Kyler Murray’s deep ball is (absolutely) broken.

Kyler Murray’s deep passing has gone from an absolute strength to a broken part of his game. In 2022 Kyler completed just 1 of his 18 deepest passes, and took a definitive step back after a promising beginning to his career. What were the ingredients to this recipe for disaster, and are there any ways to turn things around? This week’s episode use the all-22 coaches film to analyze Arizona Cardinals Quarterback Kyler Murray’s drastic step backwards in the deep passing game.
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[@AlexRollinsNFL]

What are some teams that won the draft in your opinion? (I swear to god you goons, if somebody says the Eagles, we all know Howie is Thanos)

[@purplekoolaid]

steelers

[@primeglasnow2661]

Steelers Cplts

[@Poettothemoon1]

Patriots

[@bigguy_littledude]

In terms of pure talent drafted (disregarding draft position) I think the Texans won the draft

[@willcozine3795]

Seahawks won the draft. My unpopular opinion is that the Texans made a huge mistake trading up for Will Anderson

[@yzerman123]

With DHop leaving the team, your prediction that "he won't always have DHop" has aged very well.

[@jmg999]

This is a common problem w/ QBs that have come out of the Lincoln Riley/Kliff Kingsbury school of quarterbacking. Dan Mullen had the same problem, too, although he wasn't necessarily working w/ the caliber of QB that Riley and Kingsbury had. When an offense is dumbed down to the point, where it's a single-read, or reads don't have to be made at all, it doesn't make for very good quarterbacks at the League level. This is why I'm nowhere near sold on Caleb Williams. I don't really care what his stats are in college, b/c they make it as easy as possible for him to build those numbers. I think that you said it best, when you noted that this isn't really quarterbacking.

[@jamesmarshall6619]

Yeah, from my understanding it's a progression read offense. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't prepare you as well to read coverage then throw. Kliff's offense is also a progression read offense which I think is another issue with Kyle's development in reading defenses. Kurt Warner read coverage first and that dictated where he went with the ball, Kyler has never really played in that style of offense so we shall see.

[@Ocean5ix]

Jalen Hurts seems to be developing well and he was a one read only QB in 2021. I guess it all comes down to actually being developed by a pro offense in the NFL. Back when they were looking for a coach there was a lot of buzz around Lincoln Riley to the Eagles because Hurts played for him.

[@bluehorseshoe444]

Yeah, but Mahomes is a Kingsbury guy though so.. no

[@backtoconstitution1]

Mahomes bro

[@ehleaming]

Mahomes ended up being coached by Andy Reid and sat for a year. Sitting for a year and learning how to be an NFL QB under Andy Reid was massive for Mahomes development.@@bluehorseshoe444

[@marcosguevara8295]

so this isnt even missing dhop. its a deeper issue: Murray has not developed into the nfl qb he needs to be. slinging a ball is only part of what being a qb is and its alarming that he cant consistently go thru his progressions

[@yourexmoe]

Man, having all the talent in the world won't save you in the NFL. What a great sport. Thanks Alex!!!

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Best sport in the world, appreciate you as always Moises

[@peanutpower8826]

This shows how good Lamar really is, never had a number 1 receiver and still gets it done.

[@augustkk9471]

Biggest issue with the cardinals was the coaching staff they completely failed to develop players on both sides of the ball. Let’s see if Gannon and company can turn it around.

[@j.rivera6402]

Totally agree. Kliff is terrible when his backs against the wall and his playbook is predictable after week 4.

[@cclark2021]

Biggest issue with the Cardinals is K. Murray has turned into an over paid punk a$$ b!t3h. His original contract had to have a film study clause lol 🤡

[@markhaugland4620]

Coaches don't play, they only coach.

[@blubeery3102]

@@markhaugland4620 they scheme too

[@augustkk9471]

@@markhaugland4620 They scheme and put players in positions to succeed. Hassan Reddick played out of position for Arizona for years, they finally put him at his natural position and he excelled. Cardinals would refuse to let young players learn on the job they'd rather have a 30 year old journeyman LB get cooked in coverage than their first round linebackers play. Drafted two edges and barely let them play in favor of a guy who gets cut 3 weeks later. Another example Trevor Lawrence under Urban Meyers wouldn't be the player his is today with Doug Pederson. Coaching matters and Arizona didn't have the coaches nor the management.

