Omar Baddar DISHES On His Debate With Destiny

[@arshanmostafavi9621]

I really want to see Kyle do a video on the 5 hour Lex Fridman , Destiny , Norman Finkelstein …. Palestine podcast !!

[@AdamtheRed-]

Clearly not with destiny since he's not bringing things to the debate, except is rhetorical skill.

[@tabz47]

Im pro Palestine but Finkelstein looked VERY bad in the debate... He was just constantly screaming and insulting destiny, not fully answering points . The other guy next to him was great tho

[@dbzmaniac1234]

@@AdamtheRed- lmao finkledick wasn’t coherent the entire debate. And was constantly attacking destinies character rather than addressing ANY of his points. Destiny mopped the floor with him.

[@aureliodelarose610]

Yea finklisestein got wrecked if you notice his partner was trying to hold (literally) him back

[@maxallen8039]

​@@dbzmaniac1234oh ok

[@beverywhereyouare]

I'm beginning to think Israel may not be telling the full truth.

[@donovan4222]

But Destiny told me they are only targeting the big scary Hamas bad guys in the fishing hut

[@firefly9838]

Oh I am sure Hamas Piker is telling the truth when he puts out a 7 hour smear piece on Destiny

[@donovan4222]

@@firefly9838 based Hamasanabi

[@gagmaloswinger7197]

Full truth? Not even a little of it.

[@amingee90]

They have never told the truth, wake up do your independent search don't take isrealis or palistinians accounts take any independent account the truth can't be clearer, what happened to the palistinians if it happened to any other countries they would have called them freedom fighters.

[@airdee]

Destiny is so childish

[@gnomechump-stiny7128]

Except for all the times Norm went unhinged for no reason

[@Amaterasu77306]

@@gnomechump-stiny7128norm body slammed destiny in that debate lol

[@funandgames4645]

@@Amaterasu77306you don’t know what a body slam is. Norm acted like an unhinged child

[@acason4]

@@Amaterasu77306 LMFAO.

[@mroctober3583]

​@@Amaterasu77306 Norm acted like old unhinged Destiny and the far leftoids loved him for it while simultaneously hating Destiny for it 😂

[@Strangerthang87]

People should watch the debate. Omar, on numerous occasions, would say “you are wrong,” Destiny would say “what part is wrong,” and then Omar would say it’s not worth his time to explain it. Don’t eat the “review” of the debate. Watch it and make your own conclusions.

[@beebee242]

I watched the debate. Omar didn’t shy away from any questions and didn’t say it’s a waste of his time. Destiny is a master at moving the questions and forcing you to chase it. Like Omar said here. It’s a waste of time to keep chasing his angles.

[@robinmc142]

Secular Talk, you need to debate Destiny on Israel.

[@yurika.matsui55]

I mean he might as well debate wikipedia . Whats the point?

[@robinmc142]

@@yurika.matsui55 standing by his claims in a fair match, so both of the audiences can decide? Productivity? What's the point of discussion? Because ye fair if both sides are just going to say "do your research" I'm sure both of them did their research.

[@yurika.matsui55]

@@robinmc142 It sounds as if you think online debates are the arbiter of truth. You do you I guess.

[@robinmc142]

@@yurika.matsui55 wat I just said that's a productive step forward if you're going to bother calling out the person and you know they would accept hashing out the differences. Common sense isn't an end all be all but you gotta start somewhere right?

[@yurika.matsui55]

@@robinmc142 He didn't call him out, he just commented on his debate with another guy, and why he thinks he's taking the position he's taking. Online debates aren't "hashing out differences" they tend to be just show and spectacle.

[@_Crush__]

Oh no, by the looks of the dislike count, psychotic and rabid Destiny stans are brigading this video, coping and seething about his lose.

[@Ktmfan450]

KZbin doesn't have a dislike count any more

[@penpointred]

@@Ktmfan450i think there’s a way to make those viewable. But nobody cares about dislike #s anymore and it shows desperation to depend on those for validation. Destiny is getting cooked this week.

[@DarkestKnightshade]

Loss? I'm more interested in the specific details than vague generalities, I haven't finished the debate yet so I'll form my opinion at the end

[@donovan4222]

@@DarkestKnightshade “I know nothing about this ongoing genocide, so allow me to watch a 5 hour online shouting match with an internet troll to form my opinion!”

[@joshuamartin5085]

The actuality is, this guy just did a very poor job debating Destiny and came across as very resentful, bad faith and ill tempered lol. It’s easy to sit behind a controlled environment with video editing and time to preface your thoughts, as opposed to articulating yourself in real time with another debate opponent who did the research.

[@RonnySwank]

Imagine being a Destiny fan

[@Aspirintax]

Destiny brings a lot of value to the liberal space. Leftists don’t like him, obviously. But most of his takes align with theirs. Israel is one of his very rare Ls in my opinion. You obviously share a different opinion, and that’s fine. What other opinions of Destiny’s did you disagree with?

[@matthewmaguire71]

People like you are why people hate leftists. Destiny is a pretty sane Liberal ffs.

[@knots9119]

@@Aspirintax I share the same sentiment duder.

[@NotmyRealname847]

@@AspirintaxHis other opinions are irrelevant, he literally said that he's "in favour of genocide" regarding Gaza - and that's completely in context, word for word. I don't care if he doesn't hate trans people, or whatever other banal liberal positions he takes, his position on Israel negates everything. The guy has no principles and is just looking for notoriety and probably somewhere to cash it in. I guarantee that he'll do the whole "why I left the left" schtick in the next year or two and start grifting for the Daily Wire or some other far right outlet.

[@nemesis7884]

@@Aspirintax at least destiny a) researches his stuff b) is very transparent and open about his process c) is very reasonable in most if not all of his assessments and c) is open to having his mind changed when better arguments or new information comes out and most important d) is not an unhinged lunatic like some of the other leftists

[@BemkyWatchesBuffy]

This guy is f****** spot on with his critique of Destiny

[@hochmeisterr]

Yes, he is very brave to attack a man who is not present to defend himself.

[@donovan4222]

His point about how skilled Destiny is at sounding intelligent when he knows nothing about the topic is so accurate. I’m amazed how he can talk so long and say so little but still have so many fans. He could probably do great in any job interview.

