Nekusar vs Kyler vs Ramos vs Xira Arien EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@TheWaffleDad]

Ben's deck was absolutely brutal, and not really in a good way. What an unfun deck to play against

[@lighterknot4385]

I don’t know why but it bothers me when people play their lands up top

[@aleksandarmarkovic7190]

1) Adeline triggers when any creature attacks, so Shane missed a lot of triggers. 2) Mending of Dominaria shuffles the graveyard into the library afterwards, so he couldn't get back all those cards with seasons past like he did.

[@BadCookies1234]

It only triggers one time. But still, he did miss triggers.

[@andrewrockwell1282]

I saw that Adeline and thought it was over and then was heartbroken when the time s didn't pop in and finish it.

[@ramensobatv]

This is what I also thought. He could’ve attacked with hanweir militia and get 3 humans at first. Then there was a second time where he could’ve had more triggers. Shane could’ve won.

[@morrius0757]

@@ramensobatv Adeline only triggers once, but yeah, he missed chances where Adeline would trigger. Why she triggers once is because she says when you attack, not when a creature you control attacks. Meaning she doesn't care about how many creatures attack, only that you attack.

[@ramensobatv]

@@morrius0757 yes. 3 humans, 1 for each opponent.

[@Felhate]

People who play with Lands in the front get targeted immediately for elimination. I don't care if it is a casual deck. You have chosen death lol.

[@gypsieking3280]

If you think that is bad you should see the diagrams from my 4th edition rulebook. They have a Northern Paladin with a single plains on either side and a Savannah lions to the right of those three cards all in the same row. The horror! :D

[@AvatarKira]

Can't stress enough how much Adeline players need to pay attention to her ability. She triggers when any of your creatures attack, not just her. A lot of value lost on that one. Could have potentially changed the outcome of this game.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch. I'll definitely watch out for that moving forward.

[@TheTriforceNinja]

Ben's deck looked incredibly unfun to play against and it was also incredibly unfun to watch. Am definitely rooting for a Kyler deck to pop off in one of these vids, as well as Ramos!

[@edkolbe1850]

Shane could have taken out Ben turn 9 if he remembered the Adeline trigger and alpha striked him. Humans would have had +6/+6 and with three attackers and only one blocker he would be out.

[@stevenbuck4090]

Disagree, I enjoyed it.

[@bwallaceMLG]

It’s definitely a deck that you should be clear what your intentions are with it but I wouldn’t call it “unfun” it’s very fun with the right table

[@mr.oddyst]

@@stevenbuck4090 I also disagree as I also enjoyed this game a lot.

[@HotSaws11]

YUP! These are the types of players that I immediately erase on site.

[@Malus9804]

Nekusar is one of my favorite commanders and I’m glad to see him here! Ben’s deck and that Obliterate, however, made this game extremely boring halfway through

[@thomasgaillard6713]

I agree, the game looked fun until it turn into boardwipe tribal. The rebuild was brutal for the Kyler player!

[@oz2362]

Casting obliterate and then not having an immediate plan afterwards to end the game is the most shitty thing you can do

[@Havok91]

I have to agree with everything in this thread. I really just don't enjoy seeing everyone's progress wiped off of the board and would rather see how everyone's deck plays unimpeded.

[@miketripp9375]

i think shane missed some adeline triggers, since she doesn't have to attack herself

[@shekki3192]

And vigilance

[@stevenshafer2817]

Being alright with lands in the front but disliking the white border lands honestly cracked me up. Thanks for the game today

[@kingfuzzy2]

Helps you find the 3 basics in ur deck.

[@krotash7740]

Two big missed details altered the outcome of that game. Adeline triggers whenever you attack, not Adeline herself. The extra damage on Ben would have been enough to take him out before he assembled the Mindslaver lock. On top of that, the third chapter of Mending of Dominaria shuffles your graveyard into your library. Ben would not have been able to Seasons Past that pile back.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catches!

[@MM-lv7iy]

I mean, you could argue the plan for obliterate was the saga, but yeah, a little slow to be a game closer sort of thing.

