Kyler vs Sedris vs Ludevic vs Arixmethes EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, the act of zoning your commander doesn't use the stack and takes priority over the ITB trigger. In order for the commander to be taken, it has to be something like Necromantic Selection, where the act of destroying and stealing the creature is all in a single effect.

[@rhynncrowley7337]

More common in Blink decks because Thassa, Deep Dwelling and Conjurer’s Closet permanently steals stolen commanders

[@Bammab127]

Actually, a judge ruled in 2013 that ITB would steal a commander As stated "The key point is that It That Betrays’s triggered ability lets it grab a sacrificed creature from the first zone that creature goes to. Normally, this is the graveyard. But suppose you’ve summoned It That Betrays to your side. If I sacrifice my commander and use its special replacement effect to put it in the command zone instead of the graveyard, my commander never hits the graveyard at all. As a result, the command zone is the first zone my sacrificed commander visits, and It That Betrays will fish my commander right back out of the command zone onto the battlefield - under your control! What a betrayal indeed."

[@bryceervin5598]

@@Bammab127 As of late the rules committee changed how commanders dying works. Commanders do hit the graveyard but only for a split second and then if you choose to, do get put into the command zone. So ITB no longer steals creatures from the command zone because they no longer existed in the graveyard.

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@Bammab127 That's not how it works anymore. Zoning the commander will only be a replacement effect if it goes to the hand or library. Nowadays, a commander going to the graveyard or exile will prompt its owner to choose to zone it or not the next time state-based actions are checked. Because this doesn't use the stack, it'll happen before ITB's trigger even goes to the stack, and the zoned commander will have no memory of its previous existence, so ITB can't steal it.

[@Bammab127]

@@DarkEinherjar So it hits that zone, but doesn't stay there so death triggers work, but stuff that'd target it in the grave won't work

[@TyranitarStudios]

That countersquall after the Lion's eye diamond activation was brutal

[@MTGMuddstah]

It was ROUGH

[@thengine7]

Brutal!

[@quinoacowboy]

and equally satisfying :D

[@BelieMyBurial]

hardest i've ever laughed on this channel was that 800$ dollar turn getting absolutely obliterated by a Countersquall.

[@kasualh]

Watching Shane's deck go off was great. Watching Ben get hosed with his own turn two Jin, also great. You play Jin, especially that early, anything goes. Fun game.

[@Googleflax]

While he obviously wouldn't have won doing this, Ben could have killed himself with the talisman, thus exiling the Thassa, the Jin-Gitaxias, a few lands, and preventing Shane from milling off the Mesmeric Orb. Would have 100% been a pure spite play, but I'd still have loved to see it.

[@frankschirmer9464]

I'm not sure I would have called it a spite play, but it certainly was the correct line. The spite play, from my viewpoint, would have been conceding outside of card mechanics.

[@Googleflax]

@@frankschirmer9464 Anything that doesn't actually increase your chances of winning and you do just to screw over an opponent is considered a spite play.

[@coryirvin6651]

This game is just another reason I never play Jin, he's always either immedietly taken out, or worse, cloned/taken control of and I end up being on the other end of him. He's never worth the slot.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Just run an indestructible shroud spellbook ( :

[@cclynchfilm]

Turn 3 Jin-Gitaxias? No big deal Lands in front? We’re fighting

[@ec3189]

That should be illegal :)

[@4oWhat]

@@ec3189 it is I think, pretty sure Wizzard made some rule where you have to have clarity on the board for your opponent after some controversial plays.

[@cameronc530]

It is unfortunate that Shane immediately mills a Bojuka Bog.

[@MTGMuddstah]

We laughed pretty hard at that.

[@CriticoDeNo0bs]

5:45 that single play was more expensive than my whole collection, probably

[@lushG678]

Kyler is extremely dangerous, call of the coppercoats can win you the game depending on boardstates

[@thorpate1698]

I've seen that deck absolute Pubstomp tables , It is definitely a kill on sight commander or be ready to scoop up

[@andyspendlove1019]

Lol that Countersquall after stealing his Jin-Gitaxis was beautiful 😆

[@mrzhou7685]

More front-end land players, and other crimes against humanity...

