most recently he admitted he was gonna stop focusing on his phone while driving during he and Krystal's car drive segments because he said people in the comments were giving him flack for that . Kyle isn't a serious person.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

I just deactivated my instagram. I don’t think I’ll ever fully delete it (I have a lot of followers) but it’s good for everyone to unplug from social media for a few months

[@Adyman182]

@@jca9417 Then he should know that people have been saying in his comments that his takes on the Ukraine was are antiquated and far from fully informed by now

[@SapientGalaxy]

@@Hipfireturtle He said he stopped reading comments because the negative ones got under his skin and stuck with him. I can't remember a single time he's claimed it's the "alpha" thing to do. He obviously does read at least some comments some of the time as JCA points out, but I imagine he sticks to a few of the top comments to get the general reception of the video where they're also more likely to be generally positive.

[@BrainFuck10]

Well that's your fault for following fake people, I just use IG for art, travel spots, and food.

[@edwardpolenzani1039]

I want a part 2 of Kyle interviewing Sam Harris

[@IshtarNike]

Dunno why but this makes me feel old as fuck lol. I remember when Kyle interviewed him way back.

[@srikarjam]

Where is part 1 ?

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@srikarjam years ago Kyle talked with Sam after the cenk tyt rift

[@nemboticska]

Me too!

[@TruthTroop]

Harris addressed Kyle's whole rant by saying "if we want Twitter to be different, we have to change the laws"

[@genesishep]

The laziness of people is appalling when it comes to the matter of a public square. Twitter is a private platform that is just the reality of the situation. Just because it's become popular does not mean that it has the responsibility of fulfilling the need for this role. If having a public square were so important to us why are we not willing to fund such a platform? A dollar a year for all to pay for its infrastructure and personnel and to keep it free of advertisers and corporate influence. A non-profit entity as its owner with oversight from a publicly appointed board. There you are, the framework for a public square but would people use it? Supposedly it's vital and necessary right? The reality is it's laziness, creating that platform would take work and commitment by all. What we expect is for someone else to create the platform and then once its grown sufficiently we believe we should have the right to take it over and use it for our purposes. I'm sorry but that's not how it should work and if Society isn't willing to work for such a space then it's not deserving of that space. I am fully in the belief camp that Society is not worthy of such a space. One look at the strife and damage caused by Society will tell you that we are not ready to, or capable of, creating such a thing.

[@a5cent]

I think Sam Harris is great. He is clearly center left. I think most people, left and right, just don't have the analytical mind and capacity for abstract thinking he has, which caused a lot of people to misunderstand what would actually be relatively simple points. Sam's downfall on the left started with his appearance on Bill Mahr with Ben Affleck, where he was attacked for a disgusting misrepresentation of his actual views, which simultaneously kicked off his rise on the right, for equally invalid reasons. Society suffered a great loss by making Harris on outcast, only because people on the left and right couldn't figure out if he was on "their side". Few want to listen to the messenger if there is a chance he/she is from a different tribe.

[@robertbaur837]

Nailed it. Sam wants intellectual debate where everyone else wants Political war or propaganda and btw that includes even Kyle because they are so concerned with cultivating an audience as if that should matter more than rational pursuit of truth

[@Blade12323]

The thing is Twitter has like 200 million users of something It's not "the" public square just because a bubble of people use it Most people don't

[@chucker2131]

Thank you, was going to say the same thing. People saying Twitter is the new public square probably don’t touch a lot of grass

[@brockfg]

respectfully, i think you are proposing a false dichotomy

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

A private company can do whatever it wants Unless the government tries to interfere and force them to censor certain things

[@seanmatthewking]

It's not THE public square but it is one of the biggest public squares. It's still important for spreading ideas. Not everyone is on Twitter but most people might know someone who is, and information trickles down. So I do think Twitter should be treated as a public square to some degree.

[@RayCromwell]

Twitter's worse than that. 200 mAU, but out of that, a substantial fraction are bots and sock puppet accounts. You could argue that the internet itself is the public square, and there are arguments for that. Like anyone who gets banned on Twitter has the freedom to go do their speech on substack, or reddit, or patreon, or 4chan/8chan, or pay $30/mo and set up their own webserver or wordpress site. The whole point of the original internet is that is "routes around censorship", it was designed originally by DARPA to survive a nuclear attack. The federated, distributed nature of it means if one private company turns you away, you can go elsewhere rather easily. Kyle, addicted to social media and making his living from it, is putting outsized important on a social network a majority of people in the world don't use. Moreover, he is encouraging centralization. By trying to make Twitter a government sanctioned 'public square', he's adding to centralization, and ensuring its importance would only grow. What Twitter needs is competition, not to be sanctified as an official 'public square'. I've been on the internet since the 80s. Back then, our Twitter was USENET/BitNews and Email Mailing Lists (LISTServers/Majordomo). It was fully decentralized. We had amazing public political discussions. And although someone could ban you or kick you off of a mailing list, setting up your own list or group was easy and no one could stop you. There was also IRC as well. Somehow the Millenial/Gen-Zers are completely oblivious to how the internet used to work before mass consumerization centralized a lot of services. We need a return to the original spirit of focusing on preserving the federated nature of the internet itself and stop obsessing over stuff like Twitter, which likely will be bankrupt in 2 years and sold off to Fox news or something.

