THE BEST COFFEE THINGS at Host Milan Expo 2023

[@LanceHedrick]

nice! I chose not to cover the varia nor the rocket, so I am glad you did!!

[@LanceHedrick]

nor the eureka nor compak haha!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks lance! I didn’t cover the varia, but had some time to play with it at the booth.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

That means you didn't really like em?

[@simonramsberg2277]

If the mazzer actually launches at ~1000€ it will definitely be the most commercial/professional looking grinder in it's price range. Very excited to see you review it!

[@KyleRowsell]

Can’t wait to put it through some testing. It’s very hefty. I’ve got some thoughts already but will hold for the full review

[@Val_Smith]

Different finishes, popcorning like hell, no blind burrs, the case is way bigger than the burrs need, the use of trunk is questionable.

[@jeffkingston5857]

Feels a bit like a dud to me from a home grinder perspective, seems like they are aiming at the commercial single dosing market (not sure how big that is).

[@Shinshokuful]

​@@jeffkingston5857it's actually quite big now, especially for small shops with little volume that can't justify buying several grinders to have different beans sitting in the hopper for weeks. I know I'm considering one for the shop for extra so/decaf 😅

[@dtonpbac]

Nope. Option-O/Weber grinders are much better, more premium/thoughtfully-designed.

[@sebastianbjoernestad]

I went myself and saw the Heylo Espresso machines. Amazing tech and in my opinion, it is much more innovative and industry-changing than anything La Marzocco has done the last 10 years!👏

[@tatemazer]

Eureka has a cool idea with that new UI for setting target brew time! Will love to see how well that works in practice.

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah same. Pretty great for their commercial line as well. Especially for helping newer baristas.

[@francescoandreussi]

Absolutely! Even just adding a rotation counter makes the workflow so much more in line with competitors...and without loosing their traditional look-and-feel! If they had a Specialità Single Dose with the screen, and swappable burrs for good measure (I didn't understand if they're offering different burr options only for the Pro line of nor)...they would've hit the jackpot!@@KyleRowsell

[@quaxie]

@@KyleRowsell & Tatemazer I am more curious as to what Eureka did for the retention and shute. I find the current rubber boot allows too much blow by.

[@GrimmBakeryAndCoffee]

Love the casual 'coffee over caffeine' ethos plug. ☺ Thanks for sharing some of your experience at HOST. I hope to get some of your coffee here at home soon!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! And you absolutely should.

[@ziptiefighter]

The Eureka segment caught my attention. Hoping to see if they're incorporating ionizers/plasma generators to minimize static. No mention in that regard :/

[@yiannistyropolis6974]

Thanks for the tour! Interesting updates on the eureka grinders. I hope its not the final design on the oro single dose pro...the knob needed an update but the design looks completely outdated and an afterthought. On the opposite direction is techno and specialita with the screen indication. I hope at least they refine the oro dial even if they keep the same idea (rotation indicator etc). I like the updated cleaner body of the oro without holes and buttons and the heftier portafilter holder on specialita and techno.

[@topjets5616]

Can't wait for the Eureka tour, great video Kyle :)

[@KyleRowsell]

Can’t wait to show it!

[@ziptiefighter]

I'll hold off on my new espresso grinder. Wanting an upgrade for my Eureka Classico. Priorities: QUIET, good grinds, no static mess, aesthetics...in that order. I'm leaning hard towards a Zero...but will see about these new variants.

[@arianyazdannik968]

Nice video Kyle. Helped with the FOMO of not being there a lot. Hope you feel better btw.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks Arian!

[@TomTheWise_]

When will the Single Dose Pro be available and for how much?

[@berndawg84]

That EK43 Omnia looks absolutely incredible!

[@rohanlg790]

Love the first mazzer Grinder, although for 2023 I feel like they should be using blind burrs, especially if they are manufacturing them in a house

[@DANFELLOWScoffeecocktails]

Love this video, Kyle. Thanks for showing me things I didn’t have chance to see, despite being in the same room!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for being apart of the video for a brief second! Ha

[@DANFELLOWScoffeecocktails]

@@KyleRowsell Haha, I did spot that! Great seeing you there.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Nice to see the big companies finally innovating a bit and competing with all the random startups and asian brands that have been taking over the single dose home market! I was hoping Eureka would be doing a 65mm grind by weight machine (or 75mm+) Nice to see they finally updated their dialing in system, nice new features there!

