Metal buildings sweating, condensation and moisture problems.
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@Jonh7072 жыл бұрын
“Flash spray” a 1/2inch to 1/4inch with “Closed cell” spray foam insulation, then re-install your bat insulation. A flash spray is a way cheaper option and Will completely stop the metal from sweating and will give your entire building an airtight seal. I’ve sprayed thousands of metal buildings and this is definitely the cheapest and best option !
@davidarnold3442 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@sundaynobody2 жыл бұрын
what do you mean by "flash spray"?
@dollmm232 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@thetruthserum28162 жыл бұрын
@@sundaynobody He probably means spray on a 1" or thicker layer of 2 part closed cell foam. 1.75 or denser psf foam.
@illduitmyself Жыл бұрын
@@sundaynobody thats 1/4 thick....
@billpeirce73 жыл бұрын
I built my bardo last year and have ZERO water. We put the insulation barrier between the sheet metal and metal beams. In other words my sheet metal is screwed through rolls of insulation that has plastic on each side of the insulation; then screw to the steel beams. I have no sheet metal touching the framing, so no sweat transfer. Then, the living area is framed about 4” away from the siding because of the steel beams. This allowed us to have a natural air gap. We installed regular insulation between the 2x4 framing, so we have double insulation. One on the outside of the building and one on the inside. I wish I could attach a picture. It’s brilliant the way the contractor buttoned up my bardo.
@palipali42642 жыл бұрын
Are you concerned ants, bees, ladybugs, wasps or rodents could enter that open space and reap havoc?
@thomashocker27922 жыл бұрын
Nice job.
@daktusdurggery55055 ай бұрын
I need more info on this?! Please
@daktusdurggery55055 ай бұрын
@@palipali4264hmmm good point? Scary
@Behine.DeChilis3 ай бұрын
Would you mind sharing the name of your contractor? This is precisely what I want to do, but I'm having a hard to finding a contractor who will do this. Thanks.
@earlshine4533 жыл бұрын
Fresh concrete slab is also full of water
@sherrie92413 жыл бұрын
omg, I never even thought of that....but yes, the water from the cement would have to go someplace..
@Lotusutra13 жыл бұрын
Cement also acks like a sponge. It soaks up water and then releases it into the air. Water pressure in concrete is called hydrostatic pressure. They have little instruments that can measure the amount of water in the concrete to see the amount of moisture saturation. Moisture can pop coatings off the floor. I glued plastic wrap (so there's no holes) on a cement basement.
@zarazalazar3 жыл бұрын
Drywall too is mostly water; that's why it has a 1hr fire rating. Good point.
@FushigiMigi2 жыл бұрын
Can you seal it with a clear coat paint or urethane?
@ronald2953 жыл бұрын
And of course not to forget the moisture in your construction wood. Thank you for your very clear explanation of the moisture problem👍
@huntingthekaiser64903 жыл бұрын
Refreshing to watch a video on metal buildings that isn't a stealth advertisement for metal buildings. Thank you.
@brady12682 жыл бұрын
Well I think he is more or less explaining their mistakes. It’s kind of false advertisement.
@impalaon22inchrome3 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and love how real yall are. As a carpenter and owner of a small constructions company, also a building science nerd 🤓,an air gap is the absolute fool proof way to allow the building to dry out. Another suggestion would be to get more insulation on the exterior walls between living area and the siding(i.e., add additional strips to your studs,for thicker insulation, to slow the air changes even more. Look into rockwool insulation. Unlike fiberglass,which will absorb water and lose its "r" value, rockwool repels water and has more "r" value per inch. Depending on your climate, more insulation may be necessary than here in sunny fl. to stop condensation. If yall have any more questions or concerns, I'd be happy to help you all I can. A mentor/building scientist joseph lstiburek has a ton of information on this subject. Good luck, love the channel...ALSO, if the slab doesnt have a moisture barrier under it, you will want to apply a liquid barrier before you install flooring.
@LaidBackLiving3 жыл бұрын
Sounds good we really appreciate the input. Thanks for watching.
@demammoet3 жыл бұрын
@@LaidBackLiving there's some debate about rockwool vs air quality, you may want to look at wool insulation. Premium price, but you can mix and match some insulation materials. The paper based insulation is s also great (cellulose) but you need to familiarize with each insulation type. Wool is extremely specifically well adapted to the condensation issue. Rockwool comes in second but I would consider it more for vented attics and garages. That said, fiberglass insulation is bottom tier insulation and with a very low real scenario insulation value. Wool cellulose and mineral wool score highest, wool requires more support when applied as it slumps. Cellulose can slump and mash together under damp pressure but also seals a little under the right conditions, which can be a positive or negative depending on where it's at. There's the super expensive denim insulation, but it's packed tight, loses it's fluff, very moisture sensitive, so still excellent for interior privacy walls if you're framing in posts and drywall partitions. All together, my favorites are wool denim and cellulose, wool and cellulose are good for exterior walls, denim isn't, rockwool has some nasty stuff in it, and never forget. All tech is graveyard tech.
@NotOnYourLife3 жыл бұрын
You have no air gap between the metal siding and the heated building. You will be fighting moisture issues forever. The metal will condensate and with no airflow it will not dry properly. To prevent this, install 1x4's on the framed walls and then install the siding onto the 1x4's. the way you have it, the metal is directly on the Tyvek, no air gap between them with no place for moisture to go.
