WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUPER LATE MODEL AND A NASCAR LATE MODEL STOCK? Offset vs Perimeter

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

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[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

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[@terrybrown9206]

Thanks Landon, good information

[@dennisdelaney3596]

Up here in Wisconsin. Lots of guys are running a Lefthander Chassis. Which is the offset Chassis in the Limited late model and Super. Actually alot of tracks up here have re named the LL model to the Pro Late model and Super late model. Thanks for the info.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no problem man! thanks for watching 🤙🏻

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Iv looked up stuff about how to fix things on race car or work on them and couldn’t find anything. I think this channel would really grow if there were more tutorial vids on how to do certain things pertaining to a race car! Keep up the good work!!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

I plan on doing more videos similar to just that! I agree there is a lack of it out there. Thanks for watching!

[@saegerdil]

Just discovered the channel and I love it! Just recently started getting into asphalt late model racing and it’s cool to see the behind the scenes of the racing you guys do!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

hell yeah man thanks for tuning in! Only been at this a little less than a year so excited to keep growing it!

[@GLW-1O31]

Nicely done, very clear, concise and informative. Thank you. I appreciate the work you put into the channel and into your career. Keep moving forward with speed....

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

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[@bluegrassboy2448]

Glad you put this together! I've always wanted to know the difference between the two, but now I love local racing better now that I understand it better. What are the advantages and disadvantages with both? Is there anything set-up wise that carries over from one to the other, or are they two different schools of thought when it comes to suspension geometry?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

heck yeah glad I could help!

[@trevorarens7143]

This is great info!!!! Also, what size tires do the LMS and the Pro/Supers run???

[@nathenjordan4913]

The pro late model 3 link setup they are still considered trailing arms. That's what we run up here in Indiana. They're all pretty much super late models here besides being on an 8 inch slick instead of a 10 inch slick.

[@MikeDuryea32]

New subscriber here. Been working on SLM, PLM, Sportsman, & Arca Menard Pro Series West cars since '87 and spotting since '01. I like your channel and this video is right on the money. Great job and good luck Saturday!!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

bad ass dude thanks for watching! Appreciate the support 🤘🏻

[@CrewGuyPJ]

Great video, you couldnt have done any better. In the super with a built vs a crate, some series do give a weight break to the crate lates and if done correctly, a crate can be every bit as good as a built late. As far as rear ends, the truck arm rear acts as a lever, from the front mount on the truck arms to the track bar. Forward bite is affected by which hole you mount the truck arms in..low, middle or high. That is best for a bigger track/ one with more sweeping corners. The center of the turn speed is higher and the drivers roll back into the throttle. At a smaller track / tight radius corners, the 3rd link allows more pinion angle ( input yoke of the rear end hangs down by a couple degrees) allowing greater bite by the rear tires because of the needed quicker application of the throttle, as mid corner speed is much lower. We could also talk roll centers and castor as well, but I think yall get the idea lol And btw, congrats on 10K subs!!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Thanks PJ! I understand truck arms and how they work/operate as that is what i’ve always ran and worked on, but the 3-link stuff is different for me completely. Great info thank you 🤘🏻

[@jamieday6602]

Hopefully you can get some sponsors for each of your videos! You definitely deserve it over someone sitting behind a desk covering news!

[@HigherBracket]

Great video. I just bought a pro car and plan on documenting the next 3 races. Your channel has put an awesome light on late model racing.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Heck yeah 100% do it!!

[@lloydlawson6876]

Good vid. What is the feel or characteristics between the 3 link suspension and the truck arm?

[@JRDmotorsports]

Congrats on the 10,000 subscribers! Awesome content pays off!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Thanks dude! Y’all keep at it, i’ve been enjoying your raceday videos!

[@JRDmotorsports]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing thanks, means a lot! We’re going to work on adding in additional content into the mix as well and bringing back our shop videos. Your work really inspires us to want to do more, keep it up!

