Lamar Jackson is clearly the MVP, Pats won't go on a Super Bowl run | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST

[@FirstThingsFirst]

Who will win the MVP: Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson?

[@skywalker39100]

Lamar Action Jackson!

[@TYREEKPOOLE-ju5mx]

Doug and the other pudgy looking white dude will never give Lamar Jackson the credit he deserves because they were wrong for one so their pride won't allow them to be humble and they don't like a black man at quarterback that looks like Lamar Jackson or act like Lamar Jackson he doesn't seem intelligent enough to them. That idiot really compared Lamar Jackson to Tim Tebow if that is not an insult I don't know what is but to him it's a compliment I'm pretty sure he thinks Tim Tebow is better than Lamar Jackson. Even the other pudgy Eggheaded looking white dude knew that statement was idiotic and that is bad because his opinion is always horrible.

[@jt2gtr]

Lamar.

[@bummer1912]

Lamar Jackson but Wilson has more value to his team

[@shinoobigod3363]

Last i checked ravens were about to miss the playoffs last year until they started Lamar Jackson

[@award9014]

This is the same guy who said, Lamar Jackson, should not play QB, in the NFL. Mr. Doug Gottlieb, should find himself another job. What a lousy analyst.

[@DartmouthOutingClub]

Agreed. He's a basketball analyst who apparently doesn't know jack diddly about football. Why they let him speak on issues he's entirely unqualified to discuss is beyond me..

[@shinoobigod3363]

Last i checked ravens were about to miss the playoffs last year until they started Lamar Jackson.

[@ceotrav9014]

Shinoobi God thankyou he’s a hater sad

[@dimitrythomas4158]

@@ceotrav9014 I mean they were 4-2 and lost 3 straight to 3 good teams. Lost close games to Saints, Panthers, and Steelers. And that was with Flacco who has been terrible for years. So they were not a bad team by any stretch. Lamar came in and gave them a spark. They also had the 2nd rated D in the NFL last year. Lamar is great and should be MVP but acting like he is the whole team is ridiculous

[@jiggybah1304]

Dimitry Thomas dude without Lamar they’re average

[@dimitrythomas4158]

@@jiggybah1304 It depends on who you replace Lamar with. With Watson, Brees, they are probably around the same record or close. With Russell Wilson or Mahomes they might be better.

[@raycolon4979]

Thank you 🙏🏼

[@shottythotty5719]

Doug is trying so hard to justify his draft analysis of lamar. Every week it’s downplaying what he does. Clown just needs to respect greatness when you see it

[@Dee-jd6ym]

Uuuhhh up um uh Kap ummmm uh uh Tebow time uhhhh ummm better team

[@AJCsr]

Truth ! 😎

[@samanthapoole2120]

Right. Doug is babeling about the LeBron James and Steph Curry...... something about if you take players off teams and the Ravens are a good team....blah, blah, blah. Fact is if you look at the Ravens teams over the last 3 years....before Jackson arrived.17-18 (9-7 no playoffs) 16-17 (8-8 no playoffs) 15-16 (5-11 u guessed it....no playoffs) "Don't let facts stop you from babeling about absolutely nothing.......clown shoes.

[@JoshuaIS1]

Well Doug's "analysis" was correct in the end. This game proved his point but nobody will acknowledge that. It will be crickets out here. One trick pony

[@user-zl4ch7ux2n]

@@JoshuaIS1 Not really because it's not the end and it's his only his second year. He still has a lot of room to improve. Peyton manning lost his first three playoff appearances including a 41-0 loss to the jets.

[@corumhayes5364]

I didn't realize you had to take into account next year's performance to determine the MVP for this year. What a joke!

[@wildlive1296]

Ah yes. The sneaky next year's projection buried in the fine print of the MVP voting rules. How could we not know?

[@TreAnthonyX]

E X A C T L Y ! ! !

[@billknight8024]

Gottlieb is a freaking clown.

