LANDCRUISER 200 | 6 speed GEARBOX? | Why the stock transmission behaves as it does | Modified Review

[@andylo727]

Mate I cannot find a better explanation in terms of user friendly wise. Thank you for the great presentation again Nathan :)

[@petep7410]

Great video Nathan. You’re one of the very few people on KZbin that actually know what they’re talking about.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, appreciate the comments! Glad you enjoyed the vid. Cheers

[@jebw]

Excellent work Nathan. While some can debate your opinion, your data gathering and presentation is top notch.

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. For sure, always encouraging constructive debates, but I do try and source my info and opinion from the facts and that's where the testing comes into it 👍 Cheers

[@gregtoth7534]

Nathan, you nailed this.Thank you! It would be interesting to add the fuel consumption stats to the 5th and 6th comparison.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it 👍 I'm thinking fuel consumption test is on the cards for a future video, maybe with the van too Cheers

[@jamiegauci8955]

Great video

[@Mouldyturnip75]

Another great vid - your right about the desire to have 6th. Its like I bought a car with 6 gears, I wanna use them all. Still won't stop the FB experts claiming 17l/100 on 35's towing 3t, locked in 6th uphill and into a headwind

[@XploringOz]

Hahaha 🤣 So true. Some people seem to get the fuel consumption figures of a hybrid Camry from a modified LC200. Not sure what the big fuss is about there, the vehicle uses what it uses...

[@peterj1376]

Hi Nathan, Thanks for explaining why the gearbox does what it does. I can sometimes kid my 200 into 6th when it wants to hold onto 5th by momentarily either backing off or hitting the gas then slowly getting back to required highway speed. But she's pretty keen to drop gears on any sort of undulation. I've always been told not to tow in 6th or overdrive in any car but I think most people try to get into top and watch the tacho drop because they feel like they are getting maximum economy and the engine is doing less work there apart from anything else. Your video has shown that there is a lot of other stuff going with temperatures etc (that most people don't have the gauges to see) I guess in the end it's a matter of extra wear and tear on the motor/drivetrain opposed to the perceived or actual savings in fuel. For lots of people it's "litres per hundred" that's king. Thanks for the video because now I understand why it does what it does. Cheers Peter J

[@XploringOz]

Hey Peter, your welcome and I'm glad to hear that you got some value from the video 👍 There sure is a lot going on behind the scenes and I don't blame people for not knowing what this is, but it is very important to recognise what the vehicle is doing, particularly if you are trying to get it to do something that doesn't come naturally to the factory system. There is definitely an obsession with fuel savings, but in the end, personally I'd rather spend the fuel and save the vehicle in the long run. Cheers.

[@shanenorwell8580]

Spot on mate. People always associate revs with fuel consumption but it’s not always the case, if the engine is reving outside of its torque range ( both above and below) it’s going to be less efficient.

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate. Also considering that when you're under more load, the injectors are providing more quantity of fuel, not just altering the timing. Would be interesting to see a fuel consumption test side by side. Hmm, maybe an idea for a future vid 👍

[@watpat4930]

Fantastic video, something which supports my decision to use the MM4X4 lockup kit as opposed to others on the market. In short, the MM4X4 kit won't lock into gears based on speed alone, in fact, it takes all Toyota factory inputs such as temperature and load, therefore, ensuring transmission longevity and not allowing it to operate outside of the factory parameters. I must admit whilst watching the video I was wondering how you kept it in a 6th even when loaded up, but knowing you have the Stocklock that makes sense.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, they are great devices that provide awesome control over these 200 series standard function. Yes, the biggest reason my vehicle holds that 6th gear in the transmission tune. Changing the shift points and torque tolerances have made a huge difference. Cheers, Nathan.

[@4bnewb969]

Well researched and presented. I don’t own a LC200 but expect your findings & transmission behavior hold true for any auto whose top gear(s) is an overdrive. Cheers

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback. Yes, the principals explained here would transfer across most automatic transmissions. Cheers, Nathan 👍

[@peterjacobs355]

I have started towing my 3.2T van in S4 as opposed to S5. Fuel consumption has improved albeit different roads etc and not a controlled test. I will change up to S5 on a flat road with no headwind. Need to get my Ultragauge fitted to see what is happening in the temp dept.