[@danielm5161]

It's interesting how every time Kyle pauses Sam's take and interjects, immediately after going back to Sam's recording it sounds like Sam actually heard Kyle's interjection and responds

[@johnalexharper]

Jon Stewart made a good point. The public square never had an algorithm, so that comparison just doesn’t work. It’s just not the same.

[@smitty1647]

i would support a public option social media platform with the protections kyle was talking about, and either some unbiased algorithm (not meant to drive viewership or promote interests) or if impossible then no algorithm

[@steelersguy74]

You know what the public square is? The fucking public square! People are still free to put the phone down, go outside, “touch grass” as the saying goes and freely interact with other actual people.

[@Returnality]

I don't think that's a good point. People have always manipulated the public square to get attention, the only difference is in social media's effectiveness in doing so.

[@erice3014]

Get Sam Harris on Krystal Kyle and friends!!

[@jaefrmbk2k]

✅️

[@eldani8095]

that´d be a very interesting comversation for sure!

[@darlenegriffith6186]

Yes, Sam would be an excellent guest!

[@kw5961]

Please do

[@EllGeeLabs]

Yes! Good idea!

[@brendonford3838]

I think Sam hoping to cultivate genuine conversations with an engaged community/audience in good faith shows he was using the wrong platform. I think he’d be much more suitable to twitch than twitter.

[@a5cent]

Any platform that limits a communication to small blurbs belongs flushed down the toilet. It's perfect for trump types who's most complicated thoughts can always fit in 140 characters. Yes, it has changed, but it's still the same micro blurb machine it's always been. It's a piece of crap for shallow people. Harris should never have been on it.

[@ehoc42]

does anyone over the age of 40 use twitch lol

[@a5cent]

@@ehoc42 I know 7. Some do, but minority for sure.

[@brendonford3838]

@@ehoc42 is that his audience demographic? I used to follow Sam more but I don’t ever end up on twitter. I’m under 40, but I don’t watch twitch either, I watch KZbin clips of twitch streams 😆. He could be like an intellectual combo of bill maher and Hasanabi as a commentator in the twitch sphere, and hold live video debates that get clipped later. 🤔 Just a thought

[@ehoc42]

@@brendonford3838 he's probably doing more than fine from his podcast subscribers, meditation app, and book sales

[@ProvocativePixels]

He is definitely not alone. He has great guests on his show.

[@danielm5161]

Sam Harris is one of the very few that will honestly say what he wants without giving a fuck what his audience, friends, career allies or anybody else thinks of his opinions.

[@luceafarul579]

@@danielm5161 lol not true. He says what the left wing establishment wants him to say

[@waterfrodo4304]

Social media networks are not public squares. They are algorithmically curated collections of publicly sourced content.

[@brockfg]

my pushback to kyle saying mass blocks are “bitchshit” is the fact that half twitter users are bots

[@SapientGalaxy]

His point is that people should be able to see what you say, not that you need to see what other people say. The mute feature fills that role.

[@JayD73]

@@Hipfireturtle​I don’t like your statement that cis white straight able bodied people cannot have anything said to them that’s “actually harmful” there’s plenty of examples of that demographic offing themselves from internet harassment which throws that whole point in the garbage. And I definitely understand from personal experience that attacks on immutable characteristics like race can be absolutely brutal but don’t do this oppression Olympics thing where you minimize other forms of harassment

[@brockfg]

@@SapientGalaxy i didnt feel like that was clear in kyles video but i do agree with your point

[@JayD73]

@@Hipfireturtle yeah it just seems like a garbage non point. Even if it’s less things that people may target you for if they want to harass you they will harass you on the grounds that they can and it’s so many people in your hardly anything to harass demographic that have been harassed that your point becomes nonsense

[@JayD73]

@@Hipfireturtle I already told you I’m a minority lol. I’m black and queer I know exactly how much worse it can be to have individuals or groups harassing you. When my voice dropped and I sounded more “black” it went from shit like “you suck at the game” to “kill yourself n word monkey”. Stop suggesting I don’t think it’s worse for minority groups. The issue is you’re doing the leftie thing where you’re missing the forest for the trees. I love you all but this is a problem for us. Something like online harassment is a huge problem INDEPENDENT of bigotry it’s fine if you want to focus on the harassment of minorities specifically because it’s a disproportionate issue but when you start going down the “it’s easier for you cis white straight able bodied male” route you become a problem because you are now misframing the issue entirely. Dude you literally said “what are people going to say to him lol” like idk go ask the millions of people per year that attempted suicide with internet harassment being a leading cause or the almost 10% of youth that reported being the target of cyber bullying. A MASSIVE chunk of both those numbers are cis straight white men. The number disproportionately favors various minority groups obviously I hope I don’t have to say that again but you’re actually shitting on the entire problem with ignorant comments like your first one

[@TheRotbringer]

I don’t think Twitter has enough users to call it the town square. I’d say the internet itself could be considered that, but not yet.