@billedgecombe90403 жыл бұрын
Jack is correct . not trying to cause any grief but (I am 40 years commercial construction as carpenter)in this video it looks like the walls are furred out with 2x4 on studs then tyvec ,then metal , as you say if tyvec had been installed on framing ,not on 2x4 furring, you would have your air space and a channel for moisture to travel, i think the proper way now to eliminate the problem will be to take out the insulation ,remove tyvec and reinstall with tyvec on interior side of 2x4 furring ,taping all seams and acoustic sealant to floor .Moisture is your enemy ,mold will make you very ill and destroy your home ,like i say just trying to help not crapping on anyone's parade , i love your channel and we all have lots to learn forever. not a massive job if you do it in smaller sections. this is just my opinion .
@jacksak3 жыл бұрын
@@billedgecombe9040 Great well-meaning, accurate comment by you...
@simpleagain13 жыл бұрын
Yikes 😬 😳 😱
@JS-xs5hq3 жыл бұрын
Brother, think about installing a heat shield between the woodstove and the wall behind it. Exposing the stud work to direct even just low heat temperatures will eventually lower the kindling temperature of the wood. It helps reduce the risk of structural fire down the road. Thanks for the advice about trapped moisture in steel buildings.
@FrugalBuilding3 жыл бұрын
Another way for moisture to get into the walls and condense is through any electrical outlets or light switch boxes. If you have any installed on the outside walls you can use Great Stuff foam around and behind the boxes to seal and prevent moisture from forming inside the walls..
@danchesney6313 жыл бұрын
The vapour barrier must always go on the inside warm side. This is true for wooden buildings as well. Poly plastic is a vapour barrier, it goes on the inside, & must be sealed with tape or acoustic sealant, to prevent moist air from penetrating the wall & reaching cold exterior. Tyvek is not a vapour barrier, it goes on the exterior cold side, where it can release any moisture that forms on the cold side of a wall. The problem with steel skinned buildings is that the steel skin acts like a vapour barrier, and so, the installation and sealing of a poly vapour barrier on the inside is critical. The ideal time to insulate and vapour barrier a steel building is in cool/cold weather, before the interior is heated. If you heat the building in cold weather, before you insulate & poly vapour barrier, you’ll be in the cycle you described.
@querubintreesvideoediting Жыл бұрын
Wow! Will follow that advise too!
@gwilliams1001 Жыл бұрын
The opposite is true in the south U.S. walls dry to the inside.
@danchesney631 Жыл бұрын
@@gwilliams1001 Vapour barrier goes on the warm side.
@bencross17443 жыл бұрын
Been watch from day one...the quality of your content, speaking and editing is great and getting better! Great job!!
@KoalityofLife3 жыл бұрын
My pole barn had the same problem with condensation and it raining inside. My entire pole barn is wrapped with a house wrap so I didn't understand where the moisture was coming from. I asked a contractor friend about it, he told me that I wrapped the building when the gravel floor was wet and the moisture was coming out of the ground. After the ground dries out the rain inside the shop should stop. Sure enough the moisture and rain inside my pole barn on the warmer days has stopped. I don't remember when you poured the concrete foundation but concrete has a lot of water in it that has to evaporate out so you might have been getting the last little bit of moisture out of your concrete floor. :)
@davidarnold3442 жыл бұрын
Adding an active radon fan to your slab will also save your life but help dry your slap and keep ground moisture from getting in
@1806StoneHouse3 жыл бұрын
Good discussion. It’s good to understand the building science and there are many ways to “fix” any issue. I would have probably used spray foam ( closed cell ) and that would have worked good. But, it’s also the most expensive option. When I foamed The stone house, I instantly saw a HUGE savings in heating costs.. and my 8k in spray foam is probably going to pay for itself after 5 years.
@Fbarts2 жыл бұрын
We built a 60' x 60' metal building, half is living quarters and half is garage and shop. We decided to put the spray foam in and delay some other aspects of the building until later due to money concerns. No doubt the ONLY way to go.
@futureadventure72992 жыл бұрын
Open cell or closed?
@squeekhobby45713 жыл бұрын
Running dehumidifiers for 2 years is the best thing in a new house. Fabulous presentation for the practical approach. I have seen sweating and moisture problems even when spray foam was applied. You did better than professional builders
@PootsPastures3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting the "Marshal Remodel" just posted a video with a huge moisture issue in their walls. Same type of metal building, I figured it was an issue with the metal siding and tyvek issue as well as what seams to be issues with their spray foam insulation. Glad you got it all figured out!
