Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen: Who deserves more criticism if they miss the Super Bowl? | First Take

[@robinson012389]

This wasn't even a LAMAR JACKSON question😂😂😂😂

[@Dandamanfan69]

Real bruh, I swear the media can’t get his meat out of their mouth.

[@205dadon4]

But it's true

[@Bwnkgs562]

Molly ALWAYS interrupting

[@alexandergray732]

It’s okay I don’t mind 😊

[@SolidAvenger1290]

@@alexandergray732 "I am speaking here!" - Kamala Harris. Kim is following Harris's playbook when she begins to lose an argument. Almost everyone hates her now on FT.

[@GloryOutdoors]

“Can I just say one thing before you jump in?” HE WAS ALREADY TALKING 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣

[@thomassankara1391]

Ok so let's be fair, if Lamar Jackson is judged to a different standard because hes a 2x MVP, then how about he gets ranked like a 2x MVP, meaning Josh Allen and Joe Burrow should in no QB Ranking whatsoever ever be placed above Lamar Jackson, and every comparison should be between Lamar & Mahomes. No. We judge Lamar Jackson more harshly but give him less praise for doing more with less.

[@stobo7182]

Facts that's what's annoying

[@StepBlvck]

… Stephen A is literally saying there’s a double standard for Lamar 😂😂😂

[@soda8736]

If Lamar was 5 - 5 in the playoffs he wouldn't get this much criticism. He has been bad and not played to his regular season standards

[@-JokerIsYourFather]

Josh Allen stats in the playoffs 21 tds 4 int Lamar’s stats in the playoffs 6tds 6int Allen is levels above Lamar and it ain’t even close.

[@sethharris1894]

Lamar wins 2 mvps, and then immediately craps the bed in the playoffs for both of his mvp seasons. How can you be the mvp of the season and then turn into Daniel jones in the playoffs? He’s a joke in the playoffs and should have both his mvps revoked from the absolute garbage we see from him in the playoffs.

[@dotdottheconnector8795]

Stephen A. Is a bootlick and we all know it.

[@seandent3732]

@@-JokerIsYourFatherLamar actually has 9 TDs to 6 INTs, last year he had 5 TDs and 1 TO, I think it’s super unfair to grade Lamar’s postseason when 3 games have been , 1. His rookie season with 7 games he started , 2. His game against the Bills where he missed almost an entire half, and 3. His first season starting an entire season as an NFL QB. As of last season, Lamar has proved he can continue to play well. This narrative started when he was 0-2 his what? Second year as a starting QB. That’s actually insane.

[@yinka1425]

Kimberly shows that you can make it on national television without having any football knowledge

[@xerospades]

How do you think SAS got there? He don't know shid either lol

[@BigC-vi9jq]

Just like screaming A smith

[@SWiFTMK7]

Take these women off the air please. Tell them to look at Lamar’s postseason stats compared to Josh Allen. It’s not even close one shows up and the other one does not clean and simple. The lights get too bright for Lamar. Most of the time Josh loses post season games is because his defense fails him after he puts up a great game. Thank god Stephen A had a brain this segment

[@samcalven12]

So he’s going to the hall of fame for that? 😂

[@dadamobb6347]

They slaughtered Kimberly lol. 😂😂

[@goodnightmunchie]

Black African girl keeping it real and it went wrong 🚬🤨

[@Mastirpeace]

Like she suppose to be: stop bringing women on the mf shoe. They don’t play the game and are incapable

[@truthbearer7891]

No they just got exposed as total hypocrites. Saying Josh Allen should get no criticism because of preseason expectations is laughable joke because no one had preseason expectations of Ravens winning Super Bowl last season but adjusted them based on team success. These same hypocrites wouldn’t give Lamar credit in a close loss to Mahomes because they even pretend he didn’t play well vs Mahomes when he loses by a toe.

[@beazy3364]

​@@goodnightmunchie racist

[@beazy3364]

​@@goodnightmunchie racist

[@mrmartywaring]

I agree with Stephen A on this one: Lamar Jackson is a two-time MVP and he is under more pressure and deservingly so.

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

Lamar has had the better team in the past. But Allen is the MVP this year.

[@matthewshedletsky8261]

Allen stats in the playoffs are fantastic. His defense lets him down each year. Lamars are not. Its that simple.