[@xaviersmith6199]

Doug’s take is ridiculous

[@jerumiles]

“In the real games” lol That’s the most Gottlieb thing Gottlieb has said

[@MrDrMeow]

J-R-ME-ATX C he’s right though. Looking at stats and assuming they all hold the same value is completely ignorant.

[@jerumiles]

jerald meow And trying to parse past the numbers into the subjective is only important for people who need something to do or someone to tear down.

[@charlesfletcher1105]

So russ aint play any bottom feeders

[@wick764]

J-R-ME-ATX C I mean you’re not wrong but really the way I think about it is the stats tell one part but the eye test and situations matter just as much. To the point where you can have less stats but still be considered a better player

[@Kefka2010]

@@jerumiles Nick already explained his bs "real games" argument.

[@Panamaschild]

So if you take Lamar off the Ravens, and put Joe Flacco in, they'd be having the same type of season? Stop it, Doug! Part of why the Ravens are playing so hard is because of the love and respect they have for Lamar.

[@weltonspratley4367]

Wisest Owl Yep, I was just about to make that same comment so thanks

[@jermainemcqueen8997]

No not flacco.. but that offense is suited for jackson AND RG3

[@brentmoretz4366]

Joe Flacco is Garbage

[@raya7052]

Jermaine Mcqueen Lamar Jackson took over Flacco’s offense last season and went 6-1 and into the playoffs. This team is pedestrian without Lamar

[@redzoom7857]

Wisest Owl FACTS! His personality and leadership play a big role in the production of his teammates, no question. Tired of fools trying to downplay dude's greatness.

[@Sly_Glide]

Did he compare Lamar Jackson to Tim Tebow? :-0

[@thetrilogy80]

And then he tried to dig up Kap LOL

[@wildlive1296]

Also Kaepernick and Tyrod. None of those guys ever threw for more than 21 TD's in a season. They also never got close to 1000 yds rushing. It's laughable to compare Lamar to them.

[@VAbulldog82]

That dude is a clown bro!

[@awman42]

Actually Tebow has won a playoff game..........FYI I hate myself for making that argument.

[@ajmerz276]

Teeeeebow wohhhhhhhh

[@darrelldurante5439]

Doug is the BIGGEST JOKE in sports talk. When he compared Jackson to Tebow, his sports pass should be revoked!!! Jackson is having one of the most incredible year of all time!!! This dude should be band from talking football.

[@7wardplatinumgod217]

dude said like tebow but a little better lmao

[@DiedricksPS]

“A better version of tebow time” that is so DISRESPECTFUL!!! He has to be the biggest hater of Lamar ive heard so far. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@GibbsVision]

Diedricks The biggest hater by far bro. It’s sad

[@prodbyammoe]

Diedricks I don’t what’s worse, him. Or Stephen A Smith

[@scottyc9917]

They disrespect Tebow too he has more playoff wins n appearances then some of the starting qbs in the league now..

[@emanuelgregory7493]

Diedricks facts

[@fakedollar1]

Diedricks i agree

[@wydjohnny]

Lmaoo this guy just don’t wanna believe Lamar is good, his opinion doesn’t matter

[@MrNahki]

His opinion matters to H.ater I.n M.eltdown. lol

[@316ht2]

He's even worse on his radio show.

[@Brian-vk1hm]

Your adjective is “good”?

[@wydjohnny]

Cody 😂😂😂

[@dusdincorleone]

Lamar is great but if a team doesn’t have a good line to block the qb isn’t making the runs that Lamar has. It’s not all Lamar. The whole team is well rounded. Put Lamar in Cincinnati is he good still.? I bet not. Ask the Leveon Bell. He’s done nothing in NY like he did in Pittsburgh.

[@brandonfrancis2531]

Gotlieb's take on Lamar actually allows me to somewhat appreciate Mangini's take in that discussion. That says a lot.

[@raya7052]

Lol. And here I thought Mangini was the biggest Lamar hater. Then I meet this Gottlieb guy and realize I was wayyyyyy wrong

[@gr8st2323]

Brandon Francis this is the first time I’ve heard Mangini give Jackson props at all

[@ZDrive]

LMAO!!!!

