Lancia's Deadly Delta Proved Too Fast For Rally

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Delta was a name worn by 2 cars very important to the history of rally. The first was a Group B monster, quite possible the fastest rally car the world had ever seen, and a car that shook the sport to its very core, arguably acting as the impetus to bring an end to the entire class. Then the Group A follow up didn’t just seize the torch but used it to light up every rally stage on the continent, over and over again. This is the story of Lancia’s famous, and infamous Delta rally cars.
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[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

So the car fell off of the mountain side because of the lack of railing and it is the car's fault?

[@automobilistic]

@@Eduardo_Espinoza did you watch literally any of the video leading up to and/or after that point?

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Yes, but I have attention problems.@@automobilistic

[@damarfadlan9251]

​@@automobilisticthe Delta S4 is still GOATED since it first appeared on Gran Turismo 2.

[@dictumobiter1365]

​@@automobilisticbrilliant video...👍

[@derimeri21]

Kankkunen said to his co-driver when 1987 began in testing: "It's going to be a long year." They were used to Group B power, so that's why it was going to be long. He also claims that he drove the car one handed and all out in some test. His co-driver said druing one test: "Press the damn accelerator." Juha responds: "I have been flooring it for awhile." Source? Teknavi interview. 50th birthday of Juha Kankkunen. It was a episode where Juha and Markku Alén were going through memories.

[@pekkokuopanportti6859]

It was either Kankkunen or Alén who joked about the 1987 cars that you could drive them one-handed and use the other hand to wave at the crowds.

[@vaenii5056]

The Group A cars in 1987 were also quite underpowered, even Lancia Delta producing only around 240 hp.

[@alanb9337]

Kankkunen did a regular interview/ column with Martin Holmes for motoring publications in the 1980s. Juha's early impressions of the Group A Lancia Delta after the 3rd wrc event Portugal (4th place) were first there were the burning paint odours of the new car and by the end of the event burning oil odours from the engine. Rhorl said when they tested the Group B car at Bauxites (Acropolis stage) it was over 200 km/h and the Group A Audi 200 Quattro was 170km/h.

[@johnmichaels4330]

That must have been so disappointing and maddening for those drivers.

[@ricardopereira2746]

@johnmichaels4330 Absolutely. As I said in other comment, if there wasn't for the bad, irresponsible, life threatening behaviour of the public and the organisers not willing to put more money into security, as we see nowadays, this wouldn't have happened. Of course Attílio and Henri's deaths had to be taken into consideration, but danger (in the competitors view) has and still is part of the game. Stopping Group B and not going forward with Group S may seem to have avoided more deaths, but how many deaths we had following that, either in group A, N, Kitcars. It was a stupid decision to ban cars and not putting more work in crowd control. Nowadays I go to see WRC in Fafe (Portugal) and there's still huge crowds as back in the day. Just better placed and controlled. It has been my opinion throughout the years and yet nobody really managed to convince me otherwise.

[@4zkin]

you should do more about rallying, i really like your rally vids

[@davidpistek6241]

Great stuff, pikes peak would be great too

[@AlexWeiss94]

I 100% agree

[@lukedanielgalon1596]

@@davidpistek6241hunter moon does that And trust me you can believe in him

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Ya

[@JoshuaNicoll]

Man, group B was already insane, group S would have been something truely special.

[@thesis4349]

Or more deadly.

[@daveb4128]

And yet current rally cars are now setting even faster times on those same stages that Group B raced on - technology has marched on!

[@bassblowbackrecords8932]

​@daveb4128 That may be true but group b will always be the best age for rally the technology was revolutionary and the fans were more into the sport than ever

[@pixelnazgul]

Have them use no guide, and no knowledge of track. Then you'll see that rally is not real driving, they're just flying through it by slight corrections.

[@pixelnazgul]

Groups S is called Paris-Dakar.

[@martinhubinette2254]

Toivonen reportedly complained that the chassis ended up feeling very loose due to the lack of structural stiffness/sturdiness. That made the Delta S4 harder to drive. On tarmac it was described as vague. Gravel and snow felt better. The looser the surface the better Toivonen felt it performed.