[@XploringOz]

Great choice. This is what I would generally recommend for heavy duty loads and weights. S4 is a great heavy load gear with direct drive and maximum strength. 👍 Still can't recommend the Ultragauge highly enough, one of my favourite modifications. Cheers, Nathan.

[@frednurks8528]

Great video and really appreciate the data you have collected to support your views. I am a simple man and old enough to know that overdrive gears were introduced to chase fuel economy. Add to that differential ratios we’re getting taller for the same reason. My approach has been always to avoid overdrive gears when heavy towing, for the very reasons you have pointed out in using the bicycle example. Do your transmission a favour and avoid overdrive gears when heavy towing and on a safety point, anyone who tows a van at 100 or more is dangerous.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, higher speeds and lower fuel consumption come to mind with modern day vehicles. Glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers, Nathan.

[@zoezoe610]

Top video Nathan, everything you say is correct. Plenty of BS out in 200 series land. We tow 3t in S5 with a trans lockup kit and never have issues with it hunting gears but expect it to go down to 4th when you hit a hill. To me 6th gear towing is like the manual gear box if you don't change down and just load things up it is not using it for how its made but just forcing it to stay in a gear not suited.. Most only get a trans tune to get into 6th which has no torque anyhow.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, they're sure is a lot of 'theories' that are developed regarding this topic. I hope this can clear some of them up. I agree, for the majority a 5th gear selection would work fine and when paired with the lock up kit, performs very well. 4th gear, direct drive is definitely an advantage when placed under even heavier load and will save some wear and tear 👍 Cheers

[@paullee2561]

I have a 2016 model and fitted a torque converter lock-up kit. I only use it when on open roads. I predominantly use it when towing my van which ways about 2700kg. I only select 5th gear after forcing the earlier gearbox shift speeds. This is achieved by moving the gear stick forwards twice after starting the engine and selecting manual (automatically selects 4th gear). This makes the 5th & 6th gears change at about 10kph slower. The gearbox changes up and down the gears as required/normal without any issues. The vehicle is a real pleasure to drive as it is not constantly hunting gears, dropping the lock or doing both at the same time. No more revs going from 1900 to 3200 because it dropped a gear and the lock at the same time. Very happy with the outcome with over 40,000 kms towing time. If in hilly country I deactivate the torque lock before I hit the hills.

[@XploringOz]

Awesome, great to hear you've found a good combination that works! I used to use the technique of pushing the manual select forward twice as well, but this was before the gearbox tune. Although I found it entered the higher gears easier, I didn't find it adjusted any of the torque tolerances and therefore still hunted for those gears regularly. Either way, like I mentioned, it's great to hear that people are aware of what their vehicles are doing and this is what is going to save excessive wear and tear in the long run. Cheers, Nathan.

[@trevorclose2861]

I'm a bit late finding this discussion. Paul, why deactivate the torque convertor lock? I find that with it locked the transmission fluid temp does not sky rocket as it does when unlocked. I believe that it is burnt/damaged fluid that loses its ability to lubricate that could be detrimental to the transmission. Burning fuel to heat the fluid in a slipping torque convertor and then throwing that energy away with an additional cooler is just waste. My thoughts IMHO.

[@paullee2561]

@trevorclose2861 what I should have said about disengaging the lock up on hills is on very steep hills where the transmission will change back to 3rd or 2nd gear. I believe that under severe load it may be better to have some slip as opposed to overloading the gearbox. This was implied in the user manual.

[@stevegoodwin5841]

Great explanation. How are the stats comparing 4th and 5th at 100 kph towing ie fuel usage, EGT, Transmission temp and engine temp? 4th is 1:1 direct drive and highest torque for towing heavy as shown on a dyno. Heavy towing is usually best in 4th I would expect with the higher revs not worse fuel consumption achievable but better than if towing in 5th with increased engine load.