[@BrownBomber92181]

Great breakdown. What really stuck out to me is when you said Murray is a great thrower, but not a great QB. That really hit the nail on the head. Also that reminded me of Kaepernick. He also had an absolute cannon for an arm & could run like a race horse, but he also would pre determine a lot of his throws and had no 2nd look whatsoever.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks BB! Yeah, there are quite a few QBs like that, but Kyler is the prime example. Like the Kaep reference too

[@vincentbernal635]

Important nugget, Tom Clements was the qb coach for Kyler for his first years. The same Clements that coached Aaron Rodgers in green bay. Last year Clements returned to green bay to fill a vacancy in that position.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Good note!

[@calebcroy07]

I am super intrigued to see if Kyler can get back to how he played in stretched in 2020/21 with Kliff Kinsbury finally gone

[@lukewenberg4271]

He was so good, then dropped off. He needs a new QB coach and a better HC. I am a seahawks fan. Disappointed man. I wanted that Bird rivalry again

[@PandaBrrr]

Same dawg AZ fan here and I love those games so intense!

[@williejaquan]

Well he definitely isn't getting that "better HC" from Gannon

[@PandaBrrr]

@@williejaquan I think that is where you are wrong, he is in a way better position rn then with kliff. Drew petzing might wow everyone. New OC might pop off who knows

[@williejaquan]

@@PandaBrrr yeah a good QB coach and good OC can help. I'm just jaded about Gannon as a Eagles fan. His units don't show up in big games

[@PandaBrrr]

@@williejaquan I agree however Philly d was waaay better and we had Vance as our DC. I'll take Gannon over VJ for sho.

[@nicolasbernardini3413]

Problem with the ultra wide splits is the reciever no longer gives the qb a 5 yard cushion to the sideline. Watch any packers game and you'll see the recievers box the corners out from the sideline and give aaron Rodgers a 5 yard wide bucket to drop the ball into

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Yes!! That was a problem on some of these throws here, good eye Nicolas. The WR made some of these throws real tough on Kyler

[@EricA-kl7by]

Murray has been heavily criticized for lack of film preparation and it shows. If he continues with poor dedication Arizona will be shopping him to get into the Caleb Williams sweepstakes next yr

[@RickMcGuire-bl2vs]

@Chandler Russell Not at all.

[@greg8350]

He plays like a back yard quarterback. Refuses to learn defense’s.

[@blakeharris58]

Y’all gotta stop talking about Williams like he’s not just another Kyler Murray waiting to happen.

[@beinetunweh4640]

clueless

[@frenchtoastmaffia]

Completely agree, Monty has set the cardinals up perfectly to draft him

[@victorsalgado6742]

should do a video on how many screen passes Kliff called its crazy how much heat Kyler is getting i went too every home game & saw Kliff is the problem he looked like a deer in headlights he always called a run on 1st down & a screen or delayed handoff on 3rd & long i would literally lose my voice screaming at the sideline

[@matt7150]

It’s funny when people who don’t watch the cardinals criticize the cardinals 😂😂😂 guess we’ll see next year. How he does wit out running as much

[@XavierVictorKicks]

Now I get why they put that studying clause in his contract

[@whippoorwillholler740]

And, now the Cards have an Aero Space Engineer as their QB. Dobbs can read! Kyler is terrible in every single way.

[@jamesmarshall6619]

Kyler really struggled last year. the whole team just seemed to be in a funk from day one. Kiff seemed outmatched and burned out, Keim did a bad job of roster construction and as a whole he didn't seem to run the organization well, receivers were dropping passes, and after three years of very good progression, Kyler just looked bad. It's not that he just looked bad, he looked hesitant. Kyler has needed to mature but not sure the organization had the correct guys around him to push him to mature. New coaching staff, new system, hopefully a year of reflection for Murray and he comes back later this year wiser and better. Cards are probably going to stink this year so it's going to be hard to watch as a fan but mostly, if Kyler comes back this year we just need to see more progression as a passer, not worry too much about winning games. Get better and the wins will come.

[@ceebee312]

Thank you

[@lamarthomas5603]

So don’t draft Caleb Williams next year if you get #1 pick?