[@Jones-ke6bt]

​@@donovan4222how delusional. Because he doesn't agree = doesn't know anything. Wild.

[@donovan4222]

@@Jones-ke6bt It’s amazing how Destiny fans can read something and just completely make up something else that I never said

[@emperormarcusaureliusanton5995]

Is Destiny the Ben Shapiro of the left? Is that why I've always had a latent dislike of him?

[@gordonmcculloch7450]

Destiny is a lost cause.

[@funandgames4645]

Kyles a lost cause

[@rollingknuckleball]

@@funandgames4645 D**k rider detected, opinion rejected.

[@jumanasaadeh2817]

​​@@funandgames4645this isn't team sports, grow the fuck up. This is exactly what we should expect from destiny cult members

[@donovan4222]

@@funandgames4645 Kyles not a genocidal descendant of Cuban plantation owners

[@funandgames4645]

@@donovan4222 Is Destiny? Even if he is who cares 🤷‍♂️

[@andresabourin2423]

Kyle, it isn't that deep. Destiny just thinks "What is the contrarian position?" and that's what he adopts as a "belief". He looooves the drama. He really isn't worth talking about since he doesn't add anything to the conversation. He's just twitter but in person. It's useless.

[@Honkin_Chonker]

Kyle is twitter personified. Only reads the headline, and fills in the gap with bullshit.

[@brianleonard6598]

Not really. He has the accepted mainstream view of the Ukraine/Russia conflict.

[@nemesis7884]

contrarian maybe in your niche twitter bubble you live in...destiny pretty much holds the moderate mainstream opinion in 75% of topics

[@jdavis7993]

You guys are the ones dropping in Kyle's vods to talk shit. Destiny fans are pathetic losers with no social life. Thats why they have time in their oh-so-busy days for comment trolling.

[@Jakethesnake3636]

Destiny doesn't agree with me on every issue, therefore he's a contrarian.

[@burniejarvis9298]

Destiny would be with the Goth kids from South Park.

[@lilSlowJoe]

based

[@pranays]

No he would be the loser in his room yelling at a video game.

[@deepakkc555]

But still have more knowledge and balls to talk/debate to lawyers, professor, poli​cians and historians. Rather than your so called internet intellectuals who only talk on a echo chamber.@@pranays

[@yeshuabinyankee5017]

@@deepakkc555 search 'sophistry'. This 'Destiny' is playing WWE for Zionists. How difficuly is it (unless youre israeli/Chosen Person) to see the Genocide in Gaza and reject it...and not defend it. He shares key elements with fake impostor Mileilkowsky 'netanyahu'. They like to use fake names, and pretend to be someone elese.

[@666marquis]

Can't picture Destiny listening to Sisters of Mercy.

[@FoundationForLawandG]

They are desperate. Thank you for introducing us to Omar Baddar. Never heard of Destiny. I guess I dont need to.

[@toxendon]

Trust me, you don't want to

[@Aspirintax]

Destiny is basically the only worthwhile leftist debate bro. But his Israel takes are bad.

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

Destiny is the man who would destroy Kyle in a Israel debate

[@VColossalV]

@@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440 Kyle would happily debate him and do what he did to RazorFist. Destiny believes that animals don't feel pain and aren't conscious beings and shouldn't have their wellbeing considered - that's how stupid Destiny can be. He has some of the most indefensible beliefs imaginable. Despite this, he still put up a good fight, because he's a decent debater. Even though he was arguing that animals are zombies. That's not a straw man by the way, he literally believes that.

[@donovan4222]

@@Aspirintax Destiny isn’t a leftist and doesn’t even claim to be anymore

[@Dudemeister]

If everyone understood narcissism better there would be less confusion about Destiny. There is ill will when he loses a debate because he's so invested in being the smartest guy in the room at all times. He has ego investment in everything he does because he engages in life like a child puts on a cape and plays super hero. He doesn't want to face the reality that he can't win all the time and he can't just twist a narrative around when he loses. Sometimes he's just caught in the act of being a mean-spirited, narcissistic man baby who doesn't know what he's talking about

[@DR.Triplesun]

Your spot on He lacks emotional intelligence and can't fathom placing his feet in other peoples shoes

[@MissMaserati]

What's also scary is that he's teaching his audience the same tactics. Take an entire argument of multiple aspects, break it down into specific details, then attack details that ultimately miss the point of the entire argument made by his opponent and suddenly his audience thinks he's brilliant instead of catching the method he's using. Imagine actually having to get along with one of these people who think they're brilliant for weaseling out of any accountability with that same method.

[@solomon_doors]

He’s a sociopath who’s training his audience to be more and more antisocial every day

[@christophergreen6595]

Sometimes he's caught supporting the worst war crimes seen in a generation. Some shlt you can't walk away from.

[@christophergreen6595]

​@@MissMaserati which is wild because he used to work backwards from there... like, i know back when, I saw him argue quite well that true 'black crime stats' aren't an argument for segregation. Here he is, citing Palestinian crimes as justification for occupation and apartheid. Such brain rot.

[@elizaleroux9173]

Who can really take a grown man named destiny serious? Only his teenage gamer "buddies".. He should study and use his platform for the good. And he should definitely grow up.

[@Carlos-gf7uq]

Thanks for having Omar, Krystal and Kyle! All the best.

[@JZ0UK]

Imagine affording destiny any goodwill.

[@nmc400]

Imagine giving goodwill to anyone supporting hamas.

[@firefly9838]

Why not? Is there no working together on the left? He helped just this year with canvassing for democratic candidates in Ohio for example. Seems... good...

[@donovan4222]

@@nmc400 Why wouldn’t you want the Palestinian military to defeat the occupation?

[@nmc400]

A military that targets civilians and uses human shields?

[@nmc400]

@@donovan4222 how does holding israelis hostages and sacrificing your kids as martyrs a military.

[@ullebor]

Destiny is the cliff notes depth of understanding the meaning of complex books. He's the kid that thinks he knows what he's talkinga bout because he read the notes but doesn't fully comprehend the material or read references.

[@CommandG0]

You mean "The IDF investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong" is not evidence that israel is innocent? Don't tell Destiny his entire world view will fall apart.