[@steelydanrules]

Doug doesnt want to give lamar Jackson any credit. He said Tebow? C'mon now.

[@jjcolez28]

If Baltimore doesn't fumble twice, Patriots are being blown out 42-7

[@lowlifefalife7600]

Diverse Colez Lmao “if”

[@jjcolez28]

@@lowlifefalife7600 "if Edleman didn't fumble" lmao

[@givenchie462]

Lmaoo get this clown out the comments

[@terrencelavan9982]

Diverse Colez Thank you. It's amazing that I've yet to hear these guys mention that fact, although they never fail to mention Edleman's fumble

[@jiggybah1304]

Diverse Colez facts

[@sjw4life546]

It's so hard to argue against LJ's MVP win, that it is forcing the contrarians to say things like, "He shouldn't be MVP now, because in the future he might not be able to sustain his level of excellence." LOL

[@Theannointed1]

that's the most ridiculous statement ever. Lamar is balling so hard right now, that they have to bring up his future accomplishments, to try an void his mvp season in the present.

[@razorbeard6970]

It's not hard to argue against due to him arguing FOR Russell Wilson who has been good for extended amount of time, with and without much offensive help.

[@sjw4life546]

@@razorbeard6970 had he kept his argument with Russell Wilson being his pick, then that's fine. We can compare the numbers, but he said "sustainability is the issue, and what happens in the off-season when teams adjust" Then he argued about what Roman did for other black quarterbacks around the league as a factor. That shouldn't be brought into a discussion about the MVP, because most of that that stuff is irrelevant to now. It's future projection.

[@Hooks410]

That dude wants Lamar Jackson to fail so bad that he fast forward to next season 😂. Talking about teams gonna adjust... Lamar is in his second year and he adjusted to the adjustments and he's gonna keep on adjusting to the adjustments 😂

[@rossedwardmiller]

He’ll take the madden cover when offered so next year won’t be as good as this year.

[@Hooks410]

@@rossedwardmiller It's going to be the folks that enjoy failure. You joined that list. I want LJ to succeed and you fast forward to Madden 2021 cover hoping for failure. You sound just like the guy in the clip above

[@MrLarryLessor]

@@Hooks410 Jelani: You're sounding like Donald Trump right now "Oh, a judge just ruled against me. He must have some prejudice or personal hatred and he must want me to fail". Uh, no Mr. President, a judge's job is to rule / decide while staying fair and analytical with balanced thinking. The truth is what it is: Lamar does not have much experience in big playoff games. He hardly ever had experience this season coming from behind (down by 10 or more). Tonight he got down by 10 or more - and the points started piling on for Tennessee..... Sure I want Lamar to succeed - I'm a guy who roots for the underdog (lamar was drafted lower than others)...... but people need to stop getting so excited about regular season wins... I said this 20 years ago in college - and my buddy in the weight room said "Why you hating"? It's not hate - it's just realistic judgment from years of experience.

[@wideimagination5701]

He really does 😂 I wanna know What is saying now bro

[@iaspireothers]

Did this guy compare Lamar to Tebow....time 2 turn in your press pass Doug

[@MrDrMeow]

i,aspire what do you mean? He’s literally a black Tebow obviously better but they play the same exact way in the same exact offense Lamar is just faster and slightly very slightly better at throwing

[@dkMansell96]

jerald meow Lamar is already far superior throwing. Accuracy, passer rating, whatever you want. He’s far better.

