Proper Italian Coffee Compared to Australian Coffee

We visit Caffe Pasticceria Cucchi in Milan Italy to see how a proper Italian Cafe and Baristas are making coffee compared to how we make coffee back home in Australia.
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[@kanga1234567]

Italian coffee culture with their bars, dress and ambience absolutely nails it.

[@rubenbanuelos2699]

You see all those guys with their fancy piston self-leveling tampers calibrated to precisely 30 pounds of force, then you have this italian barista tamping mid-air like it's nobody's business.

[@crossmission]

Dark roasted coffee like Italian espresso doesn't benefit as much from proper tamping. The grounds erode so quickly and extract so much faster. The lighter the roast the more important it gets as it resists the extraction from the hot water. That means you want as even flow as possible, relatively slow 1-1.2gr per second, spread over the puck the best way you can.

[@SoftNoize]

@@crossmission you coffee snobs are becoming more autistic than the wifi fanatics. And they are completely unhinged. 1.2 gr… FFS

[@sandipthapa526]

@rubenbanuelos26299 it's not 30 pounds. it's 15 pounds of tamping.

[@crossmission]

@sandipthapa526 traditionally it's around 30-40 pounds of force or 11-12kg I believe. It's all "kinda" nonsense but it helped give context when you push your hand down on an actual scale. Don't make me convert pounds to kilos it's been a while 😀

[@sandipthapa526]

@@crossmission it's 30 pounds traditionally. modern day barista uses 15 pounds of force basically.

[@SeshwaChickenKebab]

Those "croissants" are not croissants, they're called cornetti. See Italia Squisita for the difference.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes, thank you. They are delightful 😋

[@SeshwaChickenKebab]

love your work mate@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters

[@bartdeking]

In Australia and New Zealand they have no clue about bakery to be honest. Lots of other great things about Australia New-Zealand btw!

[@bazsingh6220]

No latte art was produced that day, just beautiful coffee ☕️

[@myname-mz3lo]

mid coffee by people that do not care . those awards are there for tourists . i am in france and french do the same with food . other countries do it better now but they are clinging to it for tourism purposes

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

@@myname-mz3lo That mid coffee tasted better than 90% of the lemon battery acid I've gotten in so many so-called "specialty" coffee shops in the US and Canada, and which take 10 - 15 minutes to make.

[@atticustay1]

I don’t see beautiful coffee. I see low quality coffee made with very little care. Why do you hate latte art? Lighten up a bit for goodness sake.

[@earlmyname4257]

​@@atticustay1U tell me where is the low quality? The service is unpeccable. Not like Australia. The hygiene of barista is top class not like Australia . The steamer not clean straight away it s because they make 3000000 coffee a second and it doesn't t make sense clean it for every coffee made not like Australia.the coffee taste I assure you is amazing 70 arabica 30 robusta.not like organic coffee in australia. The price is amazing not like Australia. So what are you talking about?

[@user-bj9fs4kt9w]

As an Italian, I loved you introducing the Italian way of enjoying Espresso/Cappuccino. Great Work!!

[@williamstone1536]

Fantastic! I really love this video, and thank you so much for producing and sharing it. Man....watching those guys work was a treat in itself! My mind's made up; wife and I are going to Milan on our next vacation! Thanks again!

[@victorceicys7140]

Luke, I remember Australian Espresso experiences much like this during my youth. Was born in Geelong, then lived in Sunbury when it was still rural. At least once a month, my Dad would take my Mum and us on a family shopping trip to "the city", taking a steam train (yep, steam) to Flinder's. After our shopping and maybe a cinema, Dad would usually take us on an explore to some cafe or "milk bar" to experience an espresso/cafe latte or even to visit some new Greek cafe before returning to our Sunbury home. This was so typically 1950's and 1960's Melbourne, and the cafe flavors of the time became very much ingrained in me, as is usual for children, as exotic tastes to be savored...yes, real Italian coffee/espresso and of course even the occasional Chinese Gooseberry from a market.. Of course, the cafe coffee experience in Oz has evolved and changed over the subsequent decades....yes, different.....but maybe not as exotic as remembered from my childhood. Then several years ago, prepandemic actually, my wife and I were in Rome, jumped into a small local, non-tourist Roman cafe on our way to the Vatican Museum. The cafe experience and the espresso was like a priceless, so enjoyable, so memorable, much like a trip back in time to the tastes of decades ago Melbourne. So your tastings in Milan, and the pastries enjoyed, definitely evoked pleasant taste memories for me of the Italian Cafes and Greek cafes of long ago Melbourne. I still prefer the darker roasted beans typically used then, decades ago, and which I grind now for my own espressos, occasionally alternated with lighter roasts in pour-overs and espressos. Dark roasts are still my first love. Thank you so much for your brilliant video. Bravo, cheers. Grazie Mille.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Thank you, it really was a great time tasting espresso in Italy, yes it’s different but so is coffee all around the world. I’m glad this brought back memories for you. Being able to show this helps others to understand what world coffee is like, and perhaps appreciate what we have in Australia. There is a lot of opinions on this style, but really it’s where it all began and for our parents this is what they may have experienced and shared with us as a child. Cheers luke

[@IHATENOTIFICATIONS]

What a wonderful story! Thanks for sharing 💙

[@victorlow2901]

The energy is just incredible.

