$170,000 Sailboat - Episode 207 - Lady K Sailing

[@m.appleton9956]

Awe, I grew up on a Bristol just like that one. 😊 Great cruiser!

[@kevio6868]

love this series! Very entertaining and informative at the same time. Thanks for sharing sir!

[@captainsview3303]

We've had a Bristol 43 for 11 years. This is the first center cockpit I have owned. A few things about them besides the kids and pets that need to be mentioned. The aft cabin with a center queen bed and head with a separate shower that I can stand in at 6'2" is awesome. The aft deck is also a big plus. We have friends with a Catalina 42 (one of your favorites and a great boat) and Hunter 40.5. We can carry a large ice chest and bikes while they a looking for places to put them. When grilling the chef is out of the way of the cockpit on our boat. I have sailed all kinds of boats. I can tell you through experience that a boat like a Bristol, Hinckley, Swan, Little harbor is much more comfortable offshore in a seaway than a lightweight boat such as a Beneteau, etc. Yes, they can all cross oceans, it's just a matter of how comfortable you want to be.

[@sailingyoumeandjosapea6770]

Love this reply you’ve made some great observations I especially like the point you make about having that shall we at extra deck at the back I especially like the Amels sentorini and Maramu as that have a rear bathing deck behind the cockpit. But can I ask do you think as a center cockpit owner that you loose the openness of a rear cockpit when you sitting in the sun ? It looks to me that possibly the Amels look so deep maybe it’s that difference ? I’d really appreciate your opinion Thanks 👍

[@captainsview3303]

@@sailingyoumeandjosapea6770 No, you have the same sun as a rear cockpit, you just aren't in the rear of the boat. Also, many CC's now have stern swim platforms. The nice thing with them is when you get out of the water you don't get the cockpit wet.

[@CPB111]

Great discussion. Love the boat shopping videos. As of April 11 2024, the Island Packet mentioned here remains for sale with a price drop to $149k

[@LadyKSailing]

Thanks for the info!

[@RModillo]

With a U-shape galley, you can clip a seat belt on either side of the stove (or against the side counter top). That allows you to lean back into the sling and keep both hands free. Gravity and leverage will keep you from bouncing around.

[@WillN2Go1]

Here's a possible video topic: If you spend X on a boat: What improvements, fixes, replacements will you need to do and spend to bring it up to 'standard?' And that 'standard' can be: weekend sail-er, a coastal (& Caribbean) cruiser, cross oceans. Even new boats need things. I'll bet there are some terrific $30k boats being offered for $50k that probably only need $5k work, while similar boats selling for $30k need $10 to 20k (I'm sure unless you just let the boat yard do it all you're going to save money with the cheaper boat. For the record I've got a $170k Hunter 45' with all the extras, watermaker, Hydrovane, etc...without hesitation, I passed on a $130k 45 footer. ) Is a B&R rig really that limited downwind? What I've noticed is that no one really likes to go straight down wind, Wing on wing seems to be a pain. Admittedly, I don't have that much experience, but I do have a B&R rig! and man that in mast furling sure makes life easy. And if the Selden and B&R don't sail as well as.... my 45' seems to make up for it. Ten days ago I annoyed my instructor, when we happened to be the only two boats off the coast at the same time. I didn't see much of his 38 footer and then not for long.) And yep the Selden really does make handling the main a lot easier. The real kicker is a power winch. I first thought, 'only one?' but I can run everything off of it and I do. Trying to unfurl/furl the main or even the jib by hand takes a long long time. So anyone who learns on a 22' then charters a 28 footer and thinks this is more work; then when they charter a 32 and it seems to be even more work? Just save up for a power winch. Key to livability is not just the saloon space and all those pretty couches, it's that there are at least two completely separate spaces onboard -- so you can get away from each other. (I was once sent on a long trip so my partner could see what it was like without me. Apparently it was good. But generally the problem may not be the other person (after all you did become a couple), it's the other person ALL the time. So bigger boats are not only faster they're more conducive to happiness at sea.)

[@EuroThrashDude]

I've never heard of B&R spars... Is B&R a brand of spars or is it a type of rig? Is it a Hunter only brand?

[@WillN2Go1]

@@EuroThrashDude I might not have this correct but a B&R rig [patented by Swedish aeronautical engineers Lars Bergström and Sven Ridder It employs swept spreaders that are usually angled aft] is common on catamarans. Fore stay - normal, no back stay, instead side stays are back a bit making it a 'tripod' of three 120 deg separation, instead of four stays (90 degrees). Used on cats it allows for a roached (wider squared top) main sail. And when I tried a wing on wing in a different boat it was way more trouble than it was worth. But I was a rookie. Instructors and other sources instead recommend a broad reach and occasional gybe. Looking for angled aft spreaders is a reliable way to find all the catamarans in a marina.