[@jaywakii]

jerald meow lmao you really just said that🤦🏾‍♂️ stop watching football you obviously don’t know what your talking abiut

[@iaspireothers]

@@MrDrMeow you're joking right? LJ is more like Vick, RG3 or Kap than Tebow (who I liked). 1) Tim Tebow has 9285 passing yards in college compared to 9043, but Tebow had an additional year in college 2) Lamar had better throwing mechanics but lower accuracy and less attempts in college. 3) Tebow was more of a power runner like Cam Newton. LJ is more mercurial and is much faster from stop or in a cut. Tebow would likely be more durable as well, but LJ avoids the big hit quite well. 4) Tebow NEVER blew out a team. His run of wins were harrowing nailbiters! LJ, not so much 5)Tebow never improved his game! His mechanics and passing stayed terrible. Meanwhile, NO ONE could say they saw this from LJ this early. His normal games look like vick in philly vs the Steelers on MNF. 6) Nick said it. LJ is on pace to throw for over 3k with 30+ touchdowns. 7) LJ has more touch, accuracy and power than Tebow. And no one feared Tebow throwing. 8) Tim tebow never had more than 9 touchdowns in a season (17 in his total career). Lamar has had multiple 3+ TD games this year. Last year the similarities were only due to how bad he was. The young man put in work, and still isn't getting the respect from people who said neither player should be a QB.

[@bnardpolo96]

Look i am tired of tim tebow fan comparing him to Lamar Jackson.. Tim tebow first year starting, (second year because he only started 3 game he first year) Tim tebow comp percentage 46%, 72 quarterback rating 12td and 6 int. Average 157. Yds per game Lamar Jackson rookie year, Complete percentage 58% That is a 12% better than tim tebow. Quarterback rating 84. This year his completion percentage is 66% that is 20% higher.

[@Rod904]

Nick is earning his keep at the cookout this year 💯

[@wick764]

On god

[@marcuscarter3048]

Big Facts this guy Doug is a joke I’m glad Nick called him out

[@youknowthavibes8302]

nick been invited and i dont invite anyone

[@taneishagranderson590]

Really???? With that Richard Spencer hair cut???? Stay sleep

[@Antisatan7771]

ashton cody word. Nick been invited lol

[@CheckCeeOut]

Doug Gottlieb tried to run from the argument, good looks Nick!

[@adigunolola]

Doug Gottlieb does not do his research... The Ravens missed the playoffs 3 years in a row before Lamar.

[@bgyon1]

Idris Somoye 4

[@joshjohnson2753]

Just a sports media troll that says ridiculous things to keep a job.

[@skinboming659]

When you been hating a man all season and and your kid asks for his jersey. Lmao Epic Fail

[@lex4758]

Why they keep mentioning sustainable? We talking now, this moment, this season.

[@DartmouthOutingClub]

Despite the name, the MVP award is NOT about who's "most valuable to their team," as so many people seem to think. Traditionally, it's gone to the QB on a team with the best or second-best record in the league that scores the most points or second-most points. Whether you agree with that or not, that's just the way it is. By that standard (and just about every other standard), Lamar is clearly the MVP. Case closed.

[@JasonsOkatGames]

Exactly. "Most valuable player in the league", meaning which single player would add the most value to ANY team they went to. Like I get the argument to take some of that into consideration but you could also say, "If Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson switched places do you think there would be 12 pro bowlers on the Ravens?"

[@OxygenSWAT]

@@JasonsOkatGames you do know each team have their own mvp player each year right? He inspires people, kids want to be him if that isn't the most valuable player than you need to explain me more.

[@JasonsOkatGames]

@@OxygenSWAT Thats... thats literally my point. I'm all for Russell winning his own teams mvp. The NFL MVP is for most valuable player in the league. So Lamar is more valuable to OTHER nfl teams if they were to trade for him than Russell Wilson would be.

[@bummer1912]

your right Lamar is MVP. Wilson has arguably just as much value to his team tho. Just think, Lamar has 12 probowlers on his team! Wilson has just "ONE"

[@VASTSports]

Well said Football discussion discord discord.gg/3AdWDgf

[@louistate3774]

We should ALL acknowledge that this roster, that everyone says is soooooo great that it would go to the playoffs without Lamar, is the same one everyone said would have a hard time going .500 after all the offseason loses.... where's all the lack of leadership talk now? What about all that lack of veteran talent on both sides the ball? What about the fact the ravens defense forgot to suit up the first 6 or so weeks and Lamar was still leading a #1 offense at the time... he not MVP cause his team's good, that's ridiculous.

