PR2 and Simgot EA500 are the new market disrupters…and I love it!
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I don't think another brand can touch the price on a full planar. TRN tried but the driver seems to be sub-par. Just looking at how many PR2 were sold, yes, it has already started to disrupt the price point.
@joejunior4700 Жыл бұрын
I was expecting more reviews but getting your review earlier than others and you being one of my trusted reviewers is such a blessing to shed light on this new set.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
KZ has limited the scope of sets they send out directly, I assume Linsoul will follow on with more. Even HBB mentioned it with PR2, KZ wanted to drive more eyeballs to their store initially. KZ also shipped sets out quickly to those who purchased early so quite a few out there posting about it too. Thank you
@artatgray Жыл бұрын
My Jcally JM6 Pro arrived a few minutes ago. It's a 1.6Vrms DAC-AMP dongle, if I recall correctly. I'm happy with it, and I'm hearing no sounds of it straining when driving the PR2 even when listening to heavy bass and percussion tracks. I view it as a pretty good purchase for ~$12USD... 📱⚡🎧🎶🎶😎
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Sweet. I have paid attention to impressions with different sources and I think generally people are finding their way. Maybe more so that I assumed and I am definitely not complaining if it turned out easier to drive than initial estimates.
@glennwith2ns Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for your review! Mine just arrived today. These are my first planars and coming from the KZ ZAX hooked up to a HiBy R3 Pro Saber in balanced wiring. I definitely had to increase the volume to the 50-60s range to get full detail compared to 30-35s with the ZAX. With the volume range figured out from your tip, these sound wonderful. Cheers!
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Lately I have been seeing people on both ends, trying a dongle and having no issues and the others who can't believe how much volume it takes to get them to sound optimal. I think the dongle folks got sound at a reasonable level, but probably not in the zone like you are with an R3 Pro on bal.
@zenboy2000 Жыл бұрын
My only planar iem up to now has been the Tin P1, cant wait to try these.
@mayanksingh12 Жыл бұрын
Same. Have been using P1 max till now. Totally love it's balanced sound. Have purchased 2 pieces of PR2, one for myself & other for gifting purpose. Good earphones are best gifts for people who like quality audio.
@HardwareMana Жыл бұрын
Hey Paul! Does the pr2 match the pr1 Pro in terms of soundstage and imaging? Also, how far is it from something like the timeless or raptgo hook x technically?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I think PR1 Pro is better in those if you can handle that treble. All that upper energy works for the stage and imaging. PR2 rolled it back and bumped the pinna which tends to flatten the stage for me. It is easy to say that, but not everyone can handle PR1 Pro so that won't be an option for everyone. Timeless is still tech king as it is just a ton of raw detail and resolution. Timeless and S12 Pro rule that. Heyday balanced detail and techs with a tuning that is generally appealing.
@norbertoillan2255 Жыл бұрын
I've got some doubts, the great majority say that this PR2 is very hard to drive, and compared to the usual 110+dB/mW sensitivity the 94db/mW on this set seem to be clearly low. I have a 112db/mW and 29 ohms IEM which I use on 8/15 in the volume settings of my phone in loud environments (in quieter ones is 5/15), so I actualiy measured the Vrms of my phone output. At 15/15, max volume, it had 0.345Vrms, which I saw it was classified as somewhat low. At 8/15, the loudest setting I use, it measured 0.012 Vrms, and using a SPL calculator with my IEM impedance and sensitivity data with that Vrms it falls somewhere between 86-88 SPL (don't know exactly the impedance of my phone, but somewhere between 0.1 and 4 ohms must be); introducing the data from this PR2 (94db/mW & 15 ohms) and 0.056 Vrms or 11/15 on the phone settings shows a 85-87 SPL... So it appears to me that maybe it would be ok for me to use this KZ PR2 without even a dongle dac? am I missing something in the calculations? I would be very grateful if someone clarifies this to me
@FroySan33 Жыл бұрын
Take into account that sensitivity is measured logarithmically, so having 1db less means you need to double the power to get the same result (kinda). Having 18dbs less, means you'll need a lot more of power to get a proper volume output.
@lazar1an Жыл бұрын
My Pixel4a is maxxed out by the PR2, so is the Apple dongle (AU edition), definitely recommend something like a dongle dac. Shio for instance has zero issues.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I would say it will probably work. Everyone is going to say its hard to drive so there are no surprises and KZ made a point of making PR1 Pro easier to drive as their base is mostly phone users. To drop back in sensitivity was a surprise to me. Is the pinna bumped a bit so it appears easier to drive? Probably.
@matusjurcik6974 Жыл бұрын
Yes, its is definetelly not open back. Hi-fri opened the pr1 and its the same design. Inner plastic shell enclose the driver and there is just fake metal grill slapped on top. I am a little bit surprised that the pr2 has actually better air (over 15K) than the pr1pro and less 8-10K energy which human ears can still hear very well ( less sheen), over 15k not so much so better energy there makes me happy it will have that opened feel. Glad I pulled the trigger blindly right after announcement, yet still waiting for them to come 😅.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
At that price, you weren't alone blind buying. There were 1300+ sold on Ali when I looked which is a larger number for an Ali store.