@AugustusLarch Жыл бұрын
I am on a crew at times that builds Metallic brand commercial buildings. There is no vapor barrier on the outside. Not on the roof or sidewalls. But vapor barrier the inside. Not a membrane but a barrier. 10 mil poly perforated with liner panel screws with no rubber washers. This way any vapor escapes from hot to cold though the interion screws through an R-48 equivalent fiberglass metal cavity insulation to the outside. During building I have witnessed pooled rain, snowpack and ice develop on the floor. After enclosure and heating, I have seen all of that dry out and escape overnight. It really works well. All that vapor escaped though small, hidden closure gaps and j trim gaps on the roof and walls. All specifically engineered to allow rapid evacuation of moisture. I would build anything like this now unless it has cornice and ridge roof venting. It is a good lesson in vapor control. Very economical without resorting to the expense and problems of spray foam. Never try too hard. Just understand the mechanics of vapor control and apply it to construction details. Always provide a plan for airflow to the outside. To make a structure vapor-tight but not airtight. Because airtight structures will rot and rust everything vulnerable on the inside unless active measures are emplaced. Why deal with that expense. When passive control is possible.
@lovethatbluegrassmusic98992 жыл бұрын
For years I have heard storys about the moisture issues related to quonset huts. My friend owns an old fashioned one that he uses as an out-building. He complains about the thing being oppressively hot in the summertime (in Michigan) and also he complains about his tools rusting inside it. Lets go a step further and incorporate the idea of living in a quonset hut. In a way you would be living in a metal tank. It is sealed up. Moisture is generated from many sources. It is expelled from you and your family and pets breathing and perspiring. There is showering moisture is in the air. There is moisture is generated from drying dishes in the dish rack. One byproduct of a flame is water so when you use your gas cooktop or oven, moisture is generated. Plus the moisture from boiling water is generated, or other cooking such as a casserole or beef roast cooking. you come in from the rain or snow your clothes need to dry. So that adds to the moisture in the inside air. And to top it off there is the condensation issue related to the metal. If the weather outside the metal goes below the dew point, water condenses on both the inside and outside surfaces of the metal. Concrete can sweat moisture too because its porous. So living in one would be a tough nut to crack. I saw many quonset huts in Iraq but they had air conditioners pulling moisture out of them as the hot air was cooled. But they never shut off. Those ones had blown insulation on the inside surfaces of the metal. The foam needs to be a specific type to meet code requirements in the USA. And it should be intumescent too. Plug this into google earth to view a semi quonset hut style roof where no people live: 43°42'16.98"N, 85°28'21.43"W If the wall shown were modified with a side wall made of wood and wrapped with Tyvek, I think the moisture would have a possibility of leaving the building. But there needs to be adequate square footage of flat surface to keep up with what your household generates. Think about this: On a rainy or humid day the inside of our stick-built house feels humid.
@MitzvosGolem12 жыл бұрын
it is a common issue on warehouses we build. Putting plastic under concrete slab helps stop wicking from wet soil into building also
@footplate03 жыл бұрын
So a cheep to use but don't know the cost to install is a heat recovery system. It draws fresh air which then passes through a heat exchanger and is exhausted into the house. The house air is drawn into the other side of the heat exchanger, gives up its heat to the incoming air and is then exhausted to the outside. I do know that this costs peanuts to run as it is basically just a fan that runs. No fancy electrics or other devices needed, just a simple fan. Because the house air is constantly being exhausted you don't get any build up of moisture. Its been proven over here in the European cold damp air. Have a search online and you will find many examples of this system. Just a thought
@johnobrien4033 жыл бұрын
That's the way to go, suck out the moisture you are making
@stefanw58943 жыл бұрын
You mention the cost of the spray foam as being too expensive, but what have you spent on batting, tyvek, plastic, dehumidifying, wood stove, aggravation, time, and the possibility that still exists for mold growth? I hope I'm wrong, but I think your moisture issues are still going to be a problem.
@gregsandifer23982 жыл бұрын
Exactly right. Spray it and done
@vikings8442 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@robingrant9482 жыл бұрын
To stop a metal building from collecting water is bubble rap insulation that's the insulation you use not wood home insulation
@juniper95493 жыл бұрын
One way to ensure that this moisture problem does not come back is with ceiling ventilation such as the oscillating ones that sit outside. They pull moisture as well. Great job guys looks like you tackled the problem!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@MrRerod3 жыл бұрын
I was taught you don't want two vapor barriers which will trap moisture. Its either on the outside or inside.
@stevevice98633 жыл бұрын
You will continue to encounter condensation in these types of buildings if they are not flash insulated with CLOSED CELL SPRAY FOAM on every piece of exposed metal in the wall system. Vapor barriers are not completly impervious because of all the holes you have to put in them to attach them to the structure.
@marye38623 жыл бұрын
Right... People think spray foam is to pricey but it's cheaper in the long run . Protect your self from mold your body will thank you ..
@cbriangilbert19782 жыл бұрын
CLOSED CELL being the key phrase for sure. I sprayed open before I learned that expensive lesson.
@Aaron-hype2 жыл бұрын
@@cbriangilbert1978 how do you replace a piece of metal like a rock thrown into it, when closed cell has bonded to it? (Other than a saw and a huge mess)
@cbriangilbert19782 жыл бұрын
@@Aaron-hype I used all kind of different stuff but I made a huge mess. I don't know of a "proper" way or "easy" way to do it.
@randyfredricksen59633 жыл бұрын
You definitely went to school on this subject..you are now the condensation king!
@bishopspyroworld89213 жыл бұрын
Great work!!! I agree that spray foam is expensive but man its nice. I had my building done and it stays about 50 without being heated. Glad you guys can now move on from the moisture issue.
@MrKenhaigh3 жыл бұрын
At last something a little more positive, youve earned it!