[@orensish]

Reminds me of early on in the conflict, he was spouting all these stats and dates, then one commenter said "what are the chances Egypt would control Gaza again?" And he laughed the guy off , completely unaware that Egypt had any involvement in the strip historically

[@ivanivanovichrasputin3098]

Is it really that surprising when his idea of research is literally skimming through Wikipedia articles here and there and picking out the parts that seemingly support his moronic arguments?

[@monotech20.14]

This guy ignored everything Destiny said.

[@karcarot5272]

@@orensishHe realizes it now though. I don't think people realize that as a streamer who is doing everything live you are watching him learn everything about a conflict/situation he is researching essentially in real time. He gets things wrong. Of all the "political streamers" I would say he is pretty solid about correcting himself.

[@trmartin6821]

The little I've seen of Destiny, Kyle is right about him being a contrarian.

[@smallfox8623]

Does it ever bother you that criticism against destiny NEVER brings up anything substantive or an actual argument that he’s made? It’s always meta commentary surrounding rhetoric or credentials. If he was so wrong on the facts as you claim it should be very easy to point out a single example.

[@Mastabeats1]

​@@smallfox8623Love the details provided in this interview

[@deepakkc555]

Yeah man it's annoying at this point I know all the things they gonna call him - Wikipedia reader, college dropout, ex wives bf etc ​@@smallfox8623

[@trmartin6821]

@@smallfox8623 destiny is a non factor in my life because I'm a grown up, so no I DGAF about any criticism against him.

[@smallfox8623]

​@@trmartin6821 You cared enough to comment on a youtube video about him...

[@airbag22]

Mr. Borelli!

[@joparkcat]

I think people spend to much time on Destiny and the kids that follow him.

[@perryfisto7437]

Kyle, you hit the nail on the head. I like Destiney. But he for sure will argue just to argue. And I got the same feeling with his take on this war. He just wants to take the position that allows him to debate the most. So he compiled enough information to hold his own in a debate, but he’s not coming from a sincere place.

[@christophergreen6595]

Debate-bro'd himself into supporting the worst war crimes this generation has seen. What rotten mush.

[@christophergreen6595]

Do you still like him?

[@aweshumandy]

yeah, I've often remarked that he gets fulfillment through debate on an individual level and, therefore, needs to hold it in high regard as a medium. but it really isn't bc the way the internet works as it's just about getting the dunk.

[@perryfisto7437]

@@christophergreen6595 as with most people, I agree with somethings he says and not with others. When I say I like him that’s what I’m referring too seeing as how I’ve never personally met the guy.

[@beetie1308]

And this makes you like Destiny? Insincerity is likable? 😂

[@LoveAllAnimals101]

In the digital domain, Destiny dallies with deceit, draping himself in a cloak of delusion. Dishing out drivel, he dances a dire dance, devoid of depth or dignity. But in the end, Destiny's destiny is destined to dwindle into the depths of digital obscurity.

[@zakkziegler111]

Lmao, that was quite the use of alliteration 😂 You're 100% though.

[@MrTrees77]

Oh wait, you're telling me the guy that's literally just a drama Farmer, and his entire audience is based on KFAB BS..... Surprise surprise!

[@jackeagleeye3453]

I will admit, Destiny dunked on Finklestein multiple times

[@ceoofsony5924]

No he didn't, all he did was yell and look like a jackass. Destiny needs to be forgotten.​@@jackeagleeye3453

[@donovan4222]

@@jackeagleeye3453 Average Joe Biden supporter ^

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@donovan4222 yup, I want a President that helps the working class. You got me.

[@donovan4222]

@@jackeagleeye3453 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭

[@ladowd7059]

Why the f*ck was Destiny even on that pannel? Makes zero sense, he had no value add and was consistently wrong on basic fundamental issues pertaining to the Palestinian situation in Israel

[@syuserhdfiferrgh631]

Destiny would always say something here or there to make me question him, but I gave up on it when I realized I was drifting more and more into 12 person battle royal twitch streams from his content. It’s the video equivalent of junk food that’s been rebranded and repackaged as health food. Haven’t kept up with him in years but him being bad on Gaza is no surprise, despite branding himself a free thinker you can really see the influence going to a religious school had on him

[@dez4three617]

How so? Steven is an atheist. This dude Omar debates in bad faith. IF you actually watched the debate you would know that Omar kept crying about entering the “weeds”

[@donovan4222]

@@dez4three617 Destiny lied and said that Israel doesn’t use human shields

[@LAHowell]

@@dez4three617Destiny is a self-admitted sociopath. He doesn’t care if innocent people are being slaughtered by the tens of thousands. He’s basically said “I don’t care if Palestinians die” and then walked back his comments as “jokes” because he’s a coward and can’t stand by his words. And then after Destiny’s debate with Norman Finkelstein when people on Twitter resurfaced a video of him groping some woman on a livestream, he responds by digging up dirt on Norman (some sort of transcripts) when Norman wasn’t even the one exposing him for, what seems like, him openly SA’ing someone on video. He doesn’t care about people. Everything he does is to EXCLUSIVELY grow his personal brand. He. Is. A. Sociopath.

[@Joseph-hc6pl]

@@dez4three617 I think him sending Omar a message mocking the death of the Palestinian children tells me who had the bad faith in the ‘debate’.

[@jeffanderson1708]

​@@dez4three617 yes, because there were times when Destiny would rapid fire multiple sub-topics at a time, which would put the opponent in the weeds of trying to argue each point...or try to decide on one or two to focus on.

[@jjsc4396]

Who the f🤬 is "Destiny" and why should it matter to anyone or anything?! 🙄

[@KKFCLIPS]

Krystal skipped Thursday's bp broadcast just to be with our boy ❤❤❤

[@JP-pq9xi]

Everyone on BP hates on Kyle. I don't really get why

[@odintheterridorable8097]

@@JP-pq9xihonestly a lot of them kinda hate Krystal too

[@Jacob-hk6to]

@@JP-pq9xibecause a lot of them are sagaar sycophants

[@ianma808]

lol I know why everyone hates on Kyle. He’s a progressive commentator for low information progressives. He’s an abysmal communicator… constantly making false equivalencies and emotional arguments.