[@aaronparrish1943]

I stand corrected I didn’t finish reading your comments

[@BrokenGamezHDR]

Does Mangini still get a check from Patriots. Jesus lol

[@monahanwilliams3025]

He probably does(Mangini). Doug doesn't need to talk anymore today on football topics.

[@OxygenSWAT]

He said doesn't matter how you win about the Patriots, yet he was more impressed with Patriots when they lost to the Ravens.

[@straighttexas6665]

I don’t know what you define as a Real Game😂💪🏿

[@swriley444]

Mangini stay riding for Patriots like they are still paying him lol

[@tigerhoods7927]

Lol right

[@naumnation3112]

The Patriots keep finding ways to prove everyone wrong so I don't blame him lol who do you bet on? A up and coming star, or the team that routinely beats the up and coming stars and goes to the superbowl?

[@swriley444]

Naum Nation yea I get that but he still a bit over the top on how hard he capes for the Patriots. Even with the filming the sideline thing he downplayed it like it wasn’t a big deal when he didn’t want Belichick doing it to his Browns team. Sometimes he looks ridiculous lol

[@ianatureisathingofbeauty5528]

swriley444 dont shanan sharp does thesame for LeBron James , lol

[@naumnation3112]

@@swriley444 I can see that and as a Pat's fan myself the filming the sidelines is uncalled for. No excuses on it its clear what was happening. That aside though Nick, Shanon Sharpe, Max Kellerman etc all routinely bet against the Pat's every year and the story is always the same. The find that way to win. Now this year may be different, however it's still the patriots. Cant ever count them out until its over

[@quijano1118]

It’s funny that the same roster with less actual talent was 4-5 last season before inserting Lamar as the starting quarterback. Now all of a sudden they’re a deep and talented roster. Without Lamar the Ravens are no where near a playoff caliber team. #nuffsaid

[@jalensmith6127]

Cristiano Quijano I think it’s a combo of Lamar being great and that they had a deep and talented roster last few years with Flacco who was terrible.

[@andrewhixson8246]

Mangini is such a Patriots apologist and Nick is right (no pun intended). The Pats haven't been impressive this year at all on offense and they're in big trouble once the divisional round comes around in this years' playoffs, whether it's the Chiefs at Foxboro or the Chiefs at Arrowhead.

[@mikesingh6099]

The chiefs are not very good either. Mahomes is clearly still hurt and they cannot run the ball. They’re defense is below average and they have worse losses than the patriots do. They lost to the colts and titans.....im not saying they’d lose to the pats but it’d be a toss up if they played in the playoffs

[@damienscott9654]

It will be close if they play the chiefs if they play the Ravens it wont even be close.

[@Big-guy49]

Mike Singh you haven’t watched the chiefs then we have quality wins and when we were in our bad streak we had an average of 8-10 starters out total including Mahomes injured 3 lineman tyreek Chris Jones and Frank Clark right now we are the biggest threat to the ravens and the defense has held teams to under to 20 points for a month now and I’m pretty sure our offense can score more than 20

[@annetta7793]

@@Big-guy49 This year belongs to the Chiefs, mark my words.

[@mikesingh6099]

GayBoi Farti dude with a full team you lost to the titans....and the defense wasn’t missing anyone. I’m not saying they’re bad but for someone to say they are way better then the pats or Texans is idiotic.

[@AllBoutBeantown]

Gottlieb has no idea what he’s talking about in any scenario ever

[@ericpowell8130]

😂😂😂

[@crackedalmonds2432]

"if Edelman doesn't fumble.." how bout if the ravens didnt fumble twice...

[@zachperkins3547]

Don’t you dare compare LJ to Tebow, thank you nick for putting those to in their place.

[@dylanjohnson2327]

"the ravens are stacked" ah, yes. so stacked we were projected to go 7-9 and finish 3rd in the afc north. lmfao, i love the moving of the goal posts.