[@SD-sq5mc]

Drooling over the Rocket coffee machine. Me wants!! Will have to sell a kidney lol😂

[@KyleRowsell]

Yeah it’s not cheap. But defiantly an impressive machine

[@ritaweygint4038]

That Mazzer grinder is beautiful… And Eureka espresso machines!

[@KyleRowsell]

agreed, both are very nice.

[@BillB33525]

@@KyleRowsell looking forward to test reviews of the Mazzer & EK grinders

[@braxtonjens7839]

Great video! So much fun to see all the new things in the coffee industry! The LMLM is finally a machine I think could thrive in a pop up, light commercial duty. ANY machine WO volumetrics for this use case isn't a viable option for me.

[@KyleRowsell]

Agreed, the new volumetrics will be game changing for many

[@kylemabbott6601]

Thanks for this! Hope to see a Mazzer Philos deep dive soon! Looks like only their burrs and no variable RPM for that one?

[@baileymanson493]

How dope would it be to see a cute little custom mic foam with an umbrella logo on it 😉

[@KyleRowsell]

Would be prettttty rad

[@paulzarganis]

Awesome video! Many thanks!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@benjaminbutton3476]

The coffee stuff was cool but that audio track was the best part 😊

[@KyleRowsell]

🙏

[@cesarquintero1180]

Banger video and nice reporting, loving it! ❤❤

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@c0mbat15]

The Mazzer Philos looks like a more beautiful Timemore Sculpture. I thought it was going to cost a lot more than €1000.

[@danieltu3062]

The Varia Vs6 def the most interesting thing for me, but am def super interested in the new rocket bicocca as well

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes, I got to play with it but never had the opportunity to film. It’s interesting!

[@ziptiefighter]

I was unaware that a VS6 is coming. Hopefully it doesn't have a separate power block. Cuz that's a dealbreaker. I do love the look of the Varia VS3 though. Just scale it up and give it an ionizer to negate static.

[@True60RS]

Lots of amazing products on display! I’m looking forward to hearing your reviews on all of the new stuff coming out

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@tarekz9992]

What about ECM? Any details on their replacement for the Synchronika? I'm curious if they added electrical heating to the E61 group head

[@MrJakob125]

Awesome video Kyle! I think i spotted an orange bianca. Anything exciting/new coming from Lelit?

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes but not anytime soon it seems. We’ll have to wait a bit longer.

[@alexwilson27]

Great video as always Kyle. Still waiting to get my hands on one of those coffee over caffeine shirts!

[@KyleRowsell]

They’ll be back

[@mikecoffee100]

Almost as good as being there Thank You

[@KyleRowsell]

My pleasure

[@jtcmlooman]

Thanks, great video!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@nickkom7866]

Very nice coverage !

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching

[@roberteisenbach2289]

I really liked the acs falcon l prototype. Nothing fancy but for the targeted price point amazing entrance into the prosumer machines

[@Ddiakova]

That Mahlkönig Omnia grinder is just a dream.... I am seriously obsessing over it... I am planning of opening a small cafe in the very near future and I am wondering what grinder to get, because honestly - griding is the last thing I want to think about if things get busy, and this bad boy looks completely amazing even if I decide to scale up at some point.

[@KyleRowsell]

Agree! I think the promise of what it can do is very intriguing.

[@MahlkoenigGrinders]

🥰

[@meat_loves_wasabi]

Using a picopresso … would love to see more compact quality espresso devices that is easy to use & clean for home use … a flair pro 2 mini would be lovely

[@erikdebrabander8174]

Did Lelit bring out an updated version on the Bianca? Let’s say the v4? Hopefully they will bould a better display to work with. Next year i am in for a new setup. So, grinder and dual boiler espresso machine! Keep up the good work on the channel!

[@aadammillerr]

Is there an estimated time that we can expect the new Eureka grinders? Specifically the Single Dose Pro and Freestyle 75?

[@KyleRowsell]

Many are soon! by Q2 2024 most will be available.

[@c0mbat15]

What I love is that some manufacturers seem to have woken up to the fact that they really need to start innovating. However, I'm really keen to see what is coming out in the consumer rather than commercial space. Particularly with coffee machines rather than grinders (which we seem to be getting to thr point of saturation now?). For example, Sage seem to have been going in a worrying direction of building grinders in to all of their machines lately. They have almost concluded that there is no more innovation left for them to do in terms of brew quality and are now just looking to offer convenience at multiple price points. What I find weird is the lack of competition under $1000 to the Sage Bambino Plus. Where's all the innovation guys!!?