[@JackRice007]

Precisely

[@hammadrandhawa6297]

Right, but when Lamar's WR's fumble at the one yard line in the championship game, that's on him. The point is that we can all make excuses Also, when Stephan A brings up expectations. Just because he got the projection wrong doesn't mean that the bills should get more credit. The Bills have always had a good balanced team ever since Josh Allen has come. (Now if they can win a championship that would be different) If you want to talk about expectations, then no one is more deserving of praise than Lamar. Scouts and nfl personnel were literally telling him he can't play QB and now he is a 2 time MVP. Sure he hasn't had much playoff success. But other than PM no one has in recent times. Nothing against Allen or any other QB for that matter but I swear joe Burrow gets more credit for getting to the superbowl and losing than Lamar get for his whole career.

[@RayWilson-bf5qz]

He still lost

[@moose_tracks41]

💥 💯

[@goodnightmunchie]

Lmao the black African community won't like this comment 🚬😅

[@davwes8594]

These ppl all claimed allen wasnt good he was overrated and this year he wouldn’t make playoffs bc his offense has no elite players and hes not good enought, now they pretend like he never gets criticized lol

[@nunoalvarespereira87]

Exactly

[@darealbumbaclotshottas8457]

Ravens beat them by 25 pts THIS YEAR !!

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

When are you going to let that go..Allen beat him in the playoffs 😅

[@ghgftyy66556]

@@HockeyDudeJames25 years ago💀

[@johnbatts6000]

@@HockeyDudeJames2when you going to let that go meanwhile this whole segment about the past y’all idiots man trying to prove a point.

[@lxb88b]

Maybe Kimberly should look up Lamar’s post season record

[@goodnightmunchie]

BLM right 🚬☺️

[@welcomefamilyhustletv]

Maybe you should look up Josh Allen’s? He’s 5-5 in the playoffs, and he has lost 3 straight times to Mahomes! They’ve both been to the AFC championship game, Allen only gets more credit because he beat up on wild card times foh!

[@AdamWilliams-hy4lt]

She is SO STUPID!!!! I absolutely don’t like Kimberly she’s just like Molly. ESPN needs to get rid of both of them BOTTOM LINE!!!! 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️😑😑

[@truthbearer7891]

Josh Allen has a .500 playoff record and he’s had privilege of playing against Mac Jones, Skylar Thompson and Mason Rudolph.

[@Paul-f5h9y]

@@welcomefamilyhustletv I mean if you wanna call 1030 yards total or 343.3 yards per game and 9 total touchdowns to 1 interception in the 3 losses to KC as shitty then I guess you have a point but 343 yds per game and 3 touchdowns per game and basically no interceptions is to me beating up on KC and not just another average wild card team but who am I to judge. Plus the points scored for in the 3 losses is averaging 28 for the bills and 34.6 for the chiefs. Vs the 10 for Lamar in the one game.. it’s only one game yeah but Allen gets credit because it’s not him that’s really the problem in the loss and the one game Lamar only got them 10… 17 if you wanna count the fumble as a td. Lamar is great… winning 2 mvps is no joke. But to act like their stats are similar in the playoffs is not right. Grant it neither can beat Mahomes and I’m a bills fan. We can just unite and admit anyone but the chiefs is fine with me

[@Sir-Drago]

Most of analyst who think Lamar should be in the SB every year are the SAME PEOPLE who would rank the QBs: Pat Josh Joe Lamar How is the QB you rank 4th the one who has to make the SB every year??

[@Urbanboy23]

Exactly, how does Josh and Joe get a pass when they constantly being ranked ahead of Lamar

[@251hitman2]

Right

[@basil1913]

Last year Lamar had the best team , yet choked , we saw Allen put on a clinic vs mahomes and other teams in the playoffs, burrow beat mahomes once . Your argument sux

[@youngOmackin]

@@basil1913can you name those other teams? The wild card 7th seeds don’t count 😂

[@Urbanboy23]

@ where was the 1k receiver or 1k rusher on the team? The offense was solely on Lamar last year

[@wyojohn]

Neither. Quarterbacks don't play defense, don't play special teams, don't (usually) catch the ball, don't block, don't coach, don't sign players, don't make gameplans, don't call most of the plays, don't build a roster ...

