Language Differences Between TNG and Star Trek Picard

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[@jankovalik2913]

It's bad when your star trek is criticized by 30 years old star trek.

[@yorneustein7851]

Can it be that we kinda fail the test ... very hard ... very much ... too an unbelievable amount ... almost as hard as Star Fleet failed at wolf 359

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@@yorneustein7851 : You're using the name _Star Trek_ that you didn't make up yourself, that existed and produced a lot of material of its own for a long time before you came along. So YES, you must qualify it, yes, that's right. ...FAIL, badly! Why don't you just make up your own original whatever and change-up the crap out of that, what, no? Then you must qualify it, YES! **shoves mop into Yor Neustein's flipper-fin** Now swab the deck instead of pooping on it, poopdeck!

[@danielfietkau733]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 I don't get your point. It probably gets lost in translation.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 what?

[@rockerboyrage1609]

It's fake trek

[@Cartoonman154]

This is what happens when you hire non Star Trek influenced writers that cater to non Star Trek fans.

[@quuaaarrrk8056]

And then expect ST fans to be the main persons to pay for that subscribtion.

[@ahmataevo]

We need a Saw sequel produced and directed by Mel Brooks.

[@ahmataevo]

And a romantic comedy directed by Paul Verhoeven.

[@jeremyjohnson8844]

"writers"

[@Cartoonman154]

@@jeremyjohnson8844 Yep

[@AlMcpherson79]

Why the robots on mars revolted: They were sick of the swearing.

[@aurex8937]

They were like the Demolition Man fine machine.

[@tehwin89]

@@aurex8937 Demolition man is better star trek than STP

[@Thathumanoverthere1701]

@@tehwin89 ok, this made me laugh. Thank you.

[@josi4749]

I still cannot get over the fact that they have a character *VAPING* in Star Trek. Like....

[@drd6416]

If you look closer she's smoking some kind of weed like thing, not a vape.

[@CraftyChan]

@@drd6416 Vape is a vaporizer, you can smoke weed with a vape. She is vaping.

[@joshuanorris5860]

@@drd6416 that is called a vape my friend lol

[@joshuanorris5860]

And yes i thought it fucking rediculous too lmao Wowww.....

[@Draknfyre]

Not just that, but the fact that she was a drug addict? Or how there are places on Earth that look like a dystopian shithole? The entire franchise established how much of a paradise Earth is in the future. No hunger, no real crime, everything is provided for a comfortable life. How perfect Earth is was even used as a plot point in late DS9 episodes. And now in Picard we've got FEDERATION OFFICERS as drug addicts, and Earth as depicted by someone who really wants to be writing Star Wars movies.

[@danielterrell2191]

"Put the phaser in his mouth and pulled the trigger" Did the writers forget that phasers don't shoot bullets?

[@KasumiKenshirou]

"Forget"? Did they know it in the first place? They probably saw somebody do it on some other TV show or movie and just put it into their Star Trek show without even considering if it made any sense or not.

[@vaska00762]

I forget which, but in one DS9 episode, O'Brien gets a phaser, sets it to maximum and puts it underneath his chin ready to commit suicide. In the Enterprise episode, Terra Prime, Ensign Massaro is a Terra Prime informant who betrays his own captain, endangering his life. Massaro confronts Archer and puts the phase pistol up to his temple and fires. I do believe that there's a "trigger button" on various phasers and disruptors, but I must say that most suicide by phaser (or otherwise) doesn't involve the mouth.

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

​@@vaska00762 It was the episode "Hard Time", when he had been put in a virtual prison. To him it felt like he'd been in prison for twenty years, kind of like Picard's implanted memories in "Inner Light".

[@Knightfang1]

Depends on the model and setting of the phaser. We have seen both phasers and disrupters fire both beams and pulses. And we have also seen phasers cause bleeding wounds, most notably in ST VI when the Klingon chancellor was assassinated

[@Blox117]

We also call SSDs "solid state drives" even though there is no 'drive' like there is in a hard drive Sometimes terminology stays even though the tech itself is long deprecated

[@MedalionDS9]

30 years later they regress to speak like 21st century average person off the street

[@Brando64]

I think _that's_ the thing that annoys me the most!

[@Funaru]

The writers just aren't intellectuals and artists anymore, they may have college degrees, but they certainly aren't well-read and don't have the professional standards of the past. To them, it's not a craft or an art, it's a means to express their political views, their grievances and emotional impulses.