@tro_b0t Жыл бұрын
How sound isolating are these? The back's design looks open-back but I doubt they are (I kinda wish they are) Even with the odd variants and their inconsistency, I'm looking hard at these (I've abused my KZ ES4's for long enough lol) as my first planar
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Hang on, wait for PR3. Both have the same shell and neither are open back as they look. I believe it is not open at all.
@Lionspel Жыл бұрын
I would love to try these using Fiio Q5S dac
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Basically you need some kind of dac/amp but yeah, it takes some juice to get up to volume.
@oijans Жыл бұрын
The Whizzer ET100 tips fixed the S12 sibilance for me and made them more enjoyable. I guess PR2 don't need that consideration. I'm looking forward to receiving them and compare them to the HeyDay. I guess I'm a little sensitive to too much treble.
@eloy5808 Жыл бұрын
what would you suggest if im using just a cellphone for music im eyeing on this set to try something new like planars but I cannot just buy something outright for $40. im just a student not much to spend hehe does DACs solve the power problem as mentioned it is difficult to drive
@oijans Жыл бұрын
@@eloy5808 If you buy the PR2 and just use it as is for now, you can save up to a dongle you can buy later. If that's too much, you can look into the TRN Rosefinch. I think it is pretty good and easy to drive.
@nigurut Жыл бұрын
@@eloy5808 buy Abigail pro
@eloy5808 Жыл бұрын
@@oijans ah ok i got it... thanks man
@blinkblik6924 Жыл бұрын
At this rate mainstream brands will never catch up
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I don't know if KZ can do this again without a collab driving the audience like this. I think both sides saw the opportunity and took it. Without HBB on the shell, not sure it would get this much attention.
@suba6639 Жыл бұрын
Ordered mines already waiting on Linsoul to ship.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I think kztws as their official store had first shot at inventory from what I can see from other people waiting for their sets to ship.
@tonedeafmonk Жыл бұрын
It's been a while since I had a Planar in my ears so your comments on the intensity was bang on. I was like whooooou girl not so fast!
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah. even HBB mentioned it too. As a larger audience tries it and planars in general, there is an adjustment curve to that intensity. Also where Heyday is different.
@thetechgenie7374 Жыл бұрын
The attack and decay is great on these. Timing good and soundstage width is great on the PR2 IEM’s the micro details is insane on these. I have IEM’s that cost 1k plus and been using IEM’s since the UE tripleFi came out in early to mid 2000’s. This was unheard of for $50 buck just a short few years ago. They blow most non hybrids multi drivers out of water that around $600 and under. Only IEM’s now have that sound more accurate are my UE customs and audio 64 IEM and my Sony IEM’s as they are tuned more reference neutral. The PR2 are good but definitely V shape but thankfully midrange is very good still and make up in extreme details.
@Owen-np3wf Жыл бұрын
Still waiting for my set of pr2's to be sent after ordering them almost a week ago. The wait it killing me. Hope running them on my btr3k from the balanced output gives them enough juice.
@gorjn1 Жыл бұрын
Btr3k is fine also BGVP T01s dongle (both balanced) sounds great. Loud, clean, great bass and imaging (spiral dot jvc tips). Unbelievable for the price.
@Owen-np3wf Жыл бұрын
@@gorjn1 thanks for the info bud, appreciate it.
@BC-ev4hl Жыл бұрын
Hi.... another great video Sir . any recommendations for eartips?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I tried both KB07 and flipped starlines. I don't think the actual tips matter as much as the fit needs to be spot on. Any bass leakage and you won't have a good time.
@silentKeys20 Жыл бұрын
Ready to try this pair with my DX3 Pro+. Nice review!
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah DX3 Pro should handle it and nearly anything else but those are super clean too which plays well in planar land.
@ernest4483 Жыл бұрын
Nice review Paul, I have the PR1 Pro and is a nice set, and I will just stick with the PR1 Pro
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yep, I think a ton of people are picking up PR2 regardless of the tuning simply due to price. The hardcore who picked up PR1 Pro and enjoy it, probably stick with it unless they just want another flavor.
@xioneksdot4660 Жыл бұрын
Does the volume, thereby the Fletcher-Munson curve, really affect the sound that much?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
So there are two things happening with the volume here. One, it needs power to get you to your normal listening volume. You will turn the dial trying to get there. Second, yes, that pinna area is touchy with volume for me and probably much smaller than what you are thinking on Fletcher. Again, it is that sensitivity to planar intensity which is why I liked Heyday where you had finer control on how volume affected the sound.
@dougmorato Жыл бұрын
It’s definitely a nice option for the price. I’ll pass it as I’m not a fan of the unnatural upper mids tuning, though. Great video!
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yep, some people will give it a shot and come to the same conclusion.