[@DoubleHeader97]

The media loves to single out the quarterback (or the coach) when things go wrong, sadly.

[@derekhopper6040]

Lamar Jackson is the one who chokes in the playoffs. Josh Allen didn't cause his team to lose to the Chiefs twice in the playoffs. It was his defense. Allen led offenses average 26.9 points per game in the playoffs, with a 5-5 record. Jackson led offenses average 16.1 points per game, and a 2-5 record. Jackson finally broke 21 points for the first time in the playoffs last year against the Texans.

[@drb5003]

I don't care what Lamar playoff record is. Does Sir Lance a lot Allen have a SB?😂

[@chase5400]

Why didn’t Josh Allen perform well against the worst pass defense in the league?

[@breonmitchell2443]

He got benched vs Ravens an blown out

[@sandeepgoud1311]

The elite Ravens defense didn’t deserve to lose last season. Lamar cost them and he is 0-4 in playoffs when his defense doesn’t restrict the opponents to under 14 points.

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

Sounds like a Lamar issue to me.

[@teeraw4575]

Josh has always played great in the playoffs and Lamar has yet too though

[@youngOmackin]

He has not beat one good team in the playoffs 😂

[@cusetown_kickz3159]

@@youngOmackin Yeah because any team that battled all year to out play other teams just to have a shot in the playoffs aren’t GOOD? NOW all of a sudden PLAYOFF teams aren’t good right LMAOOOO MAKE SENSE. So Baltimore wasn’t good either then huh?

[@bullforcetrading9995]

QB's don't get rings nor parades for playing great in playoffs games unless it leads to a Lombardi in the end.

[@joshuavaughn7209]

Bills never lost because Josh. Every part season loss worth Lamar as qb was lost because of him. That's the difference. ​@youngOmackin

[@9doggie12]

If Lamar played Skylar Thompson maybe he would

[@oblivionpro69]

This is what they are talking about… Postseason stats Allen vs Lamar Passer Rating- Allen 100, Lamar 75 TD/INT- Allen 21/4 Lamar 6/6 Record- Allen 5-5 Lamar 2-4

[@atraina6921]

If Lamar had to play Kenny Pickett or Skylar Thompson I’d give him a good chance to beat them too.

[@Majority999]

@@atraina6921was Mason Rudolph

[@nunoalvarespereira87]

@@atraina6921 Josh beat Lamar in the playoffs, clown.

[@stobo7182]

He's 1 - 4 outside of wildcard round

[@joemenrollins]

Josh 0-3 against Pat in playoffs Lamar 0-1 against Pat in playoffs The standard is the Superbowl

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

Allen 4-4 vs Mahomes Lamar 1-5

[@joemenrollins]

@HockeyDudeJames2 Means nothing

[@jonocss2415]

1:03 dude face 😂

[@ishmotivation8700]

😂😂

[@imhim_x]

LMAOOOOOOO

[@andreroopnarinesingh4539]

Who picks the topics? 32 QB's and the question is who of the top 2 deserves more criticism?? Its idiot topics like this thet create the illusion of pressure on these top tier QB's

[@haywood0457]

Emphasis on TOP 2. The media is divisive.

[@huejanus1333]

It also makes no sense for allen. All the same "analysists" said that the bills wouldn't even make the playoffs and be third in the division but now he has to win the superbowl?

[@JB-gc9jg]

The stupid part of this is determining how much criticism someone deserves before the game is played. If Lamar and Josh both lose to Mahomes in the playoffs, but Lamar goes 28 of 35, 320 passing yards, and 4 TDs he would apparently deserve more blame thn Josh if Josh goes 9 of 30 (again), 131 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs. Such an insane topic

[@AmenRaDarby]

Let’s see AFC Championship Mahomes 241 passing yards and 1 touchdown. Lamar Jackson 272 passing yards and 1 touchdown. Hmmm very weird to say someone didn’t play well when both QB had almost the same stats.

[@NewYorkNYKer]

How can you blame Allen in the playoff?? He did more than enough to carry the team in the past. No running game he had to throw accurate pass on target whereas Mahomes dump for 5 yds extended 20 yard play with fastest player and best TE ever lived.. This year Allen again have to play perfect game to advance to SB. That is what it is and you want to blame Allen??

