Lady Maria Discussion (with Michela Dee London and Jeremy Greer) [Bloodborne Lore]

[@SinclairLore]

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[@plasticreplica]

i just discorvered the channel a few days ago and i am going through such a difficult time lately and listening to soul game lore and sophie's conforting voice really brings me a bit of joy

[@SinclairLore]

[@embodythejotun]

Welcome and hope things get better for you!

[@loC2ol]

Hope things turn around for you! Welcome to one of the best lil Souls family out there!

[@k0sm022]

Welcome to the snack covenant! We got lots of snacks… And Lore! Hope things turn up for you. I remember first discovering Sinclair Lore a couple years ago when I wasn’t in the best place in life and just playing the original Dark Souls and binging their content for months straight. I came for the lore and stayed for the laughs :)

[@Michela]

I hope things turn up for you! Sophie's voice really is soothing, isn't it?

[@typhonyx_was_taken]

There’s no way to know anyone’s true motivations in Bloodborne without projecting, but I think it’s important to remember that Maria does tell the player why she’s trying to stop them from learning the truth. “I know how the secrets beckon so sweetly… A corpse should be left well alone” She’s willing to throw away self identity (like Malenia) and give in to her Bloodtinged heritage in order to stop a curious hunter on the quest to unveil secrets and power from raiding the Hamlet and desecrating Kos’s corpse further, or harming the Orphan. I interpret the fight as her throwing away her self actualization in a final bid to stop the crimes she enabled and/or committed in the Hamlet from happening again, even to a nightmare reflection of the Hamlet. In the end, Maria gives all that she is away to stop the knowledge hungry from raiding the Hamlet. True atonement

[@MrBedZeppelin]

Again and again, Sophie knocks it out of the park! This analysis is so well put together, it might as well be better than canon, if not, as close to Myazak's thought process, as it gets. The ability to proofread Myazaki's work, is done SO well!! Redgrave is only jealous of your incredible insight. Your humble work is strongly acknowledged! Thank You for sharing! Great Group assembled here! Thanks once again!

[@WolfHreda]

Sophie's exasperated explanation from behind the scenes is one of my favorite parts. Always.

[@k0sm022]

It finally happened. The end of an era

[@nishihii]

loooved everything about this lore discussion! what i appreciate the most is that you talked about her relationship with adeline! i feel like so many people ignore that part of her lore even tho- i would- deem it extremely important! thank you for doing that! (and clarifying that she DOESN'T hate her heritage, with her garb and weapon she seemingly takes pride in it- albeit disagreeing with certain practices in her culture. love me some character depth mwah) and one last thing i'd like to add is why she tries to prevent the player from accessing the fishing hamlet-- it could also be that she genuinely wants the place to be left in peace without any disturbances that could also be taken under what you've already suggested tho- that she's trying to prevent it from happening again once again- loved this video, have a good one.

[@danielrhodes548]

Think Kos would be happy because her Child’s shade would be released from Hell. That’s always what killing the shadowy soul thing coming out of Kos’ corpse after the fight seemed to be. The child might not ascend, but maybe it can be REBORN. (Pun but also the purpose our Hunter may serve in their own evolution. To carry the will of the Orphan’s blood onward.)

[@novembersuitealso1900]

a friend of mine recommended me the snack covenant a few days ago and i have to say its positively delightful thank you so much

[@SinclairLore]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@droka1564]

Revisiting these is always a joy

[@halfknight2310]

36:46 my assumtion, is kos isn't happy you killed her child. she's happy you freed him of his rage. Going on to what you said later. you freed him of his suffering and let him (his soul) return back to the ocean. his soul was trapped inside the nightmare. while his body died, his soul and mind was too restless, too vengeful, too angry. but you destroyed the nightmare and freed him. And sent him back to where he was meant to be. notice how despite his mother seeming to be mostly intact despite being a "rotting corpse". she's intact. cause that's what the child would remember his other to be. a beautiful figure. while he, he sees himself as a monster. a mosnter trapped in a nightmare of his own (and his mother) making. notice how the shadow (from what i could see) is no longer holding the fishhook. he no longer is holding onto his rage anymore. he no longer seeks vengeance. he let go of the thing that killed his mother. he let go of what caused him pain. and all you had to do now, was put him to rest. sever his connection to this realm and allow him to return home. that is what lifts the curse. that is what brings Kos and her child peace. To kos, even though she died, at least there was someone able to set her child free. released him from his pain. he no longer suffers. And to kos, this is all she could wamt/ for what does a mother want more, than her child's happiness? at least, this is my theory/ what I put together.

[@feircy]

Not sure why I randomly stumbled onto these but they are pretty great background noise. Love the ones with lokey and learning about the translation differences

[@SinclairLore]

Thank you :)

[@skippycoulter]

That visit from Queen Yharnum totally sent me.

[@frothyham]

Talk about a VISCERAL ATTACK...I think she destroyed Queen Annalise worse than Alfred did.

[@loic.cruziqbal]

this is amazing stuff. best episode in a podcast full of the best souls analysis out there

[@SinclairLore]

ty!

[@glb1993]

Found this channel only a matter of days ago but I'm rather glad I did I've enjoyed the interaction between you guys :). Seems like a lot of fun times between you two and subsequently any guests :). Also Sophie and Sin I already love you both your wonderful people :D.

