Surprising Backgrounds: F1 Drives Fathers

[@louisbrowne9095]

If I remember correctly, Anthony Hamilton had 3 jobs while managing Lewis, & Esteban basically lived in a caravan so his parents could afford him to do karting. Quite amazing the sacrifices they made.

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Lewis says that he always remembers when they were on their way to Mugello or Imola in Italy with his dad in the rented small Fiat and Nico Rosberg with his dad Keke passes them with Lamborghini.

[@ewanwinship2238]

That was early but he did get a job doing IT at a hedge fund

[@peterscandlyn]

Well depending on your POV he came good. 'Depending ' because he has a number of exotic cars up for sale right now at Siverstone Auctions....

[@cb7365]

Lewis has done well with himself, used to live in a council flat with his dad, who had three jobs at one stage to fund his karting., and he also used to do work on the kart at night and they had a used Fiat. Now Lewis lives in Monaco, living his dream of F1, and had several expensive cars

[@johnlau8461]

dam started from the bottom, repsect +1

[@jasonstacy5587]

Knowing Kimi came from humble beginnings makes me like him even more.

[@gabor6259]

Read the book about him.

[@charlescrossley8678]

Bwoah

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Like all Finns by the way

[@ukkeliskukkelis8971]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 No

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

@@ukkeliskukkelis8971 I meant Finns usually come rather from the humble beginnings. It's like with Russian women tennis players, you rather must fight your way from the bottom up, if you want to have an international career

[@Lara-sr7jr]

Fun Fact about Sebastians dad. He always sits in the grand stands with the fans because he likes the atmosphere there

[@KymIllman]

I will bear this in mind for future videos. Thanks.

[@andro_system]

@@nikhilpaleti3872 "Hide the Pain Harold" (real name: Arató András)

[@VarjoPira]

Bottas' father could be his older brother in that picture for all I know.

[@krappyfrappe4547]

It’s funny how (no offence) I thought I was looking at Kubica hehe

[@chadmoodley3497]

Must be the porridge

[@krappyfrappe4547]

Chad Moodley yEs

[@abdiqarebash3156]

Did you not see Ocons father

[@icecranberry2148]

If he is 48, then he had him at 18 so it's obvious there isn't a huge gap between them.

[@lesterklaassen3]

Carlos: has the most legendary father in F1 Mick entering the sport: hold my beer

[@nasif610]

not really...... carlos sainz held the record for most wins and he teamed up with McRae in Subaru, until loeb broke it. they r both legendary drivers. one is legendwry in rally and one is legendary in f1.

[@pointofcami6565]

@@nasif610 Yes really. They're driving the sport that Mick's dad MASTERED, so I would say he has the more legendary father. The Schumacher name is also wayyy more famous than the Sainz.

[@carlachua]

That photo of Carlos Sr. and Carlos Jr. is so epic

[@KymIllman]

glad you like it Gene.

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Both very difficult personalities. We Finns know him from the WRC, but he mostly struggled with our rally drivers like Tommi Makinen and Juha Kankkunen, both 4 time World Championship. In ten years covers most of Sainz Sr. peak moments of rally driving and he won two times which was left over from Tommi and Juha. Sainz Jr. was in Koiranen GP formula team, the finnish team which have had ones like Kvyat, Bottas and Boschung (the driver to whose rear Anthoine Hubert crashed) . Sainz Jr. happened to be in the team same time with Kvyat and these two strong families were really in the war path. Koiranen brothers told that this was best driver pair what comes to the talent, but the worst what comes to the team spirit.

[@d4nyll]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 So... a rally version of Fernando Alonso

[@carlachua]

@Rhys Goodman What did your dad think of him?

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

@Rhys Goodman We Finns have a great respect for Colin McRae and were heart broken when he had his heli accident. We only felt sorry for his co-pilots due to his spectacular full speed crashes. Sainz Sr , maybe your dad has a better opinion of him, he was a good driver but not in the level of Loeb or Ogier to truly challenge Finnish drivers "mafia".

[@munizdaniel7]

I think knowing that both Kimi's and Seb's parents weren't the rich type like the others' explains the close friendship they had as teammates.