[@kirsty_iso]

Infectious isn’t it

[@kirsty_iso]

As though u are actually there with them all and the space

[@Lowen78]

Love the style, tradition and the food. Just gotta love it and enjoy the whole experience which you did of course. Nice one.

[@RichMaciverPhoto]

Kudos for not simply bashing them for their fast and loose way of making coffee. A thoughtful and considerate observation at Italian coffee culture. Really enjoyed that 😊

[@EagerSnake]

I've been living in Italy for two years. They don't have coffee culture. They just believe they know better than anybody else. There are some places in the big cities where you can find excellent places, but the vaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority know nothing. The regular people just buy a kilogram of ultra processed coffee for less than 2.5€. So, yeah. It's really hard not to say something bad about the "Italian way". And some of my family is Italian, but yeah.

[@79Potarex]

😂 i can confirm we think that… fortunately our convictions continue to be discussed forever…

[@giovannimoriggi5833]

This is a channel for coffee experts, so maybe I can say something about your comment. Because Italians are not all the same, and the traditions are so much. There is a huge amount of variations about coffee, most of them are local, but this story is not just about coffee. The fact is that there are several cultural facts in the land and into the society, to the point that there is a sort of image of uniqueness, which is often true, but can also be a general heritage, something from the past. But when you live in such environment, you can't deny some genius will came out, and that's what Italians know better than anybody else, for sure in some society where the people struggle with culture. For sure it's not hard to say something bad about the Italian way, because you know perfection doesn't exist. But it's even harder not say something good about the Italian way, which is so appreciated in a lot of matters. Don't get me wrong, I respect you showcasing your experience, but being an Italian is so hard, because the many levels of Italian culture, try to understand the struggle. And by the way if there's no coffee culture in Italy, please do educate me letting me know who has it (not even espresso, but at least a modern country…). Grazie, ciao @@EagerSnake

[@mrianrock]

@@EagerSnake Italy doesn't have a coffee culture? Give ya head a shake. Coffee culture in Italy is massive, it's literally a part of every day. Your "average" Italian coffee eclipses pretty much every other countries "average coffee" and they are everywhere. Sure, if you want artisinal coffee you have to search, but it's there. Don't forget, there are quite often local laws on how much you can charge for a shot of espresso in Italy. This is why you might not find a moustachioed c**t wearing dungarees with 18 months barrista training, taking four hours to pour l'espresso perfetto.

[@Elektero]

@@EagerSnake no coffe culture, yet everything is about the coffee products invented in italy. i also thin goyu don't understand what does it means culture. There is no coffee culture as strong as in italy. The coffee is like that because people want it like that, tasting like coffee.

[@ta04trf]

I love the Italian espresso bars, it's like a time warp to years gone by. Thank goodness that specialty coffee has made progress in the field of extraction.

[@marcoac-sx6lq]

Italian expresso is 1 euro at most, not 5 dollars

[@rioriggs3568]

@@marcoac-sx6lq Maybe $1.50 in Milano or more for tourists lolll

[@manaidaylutongbahay]

I love the vibe of the Espresso Bar

[@bluemystic7501]

That was a really fun video. Thanks for sharing.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ChristianMercadoAcevedo]

quite informative. Great content my friend!

[@arbousiersles7381]

Thank you so much for sharing! It's nice to see different coffee cultures;)

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Glad you enjoyed it! We love making this one, a long journey to see what espresso culture is all about. Cheers luke

[@susantaylor5068]

Un meravigliosa barista cose veloce (fast) e ogni caffe perfetta ☕️👏buon natale tutti 🎅🌲

[@gabocosta3373]

Excellent video, one of the best I have seen. I was transported to Milan for a while. Greetings from Argentina-

[@tngap0001]

Good work mate, looking forward to what you fellas have learn’t & implement or not whilst over there, really interested to hear more.

[@alansaxon]

I was in Milan in the late 80’s…. Loved the espresso culture there. Looks to be the same even now. But it did inspire me. I craft my coffees at home as the Australians do, but occasionally I will use a very dark roast and reminisce!!

[@Transformerbarista]

Great seeing different cultures and coffees, love their dress code! Love Aussie coffee making. But I’m mesmerized by how quick he churns them.

[@CH-yp5by]

The dress code is a plus!

[@earlmyname4257]

In Australia U order a coffee .... And you forget it cos it s served at least with 10 min. In Italy max 1 min U have it

[@Caesar-pj5kc]

Merry Christmas 🎄

[@spektrograf]

There's something wonderful about experiencing coffee in various parts of the world outside of our specialty point-of-view. While I don't pull espresso in that style at home or use the same roast level beans, I loved every espresso I had in my travels to Italy. Coffee in Japan from one of the many small roasting shops in every neighborhood is the same-very different from the global specialty coffee movement. Experiencing these things is just part of opening our minds to learning about other points-of-views. Thanks for filming this and sharing! (…and wow do those baristas at Cafe Cucchi hustle!)