[@LgnSknks541]

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[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

we gonna do it!

[@LgnSknks541]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing You did it. 10k today. Hell yeah! Keep grinding man.

[@leejohnson7293]

Awesome video Landon! I've always wondered what the difference was between the 3. LM, Pro, and Super. I grew up like a mile from Oxford Plains speedway in Maine, and practically lived there during the summer, and they raced what was called Late models back then. Not sure if it is or was the same thing as you race now here. Now they race all three I think. It may have been called the Sportsman division at one point early on. Thanks for the clarification!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

No problem Lee! i’d have to look at the rules to see if they were racing perimeter chassis or not!

[@edwardlee6463]

Thank you for a great video! I thought I knew the difference in these car types, but I didn't. I have a better handle on it now. I looked up the different engine types you mentioned, and my gosh, NASCAR needs to keep the rules such that a guy can afford to race. Car counts are down many places, and no wonder if the engine you need is more than 14K!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

It has ups and downs, before long they will introudce a cost saving initiative that will last several years, then people will figure out ways to make it more expensive again

[@unsupervised_kid]

Yo! Congrats on 10k man ive watched for a while and i love the videos i watched at school during social studys (because i hated my teacher in that class) he always said its ridiculous and i didnt care what he thought because the videos made time go by faster thanks for putting out great videos and keep up the good work my guy!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

oh man don’t get in trouble out there lol

[@brendanlanglois2865]

Hoping to get back into late model racing in the near future so I appreciate the info! Been watching a lot of your videos trying to learn as much as I can before I look at buying a car. The tracks/series I want to race up here in Canada have a bunch of engine options and allow straight rail and perimeter chassis so I'm definitely going to be looking for a straight rail car

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

heck yeah dude keep digging! you can find straight rail cars at good prices right now!

[@robsalisbury2550]

Excellent content, good luck in the remainder of the season. Very nice looking cars too.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Thanks Rob🤘🏻

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[@poss4757]

Thanks for posting, I did know a few differences, but now I know more, keep up the hard work.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

yessir thank you!

[@mft2323]

Very good vlog......when we raced we always built our motors so when they went to 602 and 604...i had been out of the game for a while and when someone asked me if we were running a 604 i would say no it's a 362 or what ever built motor size at the time.. i looked like and idiot....great vlog and i still enjoy watching carolina sportsmen wish i lived closer. Good luck this weekend

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

man the crates have even worked themselves out now unfortunately, thanks for watching and I appreciate the support 🤘🏻

[@jozimoto]

Awesomeness! Thanks for the education! More like this would be great!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

heck yeah no problem!

[@devs3one3]

Cool little info vid bud, Lookin forward to my merch delivery😎

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

LETS GO DEVS🤘🏻

[@donniehelmly4920]

Is there left side weight rules on both? And if so. What are they. And is that before and after the race,?

[@jaimesonritter3375]

Congrats on the 10k!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

LETS GOOO

[@kmick612]

good stuff, Landon..thanks!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

yessir thanks for watching keith 🤘🏻

[@sethgaalswyk891]

It’s crazy to know out west we only have pro latemodels (602) and super latemodels (hammner or 9:1 motors). I always though the east coast only had those two types of latemodels aswell, but what do you find more enjoyable, latemodel stock or Pro lates?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

i’ve grown up racing late model stocks! i’ve only tested pro late models so far but my heart will always lie with LMSC. Excited to race my pro car some though!

[@christianAlston806]

So what would be better to get into nascar with SLM and LMS I’m trying to get into nascar or atleast become a pro late model driver so I can make money

[@rickyavner]

What's the difference between the LMSC and the Limited LMSC?

[@stevejones9435]

With car counts dwindling across the country in various late-model divisions, why the need for late-model, liimited, and the pro division? Could any weight be added to a super in order for it to run with the pro latel models? Can an offset chassis car run in a division with those using a perimeter chassis? Great channel! Stumbled across it last week.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

offset chassis will always be at an advantage if you race them against perimeter cars because they are offset. There are divisions that combine pro and super late model already! and the late model stock stuff is very regional so it doesn’t really hurt the overall count of them if there are offset divisions running!