[@choosecarefully408]

♪ I'm going to say it's coa-ching ♫. Sorry, but in one video here, Alex shows everyone how easy it is to see what's going wrong. What did the Cards' staff do? Tell Kyler "to study." Well, he should be ready for that chemistry exam any time now, eh? Obviously the problems have nothing to do _with_ studying their playbook. It's execution. How did neither Kingsbury nor anyone on _the staff_ see this?

[@jamesmarshall6619]

@LAMAR THOMAS no because I doubt anyone is going to want Kyler at that contract, especially if he doesn't play well or at all. His height is an issue for some teams so they won't want him no matter what, his contract is another huge hurdle. I see people keep saying trade Kyler but ignore the huge issues with his contract, teams who might actually want him, his potential play, and fit. It sounds great in theory but the logistics are far more complicated with a lot of unknowns. I'm not entirely against it depending on how Kyler plays next year but anyone who thinks it'll be easy does not have much of an understanding of all of the complications involved.

[@lamarthomas5603]

@@jamesmarshall6619 if Caleb Williams is as good as they say he is. And you have him at #1. You take him. There is a new coach and GM. Kyler Murray is not their “guy”.

[@4chub896]

This is a critique of Klif Kingsburys whole system more then it is kylers deep ball game

[@greg8350]

Kliff wasn’t throwing the ball, or holding on it to long for big losses.

[@Zach82945]

@@greg8350 your right Kliff was scheming the plays and he was so confident he didn’t have an oc to help him

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I don't love what KK's done, but at the same time you're not going to call stuff if your QB can't execute it

[@Zach82945]

@@AlexRollinsNFL Kliff built the system around his philosophy. He didn’t adjust to his qbs skill set like good coaches do.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

@@Zach82945 What do you think Kyler does well that is missing from the system?

[@hibuddywuzsup571]

The issue is that he can't see over his O-line. Shorter qbs have to drop back much deeper and the line has to open up wide gaps for them to see. Its difficult to read defenses when you have a wall in front you. Thats why outside throws are easier.

[@furiogiunta7886]

Yeah, Murray playing without Hopkins is hard to watch. As you pointed out, he relies too much on the one on one go routes. Watching him play I get the feeling he is not a very good QB at all. Take away his running ability and he is down right just a bad QB. I believe the Cardinals made a mistake signing him to that huge contract, his game has not elevated, and has actually gotten much worse since signing that contract.

[@trevmac8362]

You got a Bee on your hat

[@mariohernandez231]

This is why short qbs are hated on so much because they can be great but for as good as they can be scanning the middle of field always seems to come up as a problem

[@BoondockGore]

Very in depth and thought provoking as usual

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks Jubei!

[@SR-wz9yv]

Excellent video - thanks for sharing. Subscribed.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks SR!

[@mikeglennon6465]

He was excellent in 2020 and 2021, which just makes me wonder if he felt that he had to be a hero and do it all for his team, hence chucking the deep balls and not playing as methodically. Its not the right mindset to have at all, but could've been the case. The cards were a disaster all year, with Kliff and the O Line in particular, so im just curious. I love K1 and hope a fresh coaching staff will get him back on the right track

[@monophthalmos9633]

"Schematically, we were kind of fucked." - Kyler Murray, 27th of November 2022

[@theactualshadow]

amazing video and breakdown alex 👏 your knowledge never fails to amaze me 😂

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Shadow!! Good to hear from you again brother, thanks my guy

[@theactualshadow]

@@AlexRollinsNFL man i love your work sm, please keep it up

[@CHASEMEJ]

It was the Green Bay game back in 2021 that ended his career! After that game he never played the same !

[@davidbucky7634]

I get frustrated when he wants to be the elite guy but his side line language is disappointing hes never looking at coverages when hes on the sideline are processing info like all the elite qbs do hes a hell of an athlete amd i like him i hope a new head coach he has more respect for can get him to make these strides in his game make him hungry to be give it his all in all aspects of being an elite QB

[@mrh3894]

5:30 into the video. I've just done more film study than Kyler Murray has done all off-season.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

😬

[@tanimal2042]

Great breakdown! Two questions… Their new OC, Drew Petzing comes from the Stefanski/Shanahan tree and Gannon will likely want them to also add some concepts used in Philly with Jalen. How did Kliff’s coaching affect Kyler and do you think the new scheme with Petzing will help at all?