[@Hscott410_]

Exactly lol

[@ejjordan3331]

23rd in power rankings too 🤣🤣🤣 #RavensFlock we remember

[@iosinc1169]

It’s ridiculous

[@laloveisbad88]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@PoloZ34]

Wanna see a stacked team look at that browns offense , perfect example as to why the QB is the leader and mostly the MVP

[@Dwat95]

We literally just saw lamar off the ravens with same roster and it was miss the playoffs every year except once after super bowl and on the verge of missing again until he was put in and how tf they playing like the broncos they are scoring tds not kickin fgs Lamar literally leads the league in td passes

[@frostichops3411]

I didn't realize mark Ingram was a Raven last year

[@Dwat95]

Frosti Chops your point

[@frostichops3411]

@@Dwat95 you're saying you saw Lamar off the Ravens last year. When they got a huuuuge improvement in their running game in the off-season with Mark ingram.

[@Dwat95]

Frosti Chops but he was winning last year without ingram

[@Dwat95]

With the same roster Flacco was losing with

[@frillo4th]

If they believe the Ravens have this great roster why wasn’t anyone picking us to win anything this year?

[@carverbearify]

Jenna wants to punch Gottlieb out his chair

[@DartmouthOutingClub]

HATER ALERT!!! 🚨 Doug Gottlieb, that may be the worst take and most poorly reasoned argument I've ever heard. Thank goodness for Nick Wright..

[@kamaljames8112]

Get dan Gottlieb off the show. He’s more annoying than skip Bayless. At least skip speaks in facts

[@lennyadams9459]

Nick always gotta set these fools straight! Nick just goes by numbers and what he sees! Get'em Nick!

[@tigerhoods7927]

You sound stupid

[@genericpatsfan1620]

why is Nick the only one without a tie? He looks too comfortable on this show now that CC is gone lmao

[@bnardpolo96]

I want to buy his son a Lamar Jackson Jersey.

[@jerryjohnson3801]

me too, with MVP on both sides

[@lamarrjones104]

Somebody get this clown off the show don't invite him again nick

[@strahdvonzarovich290]

I like that those guys are actually talking, not just screaming at each other like on ESPN

[@316ht2]

Cris would check people in a second: This ain't a debate show!

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

The ravens have certainly came a long way from being 3-2.

[@lawrencemerriman8768]

4-5 from last year. and 2-2 from this year

[@DartmouthOutingClub]

Anyone making the Pro Bowl argument against Lamar, as Doug Gottlieb has done, clearly doesn't understand football. Many Ravens are having Pro Bowl seasons BECAUSE of Lamar. Need proof? Most of them were on the team last year and were not Pro Bowlers. If anything, the fact that they suddenly have 12 Pro Bowlers is an additional argument FOR Lamar getting the MVP award - not the other way around. He has elevated everyone's game on the team.

[@jalensmith6127]

Alexios Mangini is right. They got so many pro bowlers because of the record and Lamar. But to be fair. 3 of the Pro Bowlers are new players they brought in. Ingram to a great O-Line and Peters and Thomas to a great D

[@jay3414]

What is a real game? And the Tebow comparison is laughable. Pure hate

[@iMissLucille]

How many points do u get for yards?? Cause i kno a touchdown give u 6 points

[@Chasingrail]

In an NFL game a team does not get points for yards.

[@noahartiaga]

Man these 2 guys are some haters😂😂

[@bigkev6455]

Doug is a joke, smh staring at Coach like PLEASE AGREE WITH ME... LOL man Nick couldn't wait to unload on Doug

[@thomasarmour428]

At this point the question shouldn’t be Lamar vs Russ. It should be will Lamar win the MVP unanimously or not

[@mssandy5494]

Lamar is good with or without Greg Roman and even if he wasn't on the Ravens. Glad he's on the Ravens though.

[@sonyswift2077]

Doug shut up! There is a big difference between flacco and jackson. Jackson has ignited that team. Jackson made the team better. He is a great QB.