[@leverkusen7268]

Vettel dad's looks like the "Hide The Pain Harold" guy

[@WassupWassup123]

And he must be hiding his pain every race this season

[@jorisvw]

Atte @formulagodcomments

[@matissberzins5265]

Omg trueee

[@hazimlee7599]

that's what I wanted to say😂

[@cursed_jp]

You mean Arató András.

[@ferdinanddu4414]

2:07 Valtteri's father "runs a successful cleaning business..." That's why Valtteri cuts grass at Styrian Grant Prix?

[@sennachuu]

Ferdinand Du, exactly what I was thinking. 😂

[@saturekiyoarcadia12]

His Mother Is An Undertaker So I wonder what Valtteri is up to with that 😳

[@esterexposito7103]

I don’t get it.Can you explain?

[@Fujiwara.Takumi1]

Charles lost every single father figure to him it's really hard for him but he manages and they must be incredibly proud Albon's father is basically non-existent because it's his mother that supported him. And it is obvious kimi became icer since 2010 after his dad passed

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

hey be careful dont spill the water when delivering the tofu Takumi

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Kimi maybe actually was reliefed after 2010. His father was not a kind man to his mother, when he was under influence. Kimi bought them a nice house by the seaside near Helsinki but rarely stayed there for these reasons.

[@cult_personality]

That's why he a tough nut. Charles Leclerc

[@bhaktichokshi]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 wow, I don't know about this. Where did you get this info from?

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

@@bhaktichokshi I am a Finn, living 25 yrs outside Finland, knew Mika Hakkinen , met a lot in the airports, more knew his ex-wife Erja. The circles are small, Finland is a small country. So you know how the things truly are, and not like they are written in the books. No sugar coating.

[@thhedk]

The reason Jan Magnussen is not often at Kevins races is that he is still super active in racing

[@hashrulsubzero]

3:45 That photo of Carlos Sainz Snr with Guenther Steiner. Carlos and Guenther used to be part of the Jolly Club rally team in 1993 where Guenther was the head of reconnaissance before he later takes a role of technical manager while Carlos was the team's driver.

[@fifafinnish4340]

Yeah i was surprised when i saw footage from 2000's WRC and Günther was there

[@hashrulsubzero]

@@fifafinnish4340 Yup! He did at one time work for M-Sport in the 2000s.

[@Ben-gm1rj]

Valtteri's father looks more like Valtteri than Valtteri himself

[@KymIllman]

yeah!

[@donniedollarhidejr.2766]

So can we say that he is Valtterier than Valtteri?

[@legm5298]

@@donniedollarhidejr.2766 Yes indeed

[@jasimdar1903]

Dafuq

[@formulafish1536]

It makes me happy to know that Kimi’s father at least got to see Kimi at the top of the world! Such a shame that Herve hasn’t been able to see Charles take it to Lewis, Valtteri, Max and Seb!

[@Xzibitfreek]

im surprised sebs dad had enough money to finance his sons career as a carpender. the vettel family is so wholesome

[@Melon623]

well it depends on what kind of carpentry you do. I know some extremely successful carpenters. Custom design and construction is no joke mate!

[@tsantiriproductions]

No, vettels father supported him for some races because he didn't have a lot of money for a whole kart season. In the place where he was renting his kart, whom owner is the man who discovered Michael Schumacher, he watched him racing and and he talked about him in red bull hq and then the red bull became his sponsor. Just like Lewis Hamilton. His father supported him until the age of 13 when the McLaren took care of him.

[@ronaldderooij1774]

Now for the mothers. Sophie Verstappen was Belgian champion karting and gave up her promising career for childbirth. She beat Jos Verstappen on karts regularly.

[@ronaldderooij1774]

@Roger Rarebit In F1 that was true. Before F1, not so much. He won the Zandvoort Masters of F3 (as did Max) which was at the time the most prestigious F3 title. F3 at the time was just below F1. F2 did not exist.

[@d.b.cooper1]

@Roger Rarebit It's a shame Jos Verstappen beat her tho

[@fernandoangelrodriguezcort6080]

@@d.b.cooper1 ayo hold up

[@d.b.cooper1]

@@fernandoangelrodriguezcort6080 Lmao it is what it is....Jos Verstappens criminal charge rap sheet & history of domestic abuse is an insane read, Hope Max is more like his mum.