[@johngeren1053]

"Reportedly": there's a lot of that in comments and videos about S4 and 037 for some reason. The main complaint Toivonen and Cresto had was that the S4 accelerated so fast that there was no time to call out the pace notes between curves. They had to completely revise their system of making and reading them

[@sandromartins20]

And with all that, the 205 was still better

[@johngeren1053]

@@sandromartins20 Maybe the Evolution 2 205 versus the first iteration of the S4 was better without Toicvonen and Cresto, but in the last rally of the season the Lancia was sufficiently developed to allow a slightly past his prime. Alen to beat Kankunnen at the height of his talents on neutral ground, with no excuses.

[@toivonencresto]

This was at the beginning of the Season, not in May when the car passed some development and was way more easy to drive.

[@toivonencresto]

never.@@sandromartins20

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Those Group A Lancias are so freaking gorgeous, man. The Integrale Evo is one of my favorite cars ever.

[@gabrielnicholascaparas9003]

I think the Delta is remembered for two things, one of the most iconic cars in rallying history and the car that ended Group B (due to Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto's crash. RIP to these two legends.)

[@fraserwright9482]

The ford RS200 crash in Portugal that killed spectators was more structural to Group B demise, Toivonen who is buried in Espoo was more symbolic. Marku noted the S4 has no brakes and unlike the old 037 which felt like a glove, the S4 as though someone else (spiritually the hand of god) was guiding it not him. The Pug was easier to drive, hence why it won that season. He has a Pug in his collection as do the other Rally drivers.

[@gabrielnicholascaparas9003]

@@fraserwright9482 speaking of the ford, was it harder to drive than the lacia or is it the other way around?

[@alexisborden3191]

@@gabrielnicholascaparas9003 Kinda, but in different ways, the Lancia was hard to drive and fast, and the Ford was hard to drive and slow. The Ford as far as I know and imagine, was difficult to drive in a dull knife sense, in that it sucked, was easy to overdrive into a mistake. By all accounts it handled quite well, but the power delivery was bad, and the engine had no power low in the RPM range.

[@GB-vn1tf]

​@@gabrielnicholascaparas9003the Ford was still under development at the beginning and the Lancia had been a progression. Ford had only started a few rallies with the RS200 in an attempt to join in on the group B series as it was hugely popular. As for the Peugeot Jean Todt created the ultimate group B team just as he did at Ferrari in F1.

[@GB-vn1tf]

​@@fraserwright9482spot on.

[@codemy666]

While i love the insanity if Group B, i must say i kind of enjoy watching Group A alot more

[@xxNismo-]

Yeah I agree. Group A is my favourite era of rally

[@palupa42playz43]

I love the group A era as well.

[@bowlock9901]

It was a crazy era, don't forget group C too.

[@alexoconnell2175]

The S4 is my all time favourite car, an absolute marvel of Italian engineering.

[@llmkursk8254]

I honestly wish the proposed 300bhp version of Group S had gone through. Imagine the crazy designs, with such a “meager” power output, pushing car technology in situations that could easily damage them such as the Safari or Acropolis Rallies. I’d actually like to see a video on all the “proposed” Group S prototypes. I use quotation marks because rallygroupbshrine places cars like the SEAT Ibiza Bimotor, which wouldn’t have the power output but the production potential, in Group S. You could fill it out with some of the Dakar special cars, such as the legendary Porsche 959 and Peugeot 405. For those who actually want to race the Group S monsters, in say, video games, you’ll be hard-pressed to find official licenses of them given out, much less any not-licensed versions. The closest for normal racing games would be the Toyota MR2 222D being used for a car in Wreckfest, while for a proper rally game, Art of Rally does feature most of the rallygroupbshrine cars. Thank you for the excellent content, here’s to more great videos!

[@theant9821]

I'm glad group s never happened, or the group a era would never have happened, group a was by far the greatest era for rallying. Not as spectacular cars but far more competitive sport and gave us some incredible road cars that could actually be bought. I'm only really interested in homologation cars. Hence why i couldn't care less about any of the fast cars for sale today, they've never won anything. Never done anything worth doing. The group b homologation cars were just unobtainable. But the spectacle compensated for that. But with group a, the close fought battles that had made group 4 so good resumed. And we could buy one ourselves again. In reality during the group b era, the British rally championship was far more exciting than the wrc, Jimmy Mcrae vs Russell Brookes both in the Opel Manta 400 was incredible.