[@darwonboyful]

You have to remember that the majority of 200 series were sold put side of Australia and mostly in the middle east where they can drive at much higher speeds than we do here in Australia. In the middle east I'd say they are probably perfectly happy with the gearbox tuning

[@XploringOz]

I hear where you are coming from, but what we also need to remember is that the majority of sales outside of Australia were petrol V8's with different gearbox tunes. The Middle East use petrol, along with the US variants. Cheers.

[@algharbia4233]

@@XploringOz Actually we use both engines. I am currently happily cruising on the roads of Saudi Arabia at 160 km/hr on my 2019 V8 D4D 200 series as I type this reply.😍

[@XploringOz]

@@algharbia4233 Nice! Good to have the choice!

[@stephenroberts1369]

I don't even have a 200 and watched this video. Your detail is next level 👌 💯

[@XploringOz]

Haha, well at least now if you do get one in the future, you know how and why the gearbox performs like it does 😂 Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback 👍

[@georgeborse1916]

Another informative video Nathan, thanks for your excellent continuing video series, I’ve also installed the MM4x4 converter lockup kit, so far it works beautifully, I’m looking forward to seeing your next video🙂👍

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it. The lockup kit sure it a great little addition and makes the vehicle much more drivable, whilst keeping those temps down. Cheers 👍

[@pvcs1754]

Great vid Nathan. I couldn't agree more with your results. The way I usually explain this to people is, simple physics says to a climb a hill you need a certain amount of torque to move your specific amount of weight at a set speed. The higher the gear you try to do this with the less torque you are making at the tyres and the more right foot, boost and fuel the engine needs to make to achieve that required torque. You want to use gear ratios to make torque, not just ya right foot.

[@XploringOz]

Good analogy! This can be harder to explain to those who maybe haven't had much experience in the mechanical world or aren't mechanically minded. We need to use all available systems to provide the best efficiency when we can, rather than just relying on the awesome V8 power! 😂

[@MC-jf6ic]

How about re gearing the diffs? This would fix that issue.

[@holgermuller2987]

Hi Nathan, yep that’s what I was expecting exactly the same as my one. Empty vehicle doesn’t mean much to us towing vans. What is more interesting then engine temperature is the variance in auto sump and converter temp locked and unlocked. You did not showed this values yet. C mon, get your new van mate… Load it up and run down the road for a trip and repeat the test over 1000 km and don’t forget to come back…. I assume with a 3.5 tons van in tow loaded the 6th gear is of the table since your engine load will be close or sitting on 100% on the straight w/o head winds same for the EGT. Looking forward your next test now and intro for the new van. Keep the sunny side up Cheers

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, I could imagine there would be a lot of 200 series out there experiencing theses same problems! Mate, I can't wait to get this van and the wait is just killing me, I can't wait to take delivery and finally show it on the channel! I'm sure I'll end up doing another test towing, seeing how these gears not only effect temperature and loads but also the fuel consumption. There are some other specific considerations for towing, so I'll include these as well. I believe you are right about 6th towing. I don't think would even be an issue, particularly because you wouldn't be towing at 110km/h either. Cheers 👍

[@HardstylePete]

Load itself is not necessarily a bad thing. You did kind a cover it with the concept of rising temperatures with a loaded vehicle. The engines in a passenger vehicle with the factory cooling system is not designed for long period of maximum load compared to medium and heavy duty trucks that are designed to operate at or near maximum load for their entire engine life. With good understandings on the different components that can overheat with heavy payloads and towing weights, the owner can upgrade cooling systems to expel more heat. Larger radiators, larger engine fans, transmission coolers, intercoolers, oil coolers, more efficient and newer turbo chargers and even differential coolers. The alternative is just swapping a larger, more heavy duty engine into the vehicle like a duramax v8.

[@fgk228]

Good video mate, have you though of throwing a fan on the transmission cooler and seeing if that makes a difference in temps?