[@zacharyshaul]

I want Breville/Sage to come out with a 58mm version of their barista express/pro/touch/impress models as well as the Bambino/Plus range of machines.

[@rjScubaSki]

Surprised the mazzer was 64mm burrs, looks huge!

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s beafy. 13kg too!

[@BillB33525]

@@KyleRowsell That grinder is definately Cafe ready for heavy duty use.

[@lostinAR]

Couple new grinders I would love to see you review. Gevi Grindmaster, and Mx Cool Aries.

[@0whitestone]

The Mazzer grinder looked really cool

[@KyleRowsell]

Agreed!

[@JusBThankful]

Regarding the Rocket, what is a fully saturated boiler? Like a coil or canister housed inside the steam boiler that acts as the brew boiler?

[@Val_Smith]

The WPM grinder had easier way to get to burrs, similar to Aries. It also had a magnetic shut and knocker similar to Lagom with a Ionization technology. You should check it out.

[@Persason]

Question is if the SSP burrs will fit in these eurekas.

[@JMHorta]

I'm really happy to see that Ascaso launched de H64, a home grinder that really fit with their home line. Simple but very impresive in person. Best

[@gibbions]

Great vid - did you see the Atom W65/75?

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes I did! It’s in one of the clips

[@mapleridge8]

Black on Black Blue Jays cap?!? Godamnnn

[@pvtghost24]

Searching for a new grinder. I'm between the Lagom Mini, DF64 and DF83. Prefernce of sweetness, pronounced tasting notes and less bitters. Thoughts?

[@KyleRowsell]

For filter?

[@Ry_Rides]

The standard mignon with the better dial would be ideal!

[@jankoch267]

Man, now I kinda want the new EK grinder but my parents will absolutely murder me if I buy this for my 15g a day grinding hahaha

[@KyleRowsell]

seems reasonable to me.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

It will grind that 15g in like 3 seconds :D

[@cvayas.]

Did you get a chance Kyle to checkout the superkop stand? It looks like a fascinating manual espresso machine.

[@KyleRowsell]

I believe I did but hard to recall, there were many booths with many names ha

[@rwh1949homer]

I am concerning replacing my Sette 270 that I use exclusively for pour over or drip coffee. I thought the features of the Eureka grinders sounded great but maybe too expensive for home use for filter coffee. What did you like for such use?

[@jacquesguillotte3270]

Why don't you use your Sette 270 for espresso ? You can add even 2 shims to it. It works fine with me.

[@michelleflint8389]

Was looking to buy a Libra grinder, but may wait for the new 65mm anyone know when they may be available for the UK

[@KyleRowsell]

65 is a brew burr version

[@michelleflint8389]

Thanks a lot for that i wanted it for expresso, i may as well get the present one@@KyleRowsell

[@chrismccannIRL]

Eureka was very interesting. I'm about to pull the trigger on a new grinder. Was weighing up The Eureka Oro, Eureka Mignon Libra or XL and now having seen these new models I think I will hold off for a Eureka Oro Pro or Techno, Libra 65 or even one of the Specialita with the screen which I think is hugely efficient for dialling in the coffee. Any thoughts on what I should get - espresso drinker only a couple times a day and don't change bean type often. Thanks

[@KyleRowsell]

Specialta up seems to be a great option in my opinion

[@Persepolis8564]

I am really looking forward to seeing the Lagom 01 I saw the prototype, but I think the final version is out

[@KyleRowsell]

I’ve done a video on the 01!

[@Persepolis8564]

From my understanding, the one you reviewed was a prototype and the final version has a few changes and improvements

[@Val_Smith]

So Eureka has 55mm MP burrs, or are those options only for 65mm?

[@georgiosmelidis5213]

Should I go for the df or should I wait for the philos? 😢

[@cod3nam3]

rocket: "we talk about a completely new coffee system, of coarse we talk about dual boilers" 😀. I mean at least it's not a e61, so that counts as innovation.

[@DriftaholiC]

See any stovetop steamers? Always wishing for an upgrade to my Bellman.

[@haroldfinch_]

You really seem to have missed the „Mikafi“ home roasters! Would love to have heard your impressions and opinions about it!

[@Caffeine.And.Carvings]

Def would have loved to see more Profitec. Still, nice vid to see whats coming

[@KyleRowsell]

I was there and got some footage but nothing was groundbreaking for me to film. Mostly updates (very welcomed!).