[@Ilay.5502]

Тоже про это подумал)🤝

[@yvescrepeau5955]

I visited this cafe in late September, I was impressed to say the least . Very good and fast workflow

[@atticustay1]

How was the coffee?

[@Robert.Magdy.]

I hope people see this short video and appreciate how much care, hard work & professionalism we put into the coffee here in Melbourne. Great video gents

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Australian coffee is very progressive and respected around the would as innovators. Keep it up all! Cheers luke

[@rifraf170]

And Australia wide

[@ricardomontalbanjr1943]

Progressive, huh? Next thing you know we’ll be referring to it as they/them.

[@simonuren660]

😆 Especially in Melbourne

[@iv4nGG]

Is this city of Melborno, Italy?

[@ingenijkerk9631]

It's really fun to see! I'm from holland, live in italy for 2 years now! Started drinking coffee only 3 months ago and started working in a bar 1 week ago where i have to to the "caffè " 😅 That's why i came across your KZbin channel! Helped me a lot but also noticed the big difference between what you are doing and what Italians like..... I'm so enthusiastic about latte art! 😍 every day I hope for a lot of cappuccino clients! 😁 it's ashame I can't add a picture here of my result so far! Far from perfect but so fun to do!

[@surplussingapore5221]

invu! bucketlist for most of us. this video moved us to a dream coffee experience closer. thanks for sharing!

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@robinkemp6845]

I love the ties and waistcoats. It made my mouth water

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Ties and wiastcoats make your mouth water? They're clothing items, you don't eat them!

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

The barista is working insanely fast puck prepping on the air! Lol Nice video and thank you for bringing us to Italy!

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Our pleasure! It was so much fun to experience this and share it with you. Cheers luke

[@LL-yf9kp]

It's also speed-up in the video ...

[@myname-mz3lo]

no he just doesnt care . over there barrista is a job like working at the super market . just for students lol

[@jasonvespa7452]

Great vid! Thanks.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Glad you liked it! Cheers luke

[@omarferrer3188]

Much has stayed the same with Italian espresso tradition especially the passion. I hope to one day visit this beautiful country.

[@loriosterweil982]

I prefer the coffee in Italy.

[@lyndonlives638]

Much respect for the way they do things over there!

[@kenrehill8775]

They invented it

[@atticustay1]

Why? They don’t do it very well compared to today’s standards, even if they invented espresso

[@myname-mz3lo]

@@atticustay1 agreed . tradition is interesting and cool . but deliciousness is in the innovation . if people back in the day in italy acted like they do now espresso would have never become famous as it was new and not traditional at all .

[@atticustay1]

@@myname-mz3loexactly. It’s the attitude of people who think that Italian coffee is the best and that speciality is pretentious that really annoys me. It’s like a “back in the good old days” mentality. And ironically it’s actually more pretentious than the speciality coffee they think is pretentious. They’re also missing out on a lot of

[@ronaldcooper8651]

Great, I was there years ago, fabulous coffee. 👍

[@djm58sk]

Loved Australian coffee culture when I visited last year; as soon as I got back to Canada I ditched the Keurig and bought an espresso machine. I'm off to Italy in a few weeks so this video was very informative, thanks for that.

[@Webbstcoffee]

Thats a great idea for Australian cafes... thank you...

[@thecrankster]

A great cultural chain linking Australia and Italy. Really, the two countries in the world that worship coffee.

[@ThePoorStudent]

Very interesting! Tamping seems to be just levelling off the top and not much pressure. Their desserts look delicious.

[@RobTaBier]

Noticed the same. It was almost like he was showing the portafilter that he has a tamper 😅

[@atticustay1]

@@RobTaBierlol

[@ellobo4211]

Mum and my auntie had similar bistro in bilbao spain back in the 60s..very busy place ..same style..nostalgic

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Must bring back memories for you :)

[@ryofuku8500]

only you are the man no jacket on! strong man!

[@jasonmather3382]

I died looking at him not wiping his steam arm

[@michelered]

In Italy during peak hours one barista makes dozens of coffee per minute (definitely not third wave), so it doesn't makes sense to wipe the steam arm every time. Also they usually don't purge during peak hours.

[@Valspartame_Maelstrom]

settle down, turbo.

[@Xtremeee151]

​@@micheleredWell said, and it makes total sense. I know lots of baristas and coffee lovers that would think this method is unsafe or reckless but it works for them and the business, the level of Concentration, skills and passion is very hard to get outside Italy. Many coffee places in the States are just in to make lots of money so there is not enough passion in it, the sanitation and routine is use here in the States has been evolve to an extreme level with so many names, practices and technology, when the whole point is to just get a great cup of coffee/Croisant on the run and go about your business.I know that this video was intended to be informative which was great but the host should know that if he ask for just "latte" he will get a glass of milk 😅, here in the States people are unaware of this costume and because the "trend" of shorting the words is common it creates a confusion when they order in italy. Thank you

[@marcusherts9345]

Dude doesn’t have time for that, They probably do it when it’s quieter, or at the end of the day

[@KaranShah731]

trust me, the milk bits don't dry up on the tip during peak hours because you are constantly frothing milk

[@stephenqueen6946]

Nothing I love more than the knock box drawers. So ergonomic and aesthetic. (Yes, I've been tired of walking into the knock box forever)

[@stephenqueen6946]

Unrelated note; but I get the minimal tamping. It's probably abhorrent to anyone who's gone through 'monke strong' tamping training. I remember a lucia episode wherein similarly 'poor' methods were used and yet still a great coffee came through. I know I've fucked up similarly when trying grind and hit gold. Sometimes it be the beans. It's the whole experience. I like how efficient he is; but I don't like the lack of interaction between customer and barista. That doesn't mean 'magic passion' can't shine through.