@artatgray Жыл бұрын
I've lived with mine for a day now and am very satisfied with them. I've EQed them to Harman compliant, but it's using very broad, shallow filters as it was already close at stock tuning. The EQ basically smooths out the 1.5kHz - 8Khz area and knocks down the bass a touch. I do have a more powerful DAC-AMP dongle on the way, because the PR2 definitely needs it - the 3.5mm output of either a phone or an Apple dongle barely drives to an acceptable volume. I purchased a rather inexpensive one that at least had one professional review: the Jcally JM6 Pro. It's got a separate amplifier chip that's supposedly able to pump ~2Vrms into 600 Ohm. All the best... 😎
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you are getting along with it. The 2Vrms is generally what people have been saying, 1.5 in a pinch. Apple is 1.0 which is a stretch with no headroom as you said. All the KZ planars do well with EQ but this one is different as it is the lowest cost model now.
@siliconsoundz Жыл бұрын
Great review as usual. KZ is making moves. The D-Fi is also a solid offering.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah, D-Fi was unexpected. EDXS is a maybe, we'll see if they change the 5k or worry about it later.
@dujankees Жыл бұрын
hey there Paul, question, I have money for BQEYZ Winter, and I'm after technicalities (imaging, soundstage, resolution, prefers natural sounding but detailed treble and enough bass), would you say it's the best in its price range? Thanks
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Tough one, Winter is a very cool set simply due to how they did the bone conduction. I personally think planars like Heyday still edge it out but Winter blew me away as it is just unique. Right now, I'd wait for Winter Ultra though as they haven't talked about the changes yet.
@dujankees Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii yes I was thinking of getting a planar like Heyday but I never want to hear any planar or BA timbre. Also considered IE600 but that's just too pricey. I guess I may have to wait for the bqeyz Ultra version then, thanks again
@ZeusPropofol Жыл бұрын
Great review! I agree with you overall. Received PR2 today. Listened and compared to all three IEMs: Heyday, PR1Pro and PR2. Pinna gain of 10+ db is too much for me. It sounds lean and bright. Yes, PR2 even becomes shouty with higher volumes. PR1 Pro with Comply tx500 tips lowers the highs just enough, making it sound more balanced.
@ignacio9151 Жыл бұрын
This is a question I would really appreciate if it is answered, considering this two kinds of planar IEMs, the ones in $150 roughly and the sub $80 ones, are there differences in technical performance? Or the quality of the drivers?
@ZeusPropofol Жыл бұрын
@@ignacio9151 Both are very capable technically. Upper mids appear to have more detail on PR2, but they are also about 3-4 dbs boosted compared to Heyday, so it can be just psychoacoustic at play. Heyday has a wider soundstage and slightly better imaging. Midbass has more slam and vocals and all instruments have heavier note weight. PR2 is harder to drive, the driver is not efficient. These are my quick comparison.
@ignacio9151 Жыл бұрын
@@ZeusPropofol Thank you, it is very surprising that this technology can compete with IEMs below $200 in terms of technicalities, with more tuning it will sure be a banger
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
My theory, pinna is there to make it slightly easier to drive and it may work out that way. For those who have amps, that pinna controlled my volume and as soon as I backed down, I liked it a lot more. I need to try the Complys.
@ZeusPropofol Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii I listened more to PR2, they sound ok with lower volumes. That extra pinna and bass help, kinda what home theater do with dynamic EQ: when you lower volume they boost treble and bass to help you hear everything with lower volume. PR1 Pro with comply tips is still my favorite budget planar
@aurelian9817 Жыл бұрын
You didn't talk about imaging
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I don't know if there is a planar with bad imaging. Another one of those issues where if you like super sharp imaging, PR1 Pro is probably the one. I don't think PR2 was about pushing the techs beyond PR1, it was more about an easier on the ears first planar for most people.
@aurelian9817 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii oh...okay I listen to classical orchestra (Bach and Vivaldi) only. So imaging is super important for me along with a natural sound.
@choloboy Жыл бұрын
Which is better HBB Collab? PR2 or Z300?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Its really hard to compare planars to 1DD or anything else. There are technicals that you get with a $40 planar that people are interested in that you can't get in a $40 DD. Z300 is a fun casual set if you are a casual listener and don't need planar speed and resolution.
@S1RBR4N Жыл бұрын
Will the LG v50 with high impedance mode ON be enough to drive it?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Probably but you might be maxing out the volume. I don't remember the power output on high impedance mode but it was there to drive some headphones.
@EG-MAN Жыл бұрын
This freaking planar is a Grado Headphone, Intense but technical, perfect for DIY experiments and EQ people
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yes, but the price is attracting a much larger group who are picking up their first planar so I didn't talk about that. But you are right and to be fair, all the KZ planars are great for EQ. Thank you
@oxyyygen Жыл бұрын
Lusya Dac Audio will do the trick? I think it has 1.5 Vrms output 🤔
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah, someone said 2 is better which is like saying more is better. The point is to get people who are on just phones to think more about it. But if you are picking up PR2 today on sale, you can always get a dongle later.
@judsonoliveira1708 Жыл бұрын
a conexant cx31993 61mv dongle can supply enough power for it to show the details of this planar iem?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
You aren't going to get a straight answer on that as it depends. Yes on paper it does but with planar, they scale up with power and don't sound at their best with the minimal power.
@kennethmatthewvillarias5229 Жыл бұрын
What kind of Dac should I use to power Pr2?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I have run across a couple calculations on it and ends up being in that 50-60mW range. Like everything else, that is subjective. Its not crazy but you will noticeably have less volume headroom on lower power devices.