[@andylo727]

Just to add: My Prado 150 running the 2.8 1GD with the AB60 (no F, unlike 200). The temperature difference is a bit more between 5th and 6th gears (compare to 200, mostly due to power/weight ratio etc). It took me a really long time to understand the reason behind (I did a lot of testing on my road trip from Brisbane to Simpson desert) to back up my finding. However I wish I would have seen this video beforehand, it will saves me lot of time, sweat and worries, haha.

[@XploringOz]

Haha, I'm glad this video could help your understanding a little 👍 There is a lot going on in the vehicle and it would be fair to say that most drivers don't understand which is fine. But if your driving heavy, modified cruisers than have an understand can provide mechanical sympathy which can go a long way in the long term Cheers, Nathan.

[@GR8Tmate]

Hey Nathan, Hope you are well mate, crikey, still waiting for that van 🤦‍♂️ I really enjoyed watching this one because I have NFI about the 200 series or it’s gearbox HOWEVER I was seriously considering doing the Auto conversion for the 78 Troopy when I start the build. The place that does the conversion uses the LC200 box & the conversion comes with a lockup kit (I’m not sure which one though) & I believe the box is tuned…….all that said I’m just stepping into a new world of pain by the sounds of it 🤦‍♂️ I’m concerned because I’m as old as the hills & not sure if I can learn new tricks 🤣 The last 70 I towed with was my single cab 79 series ute. I towed my Bushtracker with it & never used 5th gear because 4th in the Manual was 1:1. I think they may have been a few gentle down hill runs where I popped it into 5th but was more-or-less just rolling downhill at 100 clicks (which was 99 clicks because I had the speedometer corrected) & this was in the old days before Tojo modified the box the put in the 70 series trucks. Of course the Troopy will be heavily modified, coils, 35’s, Alucab conversion & all my other bits & bobs. Anyway I realise you’re talking 200 specifically but a 78 is a 200 …….. errrr almost 🤪😂 but never the less a loaded Troopy is not exactly what that box was designed for even if it’s the same motor minus a turbo etc. 🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🤨

[@XploringOz]

Tell me about it! This van is taking forever, but it will come.. one day... it will come. At least that's what I keep telling myself 😂 Yeah, decisions, decisions with the auto conversion. I see the benefits but then again, you don't want to be adding any potential problems or spending excessive money on a convenience, when the 70 series gearbox still holds it own overall. I'm very happy with the behaviour of the 200 now. Now that I've learnt its tricks and how to beset use it, it can be used to my advantage 👍

[@trevorclose2861]

Thanks for your efforts in doing these comparisons, great work. I have a thought regarding the recorded engine coolant temps. The radiators generally are designed with over capacity to be able to cope with the various ambient temps that we operate our vehicles in. But the engine coolant operating temps are kept fairly constant by the coolant pump's circulation and the thermostat. I would think that the thermostat reaction to increasing temp could be different with different thermostats. One might be a bit slower than another allowing an increase of indicated temp, while a faster one might keep the temp more constant. Have you any experience of this?

[@XploringOz]

For sure, this is entirely correct. Its not an exact measurement of load, however it still provides a generalisation of what's going on and the loads and pressures placed upon the working parts 👍

[@ianlloyd1182]

Great info and well presented, thanks.

[@1Coolbanana]

Very interesting but what about fuel consumption figures? Also, the differences WITHOUT the lock up kit would be interesting.

[@tomrollings4233]

Nathan .. another good one had to watch twice as the dementia is setting in and i forgot the start by the time i got to the end :) do you still like the lock up kit ? ive been looking into the richards one ..

[@XploringOz]

Haha, well it will be there for a while to come if you ever need the reference 👍 Yes, love the lock up kit. It makes the cruiser a lot more comfortable on the highway and provides much more control over the power output when using the gears manually. Would highly recommend 👍 Cheers

[@BlackbeardRider990]

My LC200 runs on Petrol, completely stock, yet it never shifts to 6th gear! Why is that? is it normal?