[@moose_tracks41]

Here’s the crux of this topic: we all know who Allen will be in the postseason - a certified baller that outplays Mahomes and plays some of the best postseason football in QB annals. When his kicker and defense deliver like the badasses they should be in the postseason, the Super Bowl appearances and wins will follow. Lamar is an amazing talent and he always puts up numbers in the regular season, but his postseason presence needs work. The most pressure right now is on the Buffalo Bills not named Josh Allen. Like, go do your job really fu***** well because this guy 17 is historical and y’all can make history together. PLEASE. GO BILLS 🔵🔴

[@martaviouspaul7117]

So if they both lose who gets criticized the most did they even think about that before picking this topic 😂😂

[@1inchpunisher715]

It's for clicks, they got u and me so it worked 😂

[@martaviouspaul7117]

@@1inchpunisher715it’s ridiculous 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@aroperdope]

@@martaviouspaul7117 Is that a rhetorical question?

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

It's Allen because he's a much better QB. This shouldn't be a topic.

[@Mr.93.20]

@@HockeyDudeJames2😂😂😂 Lamar has 2 MVP’s how can a player with 0 be better?

[@jeremiahw1369]

The premise of the question is a problem. Winning a championship is always an accomplishment. Constantly criticising the youngest 2x mvp for not yet winning the championship at 27 years old is a toxic and trolling way to cover unprecedented accomplishments.

[@underground.dreamkingz]

Lamar can play great with a loss and y'all won't give hime credit like y'all do Joe or Josh.

[@mikep3813]

@underground.dreamkingz in the playoffs? He has one good playoff game, last season vs Houston. As far as him getting no credit for playing great in a loss......hasn't gotten it because he hasn't done it.

[@thomaswebster4777]

He has never done this, so how could you know

[@derekhopper6040]

@underground.dremkingz you're funny. That game against Houston last year, in the playoffs, was the first time a Lamar led offense scored 21 or more points. He's garbage in the playoffs.

[@seandent3732]

​@mikep3813 he had 5TDs and only one turnover last year. Lamar's playoff narrative lacks a lot of context. As well as Allen's history. Nobody looks at the context, only the numbers.

[@ezekwu]

exactly...

[@mdaddy9474]

Josh Allen Touchdown Machine is unstoppable

[@meechie5k58]

Except the Ravens stopped him

[@Hunnard]

@@meechie5k58 You're delusional

[@1onesix]

Exactly 😂😂😂​@@meechie5k58

[@kysocozy]

@@meechie5k58every raven fan is so delusional over reg szn accomplishments lmao. name two playoff games recently lj dominated?

[@wojo8881]

9 for 31 against the ravens lol

[@russellstevens9927]

Kimberly is definitely right. Beating Mahomes isn't the standard. Winning SBs is. You can't hang your hat on beating Mahomes if you get to the SB and lose. Allen should be scrutinized just as much as Lamar is he loses to Mahomes in the playoffs after beating him in the regular season AGAIN. Tf does Lamar having MVP's gotta do with anything? Either win the SB or gtfo!

[@TJRunsWild]

The point is the Bills were not supposed to be anywhere this good this season. Them being in this position during a "rebuilding year" is why Allen shouldn't get more criticism than Lamar. Meanwhile the Ravens acquired Derrick Henry in the off-season to help an already great team that was the #1 seed last season and played in the AFC championship.

[@TaiLePhan]

A 2x mvp has 2 playoff wins lmao you serious rn? R u that dumb? He the only 2x mvp to not even appear in a superbowl and you think that doesnt matter?? 😂😂😂

[@jdajayi92]

@@TJRunsWild lies! The Bills play in the worst AFC division. No one seriously thought they would miss the playoffs. Bills have been favorites for SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS

[@Robmyidea]

Football analysis used to be amazing to watch, now it’s intolerable with these panels

[@youngOmackin]

Why are they acting like Lamar’s 1-5 record against Mahomes is in the playoffs lmao Lamar just faced Mahomes for the first time last year. Josh is the one 0-3 against him in the playoffs. They need to put these open to the public

[@jeshuahwillcox5303]

None of Allen’s losses were his fault, Lamar doesn’t play good in the post season

[@Norundithus]

Lamar is bootycheeks in the playoffs

[@ShaBalla]

@@jeshuahwillcox5303 did he not cook Houston last year yes or no?