@HoshPak Жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to trying these. I already got a pair of Hifiman Sundaras but im curious to hear what's possible at this tiny form factor. Let's hope the FiiO BTR5 has enough power to drive them balanced.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
On paper it does have enough power. On balanced, it definitely will but start with 3.5,mm if that is what you have.
@charliealphasix981 Жыл бұрын
"WHAT IN THE BOX?" Brad Pitt energy...
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Some tips and the same KZ stock cable. No heads. I'd guess Ian Fann showed the box.
@randynguyen6402 Жыл бұрын
are the technicalities better than the hexa? keep up the great work!
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
That is what planar are good at, technicalities but there is a price to pay in the treble intensity as I mentioned. That is why people point to Heyday, really tamed the treble but kept the techs. As you probably have been reading, PR2 needs a beefy dongle at a minimum to get to the point of appreciating what it can do. On the other hand, there is no other full planar at this price point so if you are curious enough and have a beefy source, hard to pass on PR2.
@eloy5808 Жыл бұрын
hi Paul there was this thing about this set being remodelled? to a bad way dunno how to say it, but as what i have read, there was like some piece taken off and it affects greatly on the sound not sure if this is true i was about to add this to my 9.9 list
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I have a second set that I liked more than my original. Yes, it was changed a bit and seems to be luck whether you end up with a more or less treble set. It is still a planar and best for people who are willing to EQ or mod it to their preferences at this point as it doesn't seem to be a reliable signature.
@eloy5808 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii oh really? then i guess that will depend on how you liked it. then it will not be in a bad way then , i guess. bcoz, the way you like sounds, is also appealing to me. hahaha. so it would be safe to say that it was for the better, unless, we dont like a more treble set. thanks Paul
@randynguyen6402 Жыл бұрын
could you eq something like the s12 to sound pretty similar to the heyday ?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yes, especially the original S12 was on the bright side and needed EQ for any chance to bring the bass down to Heyday. If you go here: pw.squig.link/?share=Shuoer_S12,Tangzu_Heyday Click the equalizer tab, remove the Harman target, and the AutoEQ button should generate the EQ for S12 to Heyday.
@fiddlix Жыл бұрын
Another great review. A great opportunity but I am planar poor atm lol.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yep this is tilted towards folks picking up their first planar
@keshavkadam456711 ай бұрын
I bought a KZ x HBB PR2 recently like 2 weeks ago but suddenly the left side IEM stops working after some stuttering and screeching noise and after 2 minutes it starts working again. I tried to check with Multimeter both continuity as well as Ohm's the reading shows normal Iam using desktop dac/amp EPOS (Sennheiser) GSX 300. But the problem only arises when listening to music, but when i play pink noise @70-80% volume the left side does not stutter or stops working it only happens when playing Music Any solution guys 😅
@PaulWasabii11 ай бұрын
Welcome to Chi-fi. If you are on Facebook, reach out to one of the KZ reps, Tyvan Lam or Jenny KZ. Otherwise you will go complain to the store you bought it and they will push back on replacing it. Depending on which store is involved, the process is more or less painful.
@Kjrov Жыл бұрын
Would an Apple dongle be enough to properly drive this with a smartphone?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Its a struggle to get to a usable volume with the North America version. EU is a no. It is a bit under powered so you are most likely going to max the volume and may or may not get to your desired volume.
@TheChazas Жыл бұрын
Wonder how PR2 v2 differs after KZ removed the mesh on top of the drivers and updated PCB with the new batches. PS how it reacts to EQ, can it be EQd to more bassed head IEM?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
That is the annoying bit with KZ. This isn't the first time they make a small change but very rarely does someone have both the old and new to see if there was a change. What I noticed is some PR2 models measuring very close to PR1 Pro which is odd. I just don't know if that is the same issue or coincidence.
@TheChazas Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii I have seen people report and showing graphs that new batches without damper mesh sound very different, and basically is not HBB tuned anymore.
@thetechgenie7374 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabiiThey actually came out with a 3rd revision of the PR2’s it better then both the first and second revision. The first found to be lacking in mid bass and lower midrange. The second had to much peaking in present and Brilliance range. The 3rd the tuning is finally correct and literally sound more accurate and micro detail is insane. It literally mess it up for me as no longer I can listen to my moondrop variations , or my shure 535 IEM’s the PR2 blows them out of water easily. The quickness and details are insane on the pr2. I had to use my UE 18 customs as a reference and go back to the Moondrop to test to see if my mind was acting as a DSP and nope the PR2 actually sounded more accurate and the attack and decay is great while the shure especially sound muddy as slow. The PR2 excels at micro details, instrument separation while being very quick and having a above average soundstage width wise better then most IEM’s tested. I am surprised and shocked you can get this quality at $50 bucks it literally blows away $600 dollars and under IEM’s out of the water. This was unheard of just a few years ago back in 2017 and bellow. No it not going to be as good as some 1k plus IEM’s like Sony IEM’s or audio 64 and UE customs but the fact it comes close and blow pretty much all balance only multi drivers and dynamic drivers out of the water is impressive. It tells me Planar drivers is going to be a game changer. The only issue found you can not use a Apple dongle you have to use a decent DAC/Amplifier while most IEM’s a Apple dongle is fine. The PR2 definitely need a amplifier capable of 2vrms and very linear and very low THD. You need it for headroom and then they are a whole different animal. A Apple dongle bass is going be lacking and they going to sound loud but not great at higher volume. Plus THD becomes a issue as timbre is bad and you heard low static. With amplifier is dead silent and no low static.