[@xSpanishManx]

excellent game of archenemy! lmao also glad you guys confirmed threshold was active! really though it's good to showcase games like these because it really shows how powerful certain decks can be - good on Shane for building a dope deck

[@heatedchill6632]

A turn 3 Jin-Gitaxias, seems fair xD watching Shane win with Ludevic was awesome for me to see!

[@thorpate1698]

Did anyone else get tilted by the lands on top guys or is it just me ?

[@Quroe_]

The best way I can quickly describe Commanders going to the Command Zone is that it happens at state-based-action speed.

[@smack80]

LED + Wheel of Fortune is like a $1000 combo. Countersquall is 35 cents lolololol

[@R3idMore]

Proving you could do stuff in EDH with any budget.

[@cinosaurus]

love to see it

[@calebtan1042]

That mesmeric orb was definitely an oh shit why for the table when ludevic necrogenius is out

[@ludwigfleischhacker3673]

Thats what u get for running jin-gitaxias :D

[@jarrybryant718]

D:

[@liddantheone]

Bringing jin-gitaxias and LED playing your lands in front. He had it coming.

[@jellysandjamz250]

Are there any Preators that don’t cause rage 😂

[@liddantheone]

@@jellysandjamz250 Plenty! Urabrask, new Vorinclex, Sheoldred. Jin-gitaxias and old Vorinclex is definitely the most anti-fun.

[@jellysandjamz250]

@@liddantheone well Urabrask is red, so does it really even count 😂 Running land shenanigans is a sure fire way to make your friends hate you

[@TheBalogna7]

For an early Jin game, this was pretty fun to watch. A lot of cool points of interaction and back and forth.

[@greekPharaoh666]

Lands in the front. Damn my eyes hurt! :)

[@fabusel6538]

Loved the Gameplay! But what i loved even more is the new background music, so subtle but relaxing! :)

[@greengandalfziggy1]

Shane and Ben putting their lands up top above their nonland permanents bugs the hell out of me.

[@Nr4747]

I immediately called that playing Mesmeric Orb against that Ludevic deck was a bad idea the second I saw it cast.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

I pulled a Ludovic when drafting and he is fun to play with! I am gonna put him in my mill deck as one of the 99

[@MageSkeleton]

i like how the deck that wanted a graveyard used the other blue/black deck's stuff more than it's own. Speaking of the mesmeric Orb was something that could be sacrificed to retain one more land. Kyler is scary without all that removal control happening from the one player using the other players deck. it the betrays really feels like a low hanging fruit though, but you can't deny how good it is.

[@lexistar8517]

Rough game for Ben, but that's how playing that greedy goes sometimes. Either win big or get stomped.

[@smack80]

Ben is teaching a master class in how to own yourself

[@dcrow9650]

Ben: I Play Jin-Gitaxias Shane: Is that for me? 👉👈 Edit: I surprised that the Kyler deck didn't use Torens, Fist of the Angels or Cathars Call. They are a low cost way to put a lot more of humans in table.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Shane: It mine.

[@CurlyHeadGod]

Ben: "You guys will have to deal with Jin" Shane: "no u"

[@kingfuzzy2]

( : oh joy

[@kieranwouter2361]

I adore the ponder pause!

[@TheGFFA]

I nearly spat out my drink when the Wheel of Fortune that followed the cast of Lion's Eye Diamond was countered. It was especially gratifying that it was after the LED had been activated, considering how the LED and WoF player had reanimated Jin-Gitaxias on turn 2.

[@davideleidi9361]

Oh my God again the lands in front horror

[@duskninja23]

Feel like you need a trigger warning when people play lands in front 🤣

[@faerie7dragon]

I wanna build Kyler so bad, there is so many fun Humans to use, just need a few cards.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

I bought the precon a while ago and lost every game with Leinire at the helm. Same for Kyler ..but with kyler I was archenemy haha. I bought some upgrades for the deck to put more emphasis on human tribal and I'lll get rid of the mediocre coven mechanic

[@coreymalensek]

Would love to see a rematch of this.