[@stephenqueen6946]

The more I watch the more I'm getting nervous energy from the barista, rather than flow. I'm not a fan of the brusqueness of the service, and I don't know if that's because of racism or not. Perhaps others can chime in. I seem to remember a recent (last 10 years) documentary about disadvantaged people getting pipelines from prison/vagrancy to bariste, so I wonder if some of this energy comes from said pipeline; wherein management enforce strict standards and the barista is too scared to do different.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Not sure on that, they were very busy, this place was pumping all day just the 2 of them. All about speed and getting the brews out with 💯 focus

[@MarketingGuy]

@@stephenqueen6946 Racism...? Don't be ignorant, just because people are doing things differently. Especially if it's a cultural difference. If you want service, you can sit down, enjoy your nice service. If you are at the bar, you get your drinks, maybe a small sandwich or croissant and have a chat with a friend. Otherwise people are busy behind the bar. These are two completely different things.

[@stephenqueen6946]

Well, that's why I say 'maybe.' Because changing behaviour/discriminating based on whether someone is part of a different group is most easily described by the term 'racism' from my pov. But that's why I said "I don't know if the brusquness is 'racism.', or if it's something else... so you could follow on my comment to imply that yes, I'm alluding to that service maybe being a cultural difference. But if you have a simpler word for describing 'treating people differently based on them not being part of your social in-group, especially one obviously from another country that doesn't fluently speak the local language', then I'd like to hear it.

[@jfox8888]

This, @1:16, is what i wish to strive to be at, for my own work place and home haha , just pure focus and relentless passion. Say what you must with gestures, but this is what makes it " italiano "

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

We did see this style in many espresso bars

[@mr.ricochet8603]

One thing many people from outside italy Italy do not Understand is that 99% of bars in Italy are not places to "enjoy" coffee, but a place where people get their dose of caffeine and leave... people going there don't care about taste so much, they just want it to be adherent to their request when it comes to ingredients and size, but not so much about quality. For that you need to hand pick the bar you go.

[@KaranShah731]

oh thank god someone with a common sense

[@Delcore2006]

What in the world are you talking about. If you live in that country a place where they didn't put taste and quality first it wouldn't last a week. We aren't German or American, we're Italian. Sure, we drink we leave, but If it ain't great the whole town will know about it. I live in America, not one born Italian I know can experience a great coffee anywhere else except for Italy. Saying you can get better somewhere else only shows your ignorance and completely convinced you know the world of coffee is laughable. Go drink your cappuccino or latte after dinner

[@alessandroroveda2859]

Non sempre dai! C'è chi ama il caffè e sceglie i bar in base ai propri gusti. Così fai passare gli italiani come dei drogati di caffeina senza gusto

[@Delcore2006]

@@alessandroroveda2859 un'americano che pretende di conoscere la nostra cultura meglio. Poveraccio

[@alessiovalente1024]

You are telling bullshit dude

[@minxyx1007]

Great video! I live in Florence and as a coffee lover, things are changing in this city , noticing new cafes opening and offering different options, for an example, you may have to pay a little more but a lighter roasted expresso may cost 1.20 euro instead of 1 euro. If in Florence visit Ditta Artigianale they have three beautiful locations here and always good coffee and food. ☕☕☕☕☕☕ I hate the fact Starbucks have opened here now.....

[@mario08133]

Hi Luke, awesome video to show how things differ in Italy. What would be the requirement to achieve a good coffee while doing similar workflow to Italy’s?

[@Flange-lw9sp]

Love seeing the guys doing their job. It’s what I have always loved about going to France and Spain from the UK. Working at the front of a cafe or restaurant is definitely seen as a career, something to be proud of. This differs in the UK where front of restaurant is seen purely as a cost, and so the cheapest option is frequently taken. I have been served by many bored and disinterested teenagers or children mostly in cafes, and by bored students in restaurants. It’s such a shame the UK doesn’t follow the European model, but thankfully it is getting better.

[@itsanarse]

Not many people have pride in their service, I can only imagine it is due to the poor wage, lack of prospects and generally the British condition. I just think if I were in that position, I would do my absolute best to serve as that is what the job entails. I've never worked in food service but have done a customer service role so I really do feel for them and like to see when someone takes pride in their work, milling about to dish up food, get an order correct, check in on me. It really makes me smile when genuine care is given, it makes my day.