[@retardray5701]

@@theant9821 I agree, after the initial shock of sudden change, group A proved to be a good deal for manufacturers, drivers and fans alike - being safe and similar to road cars, but also providing more exciting road cars for normal folks to drive. It also worked well with the cheaper group N, with the same base cars being able to be used in both categories. Group S feels like WRC, but 10 years in advance and with probably little relevance to road cars. They would've been cool cars though, make no mistake. But given that cost control wasn't much of a thing back then, it's likely that it'd become too expensive really fast. After all, apart from safety, another reason for FISA to plan a replacement for group B was that there were one or two manufacturers with winning cars - others were either spending millions to catch-up someday (Ford and Rover), entering the few rounds where they had a chance (Toyota in Safari) or just plain giving up (Audi with the front-engine Quattro).

[@GB-vn1tf]

​@@theant9821but group B increased the profile of rallying more than anything which allowed the future of the sport to be healthy. The subaru impreza of mitsibushi evo probably would never have existed without group B.

[@jhypyro]

an automobilistic video about lancia delta s4, I can rest in peace now.

[@robertonicolabosi8765]

When Italian engineering expresses itself. The Sistine Chapel of Motorsport.🇮🇹

[@BOABModels]

Great rundown. There are stories that Toivonen suffered blackouts but kept it hidden through fears he would have to stop driving. The irony of the Group B ban is that by 1990, Group A was faster due to the cars having better handling and traction.

[@vaenii5056]

Sounds like a story Lancia would spread lmao.

[@santsa9042]

No way, I just finished watching your video on the 037, released 6 months ago, and wondered: I wonder if he has a video on the S4? And you do!

[@automobilistic]

perfect timing!

[@Midnight_34]

You should do more about rallying it's really interesting I really like these type of videos keep it up

[@xr.spedtech]

That's cool but ... Too much of one thing ... Is good for nothing.

[@Midnight_34]

@@xr.spedtech i know

[@alfredio]

I'm glad this channel exists

[@johngeren1053]

An interesting fact about the S4's engine is that it is not derived from the venerable iron block/aluminum head Fiat twin cam used by previous Fiat and Lancia competition cars.Rather, it was cast in one piece of light alloy, like a prewar Bugstti. No head gasket to blow if it overheats or over boosts. Valve work must require some ingenuity.

[@jussiuutaniemi3767]

Best sound ever in rallying,that engine .

[@Barry.ONeill]

Henry was sick with a flu he shouldn't of been driving that day. RIP Legend my Mums up ther now and can finally meet you

[@npne1253]

Now you have so much rally focused content, you should do an episode on the modern 2017-2021 era of WRCars, those machines, are to simply put, what LMP1 is to Group C. Absolutely incredible cornering speed and grip, they're like prototypes for the dirt.

[@xiter8868]

My father was part of the team that was developing the engine of the S4, ECV1 and 2 in the mid '80s. In test sessions some engines were reaching 1500 HP and monstrous torque as well. This is what Lancia was aiming for future evolution steps of the S4.

[@marcberard7382]

Tri flux

[@TheMailman1303]

Now this is quality race history content. I look forward to watching more of your videos!

[@davesiddons8921]

I see a Delta and I’m there, one of the greatest cars of all time

[@nickknee3515]

A very well done deep dive into Lanicas history, thank you.

[@Vexcilla]

The amount of quality and time that you put into your videos shows that you truly do care about the subject.(btw I love the thumbnails)

[@carlmorton2556]

Very well narrated and put together I was a mechanic on the Lombard rallies 85 to 87 and witnessed these changes,sadly group b was axed but while they were here wow what a group you could tell which vehicle was coming just by the sound ,Quattro,Manta 400,Cosworth R/S 500,LANCIA,and even Tony Pond in the v8 rover Vitese it will never be the same I had the opportunity to ride in an RS 200 on a special stage and it was mind blowing

[@emanueljj]

All Lancia team and technology went to Alfa Romeo where they won the DTM

[@nickpoma9901]

Great video man! I would love to see more rally stuff!