[@youngOmackin]

@@jeshuahwillcox5303 We saw him miss guys last year in the playoffs? He missed Diggs on the crosser and waited to get hit to try the home run ball

[@umungus518]

​@@ShaBallathrowing for 152 yards is cooking?😂

[@gillespieroad42]

Well that QB discussion was several minutes of my life I won’t recover

[@tww15tube]

Does Kim even watch the games?? Not trying to be mean, but her "points" are all opinions. She's clearly defending who she's a fan of. Sorry, but she and Molly at times make the show hard to watch.

[@savage9436]

✌️ go watch other sports channels then if it’s “so hard to watch”

[@JimmyJuelz]

they all just giving their opinions bruh what are you even talking about lmao

[@ojn8819cd]

This is a great example of typing a lot and saying absolutely nothing at the same time

[@mikep3813]

​@@JimmyJuelzAllen playing well in the postseason and Lamar playing poorly is not an opinion. You can look at numbers and that tells most of the story.

[@JimmyJuelz]

@@mikep3813 its absolutely someone's opinion bro smh This the problem with sports talk. People not smart enough to realize its all just opinions. None of this can be called facts. I think his play is off because Harbaugh doesn't handle big games well so its alot of OPINIONS out there champ. Don't be a sheep

[@-JokerIsYourFather]

Josh Allen stats in the playoffs 21 tds 4 int Lamar’s stats in the playoffs 6tds 6int Allen is levels above Lamar and it ain’t even close.

[@HockeyDudeJames2]

It's laughable that anyone thinks it is.

[@Mr.93.20]

How is he levels above Lamar? Lamar was the youngest QB in NFL history to take his team to the playoffs. Context matters also, both have 0 super bowls. In the playoffs losing is losing no matter what numbers you put up.

[@louisguerrero7680]

She deadass doesn’t know what she’s talking about🙄

[@travisslaven7088]

She never does

[@nickwilson6393]

Kimberly has to stop babying Lamar. It’s ok to say he doesn’t play well and wets the bed against Patrick mahomes. She’s using his mvps to defend her argument. Makes no sense. She just hates Allen

[@biggdawgchris6445]

Funny how lamar hasn’t played well but still has more wins against division leaders than josh allen in the playoffs

[@JonM47]

He’s white that’s why

[@nickwilson6393]

@@biggdawgchris6445 2-5 playoff record. 1-5 against mahomes

[@DannyMiller-e7l]

Lamar is black so is Kimberley that’s why

[@RayWilson-bf5qz]

​@@nickwilson6393 2-4 you dam hater

[@King0neEurope]

0:40 No logic in this statement at all... Lamar was terrible in the playoffs... Allen was great so far. Thats the difference.

[@rylanh.8235]

Kimberley! You're my girl, but I can't agree with you on this one. What Stephen A is saying is that at this point, based on how the NFL has looked in the past three years of the NFL, the standard of being capable of winning MVP or being determined at greatness in regard to describing a great QB, doesn't totally mean that you have to win a super bowl, but it really means what can you do against Mahomes? Also, I don't believe that you can bring up Super Bowl wins being a factor when we all know who won the past three Super Bowls. At the end of the day, it really comes down to who can really compete against the top dog.

[@jetcrews97]

I’m a huge Fan of J.Allen and L.Jackson but J.Allen for MVP🏉👏🏽

[@Phats44]

Kimberly is painful to listen to. DEI Hire

[@jnova707]

I'm a fan of Lamar but if Allen beats Mahomes in the playoffs and Lamar puts up his yearly trash numbers in the playoffs the amount of scrutiny that should and will be aimed at Lamar will be unfathomable.

[@TheLowGhoul]

Love the show but Kimberly has got to go.

[@derrickdavis5390]

It's Lamar 100%. Dude has a losing record in the playoffs yet has somehow won MVP twice. Dude also has WAY better weapons than Josh Allen's crew of average joe's that he has around him.