[@sanadedixeptar5214]

@@d.b.cooper1 wait are you for real tho?

[@alexthurner43]

Norbert Vettel actually used to be an amateur racing driver doing hillclimbs here in Germany. He sold his racecar to support Seb.

[@Needmore27]

Kevin's dad looks younger than Kevin himself... lol

[@AkbarNurPribadi]

wait, he is Lewis's father? I always thought that he is Tony Stark's wingman

[@lilshiny]

That was my first reaction too. He looks a lot like Anthony Mackie

[@kevenlad7409]

LIL SHINY no he looks like war machine ( Don Cheadle) anthony Mackie is Falcon

[@lilshiny]

KEVEN LaD ah you’re right I forgot the name of war machine and thought war machine was falcon

[@lmao7439]

Yes lol

[@ofuturopolimata6961]

Damn, I thought I as the only one! xD

[@sabres685]

He down played Jan Magnussen in my opinion. Jan is incredibly successful in sportscar racing. For like 20 years he always one, if not the best driver on the grid in sportscars. 4 times le mans winner, 2x GTLM class champion, and has to be up there for most class wins in worldwide sportscar series.

[@tingala_0129]

Someone told me about Kimi and Charles’s dad. May they Rest in peace knowing that they had successful drivers still on the grid. Great video great content, keep doing what you’re doing mate. -Love from America 🇺🇸.

[@danle9673]

Have to do mothers of F1 drivers

[@KymIllman]

Might be a bit trickier that one.

[@zedlicious]

Kym Illman you’re up for the challenge Kym :) thanks for the insightful video. The human story is a good story.

[@gollese]

And mother's mother mothers mother!

[@ronaldderooij1774]

@@KymIllman Sophie Verstappen was Belgian champion karting.

[@spac18]

@@KymIllman don't mention Albon's mom's background

[@t3j691]

We should not forget Charles god father JULES who is a main contributor of his success. ❤️❤️ RIP JULES.

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

of course and take the foot off the gas, when it's double yellow flags

[@andybeer9937]

I wouldn’t say main!

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

@Captain Levi . Godfather , yes, but they but not a main contribution for his success. I think it's the closest family enough rich to live and born in Monaco. Secondly about RIP JULES, yes but it was DOUBLE YELLOW FLAGS, so he should not be in that speed level at all hitting the towing truck.

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Completely agree. Somehow dead persons who made errors are the best drivers of all times. Yeee, he surely would been a world champion....and that sort of stuff.

[@robertasciallero7819]

Helping is family not rich whituot their support finish in car only Charles not father'son very rich wow so easy clear

[@mad-maxx2211]

It’s funny. When you introduced Bottas father all I saw was him hugging Hamilton like he is his father. Made smile. Good video.

[@aaroncottam]

Would love to see a video on the race engineers of the F1 drivers!

[@KymIllman]

I don't know enough about them and would have few pics but it's a good video idea for next year.

[@Godfrey_said_it]

I only know Bonnington for Lewis Hamilton.

[@aeroaa2]

Anthony Hamilton at certain angles looks a lot like Don Cheadle

[@jackbauer4607]

Antonio's dad name is Vito? Now I'm 110% sure he's in the mob. xD

[@darundayanithi2677]

Godfather vibes?

[@giovankastevianoharrypremo1122]

Vito from mafia ii?😁

[@moonssia]

Not funny

[@andrematheulehmacher2330]

*waste management

[@rakeshkarel5964]

Sergio’s dad also

[@ashesh2049]

Cheers to all the Fathers courtesy of whom we have the awesome F1 drivers today...

[@sienna7249]

5:22 “he managed his son’s carrer” proceeds to show lewis’ dad and his son: seb lol

[@professormoshi3902]

7:15 “JUST LET MY KID RACE FOR FERRARI!”

[@kre4ture218]

Was thinking the same thing :D

[@monxx15]

"I'll give you 1 billion dollars" "We don't need it mate" "Sure you need it. Everyone needs money and I want my son to race for Ferrari" *"No"*

[@Bananas-in-pyjamas]

I never knew about Kimis dad

[@KymIllman]

Good thing you’re following my channel then. Cheers.