[@SinclairLore]

Aw welcome to the family

[@Verum_XXII]

Also, Sophie like many others I can't dive into the lore just yet with how big Elden Ring is and working a full time job. I do want to thank both of you however, as it was your bloodborne lore videos that got me enthralled in the souls franchise. LOVE ME SOME KOS

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[@legallearnedgoron]

doesn't feel the same without the huge gaps

[@SinclairLore]

lmao, true cultist

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[@SinclairLore]

Ty :)

[@LosferWerds]

Stumbled on this channel because I've been watching everything I can on Elden Ring. I can't play Fromsoft games due to my PTSD , but the lore and themes are amazing. Sin and Sophie have been so good for my depression and anxiety that I will keep coming back and try and help out with that algorithm as I go through the backlog. Keep creating.

[@SinclairLore]

i'm sorry to hear about your ptsd

[@pixelgun4789]

I came for some lore on my most favorite Boss of Bloodborne. And tayed for fun I had during this podcast.

[@msalicekeys]

@19:45 I swear to you im literally not watcin the ER stuff only bc I haven't played yet!! i cant afford it. I plan to watch when i play! i can only imagine what concise and thoroughly designed podcasting awaits ahead

[@legallearnedgoron]

Michela doing the Maria voice makes me feel...things

[@glb1993]

She did very good 🙂 I thought so anyway lol.

[@dahliasdarkside1695]

Awwww hi Jeremy and Mikaela!!!!!!!!!

[@NotECEC]

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[@christiansmith49]

If we go with the idea that maria totally broke off from cainhurst, her clothing may also be a representation of inner turmoil at the point of her life when she was a hunter. She wears hunter's garb but the cainhurst style shows how she feels she can never fully escape her past

[@metaldoji]

Can you guys cover the Perfumers in Elden Ring? The lore behind them seems pretty interesting

[@loC2ol]

Question! Speaking of timeline, Sophie mentions the fishing Hamlet and Byrgenwerth stuff happened before the finding of Ebrietas. Did just Lawrence and his separatists find Ebrietas or did they all find her as one Byrgenwerth under Willium still, aka before the split?

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

They find her in Isz, and the Isz chalice is called "the first Great Chalice brought back to the surface since the time of Byrgenwerth", which implies Byrgenwerth had collapsed by then.

[@loC2ol]

@@sophie.m.pilbeam Gotcha, makes total sense, as the Choir is kinda related/started cause of her, and Choir comes later in the known overall timeline. I’m a sucker for a good timeline lol! Thank you so much Sophie!

[@embodythejotun]

Yay! So cool to hear Jeremy as a surpriseguest! He's great! Still His Kingdom Keeps fam represent!

[@NotECEC]

Thanks! ❤

[@quinnsine1650]

Y E S I was going to write a serious of strongly worded letters if Michela wasn’t here.

[@Bowblaxian_Tricknology]

I would argue that atonement is a major recurring theme in all of From's games for the last decade.

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[@k0sm022]

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[@SinclairLore]

ty!

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Time to Make contact with the Algorithm.

[@ParanormalTheology]

So when we kill Maria, is her soul gone/crossed over or will she just reform later as her soul is imprissoned in the Hunter's Nightmare? Like I know we end the Nightmare, but if we didn't, was she free of the Nightmare or just temporarily weakened/incapacitated?

[@rida81]

Do the magic words work in the comments? Reborn, Reborn, Reborn! Like beetlejuice right?

[@SinclairLore]

lmao!

[@LemurianTime]

What am I missing with the dreadful moral crises everyone has over the fishing Hamlet? Aren't these people all slaughterers beforehand already or was this like their first excursion? I never understood how they could mutilate en masse and then get THAT hung up over it..just makes you wonder what really went down there

[@trippyalan8165]

I think its because they were just hunters, killing small beasts cleanly and quickly. The fishing hamlet was a slaughter and defilement of the hamlet’s people and possibly kos herself. Killing a beast and defiling children, women and gods are very different. It’s not only Maria that’s really effected by this btw, she is shown more obviously but even Gehrman is deeply scarred by this, he even tells you to not think too much about all this and to just do your job, lest you turn out like him.

[@beansnrice321]

"That's not anything weird, that's just reddit." XD

[@bearVshark100]

Sorry Sophie, I'll watch the Elden Ring stuff once I beat the game, it's long. Incidentally, are you guys planning on doing a Russian F remake of the Reborn conversation?

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

She's been threatening me with Season 2 for three years now.

[@KevinOTHS]

Gotta be honest after all this time. I have zero sympathy for anyone in this game, Marie included. Their all a bunch of mad people, wicked wicked folk

[@DrownedLamp]

Gilbert's pretty chill pre moon. Also the Chapel Dweller, although he's being influenced by a great one.

[@LukulluTV]

No Ludwig. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. Great podcast tho!

[@SinclairLore]

lmao!

[@CI2oVv]

Hi! Great videos! THANK YOU SO MUCH Little question: Why Master Willem points us to kill Rom?

[@SinclairLore]

I think only master Willem knows the answer to that question XD maybe he's telling you to not touch Rom, maybe he's pointing at the moon trying to tell you about rituals, or maybe he's telling you to get off his lawn

[@CI2oVv]

@@SinclairLore so the Question that got me for weeks actually blocks even you LOL. Can you tell me where i can find some "bloodmoon vs aedon" theory? Thank you!!!!!

[@SinclairLore]

@@CI2oVv Yeah you gotta remember not every singe thing has a specific answer, or any answer at all :) sometimes it's what you take away from an interaction that's more important than the actual "answer".

[@Verum_XXII]

Nom nom nom. @sophie @sin have y'all played Yu-Gi-Oh yet?! 😁

[@SinclairLore]

not yet!