[@nothingspecial8114]

Kimberly still missing the point. No one is saying Burrow and Allen aren’t expected to beat Mahomes and win a Super Bowl as well. But they’re comparing the level of pressure they have to achieve that compared to Lamar. Lamar has even more pressure because he’s played BAD in the playoffs many times despite being the only won to win MVPs out of the 3. It’s not hard to understand

[@Ahnilationz]

Shes not very smart

[@heartofthelion6169]

Lamar actually shart the bed in the playoffs not to mention winning my two mvps comes with different expectations

[@darrentorain6278]

Acting like Lamar doesn’t have two playoff wins stop that’s better than 0

[@cagelocke225]

​@@darrentorain6278josh Allen doesn't have zero playoff wins, what are you smoking

[@mjes911]

Stop. If they play well and still lose it’s not on the QB! Defense and bone head coaching shouldn’t impact excellent QB play. If they play poorly, that’s when they can criticize….

[@DoubleHeader97]

When it comes to the NFL, the media will criticize anything.

[@dustinstella6656]

Josh Allen actually puts up quality playoff numbers. Lamar hasn't even thrown more touchdowns than picks.

[@sean24833]

What has those numbers gotten him?

[@RayWilson-bf5qz]

And still has zero Superbowls rings like Lamar

[@LordZark69]

​@@sean24833 zero afc championship game wins or superbowl

[@youngOmackin]

He’s beat up on wild card teams. He only has 1 win in the 2nd round. Same as Lamar

[@BrianD-ds4dx]

everybody cares about head-to-head so let’s go ahead to head in the playoffs. Josh 1 Lamar 0. Josh and Lamar both threw a pass for a touchdown, Josh to WR Stefon Diggs. Lamar to NCB Taron Johnson. 101 yard pick 6.

[@taywest7287]

The standard is to beat who’s in front you

[@DoubleHeader97]

After seeing this, I want the Bills or Ravens in the Super Bowl (and win it) so these guys can get off their backs, especially Josh and Lamar.

[@Independent365]

Allen. Media expects more from him

[@foolyunfiltered]

Manray: So Josh Allen is your pick to win MVP? Stephen A: Yes Manray: And most MVPs have least a Super bowl appearance Stephen A: Yes Manray: And the Bills are the favorite to win the Super Bowl? Stephen A: Yes Manray: And you think Josh Allen is as good as if not better that Lamar Jackson Stephen A: Yes Manray: And the Bills will have a higher seed than the Ravens in the playoffs Stephen A: Yes Manray: And you think the Bills are a better overall roster than the Ravens if you take away both QBs Stephen A: Yes Manray: So Josh Allen should get more criticism for not making the Super Bowl than Lamar Jackson? Stephen A: No 😅

[@enriqueguirola3431]

Who’s Daughter is Kimberly? Why is she even there?

[@DadWillDoIt]

Stephen A carrying this whole panel so heavily

[@brandonboyd9621]

Allen is not a legendary quarterback until he wins a MVP or a Superbowl. Lamar already has two. Allen cannot live off of a playoff win for his whole career. He has to win something this year.

[@NOBLENATION]

U see the records he's broken , only qb with 35tds five straight years. Will do 40 for 5 this year soon , on best td for a career pace. I could go on but you gotta watch the games

[@Capridi]

Why do these people talk like the QBs are the only ones on the field?

[@BigJL]

Kimberly is right 💯 there’s a double standard with Lamar. They judge Lamar so tough. Stephen A rarely COOKS Josh

[@markbrown6687]

Didn’t the ravens lose all there coaches coming in to this season

[@gorillasquadelite]

Josh Allen did that against a 4th string lions defense and he already lost to Lamar

[@justeezy8569]

Josh Allen shouldn’t be held to that standard this season, because we rebuilt this season, new OC etc.

[@jamesjazzy8040]

What a dumb question Allen would get blamed for not taking the bills to the Super Bowl only if he had a bad game. It depends on the game that would be lost which is unknown...

[@deegibbs6814]

Lamar and Allen have 2 different types of pressure on them to win championships

[@jdajayi92]

They shouldn't. That's the problem. Lamar is literally being punished for winning MVP's while Allen (who has had the consistently better team, with better weapons, and a better defense) for over 5 straight years, yet has never got it done. Lamar had that privilege for just ONE year, but it's held against him forever

[@robertwebb2015]

Lamar hasn't had a Stefon Diggs or Gabe Davis Lamar hasn't had a James cook at rb Lamar hasn't had a top OLine, and Lamar hasn't had a Joe Brady for an OC. And still has won 2 MVPs and consistently wins games. Let's talk about that.