@bndwoodlands7753 жыл бұрын
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@renewableenergy-ceramiccoa74645 ай бұрын
I watched your blog here and I deal with this issue of condensation a lot. The coating I apply is a “thermal break” when you apply this on steel it does not allow cold/warm to meet therefore it’s cannot form moisture which therefore cannot corrode. In colder climates it also will prevent ice damns because snow won’t stick to the outer roof..no energy getting through for it to melt. I have applied to many different metal buildings over the last 20 years with zero failure. We are not an insulation like polyurethane-we are just a “thermal break” we are currently testing with an Engineering firm to show how effective we are in many applications…this been one of them, although we already know how it works-industries want data…Hope everything you have done has worked.
@jamesdiyhomestead82633 жыл бұрын
You only need one inch of spray foam insulation to stop the condensation. You can use the fiberglass for the rest of the wall cavity.
@thomashocker27922 жыл бұрын
Exactly, that's what I did, no problems.
@jamieklok39022 жыл бұрын
You still need a air space the condensation still happens and it’s worse trapped in the foam .
@jamesdiyhomestead82632 жыл бұрын
@@jamieklok3902 That is only true if you have a way for the air to escape to the outside. ie, vented airway. Moisture can not get trapped in closed cell foam. You do NOT want an air space that is not vented. That is why they put the insulation directly on the walls. If the roof isn't vented then you still put the insulation directly on the metal and use either an hvac system or dehumidifier to control the moisture.
@largefamilyruralliving7434 Жыл бұрын
We don't have a barn insulated living space, but our animal barn was in a low area so we had to put in ventilation fans on timers to keep the barn from raining inside it.
@duotronic64517 ай бұрын
"DuPont™ Tyvek® weather barriers have a unique structure, with millions of extremely fine pores that resist bulk water and air penetration, but allow water vapor to pass through and escape the building."
@aVTprepper3 жыл бұрын
We finished off a small metal shed, however the wood lumber used in building the shed was pressure treated. We insulated like you did and put up a thin paneling, but there was an odor we couldn't get rid of. After about 9 months we ended up tearing down the paneling and realized the odor was from the treated lumber (this was a pre-built shed). We noticed there was growth of either mold or mildew starting on the paneling. Just an FYI for anyone out there who may want to do what we wanted to do with the shed. I agree the spray foam insulation is the best alternative if you can afford it.
@fredj62783 жыл бұрын
Exhaust fans in the house. Just like a bathroom, it will help. Insulate the pipe that is removing the moisture.
@davidz16813 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't use spray foam, I'd use fiberglass just like he did. It would be wise to put a small and I mean small airgap between the metal and moisture barrier. Something like a shim size. They sell a very large open cell brillo pad looking strip you can put at the very bottom to keep insects from getting in.
@paulhoskins78523 жыл бұрын
Simple note: condense is a verb - moisture condenses. Condensate is a noun.
@SuperSpecies2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@VintageVaughnVehiclces Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm glad I watched this I need a metal building for my car collection. I'm in Alabama and the moisture is destroying all my cars everything I repair is related to moisture damage and I'm fed up I'm thinking of moving to Arizona but it's not a really good place to live and it cost too much. Also the next place I'm planned to live is going to be on a mountain side somewhere where that evening do that settles and it makes the hood of your car wet at 4:30 in the afternoon that seems to be not as prevalent at a slightly higher elevation. I call the place I live right now moisture pit every afternoon at 4:30 the hoods of the cars are wet. Other places in the same area as long as you go up a hill side it's dry. So I think location has a lot to do with it. There's a reason some pieces of land are cheap and I think that's one of them. It might be fine for growing plants and stuff and if you have any kind of Machinery the moisture is going to attack and destroy. I think even electric vehicles enough moisture gets on that electric motor and then it seizes up and the thing will have plenty of voltage and refuse to go cuz the motor will be locked up from moisture it just hadn't started to happen yet but it's going to and somebody's going to have a burning EV because the electric motor got exposed to heavy moisture.
@clinttorris40853 ай бұрын
In the south, with the heat and humidity, you wrap the outside of the house and never put any house wrap or plastic on the inside. I live in Dothan and just built a house. I have a couple metal barns and garage/shop. And have had hardly any problems with condensation. First make sure your building is ventilated properly, especially the roof. If you're insulating the shop and drywalling it, working from outside to inside you should have your siding, then 1x4 furring, then Wrap, then your insulation, then drywall. If you put plastic or wrap inside like this video you're gonna have failures in the south. Check with a local contractor to be certain about your area. Good Luck
@interspeciesfamily80433 жыл бұрын
WoW! 30 gallons of water. Is there NO WAY it can be made USABLE? Gosh! Wouldn't that be grand.
@Tony-wy5ms3 жыл бұрын
First of all, building science is building science Instead of an air barrier you should have used an air vapour barrier like 3m 3015 .. this would allow the travelling of air to exhaust out and vapour and moisture to be blocked from coming in Next is continuous insulation on the outside of your framing in the form of a rigid insulation or a Rockwool.. then you should have had a drainage plane with air space the same way you do with brick on a wall .. 3/4” Furred out wall would have solved all your issues as well. The exterior finish is not to blame for your problem execution of the proper building science on the given application is. Follow this steps on your next build and you will have zero problems .. hot or cold weather also 30% more efficient than your current set up
@jacksak3 жыл бұрын
WOW, excellent discussion !! And, what a huge amount of work.