[@markmashburn8672]

Good explanation. Thankyou. Two questions. Are late models dry or wet sump? Also, can you explain the difference between late and limited models.

[@CrewGuyPJ]

While there are a few classes of 'sportsman lates" that still allow wet sump ( cost saving) most all lates now are dry sump.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

most dry! and limited late models in the south east (or charger) are the same chassis as late model stock, but run crate engines and sometimes have rulesets geared to save money on shocks, springs, etc. They often race on scuff tires to save money as well

[@andyking9673]

What does a LMSC have to weigh now? When we started racing at Nashville it was 3200 pounds.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

LMSC usually 3100 with 1400 right side!

[@bmc1717]

Yes just notice almost 10000!!!..congratulations!!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

LETS GO

[@ronnieevans2278]

Any more on the dash car you went to look at Sure would be good to see that machine flying around HMS

[@bop351]

Good video, one question, what is the difference between the Late model stock and the Limited late model you have also run ?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

limited is the same chassis, but crate motors and scuff tires!

[@bop351]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing Cheers mate, thanks. Watching from Australia so we don't get this sort of racing here. I wish we did, looks like fun !

[@Fandom_Junkie]

I watched your video about the costs of running a late model before watching this one, and let me say it's a lot more expensive than I thought it was (and may or may not have crushed my hopes and dreams lol). I don't understand how you can run both late models with the operating costs.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Very carefully! lol, I have great sponsors that help me along the way

[@dalecaswell827]

Is the pro/super late a port city chassis?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no sir it is a GARC from 2012

[@dalecaswell827]

Ok thank you.

[@hauptmann6]

I didn't know you guys had to run 3 or 4 speeds in the supers. In the midwest, the outlaw supers and even template sportsman cars run direct drive transmissions. (Bert, Brynn, Falcon)

[@SLMdirtfan]

Thanks so much for this video! Been wanting an in-depth look like this for awhile now! Keep up the great work and content!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no problem dude thank you for watching!

[@SLMdirtfan]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing here in the South East, are Limited Late Models pretty much perimeter chassis as well? Just more "Economical" rule packages compared to the late mode stocks? I know you touched on that a little bit in the video about cost to race.

[@jacobpollan858]

Awesome video as always. Appreciate the dumbed down version haha

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

lol no problem dude thanks for the support!

[@jacobpollan858]

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[@NCPilot]

I'm a little late to this, but do the LMS and SLM use the same body panels? Because I've watched a couple of LMS & SLM races and they seem to use the same body panels even though they have different chassis underneath.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

different bodies! they look similar but have different dimensions and measurements!

[@Florida_DD]

Are the super/pro lates more money to race than the stocks? Also when will you get in the super/pro late

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no not necesarilly any more or less expensive! I plan on running it at wilkesboro if it survives august 6th

[@Florida_DD]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing oh sweet very excited thankyou for replying so fast. You deserve so much more recognition on here and on the track

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

@@Florida_DD I appreciate that dude! We are gaining momentum!

[@Florida_DD]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing for sure dawg

[@richardshook8645]

You talked about the Harrington engine, does Chevy not run Chevy, Ford/Ford, Toyota/Toyota, or there all the same? Thanks for the video!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

There are Chevy and ford crate motors, but the Enforcer engine reigns supreme. No obligations from manufacturers to run a certain engine with said body

[@richardshook8645]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing Thanks for the info, good luck at Hickory this week!

[@tammyhightower6551]

What size tires do the late model stocks run ?

[@mattgerald2281]

With the pro late model and the frame railings being off set and The car being more custom, Are the front arms and uprights spec’d by the series?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no but the front suspension is much simpler on the pro cars compared to lmsc!