@YohnzyRR Жыл бұрын
How do they compare to the S12?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
The OG S12 are like PR1 Pro, super detailed and treble heavy. S12 Pro brought the treble down so going to be closer. But the premise is PR2 as your first planar rather than picking it up to replace your S12. If you have S12 Pro money, that is a great set. Everyone else will use PR2 for a while and decide if that is an upgrade for them.
@YohnzyRR Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii Thanks
@Shinjutsu211 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii I am confused to choose between s12pro or pr2 , can you explain the tuning & technical comparison ?
@ndjdj79895 ай бұрын
Ey paul, can i ask, how does kz pr2 compare to cca hydro when it comes to technicalities? Which has betterr soundstage and details and imaging?
@PaulWasabii5 ай бұрын
Tough one as Hydro is really nice and PR2 is more of a ymmv on tuning. If you want to save money, buy a PR2 and learn to EQ. If you want a highly resolving hybrid that sounds like more expensive hybrids, that is Hydro. PR2 is nice, but I'd bet it needs some EQ as there are many variations on that set.
@ndjdj79895 ай бұрын
@@PaulWasabii thanks for responding, i hope i get lucky and get the version with the mesh lol
@portugasanwa Жыл бұрын
I´m close to buy the Letshouer S12 for 99 euros, but now with the PR2 on the market for 40 euros I dont know what to choose, I have a dongle from Ifi go Link, it has 70mw power, it is enough? I have the neoteck amplifier too, but I dont know how many mw it pushes, in some place it´s advertised 250mw at 32 ohm, in the site it´s only 85mw, chinese stuff, what to excpect....
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
If you have S12 money, then you get S12 Pro. For folks who just want to try a planar with less investment, that is PR2. S12 Pro is a great set.
@portugasanwa Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii I know that S12 pro has a better cable but is 40 euros expensive, beside the cable it sounds the same? Simgot EA500 got my atention too, oh choices...🤔
@carvalho7davi7 ай бұрын
What would say if wanna to use them for PS5 gaming?
@PaulWasabii7 ай бұрын
Fine, but the planars require more power/volume.
@GiusBakingPassion Жыл бұрын
I've got one of these and if you are willing to tune down 2.5 and 5K a little bit via eq, the result is impressive.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Correct, and I would say the same on all the KZ planars, they are much better if you are willing to tweak them to your ears. Driver is solid, just needs to be tweaked a bit with EQ.
@GiusBakingPassion Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii I wonder if some sort of damping material could do the trick. My impression in that, considering the quality of the driver, they rushed to put the product on the market. Maybe with a little bit extra tweaking they could have had a nearly perfect planar at a killer price
@tweedeldee8122 Жыл бұрын
Guess my order amazon order 4/27 is coming via row boat.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I also think they sold more than they anticipated. In the grand scheme of fulfilling orders, I don't know where Amazon fit in their scheme. With the success of the set, now lots of stores are selling it as well which doesn't help all the initial orders fulfill faster.
@tweedeldee8122 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii Appreciate the reply Paul! Gives me a chance to go dig my Atom Amp and D-10 out of the garage.
@kylianhaaland7054 Жыл бұрын
I use a usb dongle. How much power dac/amp would be enough for kz pr2? And would you recommend this set, since I've heard that there's some quality control issues
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is more of a gamble. I have no idea as I have measured 3 of them and all are slightly different.
@dropyvisuals4355 Жыл бұрын
Is it good/worht it without any DAPS or Dongles ?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I would say no but not a horrible idea to get it and buy a dongle later. The problem is planars can reproduce very fine details and you need to feed them very fine details which is why they par will with DAPs and dongles.
@letsmobiles3396 Жыл бұрын
If i have to purchase one better that just buy the pr2 for better value or save up to heyday for better tuning?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Maybe, the hobbyists either already have a better dongle or don't mind upgrading as they will use it with other sets. I agree though, spending money just to use PR2 is an additional investment that not everyone is willing to do. S12 Pro or Heyday are near the top if you have a budget for them.
@giannisapostolopoulos9217 Жыл бұрын
Nice review man! what I haven't gotten yet is, setting aside the tonality differences, what more you get (if anything) if you buy a more expensive planar such as the P1 Max or the Heyday vs the PR2. Also something like the Tanchjim Space or Truthear Shio could drive these properly?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah, better to have some dongle than no dongle. Planars being relatively new, settled into a few groups. The OG gang like Timeless and S12 Pro are treble bangers. P1max rolled that back a bit into a less planar in your face sound but lost some wow. And then there is Heyday which bridged the gap from OG planar tech to more mainstream mid-fi levels. PR2 is that taming of the upper treble like Heyday. So you can spend more money, but not necessarily better, mostly different tuning with similar planar drivers.