@thomashocker27922 жыл бұрын
I built a metal framed cabin with metal siding. 6 inch walls ,regular insulation. No problems. Yes I used tyvek. Cold climate.
@markielinhart3 жыл бұрын
This is nonsense! I have lived in, indeed I am living in a metal clad building. As a now retired builder I have been involved in the construction of many more. I live in a state (Victoria, Australia) that has weather and temperature extremes - from zero to 40*c plus and on some days high humidity. It’s so simple: from outside to in, metal cladding, a moisture barrier wrap, insulated in the wall frame, drywall or ply lining. That’s it. It’s extremely important that the building is AIR TIGHT. Double glazing and cross ventilation as well. Also, insulate the roof and underfloor. I have a split system for cooling and heating plus I run a wood stove on chilly evenings. Never any moisture on inside glass ever or anywhere else either. My advice: start again… ✌️🇦🇺
@zarazalazar3 жыл бұрын
Be leary of this advice and heed the video. As an architect we know modern buildings breathe--they don't block moisture instead tyvek/moisture barriers break down water into their smallest constituents so that moisture DOES actually enter your wall assembly but DOES NOT form into dew drops but simply passes through; because water will destroy even metal over time. But, more important!, if your body sweat and everyday moisture can't escape--you can make a perfect breeding ground for mold, spores, and bacteria--which will become airborne. Don't take my word for it, lookup the sad history of Legionnaires Disease and Pontiac Fever Pneumonia from poor building ventilation. I recommend roof ridge vents, dehumidifiers, and always having a quality air monitor on at all times if you're going to build and live in metal buildings or barndominiums. You'll need an extra smart-home (monitors, data producing technology) to stay on top of your health. Good luck everyone.
@markielinhart3 жыл бұрын
@@zarazalazar not entirely correct. I don’t where in the world you practice as an architect. What I described was normal building practice in temperate areas of Australia with variations due to climate extremes in the hotter parts of the continent. Any self respecting architect will tell you that an efficient building in cooler climates is an airtight building properly ventilated and to eliminate condensation. Sealing the interior of a building with polythene as shown in the video is guaranteed to introduce buckets of moisture. As I said before my comments regarding metal cladding were based on actualities not theory…
@johnevans60532 жыл бұрын
The entire problem is that there is a temperature difference on the two sides of the metal. The warm side of the metal will always sweat. Like a glass of ice water on a hot day. Spray foam insulation on the inside is your best option. Bat insulation with a vapor barrier will not work.
@als85183 жыл бұрын
the slab drying over time is also a moisture source still at this point.
@dcpete30543 жыл бұрын
6mil Poly vap barrier and a proper install with acoustic sealant and tuck tape would have solved the issue, I hate to say it but if you due things half way your going to have issues. The thin plastic is a waste of time and money. some things you have to do 100% others you can skip on.
@ThisOffGridLife3 жыл бұрын
It's terrible in our skoolie...every now and then we have a stream of water fall from the roof. Can't wait to build our house!
@KuzweKanfarms3 жыл бұрын
This happens in my 5th wheel.. no fun
@javierzamora2329 Жыл бұрын
The minute the video opened and I saw the type of insulation I already knew what the conversation was about
@shirleya-z7942 жыл бұрын
I have heard so many stories about issues with condensation inside sprayfoam and you can't do anything about it so I'm not sure that spray foam would have prevented your issues...
@TheBevis5933 жыл бұрын
Wahoooo!!! 7K!! We love you Mike and Liz!! 👏👏😊😊
@joschmoyo45322 жыл бұрын
The moment you try to stop a building breathing using an impermeable membrane you will always have problems no matter what you do. The only place you can get away with metal is on the roof as long as the Ridge cap allows at least some air to escape and take the moisture with it. Acrylic paint is a moisture barrier most people don't think about. Major cause of mildew, damp rot. Never use a plastic vapour barrier anywhere no matter what the building codes tell you. They are the kiss of death to any timber framing, even if you use weather board. Glass fibre causes condensation ! It's glass, just like that window glass you get condensation on. When it gets cold it sweats. when it gets wet, no insulation value anymore. Glass insulation is only going to work in ceiling cavities where the heat in the roof keeps it dry. Trap it in a wall and it fails.
@jimihendrix853510 ай бұрын
There are millions of houses with fiberglass insulation in the walls. In fact, most houses have it. The way to properly insulate a wall is to stop the heated and cooled air from inside the house from entering into the cavity of the walls (and the best method is sheet rock and paint) and then allow the wall to breath to the outside by not putting any kind of barrier on the outside of the wall (a breathable vapor barrier is ok). It may also be a good idea to put vertical firring strips between the sheathing of the outside wall and any siding to allow an air gap to help the wall dry out if any moisture occurs on the outside of the wall under the siding.
@KUBBI74883 жыл бұрын
Always install vents in the attic on each side and you ll resolve this problem!!!