[@jasongardner3206]

This may have already been answered. But is there a minimum weight difference between the Pro Late Model and Super Late Model?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

each series has different rules! i ran my pro late model in carolina pro series this year with a min weight of 2750. My late model stock had to weigh 3100!

[@wilsonbeddingfield4860]

I have seen Shane Huffman run at Hickory!

[@j_badach_xvi6261]

Would you ever consider running your SLM in the northeast? We have a touring series called the pro all star series. Very competitive division and I’d love to see you race up here

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

i’ve watched a good many PASS races! I don’t think my car is competitive enough with a crate motor but maybe in the figure if I had the money!

[@60nascar]

Is LFR still making late model cars

[@nrb8780]

Don’t supers normally run spoilers at 90° too?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

the bodies are different on them yes!

[@LilDadyProductions]

I have been wondering the difference also! Nice video. That hair is getting wild haha

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

bro I NEEEED a cut 😂😂

[@alexanderw8505]

Does an offset chassis tend to have more oversteer than a perimeter with being more weight leaned to the left side from the roll cage?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

they usually drive easier, turn better, etc. You have to really wrestle Late model stocks vs a pro late in my experience

[@acrock21]

so if you get flat into the wall will the side of the pro latemodel crush more? ie which car is more durable from a side impact?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

not exactly, The pro car has nerf bars on the right side that would take most of the blow, but both would be damaged

[@acrock21]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing interesting! thanks for the reply, good luck to you, many wins !!! =P

[@johnleedisher8820]

been watching ur channel for awhile amazing content i’m 15 and would love to make it to nascar one day every kids dream obviously but would you tent to make more money in the supers or stock?

[@jesschambers6551]

Racers don't race to make money, they race to race. You will be lucky to even come close to breaking even without decent sponsorship, and then it's still a stretch. Landon has a video about the costs of racing at his level. I suggest watching that video and seeing what the costs really are. But biggest thing is, learn all you can, have a great work ethic, and don't give up! Not everyone makes it to the Cup Series, but there are thousands of great drivers racing every weekend around the country

[@JRDmotorsports]

@@jesschambers6551 very well said! There’s an old saying about what’s the fastest way to become a millionaire… start with 2 million and go racing 😂 It’s the passion and constant push for that “one moment” that makes all the time and money worth it!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

what Jess said! thanks for watching dude 🤘🏻

[@Zach_sisk_racing]

Great vid just like always

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

thank you!

[@williamford9564]

New subscriber and a follower of your videos yesterday. You mentioned in another comment the offset cars are easier to steer and handle. Is there a cost, safety or other reason that NASCAR requires a perimeter roll cage?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no reason other than that’s the style racecar we have always had in nascar!

[@littlemuffin943]

so i have a question how come a ACT car can run in late model or super late model? we have guys up here in NH that run their ACT car in all 3 series.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

ACT far wouldn’t be legal in late model stock, they are kind of a weird hybrid between the two cars but i’m not positive on the inner workings of that series!

[@jasonritchie3238]

Awesome video thanks

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no problem!

[@caseyluecke1747]

How's the pit box coming along

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Ill have an update video coming friday!

[@R4D14NT72]

Is there a Horsepower limit between the Super Late Model and Late model?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no limit, but the late model stock car with an enforcer engine puts out around 500ish, while the super late model has a built motor that puts out around 600! Pro late models run crate motors that vary from 350-400hp

[@Mountain_man71]

I've always wanted to know this. I'm in the north east (Maine). You're knowledge is great. Ty for the video. Great job Landon! Maybe if you get 10k subs do some merch giveaway.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

thanks Ted! I plan on doing something big for you guys!

[@shiftlite5530]

10k baby!!!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

let’s go!

[@aaronallison4336]

Which chassis is theoretically faster with same HP / weight?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

offset chassis would be because it’s offset

[@tucksmith8300]

Do y’all run Grand stocks??

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

I have no idea what that is!