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Kimi has got his genetics to like alcohol from his dad. And of course alcohol is a part of Finnish culture. We call it a total reset.

[@VarjoPira]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 Nothing to do with genetics, everything to do with culture. 'Course, tolerance is another thing entirely. Kimi's clarified in his book that his pops' increased drinking habits were the result of a head injury.

[@peterscandlyn]

Kimi could be still wondering too....

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

@@VarjoPira Well, there is not so many Finns that we don't know each other through friends or friend's friends. I am the same age as Mika Hakkinen and we did meet a lot at the airports then and later, I have not lived in Finland for 25 yrs. What Kimi says in his book is laughable. McLaren knew and Ferrari knew what could be the potential negative effect. He doing extreme sports like motocross while under influence.

[@cuco6696]

You missed a Dakar for Carlos Sainz in 2020!! He has 3

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

Well, Ari Vatanen won 4 times Paris Dakar, hehe...a Spanish bus driver like Alonso

[@cuco6696]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 and what's the point of that?? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

cuco6696 that we Finns think that Sainz family plus Alonso are Spanish bus drivers.

[@cuco6696]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 yeah sure

[@cathalfolan8441]

Fuckin hell what age is he?

[@Present4]

Thank you for taking the time to do this. It brings fans (like me in Barbados) from around the world much closer to the spirit of F1. 👍

[@KymIllman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DonChingon357]

A little late, but Sergio Perez' father also has a racing background, he was a racer for the Corona Cup (yes, the beer) in Mexico in the 80s

[@stickyviper1774]

I never knew about Charles’ father. So sad

[@farhaanamaria291]

He was a tiger that race in Baku. He was unstoppable

[@saucyyt7699]

I swear everyone knew, it’s like if u don’t u can’t claim to be an f1 fan. No hate

[@ilham7345]

dude lost his father, jules, and anthoine

[@stickyviper1774]

Ilham dang facts, they all must be so proud of him.

[@JoQeZzZ]

@@saucyyt7699 "no hate, but you' re not a real fan", get over yourself man

[@paulspickernell6875]

Really refreshing to find this site, your a nice guy, with no harmful edge, respectively feeding from the trough and sharing a different side of F1

[@KymIllman]

Thanks Paul. Tell the world.

[@kookiemochi4848]

I love that Charles is in half of the photos !!

[@sheila1265]

that's a great video, interesting to see where the drivers came from and who supported them in their early days. I've said this before but the thumbnails are very well designed, well done whoever does them.

[@KymIllman]

The thumbnails are brilliant. One of my graphics guys in my company does them for me in 15 minutes or less. He’s very talented

[@peterscandlyn]

It was. Great insight. Thanks Kym!

[@gvishal9571]

Mate that ad scared me for a second 😅 Please put up a ad coming ahead sign next time if you don't mind

[@edgarcenturion5193]

05:47 The missile and the torpedo

[@XavierAlfeiranSainz]

Hi, actually Sergio's father was very active in the paddock until sometime last year. He was also involved in racing being the agent of Adrian Fernandez former Indycar series in the 90's

[@brandonnoel7601]

More proof that a strong father figure is important for any future success.

[@anzacxlag2606]

Did you miss the part where Charles dad passed and he won GP3 and F2?

[@undrcuts7625]

Checo's father was there in the garage for his son's last race of 2020...saw him heartbroken while checo's engine broke. Good for checo, he's in redbull now.

[@AcD420]

Why does Valtteri and his did look like they are only 2-3 years apart

[@Denhalen79]

Jos Verstappen made Max into the racer is his now. After Jos ended his own career in 2003, he devoted his live to coach Max to become a F1 driver. Jos Verstappen was also the only Dutch F1 driver that managed to end up on the podium in his first year. That was until Max won in 2016.

[@stepladder3257]

It's how the covid safety training vid came before perez who is positive now :(

[@gollese]

If you can win rally at 56, now that says something! 40 isnt even old these days in racing world. :)

[@michaelvdbgd]

He actually won it again in 2020!