@LaidBackLiving3 жыл бұрын
Venting helps
@mgabrysSF3 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine in the high desert this wouldn't be a problem. Which is why I'm considering a low-cost / low-profile barndominum home to serve as a shelter for an RV base with adjacent loft accommodation and studio space for mobile living.
@virginiajorda42263 жыл бұрын
My barn sweats something fierce. In AZ!!
@mgabrysSF3 жыл бұрын
@@virginiajorda4226 High desert or valley? It 'is' muggier this season due to having more water than the previous 2 monsoons combined this year. Seemed drier around Verde Valley or Winslow. (There's also 'garage homes' that I'm looking into - the terms seem a bit interchangeable). Water mitigation doesn't seem as bad as getting approvals for septic tanks at the moment. In fact, condensation can be routed to a cistern system ideally.
@virginiajorda42263 жыл бұрын
High desert. The first time it happened, I thought I had a leak!
@robertlaird67462 жыл бұрын
I'm about ready to start building my post frame home with dry set brackets on top of ICF. Then I'm going to install SIP's on the outside walls and roof. Everything will be wood except for the trusses. I will probably make them out of metal because I want a vaulted ceiling. The wood floor inside the home will be just above grade but will have a 4' crawl space underneath the floor trusses. This makes the plumbing and electrical easy to run and fix if there is ever an issue. It's also easier on the feet. I'm also going to run both a wood burning stove but will also be running hydronic radiant floor heat. I'm thinking my place will be 40 x 64 with a 16' covered patio in sections. I'm also thinking of building two dormers that are proud of the side of the building and probably extend past the covered patio on one side of the structure. I haven't moved on it yet due to lumber prices and all the rest of the building materials that are inflated right now. Plus this global financial system called the central banks that are controlled by the cartel. That crap needs to be corrected first. I'll be building it all my myself and only using my own hands except for concrete days. I'm not sure where to get the laminated 2x6 post or the best price on metal roofing. I'm located in North Western Washington State if someone can help me locate a good suppler.
@davidarnold3442 жыл бұрын
The only solution to future condensation is exterior insulation Outward of your metal exterior.... or an air gap (called a rainsceen ) between your metal and your wrap and insulation. I also recommend you get an ERV . Drafting appliances and hood vents and fans SUCK on a house, moisture will be in the outside air that is replacing the exhausted air, this will come in through gaps and cracks... air infiltration is the other way moisture gets in the walls when it's not moisture drive from humid air going to the drying surface(cold metal , below the dew point temperature) A whole house dehumidifier that is plumbed to a drain and constant air movement will always help. The warmer your inside air is the more moisture it can hold (saturation) letting the inside cool down forces the moisture to drop out of the air. It's dropping out of the air when it his the cold metal. Spray foam will fix this.. If done right. Careful with the spray foam if the chemistry is off the VOCs will be so bad your home will be unliviable, wich the HRV/ERV can help mitigate.
@mt93722 жыл бұрын
I really want to use closed cell foam for my future shop, but I've read comments where people say that when (not if) you get a leak in your metal building, you'll never find the leak, because the foam is obscuring it. I suppose as long as you keep up with the maintenance of your roof in particular (checking for missing/broken screws and rubber gaskets) that it should be a non-issue.
@DaylnD2 жыл бұрын
Closed cell foam is a form of a water barrier so you don’t need to wrap if you are using the closed cell and vice versa. One has to be applied to block water from entering, the only problems you may have with closed cell is if you cut sheets of styrofoam and then try to use the closed cell in the cracks, that is looking for trouble. If you use closed cell foam, don’t mix it with another method. It’s very expensive but worth it and has great R- Value
@JoseFlores-mw7it6 ай бұрын
Stucco or pus cement on it with a roller used for painting But fris put the black plastic On one side it has glue and on the other side it has black plastic, then you put the stucco or cement on the outside.
@akyhne3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should have chosen Rockwool instead. Glasswool loves water and is hard to dry. I wouldn't want foam insulation in my house. It's very toxic in a fire, and you can forget all about making it out of the building, before you pass out from the fumes. Luckily it's not legal to use in my country.
@Franklin-pc3xd2 ай бұрын
Mistake #1 - going cheapskate on the insulation - you should have just gone with the blow-on. More expensive but moisture free.
@LivingTheDreamHomestead.3 жыл бұрын
Oh man that sucks. Hopefully all that work will pay off and it stays dry. I love that wood stove! That’s a beast!!!❤️ We’re going through draft issues. Gotta love winter time and finding out what worked and what needs work ;) Love your progress guys, keep it up!
@LaidBackLiving3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! And thank you for watching.
@marymiller98702 жыл бұрын
My building was first insulated with sheet type insulation, low value, then inside about 1 ft in where the runs and poles were I had highest r value installed. Then framework was inside runs and sheetrock attached to that. So of course there was an air pocket in between. No moisture since 2013. Thankful for warm/cool home with high end upgrades for about $50K. 22x33. Still thankful✌❤
@douglassmith20553 жыл бұрын
Seems like moisture barrier goes on living space side only, let metal and walls breathe, cold air only condenses at dew point
@palipali42643 жыл бұрын
Metal does not breathe.