[@Havok91]

I've had a Sedris reanimator deck for almost a decade so it hurts to see the deck get so heavily blown out. My deck has NEVER felt great to play as it's just a general reanimator good stuff pile, and it hurt to watch another Sedris deck get blown out so heavily. Even though my deck didn't often lose, it never won due to, or even WITH Sedris so now I'm changing the deck to add more spice by making it a themed deck built around the story of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or the Modern Prometheus.

[@diarrhearulz]

Would blinking Jin put it back under its owners control?

[@MTGMuddstah]

It depends on the wording of the blink. Thassa says it comes back under your control, so it'd work in the way it did in the game.

[@diarrhearulz]

@@MTGMuddstah the more you know!

[@spidermansdonkey]

Wouldn't it have dissapeared since it was a token that left the battlefield?

[@DoomGuyDestructotron]

@@spidermansdonkey Ghouls' Night Out doesnt make them tokens. It puts the actual creatures onto the battlefield and adds Decayed to them.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hope to see some spicy jank ( :

[@Quroe_]

OJ's playmat is something special.

[@thelunchlady8276]

The sleeves were nice, too.

[@TheSuperdave800]

Honestky been looking for a solid non pure white human deck. This might take the cake, even if the Simic player in me loves that deck more

[@GIANTCADET]

This was a fun game of two headed giant!

[@andrewrockwell1282]

I live Kyler and Adeline is the best card you can put in his 99.

[@Minecanusia]

What a cool game. Thanks!

[@Arutima]

That mesmeric orb was the worst play ever against a deck that wants to mill itself.

[@horseasaurus2940]

At 7:15, doesn't Shane take 22 damage? I thought you sent Adeline and 2 tokens at him. Adeline's extra tokens come in, giving Kyler 3 counters, pumping your humans. So you end up with Adeline at 10 power (7 creatures plus Kyler pump) and three 4/4 tokens heading at Shane. I think the original 2 tokens were forgotten, unless I missed something.

[@Kazz1187]

Jin gitaxias doing Jin things, absolutely brutal

[@joshrobinson2409]

I have a meren deck that can win on turn two I'm really proud of that one.

[@morrius0757]

This was just a bad match-up for Kyler, if there was a rule zero I wouldn't have even considered running that deck. Kyler needs A LOT of protection to run because he's one of those Commanders where they have a big red bullseye.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Lesson of the day: don't get greedy, especially when you see blue on the other side of the table. Also, don't broadcast to the table that you're about to bring Jin-Gitaxias on your next turn, and don't bring it at all if you suspect your opponent is running reanimation as well.

[@zacknair6202]

Feels good because it looked like Ben was bringing a much higher power deck than the rest of the table, or at least a lot more expensive deck.

[@middknight5202]

Everytime I play Mesmoric Orb with my graveyard deck somehow someone else benefits way more from it. Greedy play with so little lands and a hopeful LED. Also I dont get how Ben didn't take more than 16 from Adeliene and 6 tokens swinging in getting buffed by Kyler by 3? Did i miss something?

[@delasvegas9644]

Those who live by the Jin, die by the Jin

[@guyatanosavia8487]

That early Jin was greedy, playing against opponents who all have access to low curve targeted removal and slowing your own ramp early when you're not green or an artifact deck is probably not the play imo. But hey, sometimes when you see the crazy play you just gotta make it and I get that. I think it would have been better to build up more of a mana base or wait until you have more answers you can utilize

[@josephtarmey6020]

I love mill my gyruda deck is probably my fav deck I have

[@leet9548]

Trust me, Kyler's a beast of a human themed leader. I was rooting for you but as win cons go...

[@sloanmurray6799]

That countering the wheel in response to the LED activation was pretty...cutthroat, I guess, but also a great play I cheered at, and I'm usually the guy who actually likes wheeling for reanimator purposes.