[@moto4x4adventure9]

Bloody awesome vid Nathan! When is the new van coming? AOR?

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate 👍 I've been told 3 months, but then again, I've been told a few things along the way... lets see what happens this time 🤞

[@mark111943]

Great video and data. I REALLY wanted to see the fuel consumption though as with an unmodified cruiser this is my predominant reason for wanting to hold that 6th gear at times. Cheers

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. Yes I hear you. Unfortunately I wasn't in a position to conduct a fuel consumption test this time around. Maybe something I'll look into in the future 👍 Keep in mind, that if you're vehicle is under heavy load, I would be leaning to a easier gear, even if it uses more fuel...

[@wheeman999]

With at least no load, my issue falls with the increased in fuel consumption when it sits in 5th at the smallest of hills. I think even on a stock cruiser, it would benefit from a tune with lock-up purely to hold in 6th longer when load increase is minimal. Your other video shows there is a decent decrease in fuel usage doing this. However, if you're towing trying to get it into 6th, even 5th in a hilly terrain, you're probably going to find yourself needing a new tranny in a short period.

[@XploringOz]

Yes, I think I'll need to do a longer and more in depth fuel consumption test between these gears. Even though the 5th gear RPM is higher, the injectors are providing more fuel, not only altering the timing, so this would offset some of those savings. I'll see what I can do when the new van arrives 👍

[@billywatt1427]

What is suggested for towing? I just leave it in drive except when I need to hold a gear like sand beach driving. Lockup kits just lock it in a gear but as you said it puts more strain n heat on engine ect so what is suggested? PS I tow almost 3ton van Genuine question

[@XploringOz]

There are two main points for towing, which I'll go into much more detail in a future video (when my van finally arrives). 1st - Driving in manual gear selection will provide the best gear for the situation, allow you to control the power, temperatures and loads with ease. Keeping in mind that the vehicle won't downshift and attempt to cool down when the EGT's are getting too hot etc. 2nd - Driving under very heavy loads, whether this be very heavy towing loads, high cross/head winds or big hills, 4th gear is by far the best gear to choose, even if this means slowing down to bring the RPM down a little. 4th gear is a direct driver gear, not an overdrive. Direct drive will result in limited moving parts within transmission, saving wear&tear, heat build up, reducing power inefficiency and maximising the strength of the overall component. These reasons might be small, but over a long period can make a difference. Hope this helps a little 👍

[@billywatt1427]

@@XploringOz awesome bro, looking forward to some more vids. Keep up the good work

[@barts1286]

I would have liked to have seen Transmission oil temp comparison, as that is what I am concerned about.

[@XploringOz]

I hear you, however maybe have a look into torque convertor lock up kits. I've done a video on this previously too. The reason I didn't compare the temps in this video is because the lock up kit keeps the temps low, regardless of gear selection. Cheers, Nathan.

[@ausguy4385]

Installed a trans oil cooler... it now keeps temp below 70 at all times. Mostly sitting at 55 to 60. Same sections that need sports 5 to lock up and keep cool now will stay lock up in 6th in both auto and sports 6th... I have no lock up.... I have on back order and see the benefits... BUT wondering how much of lock up in 6th is just the lc200 dropping gears to lower heat to stay in control of heat

[@XploringOz]

Also, just keep in mind that driving in locked 6th puts a lot more stress on the engine. I have found that my EGT's rise significantly when driving in 6th and sometimes 5th, depending on the conditions. Its a bit of a balancing act, trying to keep everything under control 👍

[@ausguy4385]

​@@XploringOz what do you use to select if a gear is too high? I have a ultra gauge no egt as 2012 200

[@XploringOz]

@@ausguy4385 So obviously the temps are a lot higher towing our van, which weighs in about 3.2t. Doesn't take long for all the temps to rise quickly. My most fluctuating temp is the EGT and these can easily exceed 600 degrees quickly up hills without constant attention. Even a small incline, in a high gear (5/6th) will cause them to rise quickly. I generally tow in 4th, this provides higher RPM (faster water circulation / faster air re-circulation through the block / strongest gearbox choice) which brings the EGT's down to a manageable level quickly. If it's flat, there's a tail wind or slight downhill, I'll shift into 5th for comfort. But 4th at 95/100km works just fine with my weights and larger tyre size. Sure it might use a litre or 2 more fuel, but it's worth it to keep the temps under control.