[@BlitzBodyBeats]

Robin yes it is

[@berserker34568]

@@BlitzBodyBeats no noob

[@hippo4g93]

Carlos the rally driver is a legend

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

A legend with 2 Championships? On Carlos Sr peak time Tommi Makinen won 4 titles and Juha Kankkunen 4 titles, he got two leftovers. Gimme a break dude!

[@anzacxlag2606]

@@jukkao.parviainen8669 Jim Clark only won 2 F1 titles and is still considered one of the greatest of all time, your point?

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

@@anzacxlag2606 We can devaluate the word legend, right? Sainz Sr. has won three Dakars, Ari Vatanen four. He is as much a legend as Alonso winning two Championships under Briatore. And where is Briatore? Life long ban to any FIA event in any role. Like last year's Ferrari. Same song. Spanish bus drivers, as we say in Finland.

[@onlyw23]

I heard Alex's father lives in Malaysia, he went to Singapore GP last year with scooter

[@muhdfuad244]

Serius ke?

[@TheMotherland757]

The one thing they all have in common is they all seem very supportive

[@KymIllman]

You'd hope so.

[@1anre]

Thanks for this. Wouldn’t have ever thought about this sort of content before.

[@KymIllman]

My George Russell video goes up tonight you’ll enjoy that one

[@mikehatch2114]

Welcome back. We missed your insight and great photos

[@JulesBrunoJjBaggy]

Since you're a photo company who makes money selling photos and promote your business in these videos, you should credit the photos you use that aren't yours.

[@CCNuck]

I completely agree.

[@bhaskarbliss1255]

I think I have seen Lando's dad this year in the Styrian GP, do anyone of you guys also saw or have i mistook him for someone else? :))

[@sujanan9404]

People usually confuse lando’s manager with his dad

[@devries9528]

Charles is most handsome kid..

[@Housestationlive]

great topic. i wish the video was longer. stay safe my friend. you make the bests f1 podcasts so far out there !

[@KymIllman]

Happy to hear that. Cheers.

[@buncobooth]

Carlos Sainz Snr. won the Dakar three times (including 2020), not twice !

[@jukkao.parviainen8669]

And Finn Ari Vatanen four times. There you have a legend.

[@hanshagen3316]

7:44 That man behind antonio looks like that guy from britains got talent.

[@marcoroberts9462]

Simon cowell

[@smm482]

First time here. The topic was interesting but then the quality of the content was even better. Well articulated, ncie little inside information about the fathers delivered with uplifting tone. 👍

[@KymIllman]

Glad you enjoyed it! More to come!

[@davidorama6690]

Thanks for this video Kym!

[@Harrock]

Adam Norris looks like Cyrils Brother

[@christodejong42]

Love the video Kym. I hope we get to see a video with the mothers soon.

[@rositaortiz9438]

Fantastic video. Thank you.

[@TheJanvicgwaps]

Seb has got his eyes from his father..

[@snehaldhokle3685]

Very interesting content!

[@mancantswim66191]

So no ones talking about bald Grosjean at 1:06???

[@makskisovec]

Since he has a buzzcut and is not bald soo gues not...

[@kevinwacharapol7092]

He looks like that kid who used to bully me in middleschool for being asian

[@Ayad719]

@@kevinwacharapol7092 bruh

[@NortherngirlAnnK]

Thank you , Kym! Great as always :-)

[@KymIllman]

My pleasure Princess Ann.

[@TheMotorMouthPodcast]

Really interesting Kym! Loved the video!

[@KymIllman]

Good to hear.

[@FARISEO25]

When you see the photo if Kimi’s father (08:39) and you know he was a great guy!

[@vojtechklepetko5520]

Sainz also won Dakar at 2020, what a legend

[@berniehf]

Great video, cheers from Costa Rica

[@KymIllman]

Cheers back to Costa Rica.

[@LorenzoCorrado19]

7:22 did'nt expect that

[@ethanpimz3342]

R.I.P Herve LeClerc 🙏😢😭❤️💔

[@eriknaamot]

Such a nice video :) Thx Kym :)

[@AlejandroGonzalez-rw9kt]

Most of them sound really wealthy

[@LamboWalker23]

Yep F1 is obviously a rich man's sport

[@Noavaileblenames]

Yes, now they are. But many of them definitely wasn't at the start of their sons careers.