[@hundocuh758]

We appreciate you Nick Wright for keep it real & not biased based on racist motives

[@rockykimpel]

I used to think I hated Nick Wright....then I heard Doug Gotlieb

[@danieljones1855]

Gouttlieb thinks sam darnold is better than lamar

[@rolandhenry9945]

Thank you Nick Wright for keeping it real.

[@SS2Hiro]

Ok so now that we’re 12-2 we’re a great roster but most analysts had us at 8-8 (3rd in our division) prior 2 the season...with the exceptions of Ingram, ET, and MP Juiceman it’s virtually the same roster as last year...smh

[@The-Heart-Will-Testify]

And lost pro bowl defenders too lol. MLB came back from retirement lol

[@SS2Hiro]

Roman Shocker exactly...funny how winning changes the narrative

[@justinwatterson3008]

The league might adjust to Lamar next year so he shouldn't win the MVP for this season's accomplishments lol wtf?

[@GibbsVision]

Justin Watterson exactly, I was like ‘wtf is he talking about’ lol. He’s the biggest LJ hater

[@brentmoretz4366]

If the league adjusts Ravens will just be throwing around 35-40 times a game they will be stopping the run.

[@bnardpolo96]

Exactly, award is for this season and not the next two seasons.

[@dijon3106]

I'm a big Baltimore Ravens fan , but I didn't like the host disrespecting the Patriots like that, because we all know what they can do at the end of the day. And if you look back at history the year that we won the Superbowl back in 2000 our defense was historically great the our offense was lackluster until the playoffs. This is a lesson for all the young people and all the bandwagon Baltimore fans out there, there was a point in that season where our offense didn't score a touchdown for four games in a row and a couple of those games not even a field goal. Our defense was so good and scoring touchdowns kind of like the Patriots this year emphasis on kind of LOL, that I'm not counting them out until they get knocked out of the playoffs officially. If that even happens lol. To end my point once the playoffs started our offense started scoring touchdowns and getting better and eventually beat the Giants, then a year after the Patriots dynasty started

[@soleking78]

Nick to Doug..."well I don't know what you define as real games"... Classic!!

[@rasik7000]

Doug has no idea what he is talking about.. It's laughable

[@coreyg3670]

Rasik Aryal lmao

[@donovangarrett3506]

It's just sad now

[@DJ_SPEKTAK]

Got Nick Wright pulling up from 30 on him 8:39 😂😂😂😂 🤣🤣🤣

[@brandoniixx]

oh look its doug goutlieb.. the guy who stole credit cards for a living

[@DMDvideo10]

I'm anxious to hear Nick's follow up to this game... Brady and Pats offense played their best game against a top defense...

[@skywalker39100]

Lamar Action Jackson is The Clear MVP!

[@P0RKINS2]

Fun fact: All but one (SB 52) of NE's playoff losses was a rematch from a team they played in the Regular Season.

[@magyare10]

Nick Wright making Gottlieb's take sound like a child's take

[@afmartin2734]

Other way around. Nick Wright doesn't get the sport of football and thinks it's about stats. He's a Chiefs homer who is desperate to hang his hat on things that may not be a reality in January.

[@magyare10]

@@afmartin2734 Your take on him sounds like child's take too... "Chiefs homer"

[@RossIsFine]

Odd how all these dame analysts said Russell Wilson didn't deserve the mvp for years because his team had so many pro bowlers... now the tables have turned.. and he is still getting the shaft.

[@AncestralRage]

Lamar beat Russell.😳 Where's the argument?

[@Biglt214]

LDBC 💯 🔥

[@TheJuggaloVenom]

This guy said Brady doesn’t see it. How does he not see it? Him blasting everyone on the sideline shows that he knows 😂

[@TheSocratesian]

Doug Gottlieb is a freaking dope.

[@malikbillings-el1961]

I’ve always felt like Mangini was a hater to the ravens and Lamar

[@kolby_52]

timeout this dude said if you took steph off the warriors they still a playoff team????!