[@Eternal_Tech]

I am not sure what street you are referring to, but most people even now do not speak with that many expletives.

[@JAnx01]

Tribesmen are responsible for the decline of our society. They're solely responsible for the recent social unrest driven by hoaxes and misrepresentations of statistics, spread by the media which they own. Oh and the Picard showrunners happen to belong to the same tribe, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[@Mark-rv6ht]

@@JAnx01 This channel owner is Jewish lol.

[@rafetizer]

Aw man, that scene with Kirk and Spock discussing profanity on the bus is gold.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

OG Star Trek predicated the low degenerate wanna-be Star Trek, aka Picard.

[@stevencoardvenice]

I laughed too.

[@Eternal_Tech]

The women in _Star Trek: Picard_ seem so... rough. However, in classic Trek, most of the women were strong. It seems Kurtzman does not understand the difference.

[@mharbaugh]

Every female main character in STP is evil. Soji was prepared to kill all organic life in the galaxy, Agnus murdered Bruce Maddox, Raffi is a hate-filled, self-loathing alcoholic, 7 of 9 is a serial killer, the Romulan spies are murderers...

[@StarryStarryNocturne]

@@mharbaugh Poor VOY 7... what they turned her into in Picard. Captain Janeway would've given Picard's 7 such a stern tongue-lashing filled with as much pain-filled anger and disappointment in her that would've made her "moral compass" talk with Tuvok look like a gentle slap on the wrist in comparison.

[@rixille]

This is what the current interpretation of female empowerment is: Insufferable women who hate themselves and hate everything else, and who can only show authority or "virtue" by acting masculine and with a level of authority that is condescending to others, mixed with temper tantrums.

[@blusafe1]

@@mharbaugh Troi gave good counseling, and Picard's Romulan attendant were good, strong female characters - albeit very minor supporting cast.

[@tuquoque7322]

Of course, he only knows how women are from the lashings he receives.

[@sokoTV2]

Patrick Stewart felt disillusioned with the state of the world, and he took it out on the hopeful future of star trek.

[@MajorGrin]

probably the saddest part about STP is that it made me lose respect for Patrick . imagine if Mark Hamil said it was his own idea to have Luke be humiliated across that whole movie . at least he openly disliked that direction . Patrick on the other hand seemed to enjoy humiliating his own character as well as destroying the world of star trek

[@quuaaarrrk8056]

@@MajorGrin This is exactly why I haven’t watched STP. To not lose my respect for a person, who really was a childhood hero. It was bad enough seeing on your channel, I really couldn’t survive all that Kurzman Trek Picard.

[@MrHunterseeker]

@@MajorGrin Everyone involved in these new shows that was on the old shows should be boycotted/blackballed by the community. From the shows I have seen, this would include Brent Spiner, Jeri Ryan, Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes and Mirina (Troi), because they all went to the conventions, every single year all over the US. They have heard countless fans get up and tell them stories about how all the old Treks saved their lives or helped them through tough times. To be a part of these new Trek shows after seeing the motivation behind them- to attack the fan base because the creators believe the fanbase to be all straight white male Trump and Brexit supporters. That should show everyone the type of people these actors are. They know who the real fans are. They know that alienating the fans will do nothing but maybe destroy a franchise.

[@Jackinthenoir]

I think some of it is our own fault. We have loved Sir Stewart for so long, and with such fervor, that we overlooked a very simple fact: Sir Patrick Stewart PORTRAYED Jean-Luc Picard, he is not ACTUALLY Jean-Luc Picard. While the man should have given more respect to a character he should intimately understand, we can't fault him for wanting to create a form of art that is not the same art that we grew up appreciating. I had been so hesitant to watch ST:P from the reviews and commentaries given by other people; this video cemented it for me. I thank you for that, @Major Grin, since you have always put out quality work.

[@sokoTV2]

@@MrHunterseeker I wouldn't blame the actors who were tangentially involved in the show's production. They're just doing their job, and they likely didn't realize or think about how non-trek the show really was. I wouldn't even put too much blame on Frakes, who directed an episode. Our ire should only be aimed at Stewart, Kurtzman, the writers, and the executives at CBS. They are the ones who made these decisions and they are the ones who shall bare the cross of it.