[@effsixteenblock50]

I'm kinda torn on this one. While the number isn't representative at all of the world's population (did't we just hit the 4 billion mark?), we have to remember that the vast majority of people are simply trying to survive and have no time to take their nose away from the grindstone to engage in discussion of any issue.

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

this video is character of many of these youtube videos just going in circles. we're doing 2012 all over again talking about irrelevant scam harris

[@livthedream5885]

Effsixteener

[@livthedream5885]

I think 8 billion.

[@catmanmanson799]

I agree. People need to understand that twitter is absolutely NOT representative of the public and how they feel, so many groups of people left out just based upon their ability to even get on Twitter or use it regularly

[@bloo9699]

not even a quarter of americans use twitter, bump that number up substantially and we can start calling it the town square.

[@waltergrace565]

You realise that not all citizens are in the town square all of the time, no?

[@bloo9699]

​@@waltergrace565 ya don't say... .

[@waltergrace565]

@@bloo9699 Haha, ironically enough, you did though...

[@VaasMontenegro12]

Question: How many people do you see talking about their political opinions, or any opinions for that matter at the town square in the year of our lord 2022 compared to how many people do you see talking about their opinions, political or otherwise on Twitter, as raw total numbers? I'm guessing Twitter will have SIGNIFICANTLY more than even if you add up all the town squares in every city and town in the United States combined, hell it doesn't have to be the town square, it can be any public area and the numbers still won't even come close.

[@jabrokneetoeknee6448]

@@waltergrace565Guys like Walter here aren’t found downtown (or outside much at all, really) unless he’s carrying a tiki torch😂. It’s really no wonder the concept of “sample population” is totally lost on them

[@serqetry]

Sorry, but Twitter is no public square. I'm tired of this argument. I hate Elon and what he did to Twitter (I quit Twitter already), but that loser can do whatever he wants and its up to everyone else to use or not use it. There is no public square, and the 1st amendment has nothing to do with Twitter. I agree with Sam Harris on this point, but I also want Apple to pull Twitter from their app store.

[@fractalign]

I still can’t understand why the elites are so obsessed with Twitter ? The more they try and explain their addiction, the more confused I get.

[@stephm.3407]

I think free speech becomes confused with mandatory access to all platforms. Free speech never forced media outlets to publish any and all 'speech', it just allows people to say what they want. The reality is that unpopular opinions never had access to every platform out there, they do have access to any literal public square, but never a privately owned 'square'.

[@eragon78]

I think the argument is more so that public platforms have become a sort of public forum and are necessary to communicate and spread ideas in the modern times. As such they SHOULD be subject, at least to some degree, to free speech laws and regulated as a public forum. At least for some platforms. Now you can agree or disagree with that take, but I think the argument is more nuanced than people just having a simple misunderstanding of what actually is protected or not under free speech. I think most people know the stuff these platforms are doing is technically legal, but the issue they have is a moral objection in the sense that free speech SHOULD apply to public forums such as this as well. At least in some extent. Social media has a MASSIVE influence on modern day thought and culture. So not protecting free speech in those arenas goes against the spirit of the law. The founding fathers obviously couldnt conceive of a time where the internet existed so the current laws are outdated. But again, there is debate to be had on this topic. But I dont think its as simple as they simply have a misunderstanding. Although some may have that misunderstanding, I think many people talk about this topic in a way of what SHOULD be the case rather than what actually is. Mass Censorship by major social media corporations is against the spirit of free speech, even if its not technically against the law.

[@rubenvela7408]

@@eragon78I would agree with you if using Twitter was equivalent to traditional speech, but it’s not. Later in the pod Sam makes the point that false and outrageous headlines are what get the most engagement and spread on Twitter. Twitter is not just a blank canvas of speech, it uses algorithm to amplify the worst ideas at a scale that was never possible before. If anything I’d be more in favor of laws deciding that these tools need to be destroyed. They’re a net harm to society.