[@quadruplchin]

What I don’t get is the amount of us (I say “us” because I’m a fan of BP too) were calling her a fascist because she was calling the Supreme Court weak for voting in Trump’s favor….. Like what? KB a fascist? Ok…

[@moesanjaq8129]

Omar’s video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3W7lnyPndGbZqcsi=bFiqJe5cbL6rFesZ

[@battyjr]

That WWE comment really reminded me of when Michael Brooks when on Destiny's show :DD

[@GAGONMYCOREY]

There's no shot Michael took Destiny seriously and went on knowing its a circus.

[@Sky_TeeHee]

Dang. I love how Omar articulated his thoughts.

[@PMTriox]

Sophistry often sounds more convincing than it is, that's the whole point of it. You do not have to give such people respect, they deserve less than zero of it.

[@WizardofGargalondese]

Give one specific example of something destiny was being sophistic

[@christophergreen6595]

@@WizardofGargalondese *ahem* 50 years of UN resolutions condemn the constant Israeli expansion beyond the agreed-upon '67 borders AND the disproportionate responses to Palestinian violence, including the repeated collective punishment of civilian populations. This isn't debatable, its recorded and documented historical fact. War crimes, on top of war crimes, on top of war crimes... Armed resistance is a right; and the Occupation has to end if there is to be peace, by definition. The current population of Gaza, some 2 million people, most under 18 and most of those literal children, is being deliberately starved en masse; this, again, isn't even debatable. Israel controls the borders and no food is going in. By the end of the debate Morris and Destiny BOTH CLAIMED that they had no regard for international law and no desire for outside Observers to verify claims. In fact, they DISTRUSTED the very idea. That's insane, friends. None of what I just said is false. You and yours have debate-bro'd yourselves into supporting the worst war crimes this generation has yet witnessed. You'll go down in history with the people who cheered on the Iraq invasion and later argued for torture while celebrating the 'Battle of Fallujah.'

[@ivanivanovichrasputin3098]

@@WizardofGargalondeseLmao of course there’s gonna be destiny fanboys in comments. I swear you losers literally scour the internet 24/7 looking for any mentions of your god so you can quickly jump to his defense. Get a life.

[@PMTriox]

@@WizardofGargalondese no

[@WizardofGargalondese]

@@PMTriox yeah thats what i thought, y’all got nothing

[@waltonsmith7210]

Destiny is unthoughtful and not well-read and doesn't properly understand data and doesn't use nuance.

[@tannerteague4595]

It's absolutely amazing to read comments like this when you can watch dozens of hours of research streams where Destiny combs through 100's of articles and sources, and comments on the underlying biases within each one, then releases that research document for everyone to read. Meanwhile you have Kyle repeating the same talking points for the past 10 years. The level of policy engagement between the two is staggering.

[@jeremyn4397]

@@tannerteague4595 True, but the sad other truth is that Destiny is a sociopath and has failed to make traction with the human elements of the conflict. His mindset is status quo, might makes right, and that is rather unfortunate. I enjoy following him, but he definatly has a big blind spot when it comes to dificult philosophical concepts. You can see this whenever, he talks with trained philosophers. Its not because he is dumb but he just doesn't seem that interested in acquiring those skills. Id like to see him do a research arc into various philosophical schools of thought, particularly philosophy of mind.

[@firefly9838]

@@tannerteague4595 yeah thats true... at least you see how destiny arrives at his opinions, whether you agree or not... but with Kyle, it's the same ole 4 talking points about anything almost... like I don't know why I watch him anymore. I know exactly what his opinion is on any issue will be. He is predictable to a fault because if it.

[@hochmeisterr]

Well, then invite him to the show and let's get him into a debate instead of stabbing the man from behind.

[@alexdevcamp]

As someone who's watched both Kyle and Destiny for years, I can tell you with certainty this is dead wrong. If anything Destiny is WAY more thoughtful than Kyle

[@kumagawa992]

The amount of copium Destiny fans are inhaling is crazy 🤣.

[@beebee242]

Omar is so gracious. An amazing Palestinian voice for the cause. ♥️✊🏼🍉

[@waheedsiddiq1553]

I've listened to Omar Baddar's debate...he is class 👏 👌 🙌

[@killzone866]

if he had class he would not have come off like a smug asshole.

[@Joseph-hc6pl]

@@killzone866 Destiny’s cult will always engage in the business of name calling who ever their god debates rather than addressing the points the guest makes.

[@killzone866]

@@UploadPicture-ru3bu unfortunately to have a conversation you tend to not want to act like a gigantic smug asshole. Like Baddar said he could take lessons from Marc Lamont Hill on that, and you could learn from it as well. Imagine thinking im angered that someone who wants to supposedly help his cause is being a smug asshole. Wait you are correct i am, he is actively hurting the cause. People like Hill will progress the cause. People like Baddar will not. Even here 20 minutes talking about Destiny instead of you know talking about whatever he gets wrong. Super helpful.

[@killzone866]

@@Joseph-hc6pl They are learning from the best, Norm is the GOAT at that.

[@raincadeify]

10:36 This is the point I've been stuck on after seeing the mayhem that Lex Fridman set up by seating Destiny at a table with 3 others who have spent decades studying, writing and teaching on this subject, turning it into a complete shitshow.. Destiny did nothing but wreak discord and confusion with a constant gish gallop. Why? It felt like Lex invited Destiny to spew the vitriol that HE wants to blast Palestinians with. I was also dismayed at how unfair he was as a 'moderator'. At a certain point Benny Morris took his cue from Destiny (shameful) and ranted and interrupted the other side constantly with no check from Lex and you couldn't hear most of their responses. And this, as you say, from someone who loads his rhetoric with references to love and empathy for everyone.

[@thethankfullservant2206]

Destiny is joke itself

[@derekhunter7632]

Omar's response video kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3W7lnyPndGbZqc

[@_lil_lil]

Destiny is the most bad faith "edgy teen" kind of debate bro who has decided to go full in on being the "would you, hypothetically" Ben Shapiro meme (with only marginally better takes due to being centrist and not far right). That can be fun and all, but it doesn't actually solve problems, and I'm convinced that he's more concerned about convincing people he's right so they'll think he deserves respect for "owning" other people (how's that going buddy), rather than convincing other people he's right so that they actually change their opinion a lot of the time (also he's objectively not correct pretty often).