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Good point about separate spaces...

[@stevenmoore4078]

Love that Hinckley. Unusual color and a welcome departure from the typical flag blue of of other Hinckleys. My second choice would be the Swan

[@valerieb.4912]

I never knew Swans had a centerboard. All the boats you have mentioned (except Hunter) are my favorites. I learn so much about all the different sailboats on your channel. Thank you.

[@RModillo]

Most Swans didn't, but often in the late 70s and 80s there was a k/c alternative for those who weren't in deep water 24/7.

[@toddwever4916]

Did a trip from the Potomac to Charleston on that exact Hunter, got into some bad weather, no thanks! So rough it was not pleasant! Give that Swan all day long!

[@WindoverWater]

Did you know that the Hinchley 38 hulls were built in Canada? Hughes Boatworks built the S&S designed hulls for their 38 footer and sold bare hulls to Hinchley for their 38. We own a Bristol 41.1, the baby sister to the one you showed and can attest to the quality of the build. Very well thought out and executed perfectly by Bristol Yachts.

[@Methoes123]

Love the channel! Extremely knowledgeable and helpful. Keep up the good work. Marry Christmas to you and your family.

[@jonunya3128]

I love Swans.. love them..

[@Grand-paws]

Well, done my friend! I am at an interesting point in my life my bleach bottle hunter visions is just not as appealing as she used to be! I have fallen deeply in love with the old world look and feel of the Lord Nelson 41. I had always planned on my forever boat, coming from the BVI’s something new off of the charter line! This episode touched home. I appreciate your insight and wisdom you rock brother.

[@chaussmk]

Awesome T Shirt

[@stevelambert7496]

Great episode and the Hinkley was beautiful

[@jaywellington9904]

Hinckley

[@sylvaingagnon3211]

Really good episode, Tim. You really hit all the points and reasoning beautifully. Cheers!

[@RModillo]

The boarding amphibious craft S&S designed was labeled "DUKW". I forget what the code stood for, but it is behind the name "Duck boats" which give tours around Boston.

[@jamessorey6706]

What a wonderful selection on this episode. You sold me on the Swan…until I saw the Hinckley. Oh my goodness, what a beautiful boat. Thanks for the great content Tim, I look forward every week to your newest episode. I’ll be in the market soon for a new boat, I promise you’ll be the first person I call.

[@paulkopp3634]

Interesting and enlightening as always . Thank you .

[@kenrandolph6816]

I have met "Old Man Hinkley", as he called himself . He was quality, just like his boats.

[@johnnywisconny]

Good video LadyK

[@williamstreet4304]

I have wondered for a while why you limit boat lengths to about 45 feet. I have single-handed boats up to 50 feet. Then, we were coming in to anchor at night on and Oyster 485 with a reef 150 feet to port, 4 boats at anchor in our path with no lights, and the anchor pin was bent to the point that 2 people with crowbar and sledge were forward to free the ROCNA. For 5 minutes, I would have preferred a 22 foot boat with a small anchor in a hold that could be thrown over the side. I mostly like larger boats. And I love the Swans. But the Swan 57 even has me thinking that it provides crew quarters for a reason. I am boat shopping. And I know that I will likely be solo sailing a lot. Also, I question my ability to handle the larger sails without electric winches. Oh the difficulty of the many compromises when choosing a boat.

[@Crowscratch_HauntedLibrary]

Thanks Tim! As always, a great episode.

[@bobdailey9533]

I cannot afford any of them , but the Hinckley is Gorgeous!

[@pl7868]

Like looking at the Hinckley , wouldn't want to live on one , can see myself forgetting to put the lee cloths up in one of those upper berths an getting thrown across the cabin in a squall an laying there thinking geesh this is really going to hurt

[@cecilpacetti1491]

Hate to disagree with you but those WW II landing craft were designed by Andrew Higgins. That's why they were called Higgins boats. Ike, himself, credited him with winning the Battle at Normandy Beach.

[@jeffrobnc1971]

@cecilpacetti1491 You are correct in that the Higgins boats (which were water-only boats and *not* amphibious) were designed by Andrew Higgins. However, the DUKW (a six-wheel-drive amphibious modification of the 2+1⁄2-ton CCKW truck) pictured in this video was designed by Sparkman & Stephens. The Higgins boats, not DUKWs, were the boats shown in the opening scene of "Saving Private Ryan". I cannot recall any movie featuring DUKWs, but they were re-purposed for city tours in recent years. Search the web for "DC Ducks", which used DUKWs for DC tours up about 2019, when the DUKWs were retired due to lack of spare parts and safety concerns.