[@paulh71]

My cruiser is stock and has the common drone and vibration through floor and steering wheel issue which Toyota seem unable to fix, at engine rpm’s between 1500 - 2500, so at 100kph in 4th or 5th it’s very uncomfortable driving. Given the cars reluctance to change into 6th I have to say I don’t think much of this particular model. Nathan, your cruiser has quite a few mods, did it suffer from vibration issues before the mods? I’m looking for a solution that doesn’t involve selling the vehicle.

[@XploringOz]

Hmm, I can understand your frustration and your disappointment in the vehicle. I purchase my vehicle from stock and have driven it at various different stages of modificaiotns and haven't experienced anything like that. I would say that something has definitely gone wrong with your model of vehicle, it's just a matter of finding a mechanic who can spend the time to diagnose and then repair it. I must say, I don't often go to Toyota for servicing, they don't often seem interest in anything outside the average/normal service routine. Cheers, Nathan.

[@adamtaniasargent1386]

Nice one Nathan another great Vid.. Yes I would have to agree with you mmmmmm V8

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate 👍 Never get tired of that V8 note from the Manta exhaust 😂

[@peterknox3950]

Good one Nathan GORG JUS here. Was there any change in fuel consumption?

[@XploringOz]

Thanks Peter 👍 So, I must admit I didn't measure fuel consumption on these test, given the very short testing distances. This is definitely I'll look into in a future video, particularly when we have the new van. Great to catch up the other week and hopefully we'll see you around again sometime. All the best, Nathan.

[@smashedhulk8492]

Fantastic work.

[@XploringOz]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@brentmckee5111]

I bought a new 2015 Landcruiser 200 GXL and drove 130,000km - 87,000km of that was towing 3.5T. I did not do any engine mods at all. I kept fuel stats for every tank full of fuel for this vehicle. Then I bought a new 2019 Landcruiser 200 GXL and after towing the same setup for 5,000km decided (stupidly and against my best intuition) to try an engine mod, transmission remap and engine tune chip). Since that time I have towed the same setup and monitored the fuel consumption. The results are these mods and chips are a bloody waste of money. There is absolutely no improvement in fuel efficiency, in some instances the gearbox will not change down on hills resulting in the vehicle labouring up the hill. I now have to select gears manually in some instances on hills. Toyota knows how to build vehicles, leave it to the experts. Not one of the suppliers of these mods will guarantee any improvement in fuel economy or longevity of the vehicle. Ask them for a money back guarantee. You won't get it.

[@terrysmith-xf3jg]

My 200 is locked in 4th gear after a EGR blocked off have been to 2 Toyota shops neither can tell me what wrong and revs at 3000 rpm at 100 -105 ks

[@XploringOz]

Hmm, interesting. So you can't use 5 or 6th gear? This generally comes along with a number of error codes, but I'm guessing there's something strange going on if the Toyota dealerships can't figure it out.

[@kkm98062014]

Does 200 series lock-up clutch engage in 6th gear? or Does 200 series have lock-up clutch?

[@XploringOz]

Yes, the 200 series does have a factory lock up function, however given the load placed on the engine, particularly with a modified cruiser it struggles to hold the lock. A override lock up kit provides adjustability and extra control on this function 👍

[@mightymike9353]

We’ll done and very informative, thanks.

[@XploringOz]

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers

[@mikefoster7085]

Question, how did you manage to retain 6th on the hill test?

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, this is a combination between the transmission tune and the lockup kit. These two systems operate together to allow for higher tolerances and therefore allow 6th to be held for longer periods of time. Cheers.

[@mikefoster7085]

@@XploringOz I understand that, I have the both as well, the hill must not have been too steep then?