[@Maxjoker98]

"Brilliantly written" and Kurtzman don't belong in the same sentence.

[@quuaaarrrk8056]

When you mean it 100% sarcastic, it fits quite well.

[@jogymogy3691]

Kurtzman doesn't even belong in my universe.

[@cerberus9704]

The fact that Kurtzman can still live without being sad from all this hate is astonishing.

[@hansellius]

I dunno. I've been working on a pitch for my new TV show, "Alex Kurtzman and the Brilliantly Written Suicide Note".

[@TankdozerCavalry]

YOU JUST PUT THEM IN ONE SENTENCE!

[@NeonVisual]

Klutzman doesn't seem to understand the evolution of language, and that people in the future would seem to not quite get what 21st century people talk about in the same way as 19th century people would sound a little off to us. BUT LOOK EXPLOSIONS AND EXPLETIVES WAAAAHH!

[@Rockmonanov]

Nat20 Damage or even just how to write a basic story that isn’t littered with plot holes and contradictions.

[@Cartoonman154]

@Nat20 Damage Kurtzman doesn't understand writing

[@alcoholandfun243]

A little off? Have you read Dickens? You have to re-read every 3rd sentence just to understand 😂 Yes, the writers are idiots.

[@aurex8937]

Explosions and Expletives is genius.

[@newdefsys]

Ya cant peddle social justice with an evolved language.

[@snake56]

Going ass deep where no one has gone before.

[@Halo_Legend]

Stellar comment

[@burgertim7878]

You got that fucking right.

[@2490debrick]

McKellens said that once or twice to Stewart lol...

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

Hipsters, drunks, legolas with a sword. It has everything but Star trek

[@TheShoguneagle]

Not mention mention serial killers, torturers, sadists, soulless bureaucrats, and human punching bags. Everything a Kurtzman show is made of.

[@deathhexxxgaming3431]

Holy shit... it really is just dollar store Legolas... with a sword...

[@OldGuitarMan]

This is incredibly depressing. It’s not just Star Trek, but an entire cultural decay.

[@Curly_Horse]

Almost the decay of western civilisation.

[@AmigaWolf]

Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard may have the name Star Trek, but it is not Star Trek. Star Trek: The Original Series (1966), and Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987), and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993), and Star Trek: Voyager (1995), and even Star Trek: Enterprise (2001), were all real a Star Trek series, not this thing they call Discovery and Picard.

[@cyberpunk11x]

Morale decay too..

[@Adrian2140]

God I hate this 'cultural decay' trope so much. No it's not decay, it was simply Roddenberry that had a certain vision and made the people producing the shows follow it. He died and so the series went on to be written by talent-less hacks that end up in their position thanks to their social class and circles. It's going on in all areas of art which is why the Indie scene is so large now. To say we 'decayed' not only you're giving said hacks too much power but also ignoring and insulting the indie artists...

[@StarryStarryNocturne]

Apparently that's just being relevant to current generation attitudes and tastes. Superman must wear dulled, darkened colors, have a Peter Parker-esque crisis of identity and endanger people more than actually help them. Luke Skywalker must grow to be a defeated crotchety, embittered, old man. And Star Trek must take place in a dystopia, where the worst of mankind never learns and still festers even centuries into the future, rather than in a promising utopia, where mankind's finally learned and pursued it's potential for greatness as a unified race. It's hip and totally relatable to be hopelessly depressed and mopey these days, I guess. Everything else is just the product of out-dated, un-hip "Boomer" thinking apparently. 🤷‍♀️

[@matthewvanburen6415]

**Gene Roddenberry** Look at how they massacred my boy!

[@georgemelitsis2607]

Very good!

[@milliondollarmistake]

too be fair gene hating anything star trek related that wasn't created completely by him happened all the time

[@animateddepression]

I hope GR’s ashes turn out to be the real cause of global warming destruction....

[@jeomaiseenpannenkoek6379]

We don't want his mother to see him like this .

[@saberiandream316]

@@animateddepression Remember the man was cremated and not buried so that people wouldn't piss on his grave. That has been said about him.

