Tile Leveling System Battle - Levtec vs. RLS

LEVTEC and RLS (Raimondi)
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[@jeffostroff]

I've been using Raimondi for 3 years now and quite happy. One thing your forgot to mention about the Raimondi wedges, that they are NOT exactly like the Levtec wedges, they have that extra little tail that sticks out the back end, giving you more downward force across slightly more distance, improving the level between 2 tiles. Also I got that bag of 300 clips 2 years ago, weighs a ton when you buy 3000 of them! I've gotten accustomed by now to knowing if a clip will break, and I stop clicking the pliers right before it's about to happen. Also, I save any of my clips after I smash them off the tile the next day. Any smashed off clip that still has a U-shape is usable for tiling backsplashes when you need tons of spacers in between thin backsplash tiles, and you now have a large u-shaped spacer with a handle. So keep a separate bucket for those.

[@Fetid1337]

I'm glad to hear someone else found that ingenious as well. Do you use the backside of the U or the double pronged side? We've had some difficulty removing them when using the fat side. If that's how you're doing it, any tips past get a new blade ready for your utility knife?

[@professorkaos2781]

yes once you understand how to wiggle and hold the clip as needed to avoid breakage, no other system gets more pressure on the tile...its amazing what the RLS system can do even when people use it on bad substrates it often pulls the tiles together so well that its rare for the tile to be hollow. They also have double ridged clips that provide even more push strength for LFT 4ft and up. Thats why so many companies just "clip and go" with this system and if a repair is needed here and there, so be it.

[@jeffostroff]

@@professorkaos2781 Yes they have other tile channels here on KZbin that tested these side-by-side with other companies and these clips break the least.

[@professorkaos2781]

@@jeffostroff yes but at the cost of less power....if i want a clip that doesnt break i think peygran is the best for your money but RLS once u figure it out is the best IMO except for lev tec which is 40% more cost

[@ashley89837]

@@professorkaos2781 can you use peygran with any other wedges? in the uk the wedges are expensive for them

[@robbifalchi1889]

Good review, but I would still go with Raimondi, because as you clearly indicated on your video, with Raimondi clips, if you made a mistake, it can be disassembled without breaking, The Levtec breaks when disassembling it. Secondly, Yes the Raimondi will break if you step on it. So keep the clips in a box and not lying around and use them from the box as you require them. If there is more than one tiler at the same time, then have multiple boxes with clips to share. Thirdly, why I also would recommend the Raimondi clips, is because they will with less effort break off after the tile/cement has cured. You do not want to battle in breaking the clips for the next process (Grouting). In my personal opinion we prefer the Raimondi system.

[@justinofboulder]

Thanks for the video! Have used many different systems now, and am yet to settle on one. Progress Profiles (PLS) has been my favorite for some time, but did try my Raimondi's again recently. Been thinking of going back to them, but am always so frustrated by how easily they break. Based on your info, I guess it is still cheaper to have a few break from time to time than to spend the money on LEVTEC.....

[@Fetid1337]

This is a great review. How do you feel about the clean up though for removing them, were there less hangers from the levtec? In a year has your view changed? Thanks for the great videos btw. Your saw vids have helped me a lot.

[@LandbergTileTV]

Levtec is superior in my opinion and seam to break off better.

[@Dtileandremodeling]

Awesome review.I am a avid rls user and I still choose rls over lev tec!

[@LandbergTileTV]

Thanks man! I've been watching your videos since 2014 so I appreciate that! And yeah, RLS still kills it on price.

[@Dtileandremodeling]

Landberg Tile-Handyman-DIY That means a lot!Thanks for watching! Yea in your video.What will keep me using rls is that you can remove and reload insert the wedge unlike the lev tec

[@billbarberconstructioninc.17]

Great video...

[@LandbergTileTV]

Thank you sir! 👊

[@dmp9021]

Thank you...What about underlayment. I was looking at Easy mat with the adhesive already on the back. Like the sound proofing and a little pad between floor and tile, what do you think?

[@LandbergTileTV]

I think that's a great idea!

[@cfomusic73]

Please add a link to that easymat product.

[@raultorres8459]

Nice video!! How many Levtec do I need for 2,200 square feet using 24-inch tile?

[@LandbergTileTV]

thanks brother, just buy 2k or 3k worth of clips! 👍

[@StarrTile]

Very thorough review. Amazing how much we rely on leveling systems nowadays, when only a few years ago we just did it the old fashioned way...btw, I don't envy you doing that huge floor :-(

[@LandbergTileTV]

Thanks man! We would be killing ourselves installing these planks without a system, and yeah, my body was feeling it after finishing the 600 sq.ft. job. Makes us appreciate the shower jobs even more!