[@lxb88b]

Those are excuses not reasons

[@AlucardMM]

Lamar had the best O line in 2019 & the best defense last year. This is just lies.

[@keymold4405]

@@AlucardMMlmfao bro said 2019

[@Bruski76159]

Lamar has the same number of MVPs as playoff wins... That's just sad

[@JT-mn2op]

Joe Brady was fired in Carolina as oc he was terrible he just has Josh now Lamar has had great running teams Josh has not & Gabe Davis is trash go look it up he has never had 1000 yds he had 1 great playoff Gm stop it. Josh beat Lamar in the playoffs plus Lamar has 9tds & 9 turnovers in the playoffs Josh has 21 tds & 4 ints in the playoffs Josh has won more playoff gms lamar has a super bowl winning coach Josh don’t

[@shonda79able]

I understand what Kimberly is saying but Lamar hasn't played well in the playoffs. And Buffalo has to beat KC when it matters eventually.

[@HaroldCratsley]

He's one of the best playoff qb ever look at the stats talking dummies

[@traivonhearn6949]

People say Allen is better than Lamar, but then gives him every pass

[@DustyDustington89]

Thank god for Lamar and Allen, wouldn’t know if these guys would have a topic people would click on without these two.

[@kevingoins1591]

That is moving the goal post. In the playoffs Lamar completed a 27 yard bomb to Zay Flowers, who taunts the defender and moves them back 15 yards 1-25. Lamar hits Zay Flowers running into the end zone to win the game, but the Chiefs defender punches the ball out at the 2 inch line to prevent the touchdown. The narrative is Lamar played terrible. Just like in this years game against Josh, Lamar outplayed Josh 35-10 Lamar 135.4 passer rating to Josh Allen 73.9. The very next game against Houston Josh completed 9-30 for a 56.4 passer rating, and the narrative is he is balling out?

[@Patrick-b2i]

What about all his others games?

[@RoddLoco4731]

What has Josh Allen did that makes him so better than Lamar…Josh Allen throws picks every game…..FIRST TAKE IS A LEMAR HATER

[@Patrick-b2i]

Throwing 5 picks In 15 games is throwing a pick every game?

[@joemenrollins]

The fact that Lamar came up is proof he is the MVP!

[@vincebato4129]

People do forget that allen got BLOWN OUT by the chiefs in the afc championship game 😭🤣

[@Theinvisibleman26]

He was criticizing lamar jackson for not winning a superbowl when he only had one mvp. Remember last year when they said joe borrow was better than lamar because of his superbowl appearance. When it was note that borrow had better receivers, they said "you dance with the girl you bring"

[@slimvickins5059]

Ravens have had incomparably better rosters and coaching than the Bengals. Why are you Lamar fanboys so fixated on WRs?😂

[@slimvickins5059]

Ravens would be Super Bowl Champions right now if they had a QB like Burrow

[@DoubleKAllday]

Lamar is better all around

[@Ravensnation94]

The goal post always moves with Lamar from he should play wr, to he can’t win a playoff game, to he can’t win a Super Bowl. Then it will be he can’t win 2

[@ezekwu]

exactly...

[@theape6778]

i've always believed thats fair since he's always been QB2 in my eyes(well maybe not this year) Burrow hopping both of them is always crazy to me because the only reason he did is make a superbowl(a team accomplishment more than anything). Josh and Lamar have the stats with Lamar admittedly being a hampered w his playoff appearances early on

[@sodblitz3445]

Someone tell mad dog and Stephen Allen is 0-3 versus mahomes in the playoffs... And has only ever made it to the AFC championship the same as Lamar Jackson

[@Theinvisibleman26]

The question is about this year, not previous years

[@Oct13ths]

you know it’s bad when there’s more comments than likes

[@MeiA-h9r]

Kimberley is right

[@tylertaylor5483]

Not even close at all 😂

[@taywest7287]

Lamar had a good game against Mahomes this year they just lost

[@jerryarnold567]

Kimberly makes this unwatchable. No angry women on sports shows please!!!

