Kyokushin Karate with Head Punches (Shinken Shobu) - Aleksandar Komanov vs Sergey Osipov

Kyokushin-kan International
World Championship (2012)
Shinken Shobu
Final (+80kg)

[@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589]

I love the Gaurd these two have. This is what Karate is supposed to look like!

[@gam3r_playz770]

It’s what real karate is

[@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589]

@@gam3r_playz770 yes. Yes it is.

[@josephsale6254]

Hell yeah this is real Karate and they should add face punches with gloves by now

[@yongjiean9980]

@@josephsale6254 they had bare knuckled fight but eschewed that cos of broken fists and serious injuries. But do remember repeated hard hits to the head can be very damaging in the long run

[@scarred10]

Its actually kickboxing not karate at all What karate kihon do you see here no blocking ,stances or even punching like karate.What lyoto machida does in mma is what karate could look like if trained realistically.

[@joker-oz2od]

Osu !

[@dakentaijutsu2010]

This should be a middle finger to all those who say that we Kyokushin practitioners don't take punches to the face!

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

Hahahahaha you're right 😂🤣

[@kalogria13]

Real Kyokushin as it was teached by mas oyama had both punches and elbows to the face. Whoever says the opposite just denies history

[@deformitygurubashi]

But most actually don't.

[@FachrulRSiraj]

@@deformitygurubashi In Kyokushin, there are some rules that are different to each other. If we are talking about Chokusetsu Dageki, it means no head punches allowed. If we are talking about Shinken Shobu, it means Head Punches are allowed. If we are talking about Jissen Kumite, then Head Punches and Judo Grapplings are allowed.

[@WADE_WILSON_XFORCE]

When You jump in there with the no head punches and You can see just how combative it really is. Have some additional sparring/fighting with gloves and head punches and You become well rounded.

[@dojimanoryu4969]

That's good, so i guess some dojos still teach head punches and defense extensively. Would love to train it, but in my vicinity all i can find is shotokan and the bouncy bullshit version of karate.

[@ferumcastrum4097]

@@kakuto435 A karate that is full contact and with head punches will be good enough of a martial art. Cause if there’s no head punches, fighters will freeze if they can’t take a punch in the face.

[@thesun564]

I don’t know about defense lol

[@ToasterDsG]

That "bouncy bullshit" karate is unironically the style of Karate thats been used to great success in MMA.

[@dojimanoryu4969]

​​@@ToasterDsG shotokan can be effective if you train it right, but you can't deny most dojos focus heavily on kata and their kumite is a complete joke, bouncing around, barely touching each other and screaming like idiots. The shotokan karate that works is not the shotokan karate most dojos around the world teach and you know that. Take machida or wonderboy as an example, they had to modify a lot of things, i've never seen them block a hook or a straight with a forearm block.

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

This rule is the best, muay thai/kickboxing and boxing style can also adapted into this tournament I am white belt kyokushin, OSU! 🥋👊

[@rubickr]

Muay Thai rule is way better. It’s more complete stand up game

[@frans5374]

BS if the thai could use gloves he could try and hit the head using hands and elbows. on the other hand, if the kk had to use gloves he could not deal with them, he simply never used them. they would limit his striking skills....limit the way kk strikes !!! so, perhaps the best rules is no rules..if you want to fight a different styl just because of that style, then accept them as they are...

[@ronniep9272]

Completely different from the vast majority of Kyokushin fights. It just shows when head punches are allowed then everyone goes for that as their number one target.

[@slipperydoorknob2173]

This is a really cool ruleset. However, I have to critique the karatekas. Given the allowance of head shots they are sloppy as hell with their punches compared to bodyshots. And they put all their eggs into one basket because of that allowance. They know they just need a well placed punch to the face for a KO. They don't even try to punch the body, go for a knee, an elbow, sweep, or takedown.

[@zenman52]

Yes! I've always respected kyokushin practitioners, and now that's gone up a notch. I believe ALL kyokushin matches should be done with these rules; more realistic. Thank you to the organizers and participants. Great training. Osu!

[@syo577]

Agree. Kyokushin was left behind because it refused to evolve.

[@WADE_WILSON_XFORCE]

@@syo577 I'm strong believer that You should sparr with gloves and punches to head on top of the Kyokushin curriculum. Nothing wrong with Kyokushin, just have to add the gloves and head punches some times.

[@diobrando2160]

@@syo577 it should just be barehanded with strikes to the head

[@BogalaSawundiris]

@@WADE_WILSON_XFORCEOpen palm strikes with NO GLOVES and Kudo helmet is better

[@frans5374]

so the thai may not go for the head ? small wonder kk wins..

[@MRXN-fx5hq]

I think if karate would still be like this people would actually respect it

[@ajmjl9102]

It is just that sport karate is in the media more

[@scarred10]

Karate was never like this anyway,and you cannot train that way with tecreational students.