[@tomkerruish2982]

I still remember reading, decades ago, that Gene specifically forbade scriptwriters using modern slang, giving "Right on!" as an example. (It was likely in The Making of Star Trek, although possibly it was in The World of Star Trek.) Even the rather lackluster episode "The Way to Eden" used "future" slang. People will not be using present-day slang centuries from now, except for effect, like Tuvok did on VOY when he used the term "hot rod" when speaking to Paris, and you could hear the quote marks as he said it.

[@bS0up]

Yet he was still fine portraying women as being less than men, to the point where females could not be Star Fleet captains. Christ, the final episode of the original series has a woman switch bodies with Kirk in order to take over the Enterprise in what is considered to be one of the worst episodes of the franchise, based on a story by Roddenberry. Who cares about 21st century language in Picard when 20th century misogyny was alive and well in the original series?

[@Jupiter__001_]

@@bS0up Who says that male dominance in the military will not return in the future? It is very Whiggish of you to assume that history is an inexorable progress toward liberalism.

[@giin97]

@@bS0up there's only so much suspension of disbelief an audience is willing to accept. TOS had the first televised interracial kiss; the only reason they got away with it was because of "mind control." You seem to be judging a 50 year old show by your modern morals. There are very few things you could do that would be more meaningless than that. Even a work 5-10 years old, there would be no value in comparing with modern sensibilities.

[@bS0up]

@@beefar0ni you misunderstand, I'm not "cranky" about TOS at all, still go back and watch it frequently. I'm just aware that the problematic elements of it are more a product of its time. Just pointing out how its silly to praise Roddenberry for being against the use of modern slang while still portraying women in a very '60s manner. It's like he felt language would change before other meaningful social progress, which is kinda silly in hindsight.

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

@@bS0up Well, it's still okay to praise him refusing to use it. It dates very quickly and doesn't feel right in a "future" setting. Much like the pervasive language of STP doesn't feel right in the Star Trek setting: it shouldn't belong in the world being created.

[@jennylongcor5957]

STP did nothing other than disgrace & debase centuries of Trek history & canon. I read people say 'I'm tired of hearing about Roddenberry's vision' just makes me sick. Trek IS Roddenberry. Hopeful, optimistic & Faith in humanity. To erase that, is destroying & earasing Trek. If people want a story like this, create thier own characters & vision for a franchise - don't continue to destroy the love of Trek

[@dandeliondown7920]

Well said, Jenny Longcor.

[@SprocketList]

I stopped using a Facebook Film & TV discussion forum after the first f-bomb was used in Discovery. People were applauding it because they found traditional Trek to be “too safe and unrealistic” due to its lack of expletives. I was bewildered. They claim the reason there was no swearing was due to broadcasting restrictions. I disagree. Not to mention it’s always been a family show!

[@Cuthalu]

@@SprocketList It really seems that masses want to destroy all what is different in a positive way. We already have thousands of series and movies that aren't "too safe and unrealistic". Why should Star Trek be like that? A dosage of "unrealistic" utopia is beneficial for everyone; to show what could be instead of what is. I don't think all ST shows need to be 100 % family friendly but even with more adult themes and tones it could be done so much better than what we have now - modern Trek is juvenile and regressive.

[@jeremyjohnson8844]

Bravo, well said. Couldn't agree more.

[@SprocketList]

Cuthalu - juvenile and regressive is a great way to describe it. Goodness knows we could do with some of that utopian vision right now.

[@craigmarksully]

If Kurtzman was a green grocer, he'd only stock low-hanging fruit.

[@fischergriess6321]

Kkkkkk. Underrated comment

[@dimitriwarchief301]

This needs more likes

[@Taijifufu]

Badumbum tsssss

[@Koshiro2k3]

Star Trek used to carry an atmosphere of culture, civilization, intellect. No more. NuTrek, in addition to all the other failings that are hinted at in the good Major's poignant videos, has no class.

[@marchizproductions4137]

We've been through the journey of Picard when he was respected, effective leadership, great listener, always does the right thing. He had authority, but he always uses it to create a better future. We've gone from this to now Picard being shamed for his life, shamed for his hard work, shamed for his accomplishments. He's constantly a laughing stock, a bumbling idiot who can't take control of a difficult situation. Runs into submission cowardly. Star Trek Picard is essentially a big middle finger to all the Star Trek fan base. Star Trek is not edgy or depressingly nihilistic. It's supposed to be hopeful, optimistic and a promising bright future for all of us.