[@diversity4210]

Stephen A. needs to advocate for Kimberly to lose her job like he do these head coaches

[@brotherYari]

😂

[@MrQuileo]

The pressure is on Josh better record probable mvp 10 playoff games 1 afc championship appearance

[@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj]

This was supposed to be a rebuild year for the Bills. Josh was supposed to be “exposed” without Diggs and most people picked Miami or the Jets to win the division.

[@christopherwarburton1889]

Exactly this! 💯

[@NitroVipers3]

A ring has nothing to do with the QB alone its a team game. Judging a player by rings is moronic.

[@haywood0457]

SAS the primary media influencer hating on the black man smh.

[@soda8736]

Victim mentality

[@highbulp1]

Why do these “experts” think winning games is a QB stat?

[@DoubleHeader97]

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson: The New Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, or any AFC playoff quarterback who played during the Tom Brady era. Regular season success and stats do not silence critics; only championships.

[@bluemagic_3063]

The difference between Lamar criticism and Josh criticism is the fact that sports analysts look forward to Lamar’s poor play than they do Josh. That’s because their critique on that Lamar should’ve been a rb or wr would be proven right. Whereas Josh they try to sugar coat it. They say Josh is better but give him more excuses because if he’s better then yall should criticize him for not making a Super Bowl or having a MVP way more than criticizing Lamar playoffs performances.

[@deehollywood6013]

If you lose to someone three times in the playoffs, at some point that works against you too. It's like the Bills losing all those Superbowls.

[@JT-mn2op]

Josh Allen beat Lamar already in the playoffs let’s not forget that either

[@scruffd0g193]

No way the argument is “how much criticism should he get?”

[@yordanyhernandez4911]

Espn gotta look for people who know What they talking about

[@kevinmiller5381]

Josh is doing on his own.... He's clearly the MVP. But defense is needed In the playoffs. I'm calling Eagles as the SB champion this year...

[@MikkiChavez]

Didn't they go get Amari Cooper after 2 horrific games by Allen with ZERO TDs? Isn't Shakir the league leader in YAC? Don't Bills have a top 5 oline? MVP when in the same year he played the easiest schedule in all of football, went 2 straight games without a TD & his team had to hit the panic button for Amari is some ELITE level delusion. Mfs act like only the end of the season counts lol Lamar has better stats across the board & he isn't stat padding 1 Yards TDs .

[@jorgeoliveira1592]

​@@MikkiChavez woah there buddy Lamar was bad against the steelers...another point is at the beginning of the season nobody....NOBODY had the bills as a contender...oh they lost Diggs oh they lost some defensive players while the Ravens were picked to go to the superbowl!

[@MikkiChavez]

@jorgeoliveira1592 so his team having 3 fumbles & the kicker missing 2 field goals is HIS fault? Blaming the Steelers loss on Lamar is a perfect definition of WATCH THE GAMES

[@MikkiChavez]

@jorgeoliveira1592 so because of bunch of Media analyst were ready to throw a pity party for Allen that means they weren't contenders? Guess you missed them picking up Amari after Allen lost 2 straight with ZERO TDs smh . Allen has always had better coaching & weapons than Lamar. He's had the #1 defense twice & still can't win. Lamar has had no elite WR play his entire career. Allen has had Diggs & company. Allen is not the MVP can't just erase what happened this year

[@jorgeoliveira1592]

@@MikkiChavez first of all Lamar had in my opinion the best team last year besides the 49ers top 5 defense buddy...and Ze Flowers isn't a scrub either....the Amari cooper trade just made sense no quarterback can win a superbowl without either a top TE or a top WR that goes for all quarterbacks so even if Allen didnt get 2 losses they would still trade for Amari, second i didnt blame Lamar for the loss I only said he played bad..well to his standards

[@geraldsportsjr6074]

We all know it should be Josh Allen but the media hates on Lamar Jackson for some weird season.

[@zombieturds]

Allen went 9 for 30 and had historically the worst game a qb has had completion percentage-wise. Yeah that's real mvp material there 🙄

[@JpCalm]

Majority of people predicted bills wouldn’t even make the playoffs before the season

[@gillokonkwo791]

They both are under pressure. Lamar is definitely under more. They have a better team.

[@liqidvenom]

The knock on Jackson by Smith was that he is the only 2x MVP with no championships, then he later says championships dont matter only beating Mahomes...

[@garrick919]

Lamar in all topics let that sit in