[@eragon78]

@@rubenvela7408 Sure, but my point was that the argument wasnt being portrayed fairly. And you can disagree that twitter is the correct platform for this as well. My main point is that SOME platform should exist that acts as a public square where ALL legal speech is protected. How we actually go about creating such a thing can very wildly though. Whether it be regulating current companies to censor less, or creating a new government platform to host it, or maybe some other method I havent even thought of. But the point that there should be at least SOME social media site where ALL legal speech is protected is a reasonable position to have imo. Its important that there exist some public square online since online interactivity is the future and current reality of our world. It is where the majority of ideas and information is exchanged, and there needs to be SOME place that protects that speech online. How to actually reasonably go about it though is definitely up for debate.

[@jonsmith9838]

@@eragon78 thing about a public square you generally have to show yourself in publics to used. Twitter it easy to hide. It more like a public bathroom wall. now it an argument that should the government create an online public square. Sure. But note that place going to be a money pit. It wont make a profit and may cost billions. And not that many people will use it because it a pain in the ass. Unless they make there own little private communities with there own TOS. Then the same thing will happen. The one that have TOS will grow in size and people will be kicked off those

[@eragon78]

@@jonsmith9838 the government makes products and services that lose money all the time. The point of government isnt to make money. The point of government is to provide services to society to improve society, and then to find a budget for that project. The post office doesnt make money but its a good for society to have a very cheap postal service guaranteed for everyone. Public K-12 education doesnt make money, but we as a society highly value education so the government takes taxes to pay for it. Also, an online social media government run site doesnt HAVE to cost billions of dollars. You could probably easily make one with maintenance costs in the millions. And millions of dollars compared to the federal budget is practically nothing, especially when the service being provided is a guaranteed open public forum protected under free speech. And yea, I honestly think there is a lot of debate about how you can go about making a public forum online. There are positives and negatives to everything. But I do strongly believe that SOME FORM of public forum should exist online where legal free speech is protected. In the world of the modern digital era, online is one of the most important spaces for society to communicate, and as such, there needs to exist that space that protects free speech.

[@michaelburkey1968]

Dude if you would just listen instead of looking for disagreements, you would realize he is close to 90% with you and he isn't acting like he has the answers, merely thinking about them...just wait a second 😉

[@basementrockets5798]

That's the problem with Kyle. He doesn't know how to listen. Therefore his personality and his channel don't grow that much.

[@steelersguy74]

@@basementrockets5798 He also has the martyrdom obsession.

[@garfieldGG]

Sam is 100% right about all of this.

[@myselftik]

Sam is usually right about most things

[@garfieldGG]

@user-oc5db3wy1w what’s the context where he’s wrong about this???

[@garfieldGG]

@@myselftik let’s not get ahead of ourselves now. The guy was a part of the IDW.

[@ZedNebuloid]

@M R Let's do a thought experiment... I say things and when I get caught in the wrong... I say you are taking me out of context... Therefore, I am always correct, effectively, and theoretically never wrong. Now let's do some deep breathing....

[@myselftik]

@@ZedNebuloid except that Sam can actually defend his positions and prove when someone does take him out of context. Just look at his discussion with Cenk if you need any proof.

[@BigDaddyButthead123]

Sam should spend some time in a Call of Duty lobby. He'll be running back to Twitter in no time.

[@TestMeatDollSteak]

And here’s me, never even having so much as downloaded the Twitter app onto a single phone or even created a Twitter account. It’s possible to be so behind the times that you’re eventually ahead of the curve.

[@codyw518]

👌good point

[@codyw518]

👌good point

[@susanmozda910]

Me as well

[@Scout7wc]

I got off Twitter about a month ago and my mental health has improved tremendously! That platform truly promotes the worst in people. I agree with Sam 100% on everything he said here. The algorithm is designed to promote angst. I highly encourage everyone to get off of that scourge. You'll be thankful if you do.

[@sub-zero5433]

seeing all this twitter drama makes me really glad I never got it

[@AssBlasster]

Had a similar experience when I gave up following "friends" on Facebook like 5 years ago.

[@ehoc42]

kyle stopped the video because he realized he hadn't thought through his position on content moderation as deeply as Sam lol

[@TheDukeofBox]

Or as deeply as his thoughts on joe biden and child corpses perhaps 😅

[@VaasMontenegro12]

Explain how?

[@mikertist347]

I support Sam's decision. If it's making his life worse, he should do what's best for him. I used to support him on Patreon, then jumped shipped when he was "with" the IDW. Maybe I'll dip my toe back in here and there.

[@justjax6000]

Listening to his few recent podcast, it shows that he’s been trying to just be him, and express his thoughts and not try to find a group to back him. I think the new atheists back in the day were great for him and eachother but they split and you could tel he was trying to find a new group of intellectuals with the IDW but they went all weird/maga, and he pulled away. I’m happy he’s wise enough to stand on his own.

[@alexnorth3393]

Good riddance to Sam.