[@JamesBlitz00]

this

[@mirarstudios]

Yup

[@O1OO1O1]

There's a lot to be said for the current population is actively working against creating a future like that, either because they're idiots who've been fooled into doing it, or deliberate.

[@mirarstudios]

Because much patriarchy, much toxic masculinity. Got to knock those hero's off their perches. Kind of sick mentality.

[@springbloom5940]

@@mirarstudios Marxism. Heros and icons must be corrupted and de-legitimized, to move forward. Stewart is a Commie, so of course he jumped at the opportunity to destroy a privileged, old, white man and make h subservient to edgy, entitled, outraged children.

[@jamessalvatore7054]

Christ, that moment when Kurtzman's ideas are so bad that they make Annie Wilkens look like a SANE REASONABLE PERSON.

[@Princess2Warrior]

*x'D*

[@worldweaver2691]

I assume that she is the soup person. where is she from?

[@elisabethschmerzler963]

World Weaver She’s from “Misery”, a novel written by Stephen King and adapted into a movie with Kathy Bates playing Annie.

[@worldweaver2691]

@@elisabethschmerzler963 Ah a stepthen King character. rip that world.

[@elisabethschmerzler963]

World Weaver Why rip? I’m just a bit confused

[@sel3735]

What I noticed since watching sci-fi as a kid is that future humans are still human, but 'different' in terms of language and behaviour, even in Enterprise and other sci-fi shows like Babylon 5. But, I think our language is actually deteriorating over the past few decades, especially with the increase of slang, vocal fry and social media. I don't understand how the characters in Picard can act more uncivilized than the post World War 3 humans in First Contact. Lily is a princess compared to Raffi.

[@getcrack4me]

I enjoyed the Lily-Picard dynamic in First Contact. If they wanted to place Picard in a degenerated state of Humans they could have easily had Picard sent back to our time and made a short series (an expanded version of DS9's Past Tense).

[@kotk05]

Next star trek convention QnA: why does every character on STP act and talk like 21st century savage?

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@kotk05 : I went to one in the '90s where Marina Sirtis appeared and spoke as if infinitely better than those CBS hack-nobodies, and also wasn't in her uniform at the same time. Wearing ordinary clothes, but really, really nice clothes hehehehehehehehe!

[@heckinmemes6430]

Well, if you're trying to pander to a 21st century savage...

[@kotk05]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 I just googled a 90s convention pic, she's showing off the goods, wow

[@diego2112gaming]

@@heckinmemes6430 I have a lengthy reply to the video in general, but basically it's at this point in the Trek timeline the younger generations have been faced with constant war and infighting, the thin veneer of civility that Starfleet offered has been ripped away, and the ugly truth of humanity exposed. For proof of this being the case when a generation or two grow up knowing nothing but war and negative media, look no further than the USA. So the line of "sheer fucking hubris" is, on essence, just that. But eh, what do I know? I'm from the generation that in their teens watched as people threw themselves off of a collapsing World Trade Center. Any innocence we had died then. And civility? Nah man. It's gone.

[@Never_Know_Best]

Diego2112Gaming I think more fans take issue with the execution of the premise, rather than the premise itself. The show is so edgy, performative and cynical that it fails to consider how to believably portray the decline of a truly impressive civilization. I could believe that the Federation will not be maintained to the high standards it set for itself-later Trek series constantly put future humanity’s lofty ideals to the test-but the decline would not happen like this. Not this quickly or.. willfully. And the premise itself has its flaws; the Romulan empire would not have been that vulnerable, for one.

[@DarkNova50]

When somebody doesn't understand what they're seeing, they'll fill in the gaps with what they know. Apparently, there's a lot about Star Trek that our dear friend doesn't understand.

[@snoopy7261]

Following that line of thought, what he does know is full of filth and depravity. He is a disgusting example of a human being.

[@dandeliondown7920]

@@snoopy7261 Also, Kurtzman wants to do a Section 31 series. He says that Empress Georgiou "radiates this incredible heart. People love her." [Los Angeles Times, May 9, 2019].

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

@@dandeliondown7920 He sounds like he has a soft spot for authoritarianism.

[@hansellius]

​@@Johnny-rx4hs Many of the woke crowd seem to.

[@JAnx01]

The destruction of our franchises is deliberate. They want us demoralised.

[@globalterroil3208]

What a sad devolving world we live in.