[@ryanwillson2751]

It's how my Windgrace wins. Depends on the play group tbh

[@Matthias-pj6th]

Obliterate -> MIndslaver Loop just feels like such a bullshit way to win...

[@jamespooh2]

@@MTGSavage Yeah but that's just creates a bad dynamic with the wrong group. Just be upfront about what the deck does and if the group doesn't like it, don't play it.

[@faerie7dragon]

Adeline has vigilance... Why do people keep tapping creatures with Vigilance in Muddstah's presence? Truly a mystery!

[@kingfuzzy2]

To establish dominance.

[@Adrianovaz2007]

The Deranged Outcast slap onto the table shows how stupid the game turned after Obliterate+Tainted Aether, I would've scooped and moved tables at that point tbh.

[@thelunchlady8276]

You and me both.

[@morrius0757]

Deranged Outcast does a lot of work in Kyler decks if you know what you're doing.

[@Ger3214]

Don't be a Ben. That is a new motto.

[@mosthatedlivestream8120]

i feel like people play lands infront to try and hide what they're doing.

[@nielsverbunt950]

Lands up front, mass land destruction and no win con in sight, sadness. I wouldn't want to play with Ben. Do I even want to watch these games anymore?

[@coachgonzalezpg1742]

Land Destruction needs to be a win condition, my dude played obliterate and the game went on for another 10 turns

[@sp00derssp00d]

It was a win condition. He was behind, so he rest the board knowing he could recover better than the other decks. That’s what board wipes are for.

[@A3Nargi]

The moment Ben started looping boardwipes out of his graveyard, the table should have collectively acknowledged the incoming BS and turned their focus. Players like that earn a reputation to be targeted first, regardless of the commander.

[@Tyranitar-hd6hi]

Agreed

[@kristopherwatts9466]

It was a great game.. just.. not really entertaining to watch after the obliterate.. and I suspect not that fun to play the however many turns it was until the game was finally over

[@scabman1]

I'm so happy to see someone play Urza's Guilt! Such a good card that I never see played!

[@pauldyson8098]

I've been meaning to build an all white-bordered Xira deck. I need to get on that.

[@connorl0204]

The only time i have manor issue with mass land destruction is when you cant close the game reliably after doing so.

[@saidinstouch2186]

I agree. It really drags out the game otherwise.

[@Dioliolio]

People really need to read Adeline.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hope to see an insect tribal value deck and the sick Ramos deck do something.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Man that insect tribal deck is some pretty darn sick art.

[@fredouellet3160]

It's the first time I see someone playing xira arien. Melissa Benson was my favorite artist when I started in the mid 90s. I recently decided to build a deck with her at the helm. Though the concept will make you sick, it's a fully white-bordered deck! It's quite a challenge, but I will put a lot of nostalgic cards and have a tokens/sacrifice theme (with what I have access to). There will be vaevictis asmadi as an alternate commander to be even more vintage with an original elder dragon at the helm of an EDH deck, what a concept!

[@eirvandelden]

Instant like for the Reboot reference! I got your back, I got the reference halfway through the first sentence :D

[@gnemish]

who hurt this Ben guy?

[@packfiend3732]

Can you mutate vulpikeet on animar with prot from W?

[@ericriner9425]

Mutate targets, so looks like no.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Sadly no.

[@smack80]

He did have a full plan for after the obliterate: his deck. He has a deck that can rebuild after an obliterate and hinder opponents from doing so. If I wanted to see him immediately win I'd watch the Thassas Oracle games on the other channel.

[@greatbrandini3967]

Yup, he had an Indestructible mana rock and a fist full of lands. That Obliterate was completely fine and he was in a position to capitalize on the follow up with that black enchantment

[@wooders2206]

at 0:59 for Ramos opening hand, what Sol ring is that?