@_overchaos_ Жыл бұрын
So what's the cheapest dongle that can drive these? If it needs one that's more expensive than the IEMs themselves, it kinda defeats the purpose of the low price.
@koningklootzak7788 Жыл бұрын
$100
@JovanKK Жыл бұрын
I guess it need at least truthear shio level Someone said 7hz 71 wont cut it
@_overchaos_ Жыл бұрын
@@JovanKK Damn. I guess planars aren't for me then (unless we get way more efficient drivers at this price point in the future).
@koningklootzak7788 Жыл бұрын
@@_overchaos_ PR2 has the lowest sensitivity among planars, 94db. I drive P1 max (98db) without a dongle DAC on my phone, though at Max volume. I'll pick PR1 PRO over PR2 any day.
@_overchaos_ Жыл бұрын
@@koningklootzak7788 At its discount price PR1 Pro would be a great buy, but as it stands, I think there are better tuned IEMs in its price class even though they aren't planars.
@artatgray Жыл бұрын
While I wait for the new dongle to arrive, I remembered I had an older dongle tucked away and tried it with the PR2. It works, and is able to drive it to a higher volume than the Apple which really makes the PR2 come alive. If I were to make a comparison, the listening experience is now much like that of a great set of speakers in an acoustically good room - both of which I happen to own. I'm impressed enough to have spent the entire night revisiting some classic favorites in my library. They sure do sound good... 📱⚡🎧🎶🎶😎
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Perfect. Apple is 1.03Vrms or close to that and most people who thought about it longer than I did are saying you need to get to 1.5 or 16Vrms. That isn't a monster dongle at all, but still going to need a dongle with your phone.
@eloy5808 Жыл бұрын
so Paul, I was eyeing on this set but you mentioned about a good source is needed you think that those DACs that said they have a more powerful output can do the job? as you see, my music source is just a cellphone or what do you suggest that I can insert between my cellphone and the PR2 hope you get what I mean im lost of words on how to describe it hahaha... sorry man
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Sadly I am not big on the dongle scene. Option one, just buy PR2 and crank your phone. It should get you there with not much volume to spare. If it doesn't, by the time that happens, there should be a lot more people with PR2 and dongles. I am guessing that any cheap dongle at the top half of AndyEF's donglemadness list with 50mW or more is a good start. But really, I'd either order now and sort it out later or just wait a couple of weeks and there will be many more people trying it on phones and dongles.
@devicharan286 Жыл бұрын
Hii, does the pr2 have a tuning filter in the nozzle?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
It appears to be just a fine metal mesh. Does that affect the tuning, probably but doesn't look like there is a filter attached to the back of it.
@nazreenshah8001 Жыл бұрын
Does the es100mk2 got enough power to drive this?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yes, the 2.5mm has a lot of power for a tiny device but 3.5mm should be fine too.
@amanieux Жыл бұрын
is there any interest buying pr2 if you already have s12 ?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
No, S12 has it covered. PR2 is more for first timers who have been on the sidelines of planar wars. Some people were picking it up just to have a beater planar for on the go but no, its just an affordable model for those who were curious but not $100usd+ curious.
@jonathanedward5288 Жыл бұрын
If you have budget for heyday, would you buy the hey day or stick to the pr2 and save more money?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Heyday is a better set and no one is trading in their Heyday for a PR2. I'd wait for the Aliexpress sale end of next month and see if Heyday goes on sale though.
@matusjurcik6974 Жыл бұрын
@PaulWasabiih Hi Paul, I swapped the original damper of the pr2 for tanya damper and it improved the sound. I highly recommend you to try 😊. I think it smoothed out that uppper mid area and now it appears as cleaner yet thicker sounding. It helped with note weight imo. And its easy to swap it back if u dont like it
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Between you and me, KZ has been trying different materials on other sets so not surprising you found an improvement. I talked about it a bit with EDXS, I think they are trying to find the balance of less dampening and maintaining a generally appealing sound with their new tuning styles. Tanya will definitely take down the upper rmid or you can EQ to another set in that area. I won't be surprised to see some new nozzle materials and meshes to appear on upcoming sets.
@matusjurcik6974 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii yeah it makes sense, tanya damper is 400 grade and the stock pr2 damper is much ,,looser,,
@SanilShah1999 Жыл бұрын
For someone like me who's considering upgrading to an s12 from thr dq6, should i just go for this and save some money?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
If you have S12 Pro budget, then get the S12 Pro. PR2 is great for people who have a decent dongle and just want to try a planar.
@SanilShah1999 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii Cool! Thanks!
@randynguyen6402 Жыл бұрын
For anyone looking to buy pr2s, kz for some god awful reason decided to remove the mesh dampeners on more recent pr2s and now the treble is piercing. Kz fails to learn their lesson it seems
@RandyNguyen-lx8rm Жыл бұрын
apple dongle enough to power these?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Probably not and definitely not with the EU version. Apple dongle sounds great, not much power.
@RobertRobert-hb1mo Жыл бұрын
Hey mate Just wondering, do you think UGREEN 5.0 bluetooth dac/amp will suffice to power the Pr2's? For context UGREEN's are just basically a knockoff Fiio Btr3 (I'm broke so i can't really afford the real deal, cheers.)