[@carlomariamosco]

So weird hearing that about UK. I saw James Hoffmann video on the 2007 world barista final in Japan; he released also his own video with some tricks and tips for who is going to compete in the contest. I though, wow! Ok, it's a contest, but are there really places in UK where coffee is served in such a way? Maybe not, if we stick to your opinion

[@juandiegosanchez5050]

Uno de los mejores espresos que he tomado fue en Venecia, !en un supermercado? Definitivamente son buenos estos italianos, tienen la cultura del café en la sangre

[@darrenfitzpatrick9518]

Hea guys as a aussi expat who lives in europe lm a cafe owner and barista ,l do luv going to italy to experience it , its very generic all around , and normally the blend is 70% abrica 30 robusto, strong with a bite , if you hit bologna go to mr caffee its a different experience with a huge range of blends to try , and latte art is very good

[@Ptpangel]

When I started out as a Barista in 2002, that’s how we made the espresso as well. Two turns of the grinder to get the ground coffee out, use finger technique to flatten it out, knock it against the corner of the bar, tamp it down hard and into the machine. Later we started using a knife to even out the dose and then tamp - I tried it again recently and the dose was never more than 3 grams out!

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

3 grams is a lot of variation these days, it’s over 10% more grind in a 22.5g, this would have big variations in brew times and taste. Cheers luke

[@Ptpangel]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters no doubt the variance in the shots were pretty marked, although probably less so when we mix milk into the recipe. The coffee back then was also much darker roast than today, and I think that hid the differences in dose in as well. Of course, we also pulled 60 ml shots from 15 gram dose too, so there were a number of quality points that could be - and have been - improved on! 😂. By the way, I’d love some more vids of you guys roasting with the Bullet!

[@atticustay1]

3 grams is huge variation

[@milkshake519]

I need one now

[@joependergrass5871]

I've enjoyed espresso all over the world and, there are nuances in every region. Most can be appreciated though there is an occasional disappointment. That being said, I'm still drawn to and most enjoy, the Italian cafes and espresso the most. This was a super video.

[@atticustay1]

Why? They don’t put much care into it

[@Ras77Pmo]

You have to try it to understand. It does hit different than everywhere else. It’s a bit like sushi in japan, it’s a specific taste you can find only in Italy

[@uofi1963]

Actually, tremendous care goes into each shot. The baristi are professionals who take pride in their work. And then in the evening, we were served a beer or wine with appetizers. @@atticustay1

[@hellsing0999999999]

​@uofi1963 in this video they didn't even tamp the coffe, not really much care was put on his drink

[@Ras77Pmo]

@@hellsing0999999999 I could see him tamp the coffee !

[@Dragonslayer-fy6tc]

Haha the eyes while trying the espresso

[@felicetdg]

Guys, as cafe owner, no one noticed that this guy is doing a job that here in Australia would require at least 2 people? (Probably even 3) Keep it mind mind

[@jaegerarthur6718]

You mean 2 slow baristas? It's definitely possible to make better quality coffee than this with little to no delay compared to him.

[@marcoac-sx6lq]

I agree. I worked as a barista in Italy, now I live abroad. In Italy it's definitely a difficult job, not for everyone. You must be fast, smart, responsive, and very dexterous. While abroad you will see these very relaxed, non responsive teenagers, taking all the time they need to reflect about life while making you a coffe. And at the end they charge you 3 euros minimum, what in Italy would be 1 at most.

[@alessandroroveda2859]

This coffee "Cucchi" is very famous in Milan and near to my work 🔝

[@Ilethsamael]

The largest difference is speed and cost. Italy has a culture of small breaks, coffee and cappuccino is fast to drink and numbers are most of the times crazy. The quality for speed is out of this world. If coffee culture was slower like in most western cafes, coffee quality could be even higher but that is not how Italians live it. Also quantities in espresso and cappuccino are roughly half of most of the world.

[@tahirballikaya213]

also coffee in italy is relatively cheap compared to other countries. When I was in Milano 7 years ago an espresso did cost 1 Euro.

[@uffa00001]

@@tahirballikaya213 And Milan is more expensive than anywhere else in Italy. Coffee in Rome today costs €1,00 - €1,20.

[@andrewdickinson1981]

Had a proper espresso macchiato in Milan..nothing has come close since.

[@persianwingman]

In Italy it’s quick and functional but not quality focused. Third wave is slow and precise with fruitier flavours in the coffee.

[@GianmarcoIerardi]

Rather than quick I would say chaotic…

[@yellowcard1933]

Yeah but fruity coffee is overrated. Everywhere you go thinks your latte should taste like a blueberry. I’m noticing a trend towards people wanting to taste a stronger coffee with more dark flavors.

[@ccuellar6212]

@@yellowcard1933That is how real men want it and while we are at it, lets skip the milk.

[@mopikozz]

well said

[@lethargic_cow]

Lived in Rome for 6 months. Loved everything about coffee vibes there. And yes, it was about 1/1.5 euros for a proper coffee!

[@darrelgunawan6013]

i didnt understand the prices on the video. he said that the price for the coffees and croissant is 60 euros? and another 6 euros if sit down??

[@pamanthanos9742]

i remember the first couple minutes of this scene but forgot where i saw it

[@sympathetic_crustacean]

I looooove the long shots at the beginning and how they let you really immerse yourself into the cafe/atmosphere. Secondly, espresso in Italy is basically fast food. You go in, pay a euro, get a single shot, drink it down while standing, and off you go. Speed is important, which is why the baristas are focused and fast. I'm not sure Italians would really want all their cafes to mimic the specialty coffee experience elsewhere, which is more careful and therefore much slower.