[@chickydeston3573]

To be fair, nobody is solving anything. Good faith or not. Also whether or not you like it, his "owning" is making him money, so I'd probably have to say it's going pretty good.

[@ygt2813]

Kyle and Krystal im probably to the left of you on some issues but iv known of you since 2015 and i wanna thank you for your moral clarity on Palestine and for being honest actors who I believe speak from their true convictions always.

[@robinmc142]

This sounds so weisely Kyle PLEASE debate Destiny I'm sure he would agree to that.

[@tonywords6713]

Wow my immediate thought is that was some incredible projection from Destiny, im glad he recognized it as such

[@zipblockarchives900]

Destiny loves drama. He is a slightly less annoying Ben Shapiro.

[@MaMastoast]

He absolutely loves drama yes, but as annoying as he is, I still think Shapiro is much much worse

[@Cashout95]

Average Twitter commenter logic😂

[@richardtorres5518]

Kyle deleting comments that disagree with him 😭😭😭

[@MrSoundslikenothing]

I’ve been watching Destiny from the sidelines for a few years, his position on Israel stems from an intense hatred of Hasan. They had a falling out over Kamala Harris, and Hasan pushing back on Destiny saying its okay to say to say the N word in private. As time went on Destiny was banned on twitch around the time he said protestors should be shot, and afterwards Hasan became more popular than Destiny ever was, and a sizable portion Destiny’s KZbin content was Destiny react-hating Hasan- he’s dumb, he’s irresponsible, he’s spreading misinformation etc. He has motivated reasoning to oppose any and everything Hasan says. He’ll be right about a few things here, because Hasan also has motivated reasoning and a political agenda, but Destiny is coming from an intense jealousy and sour grapes position, because since he was one of the first political streamers on Twitch, he feels entitled to be the most successful. The more popular Hasan gets, the more deranged and unhinged hatred Destiny feels. It’s simple - Hasan is pro-Palestine, so this entire conflict for Destiny is just an opportunity for him to dunk on Hasan, and increase his media profile taking a minority contrarian position, regardless of the innocent civilian death count going up and a moral majority generally supporting a ceasefire.

[@zakkziegler111]

You hit the nail on the head. He has not a single sincere belief. Whatever he believes comes from a place of either being a contrarian for the sake of it (35 year old man, by the way), or like you said, because someone he wants to peripherally "dunk on" hols the opposing view. It's really as simple as that. I legitimately think the dude's either a sociopath or a narcissist.

[@thecanaanite]

Destiny doesn't know anything about this topic. I watched every stream he's had on this and he keeps on spewing Israeli talking points that's all he does. It doesn't actually engage with facts

[@T1000-h4k]

Why would he do 100s of hours of research on a topic if he had predetermined stance.

[@Berserk1Manga]

All these people on the left including Kyle and Krystal just cant recognize they're stuck in an ideological box.

[@AdamtheRed-]

​@@Berserk1Mangalol. Stupid take buddy.

[@thecollector6746]

@@Berserk1Manga Cry harder Ironic-Nazi that even a recently lobotomized 5 year old can see Israel for what it is.

[@kokushibyō-f9i]

This has to be the dumbest comment I have ever read. You can't debate without counter talking points...

[@AdamtheRed-]

@@kokushibyō-f9i he's a destiny simp. They're known for their dumb comments.

[@VARMOT123]

I agree with destiny on lot of domestic stuff but his foreign policy positions are lame and stupid .kyle is right about his analysis

[@celestesmith6060]

Norman Finkelstein chewed him up and spat him out...but then no one should mess with Norm. He didn't look very smart at all.

[@BDKoala]

??? Mispronouncing his name and ad homs is not exactly impressive on a debate stage.

[@TheMtl5059]

I say this every time it's relevant... Destiny has no moral intuitions of his own. That's why he relies on rhetoric and technicalities.

[@00Julian00]

Thank you guys.

[@MB-nx9tq]

I think you can hold the position that the Islamic religion is not a good force in the world and also that what Israel is doing in Gaza is terrible.

[@LENGTHEATER]

If you think Destiny is smart, you have talked to too few people.....

[@jigsoree]

Talk fast = smart to simpletons

[@zidneya]

@@jigsoree It works for Shapiro.

[@LENGTHEATER]

@@jigsoree A bit like Benny Shapiro.... Although destiny is maybe a bit more articulate....

[@LENGTHEATER]

@@zidneya yup, but right wing muppets work as long as the advertisement budget is big enough (how Ben Shapiro got his start)

[@killzone866]

its good thing i listened to two historians, one of which the other historian quoted the other a ton and was obviously one of best experts on this issue. One of those historians did not have any issue with Destiny at all. Ill let you figure out which is which.

[@PrettyTonyi]

Bring on Destiny!

[@PhreakPhantom]

Lol better not, Kylenis AWFUL debating his points

[@kimberly4275]

Why not just get Destiny on? He wouldnt say no

[@BiohazardProductG3]

That would be awesome!

[@firefly9838]

Kyle is scared

[@souljaboyisbad]

Maybe if he does the apology to kyle he said he would(if he hasnt already). But kyle would be in his rights to not accept it

[@Aless6996]

Waste of time.

[@kimberly4275]

@@souljaboyisbad He did say he went way too far tho before

[@godfunk]

Destiny has a cult following, and so does Zionism

[@arshanmostafavi9621]

Destiny just repeats what he reads on Wikipedia really really fast and thinks he’s really smart for doing it .

[@userjfudhzbqksb7374]

hes the divorced version of shapiro

[@acason4]

I disagree with Destiny on Israel/Palestine & what you just said is reductionist & demonstrably false. You can literally watch his 10 hour research sessions live where he goes through mountains of information from a variety of sources.

[@T_Time_]

@@acason4he just heard that from norm what ever his name was debate , and now repeating it as it is truth.

[@acason4]

@@T_Time_ Yeah, I know I just think it's super silly. I can't help but respond.

[@Attack_is_the_Best_Defense]

@@acason4 He films himself reading Wikipedia. 'Destiny' fans: 'him smart'.

[@robinmc142]

This guy sounds so butthurt please push back or debate Destiny.