[@AnticlimacticPangolin]

Really wanted to see more of the Ramos deck, but I guess ill see a full board reset instead 🥲🥲

[@swrodgon]

Pretty shitty ending, was hoping the Ramos deck would get a win. Sucky ass mld and blowing up everything.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I think I got pretty close to winning!

[@danielwilson7227]

Nekusar deck list?

[@admiralJONK]

thanks for the “lands in front” trigger warning lmao it actually drives me up a wall

[@aricaric1894]

Ben's deck was so boring and cheesy.

[@AidanWR]

I know she's a little expensive, but have you thought about adding Sigarda, Host of Herons to this deck?

[@brettsutherland8390]

Love your ramos deck and that Sol ring alter!

[@blackmountain1983]

Haha reboot, I haven't seen that show in years, and even though I have seen every single episode I still didn't get the joke until you told me haha.

[@00GhostSlayer00]

Thanks for the warning but you didn't say they were white boarded lands in front, I was not prepared for that

[@jedholloway4081]

Don’t usually expect this kind of play from the players normally featured on your channel. Ben really highlighted the super “fun” parts of magic. Would highly prefer not to see his decks again…

[@davidmbrewer95]

You sound salty

[@victorcardoso6111]

Where did you get the Van Gogh Sol Ring????

[@OodustwindoO]

The music makes me think of the have Vandal Hearts... that's a long forgotten game

[@chaoticrevenge7950]

Lands in front is a crime against everything

[@kingfuzzy2]

As Richard Garfield intended.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I would argue playing white bordered lands is a bigger crime.

[@chaoticrevenge7950]

@@MTGMuddstah both are a crime

[@Tehnameless1]

@@MTGMuddstah I'll play my white bordered lands in front without sleeves on the pavement

[@gypsieking3280]

@@Tehnameless1 with our ante cards?

[@ivernedit]

Built a ramos mutate myself and excited to try it out soon.

[@chimneyimp1486]

i already added yesterday before watching the video adeline and kyler to a deck. can't wait to see them together in my games

[@TxarlesN]

Oh, yes. The fist game of the year.

[@blakem000]

Boy, that is a cruel Xira deck!

[@TheBalogna7]

I thought the whole being ok with lands in front but drawing the line at white bordered cards comment at the end was pretty great. It is always interesting seeing what random things trigger MTG players. The amount of cringe in this comment section for example. Either way, this was a pretty cool game up to the Obliterate, but even after that, seeing Ben's deck rebuild so efficiently was interesting. Keep up the great content!

[@jasonL287]

Ben should have been given a game loss for playing his lands up front 😂

[@Threadoflength]

At least he made an effort to display them clearly, unlike that heathen Shane who put his lands in front as a giant messy wall.

[@RickvantHof]

Reading Mending of Dominaria next time helps

[@kyubbiman2255]

You gonna update your Ramos list?

[@Punintentionally]

Not sure if this is something you’re considering for Ramos, but I am building a deck that cares about targeting my creatures and these are ones I use: Stormchaser Drake Triton Fortune Hunter Gnarlback Rhino Goldspan Dragon Gargos Viscious Watcher Gargos is especially nice since it doesn’t care which if your creatures is being targeted and just leaps into action.

[@zachharrell7776]

Bro, what is that sol ring, I want one!

[@DrexSinister]

Yeah this one gets a dislike from me. I don't understand how it's fun to play with and against decks like that.

[@darth_prentiss]

RIP NEW SHANE. Love Nekusar. Would love to see more games with that deck. 💜🕺🏻

[@gahbunk]

Stay frosty!

[@HydraQU33N]

Ye, dont liek the obliterate and repeatable mindslaver, kinda gross and hope not to see that deck again

[@meatrace]

Ben's constant card flicking drove me nuts.

[@josephandrees5381]

Regardless of how somebody feels about lands in front, if it's going up for content, keeping things consistent for all four players is better for viewing.

[@David-tq2cm]

more games with land in front jesus christ, but yet was a good game to watch!

[@kingfuzzy2]

As Richard Garfield intended.

[@F3A5T]

@@kingfuzzy2 yeah but they banned it from tournament play for a reason. Its more difficult to watch.