[@freshprincetk]

He was referring to the Warriors team that had Klay, Draymond, and Iggy still. Without Steph, THAT team would've still made the playoffs

[@kolby_52]

Tom Kim maaaaaan no, unanimous mvp steph curry was the reason the warriors were contending without steph they were a bottom half team maybe a 40 win team

[@MrDrMeow]

Kolby Lanier so Curry was more valuable than Durant? LeBron? That’s just blatantly stupid

[@brianrobinson4710]

@@MrDrMeow that year he absolutely was

[@kolby_52]

jerald meow yes, yes he was

[@yoeyrobbins8033]

I love how now it’s our offensive line even though we had the same exact players and our starting center got hurt a couple games ago and ranked 20th. I know they improved but don’t act like we have these amazing offensive line talent Lamar makes them better

[@weltonspratley4367]

Tim Tebow???? Wow, more Lamar haters that can’t stand QB’s breaking the mold.

[@xxxderekxxxvibez7840]

Jameis winston the real MVP

[@316ht2]

Them: "Lamar is winning but it's not sustainable and that's what's really important." Also them: "Brady is winning in spite of things and winning is what really matters."

[@midnyghtson]

Nick Wright be dropping facts and jewels!

[@keeganogrady847]

How does anything that might happen in the future matter for this years mvp?

[@thejokersonyou]

I agree that this DOES help Wilson's MVP case... but this comparison... wtf, man... Tebow's stats

[@bioLarzen]

"Lamar Jackson is clearly the MVP" Colin Cowherd and Gottlieb apparently didn't get the memo ;)

[@JJ410_]

Watching these analysts in pain trying to say good things about Lamar >>>>>>

[@aqua6855]

Mangini auditioning for a second chance in New England..🤣🤣

[@lennythecool6926]

Eric Mangini once again is showing how much of a Patriots apologist he is.

[@410Phonso]

What he mean by ReAl gAmE

[@abc_12333]

I think he means against good teams - which of course is a stupid argument

[@brmillgr]

afc championship, superbowl, you know, real games with everything on the line.

[@abc_12333]

@@brmillgr Doug doesn't mean that. He was talking about regular season games this season.

[@ratbag3969]

Pats fan here. Lamar is CLEARLY this yrs MVP and if he doesn’t win the super bowl this year, he may have 4 or 5 good yrs left to get it done. My opinion

[@blackdeon93]

Wow mangini had something nice to say about Lamar? The world is ending

[@ROY1381]

That guy such a hater ain't that one of the guys who said Lamar Jackson was trash coming out of college oh yeah that's him

[@bummer1912]

Jackson will be MVP but Wilson has more value

[@jrod0515]

bruh tim tebow doug i ain’t never laughed so hard 😂🤣

[@wahoomcdaniel6359]

Everybody check your wallet after hanging out with Gottlieb. He might have stolen your credit cards.

[@lammmf]

What does sustainability and next yr performance have to do with THIS YEAR MVP

[@Xxav88]

This can’t be real lmao. Get this guy off the show

[@Valorant_Dem0n97]

Doug lost all credit to talk about sports when he said he’d rather have Larry bird than LeBron James

[@cmaestro6206]

Whoever that first guy talking is either got paid to say this to downplay LJ and look stupid or he’s completely asinine .

[@jt2gtr]

If Pat's win again this year, with the kicking game, the offense struggle, the lack of targets, it will be even greater. GOAT. Cheers

[@tigerhoods7927]

Facts

[@anthonyanderson9303]

Not to mention the video tapes lol

[@shondaleblack9539]

Don’t bring Doug back

[@brokensword8402]

As a Ravens fan, I lol'd when he said the Ravens have a good roster without Lamar. I'm not blind fanatic but you only need two eyes to see where the team was going with the same offensive line with Joe at the beginning of last season. Joe gave us a SB so no disrespect but Lamar has elevated everyone's play by buying time (for o line) and energizing the whole organization.

[@r4veneye13]

People shouldve bought their lamar jersey when he got drafted like I did 😏 #ravensflock

[@brianfoster5008]

Thank you nick