[@XploringOz]

@@mikefoster7085 No, not a huge hill, but something that would have definitely resulted in a down shift in standard form

[@mikefoster7085]

@@XploringOz a 2% gradient is enough to put any standard 200 into 5th.

[@stuarth43]

tee hee, towing 3500 kg i can holg 6th gear in my Disco 6 speed 2.7 and 8th cog in my d4 sdv6, ZF see tee hee GREAT VID thanks but having an HG Licence I often downshift manually, i do not load the engine

[@liamneilson7521]

wait I have 6 gears in my lc 200?

[@XploringOz]

Haha, apparently 🤣

[@DestroyerOfLiberals]

Wait, Australia has roads? Seriously though, this video made in Germany would not be the same.

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

I dropped 4.3diff gears ⚙️ in. Problem fix

[@XploringOz]

That would make a big difference and something that I seriously considered at one point. Very expensive though 💰 Cheers, Nathan.

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

@XploringOz cost me 2k for the gears ⚙️ from the USA 🇺🇸 and 4hr in the shed to do front and rear There dropped in. I would go 4.88 If I was to do it again.

[@XploringOz]

@@madmantovalhalla6971 That's a bit cheaper than I though it would end up costing. Is that 2K AUD or USD? Are you running 35's on yours? I've heard the 4.3 are good for 33" rubber, but the 4.88 for the 35"s.

[@madmantovalhalla6971]

@XploringOz 2k US I'm running 33s with 4.3 If you run 35s with 4.3 it's standard gears ⚙️ So 4.3 6th at 100 I'm at 1600-1700 rpm. With 4.88 with and 33 you will be at 1900-2000rpm at 100. 35 you will be at 1700-1800 at 100. If your putting lockers in do it to at the same time. I did my locker then did the diff gear later. If you want I can do you a exchange package 📦 with lockets $7700 or just gears for $3500 + post 📫

[@XploringOz]

@@madmantovalhalla6971 Hmm, some food for thought there 🤔 I'm not in a position to purchase now, but I'll definitely keep these options in mind. Cheers.

[@pen1910]

great stuff

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate 👍

[@RedAppleApe]

i wish sometimes my manual 200 would had a 6th gear….

[@XploringOz]

Maybe, but I do think it's overrated 🤷‍♂️

[@roocrew86]

This will never be an issue for me as I will never be able to afford a 200

[@XploringOz]

I hear you. Currently health and world positions have driven the price and demand for these vehicles into an over inflated position that make it much harder... I was very lucky buying before COVID and other political factors

[@ausguy4385]

But it's designed for 31" not 33"+ tires...

[@XploringOz]

True and this is why modified and loaded cruisers struggle with the 6th gear so much. Regardless of which tyre size, it's good to be aware of why the gearbox behaves as it does 👍

[@ausguy4385]

Having fitted 33".... I know think it was designed for them... since the speedo on them is perfect once fitted. Car and gps speed 1:1

[@stevegame8221]

I found on mine as soon as your on the highway put it in S6 and it drops to 6th as soon as you hit 105. My Speedo is out by 7km. 107 is 100 on the gps. Even towing my 2.5t camper it’ll go into 6th.

[@ausguy4385]

What size tires? I have 31" and never had this happen once. 33" for example throws out the designed cruise speed of engine/gearbox.

[@stevegame8221]

Stock

[@stevegame8221]

18 rims VX

[@XploringOz]

Interesting, what year is know 200 series? There were some software changes made along the way too and these can effect these changes 👍

[@georgekelagis647]

thats why these cars a way overatted and garbage out of the factory ! waste of money

[@XploringOz]

Definitely a matter of personal opinion there... I guess there's another reason that Toyota are one of the largest and most reliable vehicle manufactures the in globe?

[@truckingjamaicans5045]

Better than anything you drive for off roading

[@davidsheppard7918]

Shitbox Toyota design

[@truckingjamaicans5045]

Like the car you drive?😂😂😂😂😂