[@jayvillzTV]

Does anybody know if the Profitec 300 is getting a update?

[@kptnkaoz2203]

i want reasonable priced grind by weight grinder for home use. the new libra looks okay but im still not quite satified witht he dial and the portafilter fork.

[@Glormpo]

Interesting that compak releases a filter focused grinder with a cone. I’m interested. can you infer anything from the shown psd?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Conicals can make great filter coffee too, As long as they're not using the same Mazzer burrs as the Niche Zero because those don't seem so great for filter!

[@JonFairhurst]

I will likely buy the Mazzer Philos. My first nice grinder was a Mazzer Mini with doser (clunk-clunk-clunk.) I "upgraded" to the Niche Zero, which has a much nicer workflow, but from day one, I didn't like the loss of clarity. It's my daily driver for espresso. If the Zerno was a normal purchase, I would have bought one already. I don't like the DF designs or bellows. The Timemore grinders seem to have touchy adjustments, with too coarse a thread. The Option-O and Weber grinders are too pricey. Compared to the Zerno, I'm assuming that the Philos has similar quality/alignment, but we will see, after some reviews. I like the design of both and the prices aren't great, but acceptable. I prefer the smaller footprint of the Zerno, but the Philos' large size makes it very quiet. A lot of people criticize the rear adjustment, but I love it. One can clean the Philos without unscrewing the threads, or even touching the adjustments. Keeping the coffee far from the threads keeps them perfectly clean. For adjustment, I can always pull the grinder towards me, if needed. Realistically, there are two adjustment cases: a big adjustment when you change coffees or brewing styles, and dialing in. For the big adjustments, I need to see the dial, but for fine adjustments, I should be able to do it by feel. Having a finger on both the body and the adjustment ring should help it be very precise. (This is why I didn't like the adjustment handle on the Mazzer Mini - can't do precise adjustments with it hanging out in space.) To summarize, the big advantages to me are a normal, commercial sales approach, a quiet experience, precise adjustments with that big ring, and easy access for cleaning. The possible advantages for Zerno are the blind burrs and small footprint. Which will produce better flavor? I don't know. Even after the release and reviews, I won't be able to taste the coffee from either, until I make a purchase. Looking forward to April-ish.

[@jeromecote245]

Thanks Kyle. Can’t really attend those events but nice to see what’s coming. Pretty excited about all of those grinders even though I think this market is going to be pretty saturated (and confusing) soon… Just Eureka that probably has more than 20 models… the Rocket you’ve shown is the think that excites me the most as a potential replacement to my Lelit Bianca V3…. Have you seen anything interesting about Lelit or Victoria Arduino? Thanks again!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching! Nothing new at lelit but always watching and listening!

[@mbmann3892]

I saw a coffee machine with AMG! I want it

[@KyleRowsell]

Yes, the ECM

[@michaellopez-lq5fn]

Ah I love this. You both very nicely display the peak of “fitness” build and maintain a body that can perform the activities YOU want. For me this solves the motivation problem with “exercise”. So often people are caught in the idea of a mindless painful hamster wheel. If you are really into some activity and the paradigm of your training is centered around being able to do more of what you love better and with greater longevity the sets and reps have more meaning than just checking another box and needing a trainer to try to keep you accountable and motivated.

[@johnl.7582]

Espresso nerds: Never buy a Sage/Breville, those thermoblocks are nothing but trouble. Rocket: we added a thermoblock. Espresso nerds: shut up and take my money!

[@jaked.757]

Any new thoughts on meticulous?

[@staglite]

Did ECW launch anything new at this show?

[@bjuxtapozd]

Did you say "bonjour" from Italy ??😅😅😅

[@OneIdeaTooMany]

Whats are the specs on it? How much power does it consume? So many questions...

[@KyleRowsell]

On what?

[@trojanhman8136]

I really like the new modern designs. I am not sure about the electric computerised systems or the use of magnets but quality seems to be improved. I really think this industry needed a kick in the butt. next step has to be working to significantly reduce the prices. Technological be used to improve the product but it's primary purpose is in reducing prices. I understand the industry doesn't want this but you look at the economy, their industry will die on the vine if they don't.

[@cliffcox7643]

That Mahlkonig was Q U I E T

[@MagicLover822]

First time i heard “Bonjour from Italy” in the intro i was about to lose it

[@boazwu9304]

the new EK is so futuristic

[@KyleRowsell]

What part is most interesting to you?