@thouartit Жыл бұрын
In a quonset hut or a dome (like I lived in for 8 years), there must be allowance in one or more high spots, to vent the inside air/moisture - out. Ideally one would have a fan vent set up, with a switch down below. The vented air, will drive out moist air really well, especially if you have a wood stove. Using a propane stove in such a space is assee-versee. Now if you live in a giant space, (I lived in 17 foot dome) one must think about insulation and or vapor barrier. I know nothing about this. The dome had a simple velcro patch at the peak. When it got moist inside, I raised the corners, and with the wood stove going, moisture remained perfect. All yurts have the center ring, that contains a small windows that you can open- for example after one showers or cooks.
@querubintreesvideoediting Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this huge information! I have been searching for alternatives to hollow blocks in a project in Manila. Will keep in mind.
@dper11123 жыл бұрын
Did you insulate your slab? Also, does it have a sheet of poly in it? If not, keep that dehumidifier running forever, and also keep a very close eye on the base plates of your 1F walls. :-)
@myfriendpete3 жыл бұрын
NO BIZ-QUEEN on the slap means water on the floor! Especially in the Humidity belt.
@jordansage3 жыл бұрын
Very useful food for thought on this. A great video for education and consideration on a project pending.
@f1s2hg32 жыл бұрын
Your having an epiphany. After you see hind sight and 20/18 is perfect 👍 the problems are solved. I worked in a 75 year old steel/iron mill and our equipment was built 30 years before we started running production quotes for the hour. Our company slapped new computer controls on all of the huge boilers without replacing the 48” blast gas valves. This caused our delays and loss of profits on the spot steel markets. We had to learn how to trick the software into letting the huge burners to run pilots to fire these giant monsters up online making 500k pounds of super heated steam per hour and it took forever to warm up them big boilers but once on line our problems began keeping up production and the lives of our Union brothers were dependent on our ability to run 500k pounds of steam per hour 24/7 each and every second of the day all boiler except for (2) of them were on computer controls that never worked properly after first installed by the engineers and they fired them all.
@LaidBackLiving2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks for sharing!
@f1s2hg32 жыл бұрын
@@LaidBackLiving I got over thirty years of experience in the problem solving Dept and our nation is in a money crunch. I budgeted my money and I’m invested and the assets are tax deferred and sheltered in my 401k until I reach 72 years old. My problem is setting up a trust through a Roth IRA that will continue to hold my assets for compounding the interest roll overs back into the principal. If I can get my heir to understand never touch the principle and the interests of the dividends will keep it growing and the check will never stop. Pray for your family and heirs and be one with Christ Jesus of Nazareth in prayers and blessings will follow your lives and you will grow in faith. 🙏
@f1s2hg32 жыл бұрын
@@LaidBackLiving it’s easy to tell the truth because it never changes. My shared story comes from a photographic memory that started at 16 months old lol I can close my eyes and think of the flash of lightning that lit up the sky one afternoon and right before the thunder cracked louder than anything I ever heard before my mother came out the back door and rushed my older brother and I into the house. I was glued to moms knee and she had to grab me and run to drag my brother into the house. I just close my eyes and remember it all like it just happened lol 😂
@7Trident32 жыл бұрын
Good info to know. Just living creates a lot of moisture. Looks good for wall finish, now. The tighter the building, the more critical a ventilation system. butyI calking would go along way to sealing the vapour barrier. was thinking horizontal steel, on wood studs, with foam standoff. Closed cell foam spray the existing foam standoff strip top to bottom. Fiberglass pink to follow. I wonder if the expanding foam would bow the steel? Glue the building together with the stuff. Nice vid, very close to what I have in mind.🇨🇦
@alejandrolimache9518 Жыл бұрын
Spray foma insulation is expensive but in the long run you end up expending more time and money with the other alternatives
@jeffproulx33883 жыл бұрын
If you have 1 pin hole and a mean 1 pin hole anywhere in that plastic water will be in your walls. Cut and see. I promise you will have some in the years to come. You should not have put plastic for sure. Also get rid of that cheap pink stuff. Not trying to piss you off. Just trying to help. i was there and did the same and payed the price. I got rid of the plastic and put super good insulation and now have no problems 5 years later. No plastic lets it dry from the inside and good insulation stops the sweating. That pink stuff is made out of glass and you know what happens when you take a glass of water out side. The glass sweats. Try the same thing with a foam cup. No sweating.
@ducati748sification2 жыл бұрын
I just constructed a 40x64 shop. Stick built with metal siding both inside and out. So the layers starting from the outside are: Metal, Tyvek, 2 inch spray foam, batting, Poly, metal. I just pulled a piece to do some plumbing and the spray foam is dripping like a river behind it . Not sure why but hopefully it doesn’t cause mold onto the batting over time
@thomashocker27922 жыл бұрын
Ouch, building needs ventilation. If it molds, that can be treated.
@wisesaint22 жыл бұрын
One inch of spray foam is the only way with fiberglass over that works fine.
@odin82143 жыл бұрын
Some bakeries prefer using propan due to the moisture it contain.
@court23793 жыл бұрын
Burning most fuel produces water, carbon/hydrogen chains -> H20 and CO2. Some CO if it doesn't completely burn. So oil, propane, NG, gasoline, kerosene, etc will all dump huge amounts of water into the space if not vented. I recently added a heater to my shed and it looked like the easiest method would be to use those ventless propane heaters, but after I realized how much water they add, I got a diesel heater that is vented. They only place those ventless are appropriate is with another heater that is vented to make up for the moisture it pulls from the space.