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Short answer is not exactly sure as they don't list the output power, but having a battery is typically going to signify it has enough power. The battery powered dac/amps like BTR3 typically output more power than usb powered dongles.
@RobertRobert-hb1mo Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii thanks, appreciate the quick feedback man :)
@eyadalabasy1257 Жыл бұрын
As a new explorer to the IEM/HIFI world, I'm baffled by how many choices I have, would you say for a first choice IEM the Pr2 is good choice (I'll grab a dongle with it)? or would stepping in with something simpler and cheaper like Qkz x Hbb be better. I tend to like warmer sounds, but I don't mind exploring something outstanding like the PR2, my question is, will it be too much for a starter? Thank you man. :]
@eyadalabasy1257 Жыл бұрын
You earned a new subscriber. x)
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Most definitely go with something easier, QKZ x HBB especially if you watch his reviews and understand his library. If you just want a middle of the road good set, Tangzu Wan'er or Kiwi Ears Cadenza. From there, you can jump down the rabbit hole.
@eyadalabasy1257 Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii Thank you for the insightful info, as I am seeking thay 'wow' moment but I still don't want something that is too much or perhaps I won't like, I agree with you, better off start with something safer. Honestly even safer iems will probably wow me considering what I used to listen with haha.
@ekjellgren Жыл бұрын
Would iFi Gold Bar be enough?
@petrpulpytel Жыл бұрын
yes, without a problem, its the most powerfull dongle on market.. I had it for some time.. its very powerfull...
@Goofy_BASSTURD Жыл бұрын
Please lock your focus.
@chanmunphang8361 Жыл бұрын
Paul is a regular dongle dac going to be fine to drive?
@juanjoset.a.393 Жыл бұрын
I have the pr2 too. IMO, you will need a 2V dongle for a decent experience. 5V DAP or DAP for the best experience.
@chanmunphang8361 Жыл бұрын
@@juanjoset.a.393 thank you bro
@koningklootzak7788 Жыл бұрын
No
@JovanKK Жыл бұрын
@@juanjoset.a.393 Any idea about the cheapest 2v dongle on market? I dont really know much about DAC
@juanjoset.a.393 Жыл бұрын
@@JovanKK You can look for a dongle that has the CS43131 chip. It seems to me that they all have 2VRMS They cost around USD 20-30
@pjmt29 Жыл бұрын
I have bought this with the discount code Chris put up earlier, I was buying it anyway but got it for £30 Nice. I have the original Tangzu so it will be good to see where these line up for £100 less.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Cool, I ended up seeing his post a few hours later and added it.
@tammasus Жыл бұрын
Why isn’t anybody comparing it to the timeless?? Isn’t it relevant?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is relevant in terms of planars from last year. Timeless is that classic planar timbre, a bit raw, but insane detail. But it left quite a gap between that much treble and what people are used to in 1DD and even hybrids. That is where Heyday came and reset the perception that planars can do treble that is just as detailed, but without the crazy level. More like a mid-fi hybrid. On the KZ side, basically PR1 and PR1 Pro were in that Timeless signature, too much treble for the majority. So PR2 brought it down in similar way as Heyday. So Timeless is still relevant, but Heyday and PR2 are moving in a direction that is attractive to a larger audience.
@tammasus Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii thank you so much. Never expected an actual reply.
@kamrankambang7953 Жыл бұрын
Im new to iem. But pr2 v2 is my 2nd iem and its my best. While its true the treble is a bit too high, giving it few db reduction helps a lot. Im able to run it using simple dongle but it might need more but so far im debating whether to get a dongle dac or getting the simgot ea500. Comparing this to my first iem the kz dqs, it might not be apparent the improvement for first few hours. But after few days, i can say im starting to understand the difference. It's like watching video in 1080p bumping up to 4k. The 1080p look hideous after that. 😂. For beginner like me, if you dont have a dac you might better of getting the simgot ea500. Its easier to run directly from phone. Cheers
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Very true. Ultimately PR2 was a $30usd set that needed $50usd dongle and will scale up with as much money as you have, especially tweaking the treble. EA500 is a bit of the same, it is a beast of a driver for the price.
@amanieux Жыл бұрын
If pr2 requires at least 100mw then it is no longer a $45 iem, it is a $100 as you have to add $55 for a 100mw dongle dac ( dc03 pro for example) if it requires even more power to sound ok then it is $125 iem as you need $80 more for a beefier q11 or ifi uno.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yep and I think there is a reason HBB also mentioned it. I am not sure why the sensitivity dropped as this was an issue on PR1 and better on PR1 Pro.
@amanieux Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii yes there is a market mismatch, a $45 iem is for midfi users that powers their iem from a $10 dongle so does it makes sense ? does a pr2 on a low power $10 dongle (30-60mw) sound better than a sub $45 single DD iem ? (do you have contenders to list ? kz dfi ?)
@koningklootzak7788 Жыл бұрын
That's the point most people ignore and just jumping on the hype wagon. PR1 PRO is much better iem to own. HBB intentionally minimized this point.