[@carlthor91]

When I was younger, I lusted after a Bermuda 40, nowadays it's between the Swan Ketch and the Nauticat 44 Ketch Rig. In my mind, it boiled down to space below deck. Best wishes from the North.

[@sailingyoumeandjosapea6770]

For this price I’ve been looking at Amel Sentorin around 1996 But you’ve shown me some other really nice center cockpit boats. Also the Amel doesn’t have a centreline bed you can get in both sides and they have really small heads ? And tiny galley . But they have that really cool helm position! I keep wondering when your going to get to the Amels ?

[@artsmith1611]

The price point videos are great!!

[@mountaindweller9118]

Thanks for the reviews and the great content! Hard not to love the classic lines of Hinckley's, Bristols, and my personal fav- Little Harbors.

[@peterbyrne652]

A BnR Rig on a Centre Cockpit boat seems like a stange thing to do. One of the things a Centre Cockpit doesn't have to compromise on is the location of a traveller in the ideal location, the end of the boom, behind and out of the cockpit. But, a Centre Cockpit in a boat that isn't intended to cross oceans is also strange to me too, especially if you're in hot climates 'island hopping' where you may want to spend most of your time in the cockpit; aft cockpit would provide a better experience. Makes sense if, as you pointed out, you want to maximize security, or really want to have a large aft cabin, and have A/C I guess. Swans are lovely boats, no question. Not sure what the crew compliment would need to be for that one!

[@Tb0n3]

Have you ever done a video about schooners? The twin mast boats always seemed more stately than a ketch or sloop.

[@davidsantor1760]

If I'm ever going to learn to sail ? I would like to try and do a figure 8 around the America's. Would 500 to 800 miles off shore be considered blue water sailing?

[@flaviocampos9698]

Excellent variety... have you come across any Hallberg Rassy by chance...? May be in the next chapter

[@jeffreybrijohnson]

I would just love that Hinckley or the Swan ,I’m on my second boat lookin for my third .....one day ❤

[@darrellstyner0001]

It's funny to hear how you talk about the Hinckley. I was once smitten by one for sale in my area but the ask was about 30K more than I wanted to pay. I considered making a lowball offer but didn't because I thought it would be rude and insulting to both the owner and the boat. She was too pretty to quibble over the price so I let her go.

[@gnsmk357]

Have retired twice. Have cash price in mind of 200K with another 100K allowence for up keep. Been looking for over 3yrs. Love your videos. Have not seen any Tayana 58??

[@reckemroysrc3764]

In your. 80 k to 120 k video my choice would have been the Duncan marine 46. She's a beauty and my kind of cruiser love your vids 😉✌️👍🏻

[@SteelDoesMyWill]

The Bermuda 40 is considered (by many, not all) the most beautiful production boat of all time. The grace of its sheer is unmistakeable and its performance in the cruiser/racer segment is undeniable. Unfortunately, for the crowd looking for livability on long passages, the B-40 just doesn't meet modern standards of interior layout and space utilization. The reason this boat doesn't sell for a heck of a lot more is because the primary demographic is the Yacht Club Captain that does not live aboard and wants a design with pedigree that can give a spirited performance in club racing or regattas while also being big enough to make the Newport to Bermuda trip.

[@tampopo]

Just got a Hinckley Owens 40 ‘46 Going to refit her and get her on the blue She’s so cherry BUT We’re going to punk rock up the Hinckley community a bit haha “Wait til they get a load of me”😂🎉

[@mriley4955]

I have the little sister to the Hunter 460. My 420 is the best and roomiest in the marina. And I don’t hesitate to take her offshore.

[@TAMBestBuild]

I have the smaller sister, a H41DS. I love her. Such a great boat all around.

[@DrTimWhatleyDDS]

God designed the female body, but man designed the Porsche 911 and Hinckley Bermuda 40. It’s the most beautiful boat ever made in my opinion. 😍

[@Raya14]

Has the IP had the chainplates updated ? Perhaps the owner is trying to ease the pain.

[@bugman-ir8cw]

Funny you mentioned "comfort zone"....I know sailboats and where they go are pretty and thats about it; but something this big (imo) would suck the fun right out of the experience and make you a slave to your boat or pay people to slave for your boat and spend all your free time being a host...

[@DrTimWhatleyDDS]

Why wouldn’t you want to cruise on a Hinckley? Not comfortable enough? Too fussy? Too much of an antique? Would be interested in your expanding on that. Great channel!

[@ekeau]

You didn't mention that Blossom is also a Bill Tripp design.