[@nightmarekilo84]

Kliff kingsbiry had Patrick mahomes in college and went below 500 every year he’s horrible he’s a good QB coach tho but as an OC all he does is run screens

[@t4d0W]

I mean its pretty clear how Kliff's 'non-coaching' affected the offense overall and not just Kyler. One thing he's solid at was his mix of run schemes and Kyler as a runner helped that too. Problem was his passing game looks were too simple. What also didn't help was the quality of the O-line. They got pushed around too easy late in the games because the talent doesn't hold up against stronger defenses with better trench talent. Which isn't great if you are trying to run OR pass to move the ball.

[@Jvnior_20]

@@nightmarekilo84 fr I thought he had good plays, but dude could not playcall to save his life.

[@eastonsaccount]

Kliffs coaching has set him back, also Kyler has been running for his life his whole career. He makes that offensive line play look better than it is.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks Tanner! I think KK wasn't able to call everything he wanted to with Kyler. Kyler's limitations are going to limit any coach, but that's not to say KK was the best and the brightest.

[@ljessecusterl]

Good thing they traded for Hollywood Brown, who's a one-trick pony, and are getting ready to trade D-Hop who's the ultimate safety blanket.

[@joshuaokparaocha331]

Glad to be getting back to NFL film vids

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Me too Joshua, it's insane how different the game is. It's literally a different sport

[@greatslambino]

This is why he demanded an extension before this season began. His agent knew he was gonna suck while D-Hop was out so he robbed AZ while he had leverage

[@Crashsui]

Great breakdown this makes my views on k1 a lot different

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thank you

[@brandoncarter4918]

Alex, can you do a video on the raincheck blitz? Is it an nfl fad? and how each qb handled it.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Great idea Brandon, I'll put it on the list

[@____chris]

Need to explain this to Kyler like he's playing COD. Way too much Spray and Pray, Run N Gun tactics

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

😂

[@samd2868]

I’m a Seahawks fan, but definitely the cardinals are the only other nfc west team I don’t hate. I want the cardinals to be good again I feel bad for all their fans

[@-Thunder]

I'm a Cards fan and the Seahawks are my backup team to root for. Rams and Niners can go to hell.

[@Naomi.Robertson]

ty for the video

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Glad you liked it Naomi!

[@cosmolean]

Great analysis. Those secondary receivers are wide open in many cases. He doesn't know how to read defenses or check down.

[@Oozywolf]

That requires studying film and a lot of hard work. And it's going to take even more than the usual work because of his height tbh. I just don't know if Murray has the drive to prove the haters wrong. But he CAN if he applies himself

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks Cosmo!

[@dubstepXpower]

Great analysis

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thank you!

[@user-my4gt4qh9g]

Hey Alex! I am a long time viewer and your vids make my week so keep up the good work man!

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thank you so much Harrison! That means a lot brother, thanks for always tuning in

[@the-Albino-Rhino]

@7:27 Murray needs to audible the 2 and 3 WRs to run a rub. 2 runs right at the defender, fake a step inside then move outside while 3 takes two steps forward then runs a slant. If the CB underneath blows off his initial WR, WR has a chance to be open towards the sideline. If not, the WR3 can run underneath freely for a first down. The OC either: doesn't trust Murray to adjust, doesn't think much of his WRs, or is just outmatched. Murray isn't smart enough to change the play, and the WRs aren't smart enough to see the open ground. This is just bad all around.

[@ayewhaddupdoe]

ayyyyy someone in the comment section who actually pays attention beyond "catch? no catch ball?" .

[@royalace2271]

Coaching staff definitely deserves some blame but most of the blame falls on Kyler. Multiple reports on how Kyler does not put in the effort and work to study film and understanding concepts. The coaching staff can only do so much. Its on Kyler to study different concepts, reading defenses and knowing where to go to based on coverage. Kyler is an exception talent that got him this far. He has incredible arm talent but the fact that he doesn't know the throws to make in different situations is telling.