[@Louthemailman]

these leveling systems save alot of time as far as installation goes..tiles are geting bigger and bigger this makes everything so much easier ..

[@creative_vlad]

StarrTile and tiles keep getting bigger. My local tile store started carrying 24x48 porcelain

[@stiofain4693]

Hi there, Great review, I also find that lev tec you can push further in, and after floor tiles are set it is easier to remove the lev tec, as the Rls tends to leave pieces sticking up between joints... imo... 👍🏼 lev tec..

[@MrRegis31]

Hi, I usually use a slightly larger(2 or 3 mm) recoverable spacer than the RLS base to solve this problem! hope it helps

[@juanpablokotarenteria8652]

Thaks bro from mexico

[@seanlee6361]

Thanks for the price comparison! Where do you live by the way?

[@LandbergTileTV]

Mars!

[@seanlee6361]

Landberg Tile TV Really? I just live next door Jupiter!

[@Cb.951]

How do I measure the offset for the tiles? That’s the only thing that is holding me up and I’m sure I’m way overthinking it. Thanks for the vids!

[@mikesornson6938]

Use 33% of length of tile or to make it easy say 30 %

[@TcChino5]

Nice video

[@LandbergTileTV]

Thank you brother! 👊

[@ASharperFinishLLC]

You should do a new video on the new design Levtecs.

[@LandbergTileTV]

have it already kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWOvnWV4epZqp9k

[@shannon1872]

Howdy! Are you still using Lev Tec in 2021? I have seen so many different systems on Amazon its silly. Also wondering if those are better than the spinners ?

[@LandbergTileTV]

Yes sir, it's our go to system for sure. Love the clips, bright green wedges and the amazing Dewalt box that comes with the kit!

[@shannon1872]

@@LandbergTileTV Thanks! I went ahead and ordered one if the Frosch kits and the levtech kit based off one of your other videos. Figure Give them both a try and send back the one I don't like. Love your videos !!

[@learnprogress6618]

thank you , can u recomend one for slab driveways or garden driveways with thickness of 22 mil

[@LandbergTileTV]

I'm not sure what leveling system would work for 1 inch plus material. Sorry I can't help!

[@LandbergTileTV]

The leveling systems in this video are for tiles up to 1/2 inch

[@learnprogress6618]

Ok thanks for reply

[@majdq8]

I prefer clips that break off easily with a slight hit with a rubber hammer. Just don't step on them!

[@askthisoldtileman5401]

Buy the way good review, being use raimondi clips from day one there the best. Notice everybody copying them. And price is better

[@baseballer6900]

Question with these leveling systems, do they still allow you to use 1/4 spacing?

[@LandbergTileTV]

Not that I know of

[@joelherrera5417]

They will give u a 1-2mm at least joint I don’t know how the works in inches

[@carlhutchinsondotcom]

$75 for levtec? $211 for 500 wedges and $211 for 500 clips up here in Canada!

[@sauerpickle4926]

spin doctor is far superior to any other system in my opinion. They don't break like all the other ones at all. Very durable and you can really tighten down on them. I was breaking these constantly and having to rework them into the tile. Spin doctor is the ticket.

[@zekesantiago8935]

Im trying to decide between peygran and levtec. I’m sure there both good it comes down to price. Any help I’d appreciate

[@LandbergTileTV]

Just wait, new Tile Tool video launching Tuesday on that topic. I would go Levtec, but the video may help your decision.

[@zekesantiago8935]

Thank you for getting back

[@davidnokleby5372]

This is what I was going to ask. Which do you prefer, lev-tech or peygran?

[@danthecarpenterman9463]

If u average how many rls clips break then the lev Tex price does not seem that inflated

[@rotcod2886]

You didn't really show any of them breaking during installation besides when you stepped on them.

[@creative_vlad]

I like Lec-Tec’s bright green too. As a matter of fact I liked the green so much I bought bright green 🧤 gloves. Maybe RLS clips have better snapability (technical term 😎) when you remove the wedges? Could you try RLS clips with Lev-Tec wedges? My local tile store carries RLS; $159 for 2000 clips. Seems like a better deal than Amazon’s $179.95 for 2000 Lev-Tec clips.

[@LandbergTileTV]

I'm in the same boat! Bought the bright green gloves to match the bright green wedges...Love that term snapability! I'm going to have to use it if you don't mind 😃 Also, Levtec sells 2k clips for $160 (re-designed). Thanks for the info in the comment and watch my friend.

[@creative_vlad]

Landberg Tile DIY TV I don’t mind 😎 do you have a link for cheaper clips?

[@LandbergTileTV]

@@creative_vlad go to contractors direct dot com, great site for clips.

[@patrickmckowen2999]

👍

[@EM-fi2qg]

Was the recliner still in the room so the customer can watch over you like an alley buzzard?