@alexc7857 Жыл бұрын
If you already had a desktop amp it's no biggie 😊
@alexc7857 Жыл бұрын
@@koningklootzak7788 it's double the price, and not necessarily, I think they're just different
@matusjurcik6974 Жыл бұрын
Omg omg, finally finally ❤ pr2 😄, 🎉🍿.In the case of emergency, that upper mids can be tamed down by vent mod (y filters), or by using the TRN t tips 😊💁.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I didn't play with it, but a $40usd full planar with that upper treble tamed is perfect for mods or EQ or just tips.
@HeliBenj Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, that’s helpful, just as a kind criticism, that could be 5 mn shorter, you sometimes come back several times to the same idea
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I agree. I mostly assume people don't watch the whole thing and bounce around. I also like to talk about the important stuff earlier for people who have less time. But you are right.
@yerizawwwa Жыл бұрын
noice
@AlexB-dl5ou Жыл бұрын
Realistically you can auto eq the pro to the pr2. Either way kz making strides yet again, soon their dd's will be able to stand with anyone and their planars are making strides. Good to see, they need to work on the cable a bit but not that big of a deal
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Realistically that is exactly what I would do. Coming up with your own blend of the two signatures is the way.
@delicrux Жыл бұрын
I have the pr2 with hiby r3 pro dap using USB or ldac over by. At my desk I use the fiio q3 Everything you said about power and fit is correct my Xperia 1ii has built in dac but it's not enough power on its own. I typically like neutral tuning so I'm trying to get use to the hbb sound. These are smooth for planar but far less fatiguing than the dioko due to the recessed treble. But I can always use custom equipment on my phone or hiby r3
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah its not the dac, its the amp after the dac. I think everyone is being overly cautious with the power to drive as you don't want to keep telling people it is easy to drive and then end up with a ton of people complaining. I'll be super happy when someone says I was wrong and they work fine with some phone. It is easier to say that with PR1 Pro though as they specifically addressed it with that configuration.
@delicrux Жыл бұрын
@@PaulWasabii the hiby r3 is a portable dac + amp same with the fiio q3. When I use the pr2 with it it is very thirsty for iems but not as thirsty as the he4xx or the gl2000 double magnets. But I'm not saying the pr2 need power so much for volume but to fully hear the details they can put out. On just my sony Xperia 1ii I have to buy it 2 notes above max volume to get details out but if I run the dioko or isign10 they need far less volume and power for detail. With that said I do like the pr2 it has some silky qualities that allow me to listen for longer
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh Жыл бұрын
The measurements on the PR2 seem to be really close to the ones of the og tangzu zetian wu. Would you say they also compare nicely to each other in subjective terms? Are they close enough in terms of sound?
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
I never heard the OG Wu, but someone who has mentioned it to me this morning. Basically said that, similar enough that you would take the $40 option.
@rustyshakelford1466 Жыл бұрын
I have both, and to my ears the graphs make them seem more similar then they are in reality. The PR2 comes off noticeably brighter sounding with less sub-bass focus. I like the Tangzu better but after EQ the PR2 is like 80% as good with a similar level of detail. I will be keeping the PR2 and using it out of the house more because it shouldn't be hard to replace it and it's pretty cheap, whereas the OG Zetian Wu will become harder to find eventually I think.
@Whit-mh9nt Жыл бұрын
you have the mesh on the faceplate its different from what they are shipping to the punters which sounds different. Pr1 Pro is better anyway for me, detail deatail and more detail, its planar sound, not fake DD. Twice the price though. Pr2 nees 3Vrms minimum. Pr1 pro is good with 2Vrms. Neither are good on a phone no headroom.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Yeah I had an early set with the mesh and I have a later set without it. They are quite different and perhaps different than what other people received. I agree though, they need some power to sound right and then maybe some EQ to dial it into your preferences.
@renatobdc Жыл бұрын
I think I will just wait for the possible release of PR2 PRO in the future (😂) with a reduced amount of pinna gain. I cannot cope with such amount of pinna.
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Right, I can guarantee there will be posts of people putting dampers on the nozzle, EQ settings, etc. The set is so cheap that enough people will buy it and start tweaking.
@rdn658 Жыл бұрын
nice
@hanquah Жыл бұрын
New revision batch have no mesh cloth. It's another scams from kz again. Hbb graph is no where in pr2 (2nd revision non mesh). Kz got away again with this bs. I won't buy this pr2 again because many complaint about treble piercing even with hi end dac amp. 1st batch is superior with mesh inside
@PaulWasabii Жыл бұрын
Still deciding if that is the case or not. Certainly KZ removed the mesh and changed the nozzle mesh as compensation. That is the story until someone can measure both and I think HBB is on the way to doing that.
@koningklootzak7788 Жыл бұрын
Everybody jumping on to it just because it's so cheap. That's dumb. PR2 needs a good DAC to drive it. Not even a dongle DAC will drive on smartphone. Also it's got funny treble. I'd choose PR1 PRO any day.
@migracing8232 Жыл бұрын
I’ve pr1 and pr1 pro but pr1 are harder to drive than pr1 pro but the thing is I prefer listening to pr1 cos I’ve powerful dongle Dacs that drives it perfectly