[@anothergreenworld1477]

how dare you come after goths Kyle.

[@jaidev777]

There is debate and then there is being a debate bro.

[@robinmc142]

XDDD

[@ZeroGods4595]

GenocideJoe 😢

[@_Sayba_]

Wow just wow... 11:32

[@robinmc142]

This position you're taking is so douchy.

[@ax_ai]

LMAO! Kyle's laugh noises in the very first minute are hilarious!

[@Order_of_Chaos]

... that is called being a dishonest actor.

[@Spanishdog17]

To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand Destiny. That’s why he graduated from The University of Wikipedia.

[@airdee]

Destiny has a single IQ that he thinks by talking fast he is winning debates

[@donovan4222]

That’s the only university where they don’t fail you for using Wikipedia

[@he1461]

Excellent discussion! So glad there are independent newscast anchors like Kyle and Krystal who deeply understand the issues. Unlike the traditional media, they are not afraid to call it as they see it. So refreshing

[@hughgladeau6266]

Leave it to Kyle to be charitable, respect the dude for sure. That being said I’ve stopped following destiny altogether. His isreal/Palestine takes are the first time I’ve ever felt like he’s grifting. The ryan grimm debate was my checkout point, and the norm debate was the nail in the coffin.

[@souljaboyisbad]

Norm debate wasnt that bad.

[@hughgladeau6266]

@@souljaboyisbad who said it was bad?

[@Konnichiwacoolman]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@Ahreman_egy]

One of the most ridiculous things these days is seeing an evil youtuber like destiny getting more attention that the actual people who suffer daily and he is trying too hard to justify thier suffering

[@sly_tendencies87]

Omar always comes with facts.

[@Honkin_Chonker]

"facts"

[@aureliodelarose610]

What facts?

[@mroctober3583]

Omar calling Benny Morris right-wing immediately loses all credibility and sounds like a partisan hack. Benny morris is far more educated on this then FinkleSTain, even norm admits it!

[@sae2148]

@@mroctober3583To be honest to Benny unlike the art school dropout he is well educated on the subject but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a hack Even Ben-Ami admitted that he made stuff up to defend the Zionist project

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

Lmao

[@robinmc142]

Also Kyle's analysis of Destiny's character and political motivations could not be more incorrect.

[@Lahuman565]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@PLr1c3r]

Watching Norm shit on Destiny was a highlight of the year so far.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

More like Norm shitting himself.

[@BWes25]

The reason I went to sources like Kyle and breaking points over cable news and msm was because of the typical discredit campaigns and opponent bashing, but that’s exactly what this feels like. Only thing I gather from this is that destiny is wrong because he just doesn’t care about this issue as much as Krystal and Kyle do

[@LabGoats]

0:37 does anyone make Kyle Out of Context anymore? 😂

[@thewizardsnow]

Lmaoooooo this is Gold.

[@jordanmercier3616]

Kind of silly how Omar says he knows nothing about Destiny, didn't even know who he was before the debate. To saying he knows exactly why and how Destiny debates.

[@yurika.matsui55]

Well now he knows

[@jordanmercier3616]

@@yurika.matsui55 nah, he was pretty wrong about Destiny as a person. I understand why Omar and Kyle have that take on destiny, but it's obviously not true when you watch Destiny enough. I do hate his take on this topic though.

[@yurika.matsui55]

I watched him enough alright. He's not a serious person, just a contrarian who wants to farm drama and "win" debates by interruption, talking over ppl and gish galloping them....etc @@jordanmercier3616

[@hw9953]

Kyle should debate Destiny

[@BiohazardProductG3]

Yes!!

[@Spanishdog17]

It would be a waste of time. We can only hear Destiny bring up Likud talking points for so long.

[@Mastabeats1]

​@@Spanishdog17The opposite would be Hamas talking points, what's your point

[@donovan4222]

@@Mastabeats1 Palestinians are correct and Israel is wrong, Palestinians are resisting a genocide and Israel is carrying one out. Hope this helps!

[@donovan4222]

Why should anyone debate Destiny or give him any attention whatsoever?

[@beebizaldwin8915]

I mean as leftist we have to critique our own policies there's certian ideas we have to admit we've been off onn- I generally rocc with Leftist ideas but same time not perfect dont care if its special. Just doing my thing man lol my b if we have disagreements haha ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@beebizaldwin8915]

Thousand dollar shoplifting limitation before arrest. Makes sense don't want people getting viciously accosted an put in cuffs over a candy bar or some shampoo or what have you. Never the less people jus poppin in the apple store stealing the phones grabbing whatever they want not a good look! Not rlly practical! For the most part on behalf of how much struggle there is and maybe tht a tribute to the concept fuc it massive corps takin the money an running but then ona federal level we don't stick up when they price gouge an likely name tht as a part of an excuse-

[@beebizaldwin8915]

Okay what else. We could talk safe injection sites. Kyle's presented some good information on those I think they are mostly good however maybe some solid regulation.Or the places where they legalized everything like rlly you have legal spot selling fentinyl nahh-

[@beebizaldwin8915]

Voter ID laws I'm all for enhancing and empower democracy however I feel just so long as they aren't overly abrasive I don't see the problem. It helps when election denialist throw a pity part and go conspiracy mode to be like nah it's actually really straight forward and secure. So smdd

[@beebizaldwin8915]

I could go on. Are these centrist talking points? Idk- maybe I'ma centrist. Still want material support and a consistent uptick in quality of life for my fellow Muricans ! 32 hour weeks! Is it feasible for some companies great! Go do itt get it done! Lowering the retirement age! Fuc yah! Paid family leave double yahh. Oh wait so since I stopped only talking about Medicare for all even tho I would like to see it and think it'd be superior system and is an clearly a metaphoric tax on tea tht makes us look like morons when UK already has a single payer system in effect! So since I'm not constantly all the way over there- I'ma centristt hahah gotcha- nah I'm jus bored an rippin is all ✌🏻😁

[@grantbaker5725]

They are all just assuming that people like Destiny and Sam Harris are arguing in bad faith. To say that this is only a historical and political issue, given the main terrorist group they are combatting is an islamic extremist group, is incredibly shallow thinking. Kyle, Crystal, and Omar are engaging in the same kind of intellectual superior circle jerk they are accusing them of.