[@tucksmith8300]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing it’s a division under the Late Models and I didn’t if y’all ran those in the Carolina’s but they are run up here in Virginia

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

@@tucksmith8300 I’m sure we have something similar

[@jaimesonritter3375]

Awesome video!!!!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

thank you!

[@Tiptoetherat]

Road race rat here. Love what you do, new sub ;-)

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

awesome thanks for tuning in!

[@poss4757]

The Harrington enforcer engine do you know why it is named that?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

because Harrington racing engines designed it, not sure why the “enforcer” was the title given

[@poss4757]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing my mother's madina name is Harrington I was just curious, going to Google them. As far as enforcer it's just a cool word sounds good i think? Lol Thank you so much

[@m2sc4rvideos34]

when is the pro late model going to run?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

August 6th

[@m2sc4rvideos34]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing are you going to drive it or someone else?

[@levilandis1607]

Aren’t LMSC a little heavier too?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

a lot heavier! offset cars are usually around 2700-2800lbs while LMSC cars are roughly 3100!

[@nathan1sixteen]

That NASCAR Late Model Stock is 😍

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

yes it is!!

[@nickknickerbocker6415]

🚖 How much Horsepower Dose a Pro SUPER Late-model have 💫

[@Chad-sp4hq]

The weight. Cup cars aren't designed to run on 1/4 mile or half miles though banking helps. Cup cars are designed for momentum. Your supers would beat the shit out of.cup cars on a 1/4 miler

[@grahamhuffmanracing]

have you ever driven any type of dirt car?

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

never a dirt car built for dirt no, minus go karts when i was young!

[@nickknickerbocker6415]

❓️ How much does a " SUPER " Late-model Motor Cost❓️

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

upwards of $20k

[@s.w.e.racing3704]

Mine runs a 602. And got smoked in supper lates. Mine is a limited late/ stock late with rack.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

Yeah dude you can’t be racing that against super late models!

[@s.w.e.racing3704]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing well of I had more time to work the setup I could. They were running 14.6 in the mean. That car with 602 has ran 14.3s but it was last minute deal we put together for FFR. to honor them. Had so many issues from over heating. Brake problems. Carb loading up. Spent 1070 on set of tires plus 200 entry fees and fuel. Ended up $170 in the hole and same damage to fix. Lol more content for the channel lmfao

[@s.w.e.racing3704]

We should join up and I can promote you on my channel and like wise like I do with FFR. They actually sponsor my street stock $25 for heat race win and $50 for every maen event win. But to be honest I sponsor them to and always give back more than I take!!! Just the way I am!!! Hit me up if you want to work something out. Don't need to be money trade for exposure work good for me. I want us all to do big things on KZbin bro.

[@Galo1908mg]

I love your vidz

[@Dustinscustoms]

I needed to know

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

sweet

[@tgarren]

There are 3 link lmsc out there also but they seem to have dropped out of popularity.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

I think they were around way back when goodys dash was still rockin, because all of dads dash cars are 3 link

[@robertnussberger6449]

I wish someone made a model car late model

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

i don’t think there are any molds out there!

[@upptowne]

lets talk about the motors please

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

I can do that!

[@bmc1717]

I want a shirt

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

windshielddeep.shop!

[@stephenwebb412]

Get that super together come to Florida and run the snowball at five flags

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

i’d be bringing a knife to a gun fight

[@stephenwebb412]

Yeah their is some big money that goes to that event

[@OldguyChris]

Sounds like a South car...five flags car

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

my pro is a GARC from 2012!

[@OldguyChris]

@@LandonHuffmanRacing the pro car won't work

[@OldguyChris]

It's only the biggest late model.race of the year....prestigious

[@caseyluecke1747]

And white claw bro really lmao I'd rather see you with a chic ultra.

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

hey man sometimes we drink bud heavy and sometimes we drink claws lol

[@michaeldeppa8169]

Great video thanks!

[@LandonHuffmanRacing]

no problem!