[@maxbodifee3263]

Ban Shane 🔨

[@hrocxvid]

Yeah… only thing I’m going to say is Jin Gitaxias is a double edged sword

[@Millus1987]

at least Lab Maniac has a very good flavor in a Ludevic deck

[@thesxex]

you miscounted damage like every time you attacked with Adeline

[@DrFrogman]

Who hurt those guys with the lands in front? The only reason i can see is to tilt other people😂 thats everything but practical or is there any other good reason to play like that just to do it different than its normal? I mean it works tilting me, just not the best sign if you wanna do that on purpose imo 😂😂

[@MTGMuddstah]

That's how they learned to play.

[@DrFrogman]

@@MTGMuddstah at first i thought my screen is funny or something 😂 Well fair, still its confusing to play half this and half that way

[@DrFrogman]

@@MrNemitri dryad harbor or something alike, dont know how to spell it proper

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@DrFrogman Dryad Arbor, yep! That's the one.

[@wixxer66]

I think it is an clear rule that the lands take there place under the creatures and other stuff.

[@ChuzzPuff]

Man! I can’t believe that you’re already inviting celebrity guests on to play Magic with you! To play with the one and only O.J. Simpson would be a true honor! I’m jealous

[@kevinkennedy3643]

Ok Ben was way too agressive. And y would u play a card to Mill someone that's actively trying to mill

[@MTGMuddstah]

He was also trying to mill

[@kevinkennedy3643]

@@MTGMuddstah ok fair point. Just really was playing incredibly reckless and hoping no one had interaction.

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@kevinkennedy3643 Yea, it was an interesting play. He was also pretty hosed after that one counter on his greedy play.

[@jessedotson5998]

I’m pretty sure that because It that betrays does not specify RETURNING a sacrificed permanent under your control that the sacrifices permanent never hit the graveyard, without a commander changing zones Shane should have gotten kyler

[@DarkEinherjar]

With the new rule, the sacrificed commander hits the graveyard, then immediately moves to the command zone the next time state-based actions are checked. It will no longer have any memory of its previous existence, so ITB can't steal it.

[@jtizzle450]

oh geez i know this is the dumbest thing, but how does one play magic with lands in front of your other boardstate.. would drive me insane

[@MTGMuddstah]

That's how they were taught back in the earlier editions.

[@cresty]

Anyone who puts one of the original praetors in their deck deserves to have them stolen and used against them haha

[@ThomasEbel27]

Jin constantly warps games. No ifs ands or buts. If he manages to survive, that's it. Game over

[@mikecarrozza91]

Anybody mention the lands on top yet or am I that asshole this time?

[@DXD504]

Screw thassa's oracle but lab man is cool.

[@Khiash]

what kind of psychopath plays with their lands in front like that..?

[@Customerbuilder]

Lands in front...ugh!

[@kevinholmes3587]

why do people play with lands in front 💀💀💀

[@jarednadler5211]

When you sac Kylar Shane would have gotten it. It that betrays does not care where the permanents go after getting sac. If it goes to the yard, exile or command zone it that betrays will drag them back

[@liamw.1313]

That’s incorrect. Kyler gets sacrificed and goes to the graveyard. It that betrays trigger goes on the stack. Before that trigger resolves, the commander rules allow Muddstah to move his commander to the command zone. The trigger no longer sees kyler, since it has moved zones.

[@jarednadler5211]

@@liamw.1313 oh ok I'm still remembering the old rules before the 2020 dies update.

[@glasseagle8368]

lands below creatures

[@Optimator7]

You need to get these land-in-front clowns out of your life immediately

[@coachgonzalezpg1742]

I’d rather someone play Jin Gitaxias against me vs play lands in front

[@ErikTheRedd1]

This was like the most miserable game

[@dougnapier6441]

rule zero should be no lands in front, just looks bad for a video that will be seen by thousands for one meme joke.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Alternatively, I could let people play how they want so that both the players and most of the viewers have fun.

[@dougnapier6441]

@@MTGMuddstah If we ever play I will form a hexagonal shape for my land distribution, surrounding my deck which will be in the center of my playmat. I will embrace the aesthetic chaos you allow to the maximum.

[@shallow2479]

Classic blue deck ruins the game for everyone just to end up losing. Cringe