[@catchcan221]

I’ve never had a Twitter account, never had a TikTok account, never had a Snapchat. These three seem like cesspools.

[@alexdevcamp]

Idk I've actually moved away from the idea that Twitter is the new public square. Not everyone is on Twitter. In fact, most people aren't on Twitter. Just because journos became obsessed with it doesn't magically make it the public square.

[@DDanV]

Sam Harris take on Twitter can be used for Facebook as well (or any other social network based on social bias and without any form of consequence/responsabilisation). I disabled my Facebook account (just reopened last year to imortalize my moms account, but deleted any form of input signals - groups, liked pages, etc - that were not my family and friends, and I hardly use Facebook because of that) and disabled my Twitter account mid pandemic and it was the best I could have ever done for my mental health. I went from having rage fits to bliss. Any and all social networks, unmoderated and without responsabilisation, are a cess pool.

[@gemcitychico]

Rest In Peace & Power to your mom 🕊️

[@vibesanm]

Basically, having someone arrested for saying something political is the same as taking a post off Facebook, according to Kyle.

[@robertbaur2672]

its more like Verizon monitoring and canceling your phone plan after monitoring your personal conversations

[@Jokamole]

I always figured that the comment section, once a youtuber gets to a certain size, was more for their fans to discuss the video instead of a place the creator looks for feedback.

[@thetruth4116]

I left Face Book back in 2016 after using that platform for almost 3 years. One of the best life choices I ever made. I literally felt better the very next day. I've been way more productive and sensitive to stuff happening around me and to the needs of close friends and loved ones. Social media just is not for everyone.

[@charleshardes]

Remember when his podcast was called "Waking Up"? That was before the Right turned "Woke" into a slur. Now it's "Staying Asleep" with Sam Harris.

[@waltergrace565]

The right never turned it into a slur. The corporate establishment hijacked the actual meaning and used it to obfuscate and shield them from accountability and responsibility.

[@jontomas2271]

I never liked Twitter. The best phrase I can use to describe it is "Crabs in a Bucket."

[@detrif8701]

I agree with Sam on here. I don’t think Kyle understands what he’s trying to say.

[@grapes9h5]

Twitter is cancer and TikTok is shingles

[@Galilelo_Telescope]

When is Kyle going back to black hair? I thought the blonde was just for his Halloween costume.

[@ELLHNIKA]

He started to like it🫤

[@BrandonBrooksMedia]

I left Twitter too. Not because of Musk or Sam Harris. It’s so toxic. All I wanted to do was either argue or wish the worst on others.

[@mpcref]

This is one of three things where in my opinion Kyle is wrong. No matter how often he keeps repeating his "public square" argument. Kyle keeps conflating law/rights and terms of service. He also keeps misrepresenting freedom of speech. And he makes no distinction between whether Twitter SHOULD vs. whether Twitter is ALLOWED TO do something.

[@dellabooty]

Kyle not understanding that Krystal receives overwhelming positivity because she is an attractive woman is the cutest thing

[@victororlov1236]

Ya... zero chance that people would be at all interested an intelligence commentary.... FROM A WOMAN.🤨

[@2000galshiba]

Except that there are many physically attractive women who have had negative experiences on various social media platforms (e.g. unsolicited dick pics, lewd comments on their looks, etc.) I've personally known many such women who have experienced this.

[@rodiape]

You should invite Sam on your program it would be a good talk.

[@mikesmollin2043]

he's already done that and it was a disaster cuz Sam just kept avoiding questions, cuz he is a snake

[@joelwilson4197]

@@mikesmollin2043 what question did he keep avoiding

[@mikesmollin2043]

@@joelwilson4197 His position of foreign policy (drone strikes) in the middle east Kyle kept trying to get an answer for. He used the same tactics as Jordan Peterson, Kyle was asking simple policy questions and Sam pretended like he doesn't understand what the question is, yet he is a PHD self proclaimed intellectual, and that is intentional cuz he knows people will attack him for saying what he really thinks, same reason he clamed he blocked 50k people on twitter in this video. Just like Kyle bringing up the LGBT community and Jordan pretending he doesn't know what that is. The entire IDW uses this trick to avoid being honest. Go listen to the interview with Sam and Kyle, Sam just vomits meaningless word salad the entire time. Every idea they have to talk about is clear as day, but the second someone askes a question they don't know what words mean

[@joelwilson4197]

@@mikesmollin2043 i don’t think Kyle asked him for what his specific positions are from what I remember he was simply talking about his philosophical argument on torture and Collateral damage

[@ThrownOut2Sea]

@@mikesmollin2043 To be fair, that was like 5 or 6 years ago and their conversation at the time was more focused on the accusations of Islamaphobia being leveled at Sam by folks like Greenwald, who, ironically it seems, Sam actually had the correct read on as a dishonest reactionary. I definitely have my beef with Sam and think Kyle did do a good job pushing back on him in that interview, but the landscape of what Sam focuses on has definitely shifted since then and it could be interesting to do a part 2 with Kyle or on KKF.