[@saturekiyoarcadia12]

The Two Finns Had Humble Upbringings (Valtteri Was Brought Up In a City Known as the Chicago Of Finland because of its high crime rate) Esteban had an extremely Poor Upbringing and Actually got Karts Off Pierre’s Family And Lewis Had a Poorer Upbringing too. I think Sebastian Was Kind Of Okay And the Same With Charles, I’m Honestly Not Sure About Romain And Checo. But yeah for the most part it’s rich kids, but that’s to be expected. This is a rich man sport

[@vishantvenugopal5693]

Alejandro González Definitely they all have talent though!

[@monxx15]

@@saturekiyoarcadia12 Charles' parents had a real problem supporting his career and at the age of about 14-15 the money ran out and that's when the Todt family stepped in and financed his career up to F1.

[@curvedbridge]

Ricciardo's Dad looks a bit like David Coulthard when he's wearing sunglasses

[@TwistedGalaxy]

Sergio's dad was a mechanic for Adrian Fernandez back in the day.

[@asx_sparks]

Quality video as Always Kym. Learnt a lot 👍

[@KymIllman]

Pass it on Alex.

[@charly0418]

Fun fact: Perez dad used to be Adrian Fernandez (Indy car driver) agent

[@fejic]

Wow Kimi's dad was such a legend. Thank you for believing in Kimi

[@morethan3756]

Happy Father's Day to all the F1 dads and to all Dads!!!

[@kiranbabu3426]

Young Kimi looks more like Kimi than Old Kimi.

[@hippo4g93]

kiran babu well I would hope he looks like his self

[@ethanpimz3342]

R.I.P Matti Raikkonen 🙏😢😭❤️💔

[@fillsgarage]

Great video. Interesting to see that at least 5 of the cimurrent drivers came from humble beginnings: Hamilton, Vettel, Raikkonen, Ocon & Albon

[@KymIllman]

Thanks for watching through to the end.

[@EL1AS_]

Valtteri?

[@diptwo]

cool channel. good intel. keep it up

[@gioprox5207]

Damn, it's sad that so many of these father die so early, and they don't get to see most of their son's career in f1

[@arnaudj.5314]

*Carlos Sainz father won the dakar this year too..*

[@jameslambert1479]

Are we gonna talk about the COVID safety ad just before talking about Sergio Perez dad

[@Platesmasher]

Thanks Kym Sick Dude. Nice video 👍.

[@KymIllman]

Thanks, there are so many for you too.

[@troman5000]

Good and interesting video. Thanks!!!

[@Ayush_2727]

9:22 Charles is so cute and funny lol

[@alexstamas7645]

Man I really like these videos

[@KymIllman]

you will like my new George Russell video. Goes up tonight

[@ronan_mcgurrin]

Thank you for the videos kind sir

[@KymIllman]

It is my pleasure Rowan Inn. Feel free to share it with your mates

[@keysersoze_6]

Missed these videos mate.

[@KymIllman]

Content is tough without new pics.

[@acbc3543]

I’m a 50 year old woman and I don’t have children and seeing Max’s age .. I could be a mother ... that’s nuts .

[@TvLOverdose]

ehm you can be a mother for over 30 years by now you knew that?

[@Noavaileblenames]

You could be a grandmother. Think about that!

[@acbc3543]

Noavaileblenames no thanks ! I like my freedom very free

[@kith1993]

5:34 his facial expesssion. It´s like looking into the future

[@Gazmus]

Kevin Magnusson looks like an identical clone of his dad....except for that one glaring obvious inevitably incoming difference with the barnet :D

[@johnwolf5731]

Can't wait for the 2022 version.

[@steves1204]

Never knew Lando as well as gasly are rich it doesn't make a difference on talent but it helps to make a career to a certain point

[@timsherman3324]

A sad curse is Ferrari's 3 young talents have all lost their dads before entering f1 -Charles Leclerc (Dad passed away before he was signed by Alfa) -Robert Schwartzman (Dad just passed) -Mick Schumacher (Hope Schumi is aware of his son's progress)

[@captiancrayola5126]

Ummmmm Michael isnt dead...

[@timsherman3324]

@@captiancrayola5126 I know, but it's so sad regardless