[@mpandunky]

I just knew this, thank you.

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

No. It's fast, but it's not "fast food." And many people chat at the bar for 5 to 10 minutes while eating a pastry. People also do sit down if they are on leisure and willing to pay more. Also, many people have coffee after meals at sit down restaurants. There are multiple venues to get coffee.

[@SFxAce]

Recently got back from Italy and they keep coffee simple and it is affordable (1.2 euro for single shot espresso and less than 2 euro for cafe latte). Granted it is cheaper at the bar (not sit down which will cost more). In Australia, coffee at cafes is way over priced as there is no option but to sit down and even take away it costs the same or more.

[@vortex21jw]

The fact the steamwand was just left with milk on triggers me. As a coffee machine engineer you dont understand how fucked them steamwands get due to milk getting baked on like that then scratched off to clean them

[@toddpower4674]

Can't help but looking at that milk on the steam wand. But this guy is fast

[@radimbrokes766]

How lucky we are in Australia…..

[@ricardomontalbanjr1943]

Weren’t you restricted from going outside for like two years? 🤣

[@radimbrokes766]

Yes that’s correct

[@earlmyname4257]

Ye where to drink a coffee U need to cue and wait 15 min to have an organic healthy regenerating skinny latte with brown sugar!!! Are you guys kidding? Have U ever left Australia?

[@nohandle62]

We don't need all the fancy drinks. That garbage was designed to appeal to people who don't like coffee. The Italians keep it simple. I really respect them for that.

[@humbertokatoch]

belo vídeo

[@brandoncook67]

I do see coffee as more utilitarian in Italy. You can see that they prioritize for speed and efficiency. It’s not the type of coffee culture where they take it slow to sit, sip, and explore the nuance. In fact, i know that many Italians simply take their espresso as a shot.

[@Delcore2006]

Sure but quality is always first for everything in Italy. That place wouldn't last if quality was second

[@blabla1221]

It's more of a social thing. You have a quick espresso at the bar with neighbors or colleagues, and then go on with your day. It's not like they have rotating beans so it is always the same flavor.

[@Delcore2006]

@@blabla1221 🤦🏽 mado quanto sei ignorante

[@supercanardo]

I guess in most places you'll get a decent tasting coffee but it won't change your life. They're not going to bother with latte art or medium roast specialty coffee. But it won't break the bank for sure, and you'll have the experience across the country.

[@jonathanfreihofer5066]

The steam wand not being wiped right away is killing me, but impressive work flow

[@OrionRox]

It's really interesting to see different coffee cultures. I live in Canada and most of the cafes are serving light to medium-roast espresso, the same thing happened when I was in the UK, some of the best-rated cafes in London were serving really light roast espresso, and they tasted really good almost like drinking grapefruit juice. It seems Caffee Pasticceria follows a more traditional way which serving more dark roast coffee with more body?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes your correct, however the super light roast espresso is on its way out in Australia, it’s gone a little too far away from an everyday experience you can enjoy. It’s like a special beer, you will have one but it’s not the daily regular

[@OrionRox]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Very interesting to hear that, I think it has to do with something like the third-wave coffee movement, the good thing is we have a local roaster store that only sells second-wave coffee which is more dark roasted, and some other newer roaster stores sell light roasted coffee. Variety is a good thing as long as customers are able to choose what they like. For example, I would drink dark roast espresso in the morning and light roast after lunch.

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

To me, a coffee tasting like a fruit juice is the opposite of "good." lol. But to each his own. I want coffee to taste like coffee.

[@soyasaucer]

the best espresso Ive had, in Italy, was at one of the airports in Roma. there was a cafe right next to where you pick up your luggage. I have not been to Milan but if I ever go there, I know where to go to get espresso. :)

[@razraz5474]

Surely they are not watching artisti coffee roasters KZbin videos😅

[@grevasy]

The atmosphere the dress code of the baristas, the speed..... Pure class!!. No T-shirts, no beards, and no beanies!! Yes the coffee is old school but the Traditional Authentic Italian Espresso is very alive.

[@AlexeiWatson]

Very clean workstation for the speed of service... But that steam wand 🙈

[@michaelestrinone2111]

Yep

[@jjg19631]

My thought exactly. And no way dose and tamp can be as it should be. I don’t think this shop is typical as I have not seen that at the shops I visited.

[@pallotron]

as an Italian I agree 🤦

[@Passerbys60]

If you observe espresso machines position are on corner of cafe not at middle or blocking customer like ordinary cafe. My barista instructor said it was mis conception of cafe owner thought the machine in middle were cool but it not safe if there accident it can harm people.

[@garethbater6900]

You so lucky in Australia - coffee shops are just great in Melbourne - Italy also great coffee culture - but France / uk oh nooo

[@tristanmccoppin5761]

My friend has a beautiful specialty roastery just south of Florence, he roasts incredible specially coffee as a reaction to the very quick and cheap dark roast culture. Check out La Sosta Specialty Coffee. Very very good.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

I'll check it out! Great to hear more Italian speciality coffee roasters are opening 🤙🏻

[@tristanmccoppin5761]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters La Sosta in impruneta, in toscana

[@Alex-zv4oc]

Luke, it seams (in comparison to other EU countries) that the milk is not whole cow milk because of the light blue cap instead of dark blue. Did you ask?