[@Dez-E]

If twitter is the new public square, THEN NATIONALIZE IT! The INTERNET is the new public square. Twitter is a stage in that square. The owners of that stage can do with it what they want.

[@adrianfoca865]

He is such a class act. I understand him

[@TheDukeofBox]

Joe biden & child corpses... Now that is classy

[@adrianfoca865]

@@TheDukeofBox -don’t forget to take your meds every morning

[@Jus4ya]

I’m with Sam on this one

[@makeitthrough_]

You don't stop being a human being just because you're a public figure

[@tmc8195]

Never had twitter but I can tell you I deleted my Facebook years ago and never looked back-one of the best decisions I ever made- I am mentally healthier and happier for it.

[@therussiantrollnetwork7464]

How did kyle miss sams point about specifically getting more hate in the center. Being in the center is probably the worst place . At least if you are on one side you get love from that side

[@therussiantrollnetwork7464]

@@Hipfireturtle i don't think you care though. If you are on the left why on earth do you care if someone on the right attacks you? Or course they will...it's expected. I think it's different though when you are like center left and see people in your own party attacking you . But i get your point

[@FlightX101]

I agree that Twitter aint the place for the center….the whole world is gonna roast you for everything you say and do

[@AcolyteOfLucifer]

I don't think it's actual centrists going after him, just people that either believe they are, or aren't at all just claim to be. Wish Sam saw through it. He's pretty moderate so it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[@therussiantrollnetwork7464]

@@Hipfireturtle yeah i think you are making decent points. I agree

[@pg9072]

Problem is one one can agree on what the center is anymore lol

[@icecoldnut5152]

I think the major issue with twitter is the same issue with voting in how easy it can become to feel like it's pointless. You never really see the change in a immediate way so it can hard to feel like you are making a difference. You're rarely going to see someone say that you changed their minds on a lot of profound issues because people are either really stuck in their ways where it simply takes more than 1 discussion or 1 tweet to change their views OR people tend to be to prideful to admit they were wrong in that moment which means you don't really get the feedback that they did/will change their mind. I like to be optimistic on the internet and assume that as long as we keep trying to make solid arguments, it's more of a good tool than a bad one, and the moment we give up is the moment the internet becomes a tool for misinformation.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

The difference is voting may feel pointless sometimes when things don't go your way. Twitter actually is pointless. If Twitter were deleted tomorrow we would all survive. If the government said no one can vote anymore: civil war.

[@dv4497]

"Corporations can't do child labor therefore they are required to host content they do not want to host" is the wildest example one could make. Kyle is a bafoon. His arguments are absolutely absurd.

[@adamalday01]

It’s not the public square. It’s a private company. It’s the private square.

[@nas84payne]

Fair play to Sam. I do often find myself angry at shit I see on Twitter (I’m on there to be updated on sports, music, etc). The quick fire nature of Twitter is definitely one of the factors in its negativity.

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

This is brilliantly insightful, Kyle. Good work here. Edit: First half was great. Second half included statist falsehoods.

[@edwardlewis6352]

I completely quit using anything but Instagram years ago and it's been great. I never used Twitter, it just seemed stupid.

[@karlerikpaulsson88]

same, when I first heard about twitter from my sister in 2005, I believe my exact words were "What a stupid idea. why would I want to be inundated by the brain farts of morons every day?"

[@robalberto1583]

Also his wife tweeted out this very sentiment about Twitter warping ones perception of people as a whole a week before he deleted it. By the way he nails why Twitter is bad when it captured a brilliant man in Musk and allows him to follow his most troll/unhelpful instincts.

[@blackpilleddadli]

Sam Harris is married?

[@ricodelavega4511]

Sam Harris's island (not a bad one to hang out in): Harris, John McWhorter, Steven Pinker, Katie Herzog, Jesse Singal, Bill Maher, and a few others.

[@Ruby3cat]

Yeah, I don't think he'd still be able to attract some of the brightest minds to come on his podcast if his island was that small. His island is a lot bigger than what twitter suggests and that's part of Harris' point in leaving twitter. Twitter doesn't represent real life, not even close.

[@merciless972]

And add bill Burr for the fuck of it

[@ottz2506]

Kyle in previous videos: “I’m a free speech absolutist” Kyle in this video: “Actual free speech absolutism isn’t a thing.” I’ve been telling people this for ages when they refer to themselves as free speech absolutists and then laugh when people say they’re a free speech absolutist but then go on about where the limits should be.