[@Zach82945]

So u think he just is the 4th youngest qb to pass for 10,000 and the 2nd fastest qb ever to 10,000 passing and 1500 rushing just by talent. That’s a little bit disrespectful to his peers saying that

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

@@Zach82945 He's extremely talented, I think just the next step of developing his game in other areas, and winning meaninful football games are two areas that have alluded him. Doesn't mean he isn't awesome in some areas

[@Zach82945]

@@AlexRollinsNFL obviously still needs some developing but the lack of coaching around him is a main cause of that. Look at geno smith and Trevor Lawrence after they got better coaching and play calling. They weren’t even the same player. Kyler has never had that in his career

[@Zach82945]

@@AlexRollinsNFL as far as winning meaningful games footballs a team sport and kylers supporting cast has been horrible for most of his career

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

With rule changes to try and accommodate players like AR15 or Lamar the next best this to avoid the side arm challenges is to go smaller cause they can take advantage of them. But going smaller with Murray, tua or Bryce Young will ultimately lead to breaking down early. Its just a matter of time before they are caught and ragdolled. Durability over time is problematic.

[@frankbeenies]

Not steroids. Also, new coaches. Also, there was a lot more then DHop missing last year. I think it's too soon to say that Kyler Murrays deep ball is straight up "broken". But if we get another shit season this year... PS Go Cards :)

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I'm basing it off the film and stats, I hope he improves though

[@Dubz759]

This was some good analysis, I’m interested to see what he’s looked like in the new offense. Seems like McBride is taking over the dhop role of being the one on one guy.

[@ceebee312]

Maybe that changes this yr since his OL was pedestrian or couldn’t hold their blocks for more than 3 seconds his first few yrs … thanks a lot Keim !!

[@markhaugland4620]

I'm not sure Keim is to blame for the bad offensive line. He didn't have the salary cap to hire good linemen. Keim is responsible for mismanaging the salary cap.

[@t4d0W]

@@markhaugland4620 I mean Keim wasn't as considerate drafting quality O-line either in the draft. Yet here we are in 2023 draft and Monti traded down only to trade back up for Paris Johnson Jr.

[@eugenechurch6135]

Wow it's insane watching this tape. Receivers for the cardinals literally don't even run routes, they know that murray is just going to throw it up to a 1on1 away from them.

[@ussenterprise1394]

Very interesting.

[@PandaBrrr]

Kliff went wrong...

[@thebee0320]

This in general is why super mobile QBs lose a lot against good competition. A fast QB should not be using themselves as read #2 in the NFL. Jalen Hurts is how you break this mold of running backs that throw but don't pass. He's probably the best or second best pure runner at QB in the league and by far the best mobile QB. In the mold of the Russell Wilson of old, he extends plays with his legs and then takes off if need be and won't force bad passes. Mahomes does something similar but isn't nearly the runner that guys like Murray are.

[@YanChose]

I wonder how many more years Kyler's reputation will live off the "Hail Murray".

[@harpoon_bakery162]

64% completion percentage is still outstanding. He's amazing. Nothing broken here. Just needed his batteries recharged y'all. He fine.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

For context Jacoby Brissett completed 64% of his passes this year which was 21st in the league, so it's definitely below average

[@harpoon_bakery162]

@@AlexRollinsNFL Yea, but Josh Allen was 62.8% and Lamar Jackson was 62.3, Justin Fields 60.4%, all the top 20 QB's in the league are separated by 6%. You can't say it's below average.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

@@harpoon_bakery162 I would say they were below average in terms of completion% as well

[@harpoon_bakery162]

@@AlexRollinsNFL I'll say it again, 64% is not below average, Peyton Manning's best year was 68%. Geno Smith is skewing things by having almost a 70% this year (69.9), which is unheard of.

[@RapierGold]

This video hurts but its right on 😢

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Sorry brother!

[@chrisphillips348]

Incredible analysis 🧐

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks my guy!

[@jacobfischer8385]

I honestly blame a lot on Kliff. His plays were extremely uncreative and it besically relied on Kyler playing hero ball. I hope a new OC injects new life into him

[@muhummadzohaib6317]

Ah yes A qb becomes bad when his WR1 doesn't play What a shock

[@Deuce1042]

Being good and being productive isn't necessarily the same thing.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

You cracked the code

[@tomfarrell4550]

Kyler would be a perfect flag football Olympic team USA QB. Perfect. He doesnt need to learn any plays or take a snap from center. PERFECT.

[@tdbowenmusic]

Well, a few games with him back. He's still doing this stuff.