[@Val_Smith]

It truly looks like a great design. The grind size configuration through gui and Hopper switching are the best features and I like the portafilter holder attachment on magnets.

[@jawn_1086]

Hi

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey

[@s96822]

nice to see the strada x striving to be decent.

[@KyleRowsell]

But it'll last in a commercial setting ha.

[@s96822]

@@KyleRowsell but the synesso decent clone can for approx 1/2 the price

[@newtonpeskin154]

The new Fiorenzato All Ground Sense

[@paperythinideas]

Eureka's lineup is too complex! My favourite was also the Mazzer.

[@anadrol9934]

@KyleRowsell Waaa are you lifting ? you look so big !

[@Dogdrulezz]

Everything is IoT. I LOVE IT!!

[@SpektrikMusic]

I hope that's sarcasm, adding crappy software to things that doesn't need it makes it more expensive to make and repair.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Compak Fino = Niche Zero but for Filter Coffee? 😮

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

The 064 from mazzer look very rad but not as the df niche 0 from compak 😂

[@LoayOmari]

Is Eureka going to make an electric car at some point too … what is wrong with them

[@vasilikonstan]

Bro walks around a convention with a cold, doesn't wear a mask, and then proceeds to share his microphone with other people 🤦🏻‍♂

[@hebabrander3074]

Bonjour Kyle, j’aimerais offrir une bonne machine à café à mon fils. Peux-tu stp me conseiller une qui fait un excellent espresso. Elle ne doit pas être trop grande car la cuisine est petite chez lui. Le prix n’est pas important mais une excellente machine qui m’importe. Merci beaucoup pour ton aide 🙏

[@rgav388]

No one talking about ACS, or Sanremo, or Victoria Arduino. Heck, even Lelit…

[@KyleRowsell]

Only so much you can fit into a video! Had to be selective

[@fstjeanm]

No one told rocket we’ve been using weight for years to measure output?

[@greysuit17]

Replace the Slayer!!!!

[@KyleRowsell]

I don’t know if I could. But 1000% open to adding a La Marzocco to the bar.

[@greysuit17]

@@KyleRowsell hehe jk but… I do know a cafe that had Victor Arduino Eagle One and their new location got the La Marzocco PB and everyone behind the bar said the PB was hands down better. Makes me wonder about this new 20k addition. Anytime I walk into a cafe with a Slayer I do freak out a bit and start acting like a total need though.

[@mikele7982]

Wait! 0:23 daddy Hoff?

[@KyleRowsell]

No, I missed him by one day. Didn’t fly in until Saturday night.

[@handshake883]

Haha why do you sound like Rick Ross :D

[@KyleRowsell]

Had a cold!

[@dakotagunnar]

What burrs are sitting on your workstation back there? 🧐

[@KyleRowsell]

Mizen 98mm

[@leroydorenberg295]

A plastic cap on such a very expensive grinder is strange

[@danielpepper5728]

He did mention it was to enable wifi connectivity.🤷‍♂

[@zziiqqiiaann6545]

Did anyone acutally watch the mazzer grinder why is it so clucky. No blind burs Grind adjustments at the back???? And the weirdest answer to a knocker is a brush? Wuttt????

[@derkrodermond7491]

How to say you’re an American, without saying you’re an American: bonjour from Italy

[@KyleRowsell]

I’m Canadian

[@joabjoelhernandez2114]

@derkrodermond7491 and he said Buongiorno

[@nobodyspecialjusteric]

I'm not into the electronics aspect. Kitchen appliances with complicated interface, like my new toaster, are not going to last decades like the simple button switch version it replaced. I would prefer to see more innovation in mechanical & more basic electrical stuff, like a variable speed/torque DC brushless motor, anti-static and minimum grind retention.

[@KyleRowsell]

On which grinder?

[@quaxie]

Eureka, well about time they copied the 3d printer crowds. The shell looks the same so maybe be able to steal some newer parts.

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s great to see them listening and implementing from the community

[@wrxzboost]

eureka added an adjustment dial in the most horrendous looking way - jesus christ. does eureka employ any designers at all?

[@KyleRowsell]

I like it. It’s big, but I think it’s very functional. But that’s just me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@marcin.sobocinski]

I am amazed by the attitude of the Mahlkoenig guy, so conceited, like the whole company...