[@EugeakaEugene]

Do your research, not all karate is only Kyokushin. Okinawan karate styles like Goju Ryu have sparrings reminding combat sambo it is called Irikumi Go

[@EugeakaEugene]

​@@scarred10nope, stop lying

[@scarred10]

@@EugeakaEugene that is a specific competition ruleset that includes techs not even part of karate it's a very minor sub branch of goju and nothing like the original

[@SchoolIsAConspiracy]

Basically ends up being K1, seidokaikan

[@cahallo5964]

yeah but the cool version from last century not the watered down version of today

[@gagamushin6853]

With head punches/elbows this will be the best Martial art ever

[@val4803]

Looks cool, but they would benefit a lot from more emphasis on classic boxing techniques

[@user-md2fm7ik2z]

Yeah this just looks like kickboxing with very poor boxing skill

[@IlyuuJrry34]

@@user-md2fm7ik2z literally

[@edgar22452]

​@@user-md2fm7ik2zThis is what happens when u don't incorporate face punching in karate. It looks like piss poor kickboxing.

[@AlAllan-xm9en]

It is what it is.

[@kiryukazuma1164]

Is this competition still exist in Kyokushinkan?

[@KRFriedChickenGoOoODD]

Only in Kyokushin Kan

[@scarred10]

Its very rare,even in japan.

[@kalogria13]

@@KRFriedChickenGoOoODD There are similar competitions with the same rulesets from lots of kyokushin federations.

[@lightnang]

@@scarred10 doubt it's very rare

[@scarred10]

@@lightnang extremely rare compared to regular kyokushon rules even oyamas group dont do it.What you get is kickboxing and no karate anyway.

[@РекаИстока]

Вот что значит удары руками в голову!

[@ie9432]

Осипов наглядный пример Мастера Кекушина(без иронии),у него мышечная память про Кекушин..Как руки в голову пошли,а это азы боя на улице,те Боевого Исскуства,уже не тот мастер..

[@King_Achilles]

Love this of all karate tournaments were like this oh man . Karate would be respected

[@ferumcastrum4097]

It’s fascinating to see if they incorporate punches in the face it immediately becomes like Dutch kickboxing.

[@aidanpaim805]

Yeah, I think that because some of the first guys in Dutch kickboxing started there martial lives in karate dojos

[@DwellingTheAbyss]

Well meijiro gym created dutch kickboxing by mixing kyokushin and muay thai.

[@scarred10]

@@aidanpaim805 no,its because everything that works looks like kickboxing.

[@kalogria13]

@@aidanpaim805 True. Dutch kickboxing has it's roots in original kyokushin. Original curriculum has headpunches and elbows. Mas oyama included those in his karate after he got teached in cambodia the bando box tecniques. Kyokushin without headpunches is just for a traditional form of competition.

[@philippow7878]

Just make it bareknuckle and allow head punches, they should immediately think twice about sloppy head punching otherwise risk breaking their hands. In vid they are wearing gloves..

[@subsonic9854]

Looks like it is becoming Muay Thai. If they remove the gloves and add Judo it will be better.

[@subsonic9854]

@@kakuto435 Indeed if they removed the gloves and incorporated tds and subs it would look more like mma. But as it is it looks like mt because they're keeping distance and almost standing still, which would be impossible if they were ready to use or defend tds. That said, I just really want to see bare-fisted karateka punch each other in the face :D

[@TiagoPortas]

Muay Thai is very diferent, they use more clinch, elbows and knees, and also the kick techniques are diferent. The rules can be similar but the way to fight is diferent. And also theres no rounds, no 10 seconds count, is based on Ippon Karate system, so is very diferent.

[@subsonic9854]

@@TiagoPortas Sure.

[@kissPANCRASION]

@@TiagoPortas I see that, but Dutch kickboxing is based of kyokushin karate and its mad similar. The brutal leg kicks, but muay thai overall arsenal is better

[@dakentaijutsu2010]

They have that already, it's called Kudo!

[@kalogria13]

Original Kyokushin curiculum always included head punches and elbows. Mas oyama included those in his karate after studying bando box in cambodia. Also included throws and pivots inspired by aiki jutsu techniques. The thing is that lots of people are confusing the term martial art and combat sport. Combat sports have rulesets to promote competition and sportsmanship. Martial arts are about real environment situations. no point systems, no protection gears and no rulesets. Both are good to exist and both are useful for self improvement. Each for their special aspect.

[@UnleashedTraining101]

Hardcore fighters, but gloves don’t belong in kyokushin. Oyama would almost certainly say the same thing.

[@Potatodrumcrow]

Ahh the rockemsockem robots 🤖 of the karate 🥋.. 😌 ♥️

[@CabralNick]

That's awesome, keep up with the good content!!!