[@obukohwoogheneakpobo3011]

They gave a d-hop merchant 240m+ They are finished😂

[@rubinortiz2311]

I wonder how much of kylers problems where do to kliff. Personally I think kliff held kyler back a lot and I’m interested to see what he will do fully healthy and with a new person calling the plays

[@Rick_Riff]

Idk man, I'm a cards fan just waiting for a new QB. I've lost hope, I want the ring the Steelers stole from us and I'm afraid Kyler will never get us there.

[@andynaz5631]

There is only so much a 5'8" QB can do. Seriously. Defenses have figured Kyler out.

[@RobotRebelCinema]

I personally don't think Kliff trusted Kyler enough to make better plays... I also don't think he trusted the receiver corp without DHop

[@RobotRebelCinema]

​@@andynaz5631 It's not about height... Kyler has been short his whole life and has still won championships and set records... The talent is there, he just needs better guidance and better help from his team and staff... No matter how big a QB is or how talented he is, he will always ONLY be as good as the team he has around him.

[@-Thunder]

@@andynaz5631 Defenses figured Kliff out. Kliff never adjusted. Gannon & Petzing are going to spend the next 6 months melting Kyler's brain on reading defenses. They've already said that in interviews. Kyler is working his butt off in the gym. He's got a huge chip on his shoulder due to all the disrespect. I think he's going to ball out after a couple games back. I'm also real curious what Clayton Tune can do with all the Cards weapons. Better OLine and solid receivers. Clayton is actually a helluva prospect. If all that fails it'll be Caleb next year.

[@azaus987]

I honestly was very angry watching this and your other video the first time but literally everything youve said in both videos has come to fruition sadly

[@prajeetchennamaneni39]

Funny that this popped up cause DHop just got cut

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Yeah, this is BAD news

[@mpleff86]

So your saying the cards should draft caleb williams and marvin Harrison jr? Got it.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Yes

[@blakemurphy4863]

Feels like that Week 11 game against the Texans (assuming good by then) might determine if AZ is looking at a QB with their own pick or if they see Murray’s deep ball be an injury/practice issue.

[@geraldmcgill7994]

Great summary, but a simpler explanation is that Murray and the entire Arizona defense has been figured out, and since they’ve been figured out they’ve failed to adjust.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Commented this a few times below, but what does Kyler do that Kliff didn't put into the offense? It's not the best coaching job I've ever seen, but I think Kyler limits what KK could do

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

Great video. The Cardinals organization have absolutely mucked up Kylers development. He needs his favorite toy taken away and to improve similar to what the Chiefs did with Mahomes (removing Tyreek) if they want him to be a future elite option at the position.

[@Am20044]

This is a goofy comment

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

@@Am20044 why?

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks Fries. I don't think they need to take away Hop so that Kyler can sink or swim, it's really on the coaches to demand a higher level of development out of him. I'm fersure team keep Hop

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

@@AlexRollinsNFL i do think this was a bit hasty. First before coming to such a decision they should see how the development goes with Kyler this year but unfortunately he is a 31 year old receiver 32 by the time Kyler is probably 100% with a large contract. Luckily they have him until 2025 but Kliff mostly only lining him up on 1 side of the field was beyond frustrating. It took away so much from the offense and made them predictable. This last year when his job was threatened it changed with hop moving around more but IDK. I get the feeling Cardinals might not like the results from this seasons Kyler.

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

@@AlexRollinsNFLwell it looks like they took away Hop lol and probably moving on from Kyler aswell.

[@loganb.768]

Look I don't like Kyler Murray either, but drew Brees was able to find open receivers anywhere. So don't blame it on his height.

[@QuentonStein-oy6nk]

Yeah that offense wasn't a fit for him that air raid COLLEGE scheme was dead.

[@c_note2892]

I will say, the mans running for his life lol

[@gaboswrld]

I’m also pissed we hardly ever use his legs anymore. Like 2 years ago when we started 7-0 he was on lace to be the 1st qb to throw for 4k and run for 1k. Then we just completely stopped. Trevor Lawrence and Daniel jones shouldn’t have more rushing attempts than kyler (not saying it’s a fact but just as an example )

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Yeah, I think it's cause he gets banged up a lot though. He had that hamstring this year

[@julianhoward4957]

5 minutes in I had to sub, great knowledge of the game

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Thanks Julian!