[@MaMastoast]

I don't think San Harris is arguing in bad faith, but I think they hit the nail on the head with destiny. He does primarily debate to win imo.

[@grantbaker5725]

i don’t think so bc he, unlike many of his peers online, is very willing to change his ideas about something if convinced. he’s genuinely not convinced of these guys opinions and is still defending his own opinion. the problem is, none of them can debate like he can and so they feel frustrated.

[@Zarmon79]

Let's do a hit piece on Destiny and not bring him on to defend himself. Nice MSM move.

[@TheErnieBM]

I love how he pointed specific things destiny was wrong at in his arguments and basic facts that he got wrong so we can verify them. Bro what is this ? You can’t just run your mouth saying how someone wrong and not present any arguments. This is intellectually bankrupt and pathetic . You would be laugh at in any academic setting if all you have to rebuke someone is just shallow insults that don’t even register with anybody who is not a fanatic blind for their “cause”. Please do better. I like this channel sometimes but this is some Alex John lvl of news.

[@user-bo7vv6kw9y]

Interesting and vailid observations.

[@johnalexharper]

why doesn't Kyle do more debates like that? he's always talking about wanting to grow the channel but doesn't do much to extend his reach to new audiences.

[@Honkin_Chonker]

Because Kyle would get blown the fuck out.

[@DK-nc9wr]

I 100% agree

[@donovan4222]

Because debates are garbage and rot your brain

[@peecon7]

Most debates are no longer in good faith.

[@johnniiee146]

Ikr? he should just go and increase his IQ about an order of magnitude and just get to debating away! Simple!

[@2906justblaze]

Steven/Destiny is a bullsh!t artist. He reminds me of a version of Ben Shapiro. Especially when he starts to crumble, his voice gets high and whiney and talks faster.

[@spookysilly668]

Props to Norm for being able to stand in that room with that ghoulish little weasel for longer than 30 minutes

[@PhreakPhantom]

lol the cope

[@killzone866]

@@PhreakPhantom yeah lol change Norm to Destiny in that sentence and i think they would explode.

[@spookysilly668]

@@PhreakPhantom watching him giggle while talking about the people shot during the marches made my blood boil, by virtue of not jumping over the table and stomping that dwerp Finklestein is a saint.

[@donovan4222]

@@killzone866 Destiny supports genocide and Norm doesn’t, hope this helps!

[@killzone866]

@@donovan4222 you are braindead. hope this helps!

[@Jesse-dw8fi]

The truth is if the opinion doesn’t compliment yours then they are wrong…..but how intelligent is your argument that wow they guy is great at knowing nothing about the subject…..he uses fact you use feelings and morality

[@donovan4222]

What do you think is good about Destiny’s pro genocide argument?

[@Jesse-dw8fi]

@@donovan4222 I don’t feel that he is making a pro genocide argument I don’t think he cares one way or another that’s the problem most of the arguments made are based on feelings and morality….its a war winning is all that matters in war

[@donovan4222]

@@Jesse-dw8fi Destiny is on camera saying “it sounds kinda sh*tty but I’m pro genocide, Israel should draw up its borders and Palestinians have to move somewhere else” he said in this debate he’s “not sure if nuking all Palestinians in Gaza would be a genocide” Do you think the Holocaust was “just a war” ?

[@Jesse-dw8fi]

@@donovan4222 I didn’t know that this is being called a holocaust…it’s a war and the objective in war is to win…

[@funandgames4645]

Idk why they don’t invite destiny on. Kyle says the left needs to talk to more people but they only talk to people about him. If kyles so confident and educated on the topic then debate destiny. Everyone would love to see it.

[@blahblahblahbloohblah]

Destiny might not want to or have time to. Debates are stupid tbh, you can win a debate and be completely wrong. It's fun, but doesn't really mean anything.

[@ottz2506]

@@blahblahblahbloohblahyeah I’ve come across flat earthers and 9/11 truthers who are incredibly good at debating and, if the opposition isn’t as good, would make it come across as they’re on the winning side of the issue.

[@PLr1c3r]

Giving that idiot more air time is exactly what they discussed ad nauseum in this clip, you're clearly not listening to the discussion or biased filtering the topic at hand.

[@funandgames4645]

@@blahblahblahbloohblah Destiny debates anyone. He’s said he’d debate Kyle if kyle wants.

[@Yapperofthecentury97]

Because Destiny has no credentials on the facts of the situation to debate anything other than music. He’s a sleaveball who tricks people who can’t critically think through rhetoric.

[@deanhawkings8869]

Kyle - " I didnt watch the debate but L destiny". What a absolute pathetic way to start a hit piece. Was to be fan, but this is sad.

[@chasesimons3579]

Never heard of this guy before but I am impressed.

[@briansullivan2831]

Hey Kyle why don’t u cover gang violence in Chicago and Kim fox letting em back out

[@davidbritton5627]

As a fan of Destiny I just have to say I think Kyle’s idea on how Destiny got to his position on Palestine is SPOT ON. It’s the only thing that makes sense considering Destiny’s political leanings. And it’s one of the few issues I completely disagree with Destiny on.

[@PierreAllaire]

Imagine being a Destiny fan ☠️

[@malcomgladstone]

its about $$$$ m not hard to understand

[@Draconatus24]

12:48 KYLE IS 37???!?!?!!!! BRO I THOUGHT YOU WERE LIKE 27

[@brentcole8464]

What did Destiny say that was wrong?

[@mikeh6700]

The better question is, name a single thing he said that was right that he didn’t have to be corrected on previously.

[@brentcole8464]

@@mikeh6700 What was he corrected on?

[@EricKoonitsky-bd3hl]

You're commenting on a video that repeatedly mentions the video Omar made documenting the many falsehoods Destiny spread in the debate. Several of those falsehoods were discussed in the very video you are commenting on.

[@donovan4222]

He’s wrong that Israel doesn’t use human shields, he’s wrong that Israelis have a “legitimate claim” to the land, he’s wrong that Arab states “provoked” Israel by not allowing them to steal land, he’s wrong that the “legal status of every part of the conflict is incredibly hairy”…he’s wrong that Gaza isn’t an “open air prison” he’s wrong that Israel isn’t doing ethnic cleansing, he’s wrong that “the living conditions in the Gaza Strip are clearly better than any concentration camp”, he’s wrong that “There are no laws or policies that treat different races inside Israel differently” Should I keep going?