[@8888UNIVERSE8888]

Finally. A story about my beautiful Delta =))) Thank you for your work!

[@piotrgancewski6736]

I absolutely love your Rally videos, especially as there aren't many this type of video about my favorite ever rally car is fantastic, make more Rallying videos as those are really good ones

[@fossilfueled27]

Fantastic video, a really great watch.

[@Conster489]

Your channel has quickly become one of my favourites on the platform, and over the last few weeks ive found myself having worked through your entire backlog of videos. every video is a true passion piece and it shows, making excellent viewing and i really appreciate the research that must go in to every one of the short episodes. i wish you and your channel the best and a healthy growth over the coming year.

[@rushilgandevia6204]

This is one of your best videos yet

[@nicholascanjuga6000]

Thanks for an awesome video on my favorite group b car!

[@stoplookingatmeplease1230]

My family actually saw Attilio Bettega's last rally in his 037 in Italy just before he died, I own a 1985 Lancia Delta LX , love polluting the air with it

[@raimonlopez5255]

I love everything about this video Really nice man 🔥🔥

[@car-eNthusiastV8DFV]

Mate great video. You should definitely do more on other rally cars!

[@davidpistek6241]

The footage is epic what a great video

[@autiomaaelokuva-forsakenla2337]

Amazingly great videos, well done

[@jsaundersmusic]

that is a crazy good video you've got there, fair play!

[@corvetteguy2223]

So many videos on rally start and end with group b, thanks for telling the whole delta story.

[@nicholasc1781]

Great topics man!

[@bowlock9901]

This was a pleasure to watch, your going to do well young man, thanks for the content, earned a sub from me.

[@jmcst69]

Excellent video. Thank you!

[@tastefullynerdy1161]

Bro how did I not find you earlier!? Your stuff is fantastic!

[@ktvcars]

Such a legendary car, and a Legendary channel in the making! Great video and story!

[@automobilistic]

Thank you so much!

[@georgeapostolopoulos144]

Man, do I love my Delta even more now, after watching the video.

[@Billyspacerocket]

Thanks!!! Great Video 👍👍

[@mohmoudfarah1897]

Fascinating; thank you, pal!

[@405conventional]

This channel is criminally underrated.

[@SimsRacingDesign]

Great videos! Absolutely brilliant stuff. Suggestion: It would be interesting to see videos on Prodrive or the Belgian Kronos Racing. Both having tremendous success in circuit racing as well as rallying.

[@pooroldnostradamus]

A superb bit of motoring journalism!

[@iuopunderstandyourjokes9914]

The regular lancia delta looks fire in my opinion. Shoutout to the designer. I don't know who it is but it's probably giorgetto giugiaro

[@deanthefish314]

Cracking vid 👌🏾

[@doggSMK]

One of the (if not THE) best race car channels. Thank you for this. Oh and Lancia was my first car, still in my ❤. Imagine of FIA (or whatever it was back then) put the crowds in safe places and enforced cars to have 1.2 tons minimum weight, so they where safer. Group B could still be here, along with Toivonen maybe... PS: There is a video of a test of the S4 engine, making 1000hp on an engine dyno. 🤯🤯🤯

[@RallycrossGT]

awesome video as always!!!! can we have something about Rallycross in the future?

[@ViperRacing7]

Another well put together and fantastic video, with rallying as well as racing being the main gist here I'd love to see a Mitsubishi story regarding their domination in the Late 90's if its doable and Tommi Makkinen's run to 4 back to back WRC titles as well as his rivalry with Colin McRae 😁

[@kristijanbarisic4783]

I recently came across your channel and i love it. Is there any chance of you doing a video about toyota minolta 88c-v. Keep up the good work.

[@automobilistic]

Glad you're enjoying the videos! I looked into the 88C-V, but there's not really enough there for a full length video. I think I will instead do a segment on it within a larger video at some point

[@pjludda4323]

Ahhh...The 1980's...Where they lost what ever little since they had, so FISA's bloodlust could result in non-existent safety standards for practically everyone... REALLY surprised that the complete disregard for safety hadn't resulted in an out-right ban on motorsports in general. Still, some of the most epic cars came from that era, but it was a pure bloodsport and lots of blood was indeed spilt as a result of this.