[@tdog1983-v6c]

What went wrong is his o line is garbage. So he can’t focus he’s worried about getting crushed

[@asmahasmalaria8596]

I think in general, a lot of the issues of the Cards over the last few years come down to bad coaching on top of bad playcalling.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I agree, but I also think Kyler is flawed for the reasons I laid out. I'd be really worried about him

[@dabneyoffermein595]

This is also a weakness of players entering the league. For example, Anthony Richardson will come into the league and his long ball will be the same thing. He will just chuck it up and pray and sometimes it will be caught and most of the time it will be a terrible long ball. Just look at the historical percentages of ALL QB's in the NFL trying to throw the long ball, it's a VERY LOW PERCENTAGE, VERY LOW. so then add that these guys are just "chuckers" (Just throw as hard as their arm will let them) and you get horrible long balls. (just like Josh Allen in the beginning)

[@-Thunder]

@@AlexRollinsNFL Kyler either balls out this year or he's gone. I actually think he's going to level up. Clayton Tune might be starting early. If that guy gets coached up he's a prototypical big, tough QB. Solid arm and mobile.

[@slowmobius2136]

Well it looks like he’s always throwing it up out of desperation

[@The_BlvckSun]

Hard to have that consistency when the roster is always on a rollercoaster of talent. Hope Kyler can bounce back.

[@RickMcGuire-bl2vs]

Plus someone took the wooden block from in front of the water fountain AND the guy that used to pick him up to get drinks,got traded.

[@dsbeats5657]

Man, I would love to see Kyler under center more. get him some actual play action and getting on the move like I’m tired of seeing Kyler Murray in shotgun every single time.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I think they have to put him in the gun so that he can see, but yeah I agree, their shit is stale af from the gun

[@sangtuy10]

That is why he has to play less gun becuz play action will open deep ball

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Well, they still run a ton of PA from the gun, but I agree that you need to run PA under center to make it most effective. They tried that a little bit this year, but it was like the only thing they did from under center so it wasn't very effective

[@anthonylombardo1261]

Seemed like very normal regression without your A1 receiver on the field, wasn’t that surprising to see. I’m more shocked on his back and fourth the whole first minute of the video is with his deep ball actually being good or not. 1-18 is clearly awful.

[@andynaz5631]

I personally think that KM has been figured out by opposing defenses.He can't see over the middle, and now he might even be limited laterally, and his speed compromized as well. Good luck, Cards.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

It's hard to imagine his career trend ticking back upwards

[@55TheInTIMidator55]

Alex, what percentage of this is the coaching scheme and what is Kyler? Would you have paid him his extension? Do you consider him a bust? Kliff wasn’t a good coach and I believe he deserves much of the blame but Kyler doesn’t use his legs like he used to and like you said, seems reluctant to play QB at times and just runs schoolyard bullshit.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I don't get why they gave him his extension a year early, this whole mess would never have happened. I think the scheme wasn't very cohesive fersure, but Kyler has so many limitations. For example, he can't really play under center cause he needs space away from the OL to see, so that really hamstrung the offense. He's always been good with D Hop, so I don't think it's KK's fault to not want to feature Hop a lot, but we see what happens when there is no Hop

[@Bossanovawitcha]

teams just took it away and forced everything underneath while rushing deep

[@jeffbosworth8116]

That's a lot of "ifs." And maybe one day fans will realize that arm strength alone is probablythe least important aspect of a good QB

[@NegroMan445]

Ik it would never happen but imagine kyler in Seattle

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I don't really want to 😂

[@gaboswrld]

Just like any other causal fan. One good year “Jalen hurts” makes you top 5. One bad year “Aaron rodgers” no longer makes you top 5

[@JJRoddy186]

Never been a fan of Kyler but this solidifies the fact he is not the future of the Az Cardinals

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Yeah, I'd agree

[@colinbunn6066]

I think the Cards tank in 2023, Murray doesn't get back on the field, they trade him for picks, then draft Caleb Williams. The experiment was nice, but he hasn't progressed in 4 years. Get the *actual* superweapon QB, cut your losses, and start competing for championships again.