[@dj_something_clever]

I hate the persistence of this idea that Twitter is the public square. It's not. Very little is being said on that platform and now that Musk has taken over it looks like collapse may be imminent. What will people do if they can't use Twitter? They'll move on to another social media platform. There's nothing special about Twitter except the toxicity it seems to engender amongst its users. I've hated Twitter for years because I never thought that anything important could be said in 140 characters, and boy did Twitter prove me right. Then they doubled it, and guess what, it didn't get any better. Twitter is a cesspool and humans will probably be better off if it implodes.

[@jaer678]

I agree here completely I sometimes look at news stories on Twitter and without a doubt within a few comments people are just battling each other. Even youtube comments are like that especially the ones with 50+ replies

[@enid9911]

and I love it

[@alexross5714]

I appreciate Sam's take on Twitter, and I'm a little surprised by Kyle's casual admission that he never reads the responses to his tweets - especially since he frequently says in his KZbin videos "Comment below and let me know what your take is on this subject" - or something to that effect. I also take issue with the common framing that Twitter is either a place for trolling your "enemies" or a place for showing love and support for your "friends." For me, Twitter is primarily a place for abbreviated political commentary and debate. I enjoy the challenge of trying to craft tweets that will have the maximum impact in the fewest words. I engage with people I agree with and people I don't. I frequently tweet at political office holders to try to influence them. I definitely use twitter a little more than I should, and I'm probably naive to think I'm having an impact, but one thing I'm sure about is that it has sharpened my debating skills.

[@angelicreinforcement3373]

I think your experience on twitter may be slightly different from someone like Kyle or Sam. Your points also don't really add or detract anything from the broader points being discussed here

[@alexross5714]

@@angelicreinforcement3373 You're entitled to your opinion, but I think the gist of my comment - that Twitter is (or should be) fundamentally about DEBATE, not about LOVE or HATE - is both valid and relevant.

[@angelicreinforcement3373]

@@alexross5714 it's neither relevant nor true

[@alexross5714]

@@angelicreinforcement3373 Fair enough.

[@Always.Smarter]

its for all of these reasons that i never used twitter to begin with, and generally spent time on any social media platform sparingly.

[@ffsf739]

Kyle criticized Sam on a bunch of stuff... that Sam acknowledged and explanained on the second half of his video! Kyle has called Sam a whiner in the past, due to his constant complaints about being misrepresented. Well, here you can find evidence of misrepresentation. Dude, before reacting to someone's ideas, listen to what the person has to say!!

[@herringstheseries]

7:55 Kyle has no room to judge Sam for blocking people when Kyle doesn’t read even the comments to his own posts. And I’ve seen Krystal’s IG account. It ain’t all love, son.

[@otmanh]

Its really funny how Kyle is accusing and belitteling Sam to be very confused about what free speech actually means, when during this whole video Kyle has proven himself to be even more confused about the subject. He's very confident with where he stands but Boy did he not make sense a lot of the time. As someone who doesn't like Sam Harris I got to give Sam credits for being right this time.

[@VaasMontenegro12]

Lol how?

[@sammyjammy6647]

What’s the point of social media if you’re not bothering to read the replies? Doesn’t make sense, Kyle.

[@endxofxeternity]

This is why I stick to Stan Twitter. People call it toxic, but all I get is love and encouragement. You gotta weed out your tl of people who create drama. And you have to follow a topic that is not full of hate.

[@zhugh9556]

Agree or disagree with Sam, I think that Kyle is misunderstanding Sam's position here.

[@jakevidovich7851]

I’d love for you two to talk. I believe you’d have more in common then you think. I feel Sam is a reasonable person. I’ve listened to him and you for years and I think you’d agree on more things then you’d disagree.

[@advisorywarning]

I think he did talk to him, years ago. The video is on KZbin

[@htown11465]

Sam Harris: takes an absolutely consistent approach to corporations being able to control who is on the platforms. Kyle: that’s inconsistent.

[@steelersguy74]

Are you seriously comparing Alex Jones talking about how children aren’t actually dying in school shootings to Kennedy assassination conspiracies?

[@erikhuseth1578]

I'd never put sam and "bitch" in the same sentence. He was speaking anti-theism to mixed audiences in 2005..if you think about what the country was like back then, that was a borderline extreme stance.

[@onendonlysmithy1498]

TDS just means you have a normal gag reflex.

[@chrisoffersen]

This is one of the toughest questions of all time. “What is freedom?” And, “how much freedom should we allow?” Great commentary on this. It’s something we should be talking about often.

[@stevenbragg85]

Freedom used to be dictated by Mother Nature. Now it dictated by societal norms and the elites.

[@chrisoffersen]

@@stevenbragg85 Unless you’re a billionaire, you don’t want nature’s version of freedom.

[@user-id7mp8cq6m]

Great segment, highly informative!