[@LandbergTileTV]

Lol, it's never fun having customers watch you create magic!

[@tilerman]

Ha ha. I was getting set up on a job once. I had carried all my tools and tiles in. Room set out and straight edges down. Client carried a chair in and said he was going to watch me to check I was doing the work correctly. Without saying a word, I packed up all my tools, reloaded my van and left. His face as I drove off was a picture!

[@tilerman]

Not going to get into a tit for tat with you but no I don't do shit work. I actually do very nice work. I get enough work to pick and choose. Thanks.

[@Boo-pz7li]

I always tell them it costs extra to watch

[@davidlynch7666]

Boo Boo I once heard a GC tell a customer $100/hour. $200/h if you tried to do it yourself and I’m coming to fix it. $300/h if you sit around and watch me work.

[@joelherrera5417]

As an experienced tiler ramondis or other types which are pretty much the same are a lot better then lev tech on floors! They don’t bring the tile up as good. They are just to Flexi! But on walls they are just as good as u have gravity on ur side! Lev techs knock out easier the next day then ramondis but yeh on the floor not as good

[@TheMartilloroli]

and I like you videos

[@Sakoul]

I am using these days rls 1 mm clips. 50% are breaking

[@LandbergTileTV]

RLS definitely breaks more than Levtec. We think the extra cost is worth it in the long run. Your not wasting so much time with clips failing.

[@wolverinegnr]

Rls has new HD clips have you tried them? Thanks

[@Sakoul]

@@wolverinegnr of course same sh@#$@it.not breaking so often when you install but next day when you kick them everything stands above the tile an you have to pull or cut them out

[@teh60]

Great review. I think Levtec has the edge.

[@LandbergTileTV]

We must definitely prefer Levtec over Rls 👊

[@tannerjeppesen7411]

I used the raimondi system with a 1/2” trowel and ended up having to pull up most of the tiles I used with it. I made sure that I had my lines all going the same direction. Mortar was about the consistency of sheetrock mud. What did I do wrong?

[@LandbergTileTV]

Did you backbutter the tiles?

[@tannerjeppesen7411]

Landberg Tile TV no I didn’t realize that I needed to.

[@diydarrell3196]

Your conclusion is wrong. During the video you stated no clips broke on installation and to remove the wedges only the levtec broke(20%). In final results you says only RLS broke on install and removal. So which is it? As for RLS breaking when you step on them. DUH! Sounds like RLS is the winner!

[@zwiedzamyespana_mmbus1587]

Mega 😁

[@sweekmode]

Both clips are same price on Contractors Direct.

[@sweekmode]

www.contractorsdirect.com/Tile-Tools/Tile-Leveling-Systems/special/Contractor-Pricing

[@LandbergTileTV]

Yes sir, this was a much older video..

[@jayrose9463]

I bought levtec but this video makes me thing it’s not the better option.

[@brianhirst8035]

Funny how I only saw Levtec break during installation.

[@bookofjoe6827]

Hey man I have a friend in your area looking for some tile work...I shot you a message on Facebook.

[@regibson23]

Levtec wins even though they don't allow any adjustment after set? Are you just going to ignore that in the conclusion?

[@Jetpilott77]

Just don't step on them, win win

[@levtecsystemstilingproduct7411]

Hi Landberg Thank you for the review. To remove the LEVTEC wedges from the clips during installation we recommend pushing the top of the clip back towards the back of the wedge. The direction that the clip is leaning and you will have no issues removing them. Also if you look up www.tiletools.com I think you will find that the LEVTEC products are very competitive against the RLS. Regards Michael (Levtec Systems)

[@TheMartilloroli]

I like rls I get the 500 for 34 dollar I thing is a good price

[@msvda6788]

I get 2000 clips of RLS for about $130

[@LandbergTileTV]

yes, they provide great prices on the clips! 👊

[@minihypehouse5624]

QEP are by far the best and only $10 at Home Depot, they do the job that’s all that matters, why spend so much money on something you’re throwing away, not cool to add this to your estimates!

[@LandbergTileTV]

Lol definitely not the best, but they do work

[@savasexe2394]

Points for colour??? Wtf

[@Reymundodonsayo]

A good tile setter doesnt need these. $ snd bs

[@shovelheadseven]

I disagree with Levtec being worth the increased cost. In comparison the Levtec did not improve the final result. Therefore the performance was no different. In fact RLS actually held up better since it didn't break when removing the wedge to adjust the tile. Do not step on the spaces prior to insulation and save the 40% to 50%. Keep the profit rather than give it away to see no difference in the final result. After all no one will know or care which system you used since they are producing identical results. Your bottom line

[@LandbergTileTV]

Levtec has a new and improved system and they have lowered their prices dramatically. 2000 clips for $160