[@GuRReN1495]

Whose gonna take his contract? Kyler is simply not a good enough qb any gm who takes on this crazy contract will be fired after 2 season tops

[@colinbunn6066]

@@GuRReN1495 some degenerate team will definitely bite. The commanders are definitely dumb enough lol

[@ceebee312]

Your crazy Don’t you kno ‘SC QB’s don’t pan out or produce in the pros, w/ the exception of Carson Palmer

[@CamWick]

@@ceebee312no school produces QBs if you have the chance to take a future mvp but he may bust you do it 10/10 times

[@markduran8476]

I only wish, they screwed up by paying him and would be very surprised for any team to show an interest.

[@t.k.1319]

Maybe… Just maybe… Kliff Kingsbury wasn’t the problem.

[@16ktsgamma]

Imagine if the Cardinals drafted Nick Bosa.

[@DeusRegum]

Tune will be our starter until we get a new shiny 'generational talent' QB in the next draft. Either K1 will get hurt (yet again), or he will just suck just like he has been. We'll see. I want to see how he does with new line and new offense (calling and playing from under center instead of shotgun).

[@Twistedb-]

Maybe they should've kept the "film" stipulation in his contract 🤣

[@grob887]

A superstar wide out makes anyone look good, without it he’s a shorter version of Baker Mayfield.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

😂

[@grob887]

@@AlexRollinsNFL I didn’t notice the auto correct 🤣

[@andrewfung9340]

Kyler just had so much athleticism but he just hasn’t taken the next step in his career. DHOP helped his numbers but did not make him a better QB

[@markhaugland4620]

What I hear you saying is, Kyler's main problem he isn't tall enough to see over the O-line. Your video didn't show any completions over the middle.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

Yep

[@RobotRebelCinema]

I don't believe it has too much to do with height.... He was making throws across the middle back in college... And he had a huge O-line back then as well, remember they were actually perceived as the best O-line in college football... All 5 of those guys are on NFL rosters right now... The problem is, I don't believe Kliff fully trusted Kyler, or he didn't trust the receivers to get open quick enough.

[@999.Strixx]

@@AlexRollinsNFL Great film break down there guy, crazy how you didnt put any over the middle plays yet as a cardinals fan who watches every game, right when i saw this comment and your reply I immediately thought of 3 very clutch down the middle passes hes made in the past. Cherry picked highlights to help your argument, thats crazy. Then you try normalizing DHop being there part time like bro they are both contracted by the cardinals he should be there 100% of the time like kyler. No one talks about how Josh Allen is ass the few games without Stefon diggs but diggs is alwasy there for josh allen. same with jamar, devante adams, justin jefferson, all the elite guys there for their QB but not DHOP for Kyler huh then when its one of those QB without their number 1 guy its an excuse for them, crazy how its the exact oppisite for kyler huh

[@hatuletoh]

Looks like a classic example of a player who has always been able to count on superior physical skills. Always a crap shoot when professional play is the first time they're challenged to do more than be the best athlete on the field.

[@OnlyBaylor]

Where do you get your film

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

NFL +

[@juvenilekidz]

I can’t wait to see Kyler with a new HC/ OC. Lol. Kliff was so bad on so many levels

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

I've gotten this comment a lot, all I'll say is what does Kyler do well that Kliff didn't add into the offense? I don't think KK was a great coach, but I think he gets a bit of a bad rap

[@boogidwnej179]

An ppl were actually saying this guy was better than Lamar 😂😂

[@BigG6179]

This is very eye opening. As a Bears fan I saw Justin Fields try to sit back in the pocket and read the defense even when his pocket was collpasing. He also aknowledges he needs to get better and spends his whole offseason training to work on his mechanics. For Kyler it just looks like he is cocking the arm back and launching it to D hop or Hollywood brown. I had no idea he was not reading the field. I know he is 5 ft 10, but if Bryce is able to do it then there are 0 excuses for Kyler.

[@t4d0W]

Kyler and Bryce are 2 different players. Kyler is your optimal 'I can run out to the side if I wanted to and throw that go ball to my guy downfield' type of guy. He rarely sprays it in between the numbers. Didn't help Kliff didn't design stuff for that either. Bryce on the other hand will sit in the pocket, scramble if pressure is coming his way but is willing to push it at the middle with timing and anticipation.

[@jebadaiah1228]

good thing the cardinals signed him to a long term deal

[@22vah]

Davis Mills is an excellent example of a qb playing w/o any cheat codes whatsoever...