[@adamg.manning6088]

As someone that is interested in third wave coffee and makes espresso and pour over at home in that style, but also loves travelling in Italy, I think it’s important not to diminish Italy’s coffee culture and the hard work of the Staff, even if I don’t love the actual product on a subjective level. I personally don’t like the short, astringent espressos, or lackadaisically made cappuccinos. I do however appreciate the culture, the history of the buildings and businesses that make the products, and most importantly the staff that throughput hundreds of Guests per day, all whilst remaining elegant, professional and passionate. There are also a lot of ethical questions surrounding the culture of €1 espressos in Italy and whether or not that’s sustainable. People like those behind Ditta Artignale are trying to promote the Third Wave and higher quality coffee so that everyone can be paid more fairly. It’s going to be a hard path to tread, but it’s exciting that it’s happening. In the meantime, I’ll continue to enjoy the choreographed chaos of the traditional Grand Café and I’ll also seek out the token one or two Third Wave places in any given city I visit.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

We met the team at @lotzero @7grams and Chiara when I’m Milan. Great Specalist coffee roasters from women in coffee. 🤛🏻

[@TrueFilter]

Wild stuff. Some hipster patronising Italians and looking down on their coffee culture. Third wave ffs.

[@adamg.manning6088]

@@TrueFilter Find me the part where I patronised anyone (except where I now imply you’re a fucking dunce for not at least running a cursory google search on coffee before trying to insult me).

[@grischawillrich590]

The workflow and the speed is amazing even when each step ist not skilled like from a Aussi Barista. Due to the low cost per coffee you have to make high volume to make some money...

[@user-yp6yr9te7l]

It's a difference in perspective. An Aussi Barista would not at all be considered "skilled" in any dimension by an Italian average coffee drinking customer. Anything taking longer than 30 seconds to make would be in fact considered a total lack of skill.

[@jayberringer4670]

Had an experience a few years ago in Rome. Had an espresso at a bar off the beaten path. Best coffee I had in Italy hands down and it was only €0.80 and so much better than what I had in one of the bars in the tourist area. I mentioned this to the barista who was also the owner. who also spoke fluent english. He thanked me and went into a rant when I told him I paid €1.50 for the bad coffee. "See? This is why everyone thinks Italians are thieves! That is just not right ..." Their passion is real.

[@kenrehill8775]

You went to Naples, right?

[@lubenzz]

At least he cleaned the drip tray. 😂

[@georgestarzynski7222]

My best Italian espresso was at the train station in Modena. The customers were piled deep and they served this rich, dark roast espresso that they could churn quickly so people wouldn't miss their train. I would go out of my way to walk past this bar in the station for my morning and afternoon fix. I'm not a fan of the foam art, it is just a waste of time. Keep it simple and pure.

[@american1911]

Is Italian espresso mainly Robusto when you’re in Italy?

[@Qwahchees]

Wow, a very different way of making coffee than what I'm used to here in Canada. Especially as a home enthusiast, WDTing and taking time to slowly craft a really good shot & foam milk perfectly. The italian baristas pump out coffees in seconds while I do mine in minutes.

[@Getchewable]

yea it kinda pains me to know how bitter those shots likely were lmao.

[@continms]

I couldn’t stop staring at the steam wand😳

[@williambebonis5683]

It’s probably already been said but the name of the bar “Cucchi” is pronounced in a similar fashion to how you would pronounced “Cookie”, but with the “k” sound doubled, ie. “Cook kie”

[@darwinfridgeseals741]

did you find any medium to light roast beans with less roasted flavor?

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes we did. We found great coffee with the girls at Lot Zero Specialty Coffee in Milan. You can learn about them here: lotzero.com/en/

[@CH-yp5by]

Yuo had a lot of Italian immigrants in both Vic and NSW and some in Old and I grew up in the 90s in Sydney and I remember the only coffee brands were all Italian coffee brands that were everywhere when there was zero speciality coffee brands. You should have gone to Napoli or the Islands off Napoli like Capri or Ischia and everywhere are lever machines, mainly La san Marco machines. The real heart and soul of Coffee in Italy is in Napoli, they do the best lever machines and this is what my Italian friends form Northern Italy in Verona say and thats ridiculous that a northerner gives the south such a compliment!

[@jacksparrow5281]

Lever machines are best IMO. Got me a Strega.

[@Ben.216]

First most importantly everything is clean .. so as a consumer I’m instantly interested in purchasing..including the maker and his clothes .. all actions of the barista is done with confidence..but not overdone to say ..hey I’m trying to be an expert …it’s more like I’m focused and I have a responsibility to my customers..coffee shops on lower tiers should aspire to imulate such professionalism and care in the workplace .. I’m not even having a coffee but still enjoying the experience.. thanks for video .