[@jokervx799]

Все деградирует до ММА.

[@ManofOneGod]

Still better than traditional Karate but Kudo is so much better than this.

[@Jefferson_oprotetor]

Kyokushin 👊

[@ferumcastrum4097]

Thank you man been looking for fights like this

[@grimmseti]

I get why they didn't want to allow headshots in kyokushin. They wanted the "realistic feel" of having full contact, but didn't want all the hand injuries. My question is: Why didn't they just use palm strikes instead then?

[@Kurakumakachilibaba]

I know your comment was 8 months ago, but to answer your question palm strikes to the face have 3 very bad possible outcomes, one is breaking your fingers on your opponents forehead, and the second is accidentally or intentionally gouging out the eyes of your sparring partner, and the 3rd is breaking nose in a very bad way (upward palm strikrs to the nose can kill, look it up.) Remember, you're moving and your sparring partner is moving so it's kinda hard to do a controlled and precision palm strike to the face while the body is a much larger target thus making it easier to do controlled punches that won't maim your sparring partner for life and won't break your fingers.

[@grimmseti]

@@Kurakumakachilibaba Huh. Good point. Thanks for taking the time to answer dude!

[@Kurakumakachilibaba]

@@grimmseti no problem bro. Glad I could help.

[@ravenoushydra7948]

all this shows is that karate doesn't teach good boxing fundamentals. what am i watching, 2 ppl who trained karate without headstrikes for decades, then one day they decided "lets show the world that karate is a complete martial art" and put some gloves on? nice kicks, but their boxing is just brawling

[@TheUira777]

Tall guy forget hit with knees .... and hooks

[@hectornonayurbusiness2631]

I wish they were bare knuckle but had head gear.

[@andrzejmazarski9091]

ćwiczyłem kyokuschin 9 lat i chodziłem na boks żeby uzupełnić techniki ręczne , które boks doprowadził do perfekcji

[@jasonrose6288]

Not for me. Brain soup.

[@sh1nighami]

eerily similar to a thai fight

[@snowballsnowball2132]

that's good and different👍

[@bulgariabg8182]

Like a man who had boxing experiance and begin training kickboxing with trainer black belt kyokushin karate former national team member. I dare everyone so called boxing experts , boxing monsters , competitors , trainers etc . Go to nearest kyokusin karate club take light sparring kiokushin rules .

[@sunarchetan5647]

Good fight

[@VoodooChild2000]

When head punches are added it looks just like Dutch kick Boxing

[@honigdachs.]

Yeah. Not surprising though, considering the fact that Kyokushin was one of the major contributors to the dutch style.

[@kennyray4266]

That's what dutch kickboxing basically is, kyokushin, boxing and a little muaythai

[@tshepokotelo3162]

Would training in Kyokushin improve my kickboxing?

[@minenhlekhumalo433]

Where are you from Tshepo?

[@tshepokotelo3162]

@@minenhlekhumalo433 Pretoria East

[@minenhlekhumalo433]

@@tshepokotelo3162 So you are a Kickboxer. I'm a karateka from KZN.

[@tshepokotelo3162]

@@minenhlekhumalo433 Yes maam, I am a kickboxer but I like Karate. Kickboxing doesn't have enough of a variety of kicks in my opinion. There are more kicks in Karate then in Kickboxing and Karate has superior conditioning to kickboxing. I'm very much interested in cross training Kyokushin Karate and Kickboxing,

[@minenhlekhumalo433]

@@tshepokotelo3162 That would be really helpful. Karate will make you tough because it has alot of conditioning. Specifically Kyokushin.

[@CorporaMedicina]

kickboxing.

[@HayashiCatholic]

Yes, Kickboxing came from karate, both American and Japanese.

[@CorporaMedicina]

​@@HayashiCatholic nah..its started as Muay Thai

[@HayashiCatholic]

@@CorporaMedicina Japanese kickboxing was born through karatekas dissatisfied with semi-contact, along with Burmese boxing and Muay Thai. It is worth mentioning Kenji Kurosaki a Kyokushin karateka who mixed his karate with Muay Thai Being one of the pioneers of Japanese kickboxing being considered by some as a creator of the style. Dutch kickboxing would later emerge from his academy. American Kickboxing, on the other hand, came up with Joe Lewis who even held the first kickboxing match in America and won, he was world karate champion and was one of the pioneers.

[@CorporaMedicina]

@@HayashiCatholic from Muay Thai dude...Muay Thai is kickboxing.

[@HayashiCatholic]

@@CorporaMedicina Muay Thai and Kickboxing are diferent arts.

[@m96920]

IS THIS KARATE? Need o training? I dont think so.

[@PLSCORPION227]

this is full contact karate, it is very different from semi contact karate because it allows you to hit with all your strength and allows you to knock out