[@hgod7152]

i hate people who do this

[@kingfuzzy2]

@@F3A5T I bet they were really fun at parties

[@pierredupont1096]

I love seeing my friends Ben and Shane on this stream, but did Underworld Dreams not live through Obliterate? I was kinda skimming through.

[@MTGMuddstah]

New Shane was dead by that point I believe.

[@sadizz455]

I appreciate the Reboot reference.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

New background music?! sweet.

[@shayneweyker]

Let me know the next time you plan to play both Shanes. I want to play too and see what the edited game sounds like. :-)

[@commongentleman529]

More Kyler gameplay please, just built it by mashing a coven counters and ruthless regiment deck together, then spending £/$10 on midnight hunt singles 👌

[@thomasgaillard6713]

I just orderded the cards for Kyler, the deck seems so fun! And it's really cheap, given that Coven Counters got a bad rep, all the good pieces are less than 1€, talk about budget decl!

[@ingolf82]

like I said on that other Ramos video, you seem to have 2 cards missing in your Ramos deck, there are only 98

[@MtendoTheSkunk]

It hurt me to watch you (Andrew) to not use the Crystal Shard to bounce either Xira or Kyler back to their hand on turn four when they didn't have 1 mana to pay for it. D:

[@MTGMuddstah]

Ooooo, good eye! I usually save it to protect my Mutate stack though.

[@jonmagic1123]

So, I have mass land destruction in every deck. But I only play it when I'm winning the game. That way no one is sitting there not having fun. I just mass land destruction so they don't have answers and then i just win the game from there.

[@kingfuzzy2]

The true aggro wincon.

[@saidinstouch2186]

That's how mass land destruction should be used.

[@smittynumber1812]

Ben really playing a "never get invited back to commander night" deck

[@ifnrok]

Ben seemed like he really was trying hard. He was shuffling his hand so much.

[@oz2362]

Yeah all his mannerisms screamed try hard

[@WickyGames]

Idk how it is meant to be pronounced, but my moms name is Arien and it is pronounced like Aaron or Erin.

[@tetrisgoat]

This video is really triggering my deep hatred for alters.

[@kingfuzzy2]

What a relief.

[@ahtari]

Boo this man and his game stall. This is the kind of person who plays lands in front

[@vincentaponte5726]

Literally spent more time trolling the comment to like all of the comments showing dislike of Mass Land Destruction/Ben's deck than watching the whole video. Great game up until that point and I wanted you to win so bad after obliterate!! Please not again with the game resets.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Twelve turns of NOTHING after Obliterate... this ruined the game for me.

[@falformfreeform9553]

Haven't seen a Nekusar in a hot minute lezzgo!!

[@plain6677]

Very good game! Some Adeline’s triggers were missed. Love the Obliterate

[@edkolbe1850]

With Kyler out there was an opportunity to take out Ben with those Adeline triggers before the obliterate.

[@guitarmuser6150]

I'm new to Magic. Not complaining, but I'm genuinely curious why these people play their lands up front? Is this some sort of strategic decision to obfuscate or sort of hide what's going on with your board state or...? I learned from a WotC tutorial and even they say to play your lands back, close to you etc. What am I missing here?

[@MTGMuddstah]

It was how some people were taught at the inception of the game.

[@guitarmuser6150]

@@MTGMuddstah Ah, ok. How long ago might that have been? I have not seen or even heard of this sort of thing in my MtG community. Some of the people I play with are over 10 - 15 years into the game.

[@guitarmuser6150]

@@croatoan8394 Hm. Well, maybe that's why I never see it at my tournys. One of the points each table gets is a "sportsmanship" point that's voted on by the table. I guess with that kind of attitude, they're pretty sure they'd never get a chance at that point. LOL!

[@KidsJavo2088]

people who use the lands use the lands in front of their creatures, enchantments and artifacts should start the game with 20 lives, xD

[@briankettenbach984]

First game baby

[@dominiciannucci5217]

This might have been the least fun to watch game on this channel, yikes

[@jaka1748]

So, who's gonna tell Andrew that it's 'Vulpikeet' and not 'Vulkipeet'?