[@brentcole8464]

Destiny said that it's not Israel's official policy to use human shield during military operations. Of course, they have a claim because it's their ancestral home, and they defeated the Arabs in 1948. Gaza is like Auschwitz. Really? Auschwitz had cafes and restaurants?

[@zakkziegler111]

Omar, a guy who was fully respectful, did not attempt to do any lame "gotcha' BS, and just said it like it was. Treated it like a conversation in which new understandings and perspectives could be gleaned. And even compliments him here, which is classy and respectable, although Destiny 100% did not deserve it. Meanwhile, Destiny is describing videos out of Palestine as "Pallywood", came into the discussion with the energy of someone that just shot speed in the bathroom, was literally gish-galloping nonstop, and then immediately screaming overtop of Omar "SEE YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION!" the moment he asks said question while Omar has barely gotten a word out in response to said question. All while violently flailing his arms around like a maniac and being overall pompous and toddler like while simultaneously trying to make insane claims like Hamas is building rocket fuel from cookies. Absolutely wild to witness. It's beyond belief that the guy has "fans" willing to defend his atrocious behavior. It really is beyond the pale. It could not be any more obvious that Destiny could not care less about the conflict. He's just a contrarian jackass.

[@paramore1014life]

Destiny's let his general bias against leftys and Muslims completely reshape how he tackled Israel Palestine. I watched the initial days of his stream and the ease he waived away Israeli state aggression while hyperfixating on Palestinian aggression was nuts to me.

[@donovan4222]

He thinks Arab states “provoked” Israel into attacking them. Honestly it’s hilarious how he sounds exactly like Russia supporters talking about Ukraine.

[@donovan4222]

@@JustDoIt-xq9pi ^Smartest Destiny fan

[@donovan4222]

@@JustDoIt-xq9pi Sounds boring, what’s your argument for why we should help Israel conquer Palestine but not help Russia conquer Ukraine?

[@paramore1014life]

@@JustDoIt-xq9pi Destiny could shoot someone on 5th Ave, do a 5hr stream researching the history of NY, and convince this guy it was justified. I watch Destiny, I think he makes good points (even on this topic). But his inherent bias is palpable and his die hard fans are just too bought into the debate bro schtick to see he's as fallible as anyone else.

[@paramore1014life]

@@JustDoIt-xq9pi and lefties can be crazy. Saying Hamas are good guys is crazy. But saying Israel is justified in an ethnic cleansing at best and a genocide at worst because of Oct. 7th is crazier. Again if you listen to him talk about the left now he thinks everyone is a pink haired tanky. By trying to distance himself from the left he's turned into a caricature of a lefty hating lib. A streamer version of Bill Mar. Being a good debater doesn't mean all his takes are good.

[@yellowantonio-nado7761]

Man these leftist infighting are just ........ 🙄 Is Destiny actually bad? Boy we are tearing each other apart.

[@botanicalitus4194]

Destiny is undoubtedly a fantastic debater, and he knows it. Years ago I used to watch him and one time he said something along the lines of he can probably win a debate against a scientist if he took the position that the earth is flat. And I agree, I think destiny could win that debate. Most people, especially experts in their field, are not good debaters. Because to gain their expertise they need to entrench themselves in the topic and understand all of its nuances and complexities. But trying to explain those nuances and complexities in a debate is almost impossible and will usually make youlook cowardly and unfocused, because debates are fast paced and unnuanced by nature. Plus experts rarely know how to talk to and teach people who are not already knowledgeable on the topic This is why debating should be left to debaters, people who are skilled at communication and rhetoric and know *enough* about the topic. Thats why even though I dislike vaush, I wish he would debate destiny on this issue

[@threecards333]

I can relate to that, a year and a bit ago i got into a argument with a flat earther on FB and he challenged me to a yt debate. I was a bit too proud so i initially accepted as i like to debate and i was coming off of a PhD in Physical chem. But i looked up his previous videos and i was like "nah dog" ( as Kyle would say) as the guy was a similar to what you discribed and as i was preping my case i mentally played out the exchanges and my mental simulation made me realize that it would have been a mess. Thus i cancelled and then blocked him. No regret.

[@DR.Triplesun]

The difference between destiny and a scientist is that a scientist actually knows how science works Destiny is a half-ass debate streamer who lacks both academic intelligence and emotional intelligence Only an idiot would listen to him

[@zakkziegler111]

@@threecards333 Zero reason this needs to be debated anyway. It's such lunacy. Instead of a debate you could've just pointed the guy to a Dr. Dave video that scientifically debunks literally every single argument they have. That whole thing is just such a waste of time and a total non starter.

[@itsjustdamian]

I always love how people like him will listen to very clear concise points from Destiny and respond with "you just don't know what your talking about" or something of the same. Without actually addressing anything he says. The same as when Norman Finkelstein kept calling him an idiot when he couldn't refute one of his points. I might actually believe destiny is wrong on these occasions if they could actually prove him wrong rather than just insulting him and coming back with nothing. The difference with destiny is he is unbiased and doesnt care about this conflict that much, he makes money either way, where as omar and norm ect have their entire careers and life's work rested on this "Israel is an evil oppressor" narrative.. its obvious that they have a strong bias... so when destiny makes a good point, they cant say good point and they cant refute it so they just go back to insults or saying that he doesnt know anything whilst not responding to any of the point, and then people call destiny the idiot. Destiny will literally say "tell me what I said that was incorrect" and then he will respond with a completely different point.. which basically just proves that he isnt incorrect because the person cant explain why and has to go onto something else.

[@RoyWhearty]

On celebrity big brother Britain, an American had given himself the nickname, 'the situation', an english comedian renamed him, 'the occasional table', I watched destiny(self-given nickname) with Norman Finkelstein and feel he should be called 'cul de sac'

[@CG-bv4of]

This is gold 😂

[@donovan4222]

My nickname for Destiny is sugarcane Steve because his family fled Cuba after Castro took their sugarcane plantation during the revolution.