[@michaelkeha]

Because people back then accepted the risk hell the only motorsport that still does MotoGP and that's cause you literally can't remove the danger the Isle of Man is the last truly special race left in the world because of it

[@Vilphy37]

Ive been waiting for this

[@deusvult8544]

Aaaaaand…like and subscribe. Great video, mate!

[@jonnywalker3208]

Great video.

[@gafrers]

Love the Delta S4 ECV and ECV2 Triflux engine ❤❤🔥🔥

[@falt.a7350]

But I think only few guys knows what is a triflux engine.... Limoni- Lombardo engineers And Beppe Fontana preparator....😢 Greets from Italy an Italian former mountain trooper Alpini 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹 genX 😂😂😂

[@gafrers]

@@falt.a7350 Yes, very light info on wiki. But if you search you can read quite a lot about it and knowing Italian is the key to it. Trifulx was insane. Alpini Rules 🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@falt.a7350]

@@gafrers Yes bro.... But if you want... searching for Beppe Fontana garage or triflux engine on yt... You can find a few videos about this genius widow.... She detained all the aluminium block of ecv2 inside her garage and many collectors "flirting" with her family if she maybe want sell all garage with all the unfinished cars and chassis... Whit secret deal.... Research on yt my friend!!!!! Again greets from Italy 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹 One time Alpini, forever Alpini

[@falt.a7350]

@@gafrers I forget.... Not in English Searching for..... Motore triflux or lancia ecv2 test motore gruppo S There are only Italian channel.... Greets again... "Ferro inique ad eccelsa" 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@falt.a7350]

Sorry..🤗 is Beppe Volta ( Fontana was another Abarth preparator) And engineer was Claudio Lombardi....🤗

[@ThauVictor]

excellent video, congratulations directly from a Brazillian fan of rally

[@aquaisuseful682]

I wish Group S came to be, basically LMP cars on dirt. So so cool

[@mondodimotori]

Nice touch the old photos of Lancia building in Turin during constructions.

[@jimbrown5091]

Can you imagine a 4wd 037? 😊

[@JK061996]

The late Beppe Volta developed a 037 4WD-H back in 2012, it had an electric motor on the front axle

[@jimbrown5091]

@@JK061996 Noooooooooo!😣

[@francouz23]

S4 is literally 4wd 037

[@jimbrown5091]

@@francouz23 except it's a "Delta sedan"

[@andredornelles8014]

FINALLY an English speaking rally enthusiast that can properly say Lancia. You deserve the Like sir

[@gavinc.morrison1147]

the idea that fisa wanted to make group b faster is absolutely insane

[@tomba33]

🤔

[@johngeren1053]

There's a vid on YT called something like 'Italian rally navigators talk about Sergio Cresto'.("Born to Be a Star") It is in Italian and I don't know whether there are english subtitles available, but it clarifies most of the misconceptions and myths about the S4 and the fatal accident. Of course no one is able to answer the question of 'What was the immediate cause of the accident?'

[@Barry.ONeill]

I still wish they didn't ban group b or group S stiffer spectator control and strick roll cage rules and fuel tank rules we could of saved rallying so many manufacturers where about to enter.

[@heliofaros1344]

That was... comprehensive 👍

[@toml5451]

Great run down. Jolly Club actually did take the Delta to WRC victory for the 1992 season, as Lancia pulled out at the end of the 1991 season.

[@skylineXpert]

You can basicly see this years tour de france how crazy the crowds were on the mountain stages. I got a flashback to this...

[@RobJaskula]

Tony Pond taking third in the debuting Metro 6R4 at the 85 RAC was a great drive!

[@hardyherrmann4154]

Mai 2 1986 was the darkest day in history of Rallye, as a German who visits Corsica for over 40 years now (since I was a boy with my parents), I regularly visit the plcae, where the desater happened......the trees are much higher now but the fire traces are still visible - RIP Henri & Sergio, you'll remain unforgotten 😞

[@johnmichaels4330]

Always wondered how to say lacia. Thanks.

[@blinco1539]

I was just thinking this guy should throw in a rally video the other day and now it pops up!

[@certifiedwack9042]

i have a lancia delta integrale hot wheels on my desk at work. very cool. big fan.