[@kingfuzzy2]

It's definitely peep peep or pspspsps

[@BelieMyBurial]

literally what is the logic behind 'lands in front', other than to just rile up viewers? lol the cards that actually impact the game should be in front where the other players have an easier time seeing them and your boardstate in general, whereas lands are gonna statistically be tapped/untapped more frequently than anything else, so you'd want them closer to your hands.

[@MTGMuddstah]

It's how they learned to play way back in the day, and no one at the table minded it.

[@BelieMyBurial]

@@MTGMuddstah i mean, i wouldn't kick them off the table or nothin, but yea, just weird to see lol

[@Rabbit3]

Crustal shard doing work

[@avatarofpapermagic]

New Shane? Surely you guys can come up with a Nickname? Shane-o, Shim, Sham, S-Man

[@Thalrion]

Ben is the kind of player i wouldnt invite to play magic anymore. Such a horrible deck

[@sinistermind33]

Resetting the game after knocking someone out is arch rival status

[@jchadwick4918]

I’m a simple guy; I see Xira Arien, I leave a like.

[@gilligan6868]

The college kids at my LGS needle me for playing with my lands out front. It's just the way we did it when I started playing (1997.)

[@kingfuzzy2]

As Richard Garfield intended

[@johnaych8954]

i dont mind watching games with lands up front, but playing with them is annoying because it's important to be able to see peoples board-states clearly

[@gypsieking3280]

Represent!

[@polkjio]

shame its against the rules in organised play now though - not too bad to look at if all players do it - but not when half the table does it - makes the game horrible to watch

[@garethsentry]

I started playing at 5th edition and I've never played with anyone who did it, in competition or otherwise, seems weird when you need to see the cards your opponents are casting not their lands.

[@rexone9564]

Best Ramos video?

[@primeascendant797]

Seemed like he had some kind of plan with The Mending of Dominaria. Maybe not executely perfectly but that's the nature of the format. I don't have a problem with MLD as a meta-response to the ubiquitous ramp decks. In fact, ramp decks should really have the least problem with MLD--they just have to ramp less aggressively and hold on to a ramp card or two with which to recover. It could encourage players to play tighter and lower their curves. I know saying that is heretical in a format where people seem to only be ok if you're playing some form of combo/ramp, but I think everyone benefits from learning how to deal with different axes of interaction. If something really does become oppressive, then sure, deal with it socially, but try to solve things in-game first.

[@aintenoughroomforthetwoofus]

I think it was pure chance that he drew mending.

[@jaymack9199]

HAH. Best intro yet.

[@ramensobatv]

I was really rooting for Kyler but Shane missed a lot of Adeline triggers. Shame.

[@michaelrichards5253]

Very cool game. 😎

[@lucasbuff8451]

Very nice humans deck

[@BadCookies1234]

I feel bad for Shane. He did NOTHING that game. Played a couple dudes and passed his turns. It was sad really. An that Obliterate play is SAVAGE. Breaking unwritten rule #1, dont mass wipe lands. Brutal game with a mindslaver lock at the end.

[@williammcantire]

Mass wipe of lands is ok if you win the game right there, 10 more turns and it just makes for a bad experience

[@TiltedHound]

Thay obliterate was disgusting, lol.

[@guitarmuser6150]

That Obliterate card really ruined the game for me. Possibly more for the actual players though. To each his own, but I'm glad I don't play cards like that. There's a couple of people in my tourny community that try to play cards like that (Armageddon, etc) but it seems like 8 times out of 10, they get countered. We know who has those types of cards so we tend to save our counters/responses specifically for them. lol.

[@stayathomedad4830]

My kyler humans deck has gone off one time. Every time after that I will be everyone's target no matter what playing that deck lol

[@MTGMuddstah]

Deck can be EXPLOSIVE, that's for sure.