[@annekabower5319]

Tbf the coffee probably tastes bad but the experience is pretty cool, the guy giving the server the coffees and the server knows which coffee is going to who and just puts it in front of you.

[@ericpmoss]

I’m lucky enough to be in Sicily, and the culture around caffe is soooo different. Instead of an assembly line of coffee, it is one (or 5) going like lightning. And, I’m clearly the late riser, ordering a cappuccino at noon. Not a single barista has chided me for it, possibly because I learned “buongiorno”, “per favore”, and “grazie”, not to mention “cornetto”, and “Cosa consiglia?” when unsure. People here, as busy as they are, are soooo nice if you try to be polite.

[@kimwalton2873]

Comparing apples and oranges. I never liked coffee until I traveled in Italy. In my Coffee shop in the US we have better coffee drinks but serve 1/10th of the customers. Currently the are more modern coffee bars in the major cities in Italy that serve similar coffee to the US but once again they serve fewer drinks.

[@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters]

Yes the new trends are slowing coming over but it will take time and the local traditional espresso will always remain.

[@MondayMornings]

@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters indeed, as it should. i also enjoy my WDT and all at home but I am Italian and once i enter a cafe and wait more than one minute i instantly get upset haha

[@alessandroroveda2859]

Espresso can be very strong...and so you can put sugar inside

[@rjuwuxd3012]

One thing I noticed in Italy. If you asked for a coffee it's automatically an espresso unlike in the West or Asia that they give you a brewed coffee or Americano.

[@emilianosc335]

that's because the majority of people in Italy call an espresso a coffee " un caffe'"..

[@johnnyp8051]

Please Italian coffee is one of the best … can’t beat it

[@simonemair4586]

When it comes to food and coffee Italy is next level. Very much love the Italian culture and sense for beauty ❤❤❤

[@atticustay1]

No Italy is not next level with coffee. They are stuck where they’ve been for decades while other countries have been innovating

[@earlmyname4257]

What U been innovating? We don t need to innovate because we know that a flat white and a latte are a cappuccino . Clown​@@atticustay1

[@MarketingGuy]

I'm really disappointed by a lot of the Australians commenting here and their ignorance. And I'm not even Italian. Coffee, especially espresso, is a completely different culture in Italy. The average Italian adult drinks around 4-5 espressos PER DAY. There is nothing to compare this culture with in the rest of the world. It's so different, there is only a single Starbucks in the whole of Italy, because Italians don't drink that style of coffee. There is nothing special about getting a coffee in Italy. It's a daily occurrence. It's as normal as drinking water. There is even a law in Italy, setting the price limit for espresso to 1,20 Euro. And what you see in this video is like the McDonald's of Italian coffee. Highest volume business in the busiest time of the day. To compare this with a "normal" Australian coffee shop or even a speciality coffee shop in Australia is like comparing Barbecued Snags/Pigs in a Blanket/Dagwood dog (just googled Australian street food, I have no idea) with a nice Italian spaghetti carbonara in a nice restaurant. Just two different worlds. Imagine a video about the mentioned Australian meals and a bunch of Italians commenting on the crap Aussies eat and how they don't even use plates. Shame on you for commenting such bullshit (expect the comments about the steam wand). I prefer Third Wave style coffee too, but the ignorance of many of the commenters is killing me.

[@daddaIT]

mate as an Italian I appreciate the spirit of your comment, seriously. However just for the sake of proper information: we have multiple Starbucks in Italy nowadays ... around 7-8 just in Milano. Never been to one but still. And there's no law limiting the prices of espresso in Italy, just plain demand&offer balance. Many bars around the Duomo in Milano for example are around 1,3-1,5 Euros. Unfortunately a lot of bars serve disgusting coffee. But as you correctly mentioned for us is as normal as drinking water since we are late teens.

[@MarketingGuy]

@@daddaIT Sorry for the Starbucks mistake. My information was a few years old. I just remembered back in 2018 Starbucks opened their first store in Italy (the Reserve Roastery in Milan). But of course it's a few years ago. I'm genuinely surprised the mentioned price law doesn't exist. I just read an article where a price law from the beginning of the 20th century was mentioned. I must have misinterpreted another article I read long time ago.

[@izoard77]

Well.... i live in italy, thats what I experience everyday. There is nothing good about it in my opinion, but its the only way and very difficult to change. Consumer does not understand why pay more for a better experience. So if I want a good coffee I need to make it at home.

[@scheme9929]

Italy is like the 40 year old that still wears his best outfit from his 20's and thinks he looks slick. They refuse to modernise.

[@Conservator.]

@@scheme9929 Those outfits look like they are from the 1920s and yes I think they look apart but hey, I’m 40+20 years old. 😁

[@Conservator.]

Hi @izoard77, Are they still charging €1 for a caffè at the bar?

[@izoard77]

@@Conservator. Just had my coffee it's 1.3 near my office. In some towns especially in the south it is still 1 euro

[@Conservator.]

@@izoard77 Grazie! Like you’ve mentioned, for that price you’ve got to cut corners. I’ve heard from a fellow countryman of yours that that there are specialty coffee bars in Italy too but they’re not mainstream (just like they aren’t here in the Netherlands I suppose). Ciao!