@caryevans85983 жыл бұрын
I love your channel 🙂 and y'all built a awesome building
@royamberg91773 жыл бұрын
The insulation needs to vent to remove moisture. I went through this moisture in a few months it will dry out
@tankeater2 жыл бұрын
Double bubble insolation
@richardheaton31602 жыл бұрын
Siding up the wrong way, No poly under the slab, Improper vapor barrier..... omg some people shouldn't build houses. Maybe a tin shed shouldn't be a house, and..... this is why building codes are a great idea. It's just physics.
@terrylutke3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't sheet the interior walls until your moisture/vapor 'fix' is a 100% certain. I have doubts that the interior visqueen sheet will do the job entirely. Also during the cooling season moisture drive works in reverse of the heating season. In that scenario moisture could condensate on the insulation side of the visqueen. There are a couple sure cures, but nothing you'll like hearing at this point.
@johnnyboy15432 жыл бұрын
What in your opinion is a sure cure?
@terrylutke2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyboy1543 Closed cell PU applied directly to the the interior surface of the metal skin, with no gaps. PU thickness application needs to have enough 'R' value to push the dew point away from the interior metal surfaces. Interior wall/clg finishes need to be permeable enough to prevent trapped moisture vapor.
@diverse_insightt.o64993 жыл бұрын
Spray foam would have solved your problem I’ve been doing metal siding / roofs on commercial and residential properties for 5 years we use densglass then Tyvek on the outside and spray foam on the inside
@LaidBackLiving3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@vistamombachoapartments11782 жыл бұрын
Great information on a project I am working on that is much like this. Thanks!
@redemptiverevelationАй бұрын
Doesn’t wrapping the building in OSB and tyvek before you put on metal siding fix this?
@TheNorsewoman3 жыл бұрын
Very good info, thanks guys
@xod78612 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about the type of home / work shop. I think it's a great idea
@barrygrant29073 жыл бұрын
In order for that wood stove to work, it has to draw outside air into the house. Otherwise you'd have a vacuum inside and the smoke would not exhaust--no draft. Same with bathroom fans. Every square foot of air vented to outside will be replaced with outside air coming back in somewhere.
@patriotdarktolight17803 жыл бұрын
never install metal on isolation !! You learn the hard way. SPRAY FOAM
@bigbuck4438 Жыл бұрын
Nice old Chevy pickup in the background 👍
@MW_Builds3 жыл бұрын
Great job! You did awesome working through that and figuring it out. peace Question: There is protection between the wood stove and the plastic wall, right?
@LaidBackLiving3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes
@simpleagain13 жыл бұрын
EL WRONGO DUDE-O.....spray foam insulation traps water against whatever surface it’s near. I’ve torn apart (2) spray-foam insulation jobs and had to completely replace the entire floor systems in each. Metal always condensates
@vjmacintyre6 ай бұрын
im looking at a garage and Im considering metal, but less so now. the only thing that's attractive is that you can build big metal buildings without engineers, unlike wooden garages
@MrSteeDooАй бұрын
You don't need an engineer for a simple truss roof garage. The truss company already has done the engineering.
@vjmacintyreАй бұрын
@@MrSteeDoo here in Nova Scotia, specifically my municipality, you can't build bigger than 24*24 without an engineered concrete base
@MrSteeDooАй бұрын
@@vjmacintyre Ok so build it 23.9' x 23.9'
@vjmacintyreАй бұрын
@@MrSteeDoo i just meant that i don't think that's required here with metal buildings.. you can drop a 40*60 on a slab with no issues.. Maybe I'm wrong
@thomashocker27922 жыл бұрын
Your problem originated in lack of roof vents.
@nuduo92553 жыл бұрын
You don’t keep people “updated,” you keep’ em “up-to-date.” A bon entendeur salut.
@eat_a_dick_trudeau2 жыл бұрын
I am looking at possibly building one of these to live in. I am hoping what I will hear won't crush my dreams... *cautiously presses play*
@Charliano7002 жыл бұрын
Dyna glo kerosene heater is great heat and does not cause humidity or overly dry conditions. Extremely cheap to run. Good luck.
@chvytom2 жыл бұрын
Use vinal back insulation goes on outside of framing behind sheet no problems ever with condensation
@l0I0I0I02 жыл бұрын
Spray insulation keep water out? High density yes .5%. low density no, water permiable 5-10 I guess. Thanks for the video btw.
@palipali42643 жыл бұрын
What about using aircrete to insulate. No moisture transfer at all.
@dollmm232 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very helpful information. 🙂
@davidpetersen13 жыл бұрын
I would also suggest metal studs instead of wood.
@florecilla3946 Жыл бұрын
There is nightmares with spray insulation is toxic some people had to leave their house and live in their trailer because the toxicity think twice and research
@darrylchase3688 Жыл бұрын
So a wood stove and stack inches from a flammable material (i.e., plastic sheeting and studs)??? Definitely a dangerous code violation.
@HomeBitsandPieces3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Marshall Remodel vlog. He used spray form in his metal building, finished drywalling and now water is leaking in.