[@Imnothere59]

I found Sam 2 years ago, and watched his debate with Jordan Peterson since then I have watched every episode of Sam's pod, He is the rational man with no blind supporter . I suggest everyone to listen to his pod , if you are like me who couldn't afford it, just mail on support they will provide it for free.

[@mrburns805]

Sam Harris is the person I most identify with intellectually. It’s almost cathartic to hear someone express my own thoughts so eloquently. He provides clarity for a lot of my positions and helps me formulate my own arguments. I’ll disagree with him every once in a while, but far less than anyone else I listen to. I legitimately cannot understand the hate he gets. He is extremely well reasoned and unbiased imo.

[@chrispriest7167]

If Sam Harris were to drop his real life persona and start using internet discussion forums anonymously he would have a completely different experience. Twitter is one of those platforms where there are two classes of users: esteemed blue checked users, and dirty, filthy commoner non-blue-checkers. There will always be contempt between the two groups and long as the two-tiered system exists. In my opinion, the best discussion forum in reddit, mostly because everybody there is anonymous and the two tiered system does not exist and everyone is on the same tier as everyone else.

[@theurbanegentleman4550]

Reddit sucks. It’s an echochamber factory

[@souljaboyisbad]

@@theurbanegentleman4550 used to be good

[@SantamanitaClauscaria]

The Left cheered him on as a champion for secular progressivism when he criticized fundamentalist Christianity, but then turned on him with the torches and pitchforks and called him Islamophobic when he made the *exact* same critique of fundamentalist Islam.

[@omfayebooks]

i can't imagine using twitter like he did, high profile with controversial topics. that would be incredibly stressful. i personally love twitter, the writing community is so much fun, but it's a completely different scenario. i can def understand why he deleted his account and i hope he's much happier now.

[@cjlaity1]

I never understood why people use Twitter to begin with. How many times have you heard of someone ruining their life because of a tweet. A lot, right? Now, how many times have you ever heard of someone making their life better with a tweet? Like, never.

[@didgya]

Maybe it's the risk ?

[@60westpro]

You should interview Sam -

[@belevezero2279]

I with Sam on this, Twitter is a private company and free speech applies to twitter as a company, and the users agreed to a terms of service. Being silenced on twitter is not a 1st amendment issue.

[@baustin1215]

I read “Letter to a Christian Nation” in 2007. It’s the reason I made the final push from on-the-fence Christian to atheist. One of the best books I’ve ever read.

[@vinceofyork1757]

It took Harris over 10 years to figure out Twitter was a net negative?

[@JohnTheodore]

Kyle, Twitter is not publicly owned. Definitionally, no matter how we use it, it is not a public square in the sense you are describing.

[@willmosse3684]

I agree with Sam here. I can’t take Kyle’s position because I am not on it to post my thoughts and then leave it. I am there to interact with what other people post. I only got on it in a big way in the last year, and at first I avoided politics and just looked at sports and hobbies I have, which was great. But slowly I responded to a political tweet here, another there. And now I am in the position where my feed just seems to be flooded and I spend my day arguing with right wing conspiracy theorists and horrible anti-Semites and racists. It’s friggin grim. And like Sam says, I think it is giving me a more negative impression of people in general than I need to have. I think I might just delete it myself…

[@Thorum13]

Great show, thanks. I have followed Sam for so many years now. A truly great person.

[@taLLdavidproduction]

Yea its so great censoring people in the name of your political ideology

[@RichD2024]

Sam Harris is, IMO, the most rational person in the public space and probably one of the most misinterpreted and misquoted. If you actually hear him out, it's hard to argue with him.

[@kropotkinbeard1]

It seems simple. Twitter deals in soundbites. Therefore, one projecting what one thinks the poster is saying will likely be wrong. It's like a million people reading two pages of a 2,000 page book, all thinking they know what the book is saying when none do. Dealing with soundbites is intellectually weak.

[@philliph8991]

Twitter is not a public utility. Its a dying social media platform

[@talyahr3302]

Twitter is simply a reflection of our society. Everyone who's subscribed to this channel is well aware of our society's problems, so why do we expect SM to be any better? Especially when it removes true connection.

[@wesleymcintyre1823]

Glad to see Kyle doing a good faith analysis of why Sam Harris actually left twitter unlike Sam Seder who glibly assumed it was because of Trump. I generally like Seder’s politics way more than Harris and disagree with Harris on more issues than not yet Seder has never really honestly engaged with Harris on his views. It’s one of the Majority Report’s biggest blind spots.

[@souljaboyisbad]

Yep they're always been dishonest when it came to Sam Harris

[@nathanandsugar5252]

Harris: “I felt disgust and despair.” First time? I feel both every day. It’s kinda in your face with our system.

[@kw5961]

You mean with this 🌎

[@grod805]

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