[@moufidyh4456]

LANCIA definitely was a legend in the world of rallying but this not the same when we talk about the financial situation of the company today most of the people don't even know what is LANCIA this is so disappointed

[@TheGreatIndoors1979]

23:11 That was a smooth edit.

[@JohnCharb87]

Lancia Martini Racing would live on...in videogames. The Lancia Delta HF Integrale was featured prominently in the popular Sega Rally Championship for the Arcade and Sega Saturn. Also in the Gran Turismo series.

[@cwj2733]

the 037 stradale, delta hf integrale evo, s4, stratos stradale and fulvia coupe rally are in fh5 😃

[@joaogaspar9184]

The s4 in I the grand turismo 4

[@Whiterabbit124]

Your voice is quite unique. You sound like middle-aged BBC broadcaster. I love it

[@noahman27]

I just finished watching the new movie Race for Glory: Audi Vs Lancia. It was a big let down. Flat flat flat story telling. I came to youtube to do some research into the story that inspired the film and I ended up here. Gotta say, you did a great job on this video. Interesting, well put together and exciting. Keep it coming!!! Great work.

[@operaatio5117]

I heard that the panels in S4 were so weak that you could floor the pedal literally through the floor and it would get stuck.

[@automobilistic]

yes I even mention that exact point in the video

[@GeorgeTsiros]

@@automobilistic the pedal did not have a stop? ... how... ?

[@joaogaspar9184]

It did stop but the when it stopped the throttle was stuck like the driver was going all out ​@@GeorgeTsiros

[@ramadhanisme7]

Well that's rally for you, F1 is more technical while rallying is a combination of technical and guts

[@damarfadlan9251]

I still remembered the Delta S4 on GT2.

[@agungdewandaru6057]

I love group b rally history

[@johngeren1053]

Reports immediately after the Corsica crash were that the fuel tank was punctured by a broken chassis tube, not a tree branch.

[@Rentta]

There were 2 considered specs for group s. Lancia also had ECV-2 which looked nothing like any Lancia road cars.

[@captainsmartass3368]

I really hope that Mattel will a makes a Lancia Delta S4 Hot Wheels car. By the way thank you for doing my favourite Rally car

[@christiann.1541]

Love old Lancias

[@MegaNene666]

Do you not have a video of the saleen mustang? That came out on Gran Turismo 2?

[@archive303]

When do we get the thing we are all waiting for! Peugeot 205 T16!!

[@PuncakeLena]

Where'd you get the R5 poster?

[@alantaylor353]

GORGEOUS.!!! 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

[@SuperGoose12]

First! Also my favourite rally car is the S4 and its brother, the 037

[@derrickstorm6976]

More like a distant cousin

[@falt.a7350]

More like a mother 😂😂😂😂 It's pretty accurate... Greets from Italy 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹

[@Tacko14]

It always struck me as the most interesting time in rallying, when grB was suddenly out and grA was the only class going. Nobody knew what to do, but Lancia had just the thing to show the way forward. It was also HEAVY. But hey. Everyone was scratching their heads as to what shall we do now? And for a moment, it was like 1970-ish. Nobody had the answer yet, just like old times. Nice! Me, I’m a grN fan. Just get a line product car, see what you can do. Win on Sunday sell on Monday gets a twist when you’re racing true factory spec cars. It makes the constructors sit up and pay attention to what they’re selling us irl

[@skeletorlikespotatoes7846]

More rally please

[@JK061996]

In a tragic coincidence the fatal accidents of Bettega and Toivonen/Cresto occurred exactly one year apart, on the 2nd of May. Both cars had the number 4 as well

[@teaganwindago3132]

Your knowledge made me sub and like. Although you don't look old enough to be alive during this time, I was! But I have respect for your work and dictates a sub. I wanna see what else you know. I know military ands weapon systems. But am building a 95 Nissan 1.6 that I bought brand new. I'm a certain kind of engineer but not when it comes to cars. I want it RB, 1JZ, LS, Hell I dont care as long as it's all wheel drive and powerful. I'm still trying to figure out if I want it as a drift car or Rally. I'm leaning more towards rally. Gives me more options. I'm in east Texas by the way.