[@koborkutya7338]

That Hinckley gives me the impression she should be owned by someone who could afford a 300k boat but wants this classy style. Like a classic Mercedes from the '70-s - you must be wealthy enough to give her what she takes to really shine. And just like the old Mercedes, if the point is really to live on it and go to places, her disadvantages start to show more. She is a beautiful vacation boat, even if she was designed to sail you around the world. At least, that's how I would use her.

[@donavonlarney]

island packet 440 crooked bed model.. Shannon. .westerly.. pacific seacraft are my picks

[@markhoene9984]

The price point episodes are great but toss in the other type of videos. I like when you show how to fix something or do an upgrade. I have a tartan 34c. Go S and S.

[@kevio6868]

yes those are great. But these presentations on price ranged boats are awesome, like reaching for a star in the sky. I would hire him to be my sales manager

[@markberger5739]

170k & less is well within multi-hull territory - how about some comparisons please?

[@krisban26]

Mr. Lady K are you heading out this year? Caribbean?

[@pl7868]

Center boarders are nice to a point although for me the added maintenance and complexity isn't worth it , if you have ever lost a winch cable or for some reason you can't get that eight -ten foot board up it becomes an O Shit moment what do I do now , if you can't fix it on the water your shopping around for a place that can lift you out , an when your at the corner of O Shit an Butt F123k nowhere that could be a problem , give me an encapsulated lead keel all day .

[@langstonholland9272]

Coincidentally, there's another 1994 IP40 in Pensacola for $133,500. I looked at it and was impressed, but decided I wanted something more like a Hinckley or Shannon of similar size.

[@patrickhorgan8389]

Very sensible 👌

[@SplendidHorrors]

On 150k+ price range is it worth go with 10k steps? It's less that 10% which is possible to discusses as discount almost every case.

[@christopherstefaniak1790]

Love the series, thank you! How come you've never mentioned Sabre?

[@joeldelamirande5792]

Nice shirt

[@pietersoeters9983]

since you are a S&S fan what about the Stevens 47 for 149k?

[@johnfortten9547]

I've asked that he cover the Stevens 47 before, thought it'd be a no brainer considering he's a fan of S&S yet to no avail...yet, I still hold out hope.

[@tome584]

I myself would take the Hinckley. It might not be proper for me to pull my fatty knees behind

[@sailingyoumeandjosapea6770]

Who else went back to watch from the Hinckley again?

[@sailingabroad6528]

Where's your boat at

[@pauloneil60]

Sir. I ask a Question that I do not understand. What is the diference - Fast bouats and comfort/ Cursing - Your opinion, Sir!

[@pauloneil60]

Actually, Sir. I am not looking for a Yacht that is 2,3,4 Km, faster. than any other. What are your thoughts Sir. on 40 ft. on the 'Sirius 40' ? ( Just curious/Interested.

[@pauloneil60]

They are expensive !!! But they are not big- And they appear to be strong. Your opinion, Sir ?

[@gkrebs6636]

all prices are insane right now with everything

[@southernfriedkiwi6340]

@*Uncle Joe* Aussies can't even afford watermelons at the moment, never mind boats!

[@charlespayne1061]

I think that Island packet is a bit overpriced lol just go down to Florida and throw a rock you'll hit three island packets for half moneys.

[@keithcarpenter9938]

How about this. Go to SF bay. Buy sailboat for cheap and go to sea of Cortez. Get boat and bail is what I'm saying.

[@scotthite8528]

Fir $170-180 K? Sabre 402!

[@august3777]

Who would have thought a sailboat with the name of “Swan” would be described as having “muscle?” Not me.

[@rainfinger]

The thumbnail says "Hinckley" and not "Swan".

[@usefulcommunication4516]

There are boats that I should buy, and then there are boats that I want to buy. Unfortunately, those that I want would sink me. I lusted after a gorgeous Alden a while back. Luckily someone else bought it.

[@samuelthomas9758]

Love the series love that first boat but the hunter yuck!

[@jkutyna]

Ironic that you call the Hunter 45 underweight yet in a more recent video you are gushing like a schoolgirl about some catalina 44 and going on about how heavy and safe it is, even though it's nearly 8,000 pounds lighter at nearly the same size in terms of dimensions. Even the Hunter Passage 42 which clocks in at 26,000 pounds is rated by you and your sailing buddies as too light weight and all the other boats in that size range you rate as so good as they are nice and heavy even though they are in the 13,000-15,000 pound category. (solo sailor boats video)

[@tomislav4]

Get to the $170,000,000 sailboat already, this is getting stoopid

[@ericgaskell7880]

STOP waving your hands about please ?.

[@LadyKSailing]

No 👋

[@erichyney6287]

Hinkley boats, you talk about them. Why would you buy one like that ???? I wouldn't. I want a boat, that I can live in.... Looking forward to a boat at 180.000. Thanks for posting. See you next week.....