[@mathology5710]

Star Trek: Edgelord Edition

[@joshuanorris5860]

Lmao yuppppp

[@joshuanorris5860]

Thats exactly what it is...

[@bloodysimile4893]

Bones: It a miracle that these people made it through the 20th century. 21st century: *Humanity driving off the cliff.*

[@889654]

Perhaps we will survive long enough for someone to utter Riker's comment, "Makes one wonder how our species survived the 21st century."

[@benfisher4598]

@@ogs_Boga1900 So hopefully after we hit our lowest point, there will be nowhere to go but up.

[@nostoevsky]

I mean World War 3 happened in Star Trek

[@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597]

@@nostoevsky And even before nukes started flying social stratification on economy is also severe (Bell Riots).

[@emagotis]

Luckily in the future they still have marketing on the alcoholic bottles

[@nizarific001]

Before the next Star trek is made, everyone involved need to sign a contract saying that they will watch all TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise followed by all major grin critiques of STD and Picard. Then and ONLY then can they know if they have done it right or not.

[@Foebane72]

I can only imagine that those people would see all of that previous Trek as QUAINT and OLD-FASHIONED.

[@katherinefreymuth2030]

Don't forget all the Star Trek films that didn't have JJ Abrams involved (minus perhaps Nemesis).

[@sebastianfitzptraick7395]

Giving actors like Patrick Stewart creative control is stupid, he should stick to what he's good at.

[@stevenyia2778]

Most ignorant comment ever lamo

[@duffeknol]

@@stevenyia2778 not really. Stewart has no idea about what makes Star Trek good, and he demanded access to the writer's room or he wouldn't do the show. He's arrogant, and greatly to blame for how poor the show turned out.

[@joshuanorris5860]

Amen

[@TheNinjaMarmot]

He's only as good as the lines written by someone else.

[@mattc9998]

Definitely not Major Grin's favourite line to quote: "in your very fine château"

[@snoopy7261]

That line and its delivery are a blemish on Star Trek as it sets my people back 60 years.

[@michaelkokot8700]

Why didn't Picard say "oh you mean my fine Chateau that was completely rebuilt after the fire that killed my brother and nephew? "

[@Funaru]

Also, couldn't she built or replicate her very own fine château on a Federation colony planet?

[@2bituser569]

Michael Kokot It wasn’t just free probably took credits or something from sale of the wine to rebuild it.

[@2bituser569]

Funaru I imagine if she wanted a decent place or a job you just apply at your nearest city. Remember they eliminated money and need for money to be used for common necessities like a home, clothes, medical, food and water.

[@Natural11001001]

Just a horrible show. I decided to watch The Expanse and The Orville after STP S1. I'm glad I did. Both are fun to watch and proof that sci-fi can still be done properly if not created by talentless hacks.

[@definitelynotobama6851]

Wanna bet the Orville stays funnier than Lower Decks?

[@saberiandream316]

The Stargate shows feel more true to classic Star Trek than this recent crap.

[@sonic-bb]

@@definitelynotobama6851 lower decks is so trash. And The Orville is absolutely fantastic

[@177SCmaro]

Someone apparently told the new writers that talking like a 10 year old who just discovered swearing makes them "edgy" and is a substitute for good writing.

[@jrs4753]

Maybe Q had a point when he called out Picard in episode 1

[@rayzermaniac5218]

I have always said that I would be happy with anything as long as we were getting a new Star Trek show. Picard tested that theory to my absolute limit. I almost broke. If season 2 isnt some form of improvement i dont think i will keep watching. How much entertainment did they think they were going to be providing showing an old man waddling about the stars being told off by some angsty woman every other second or sworn at for the rest of the time? Why oh Why Picard couldnt you save us with your precious starfleet ships? *A few episodes later almost 300 romulan ships show up out of nowhere.

[@SPTX.]

Almost? lol, what more can you cope with?

[@Foebane72]

You watched the whole season of Picard?? I couldn't stand more than a few episodes!

[@km-kl3lg]

I couldn't watch more than a few episodes. The language, the Romulans (Where the f is their military and Tal Shiar? Out of the blue the majority of them don't have ridges on their forehead anymore, long hair? Two Romulans catering to Picard on his vineyard??), the on screen brutality.

[@oneinathousand2156]

I just don’t get that interview included here where Stewart said the swearing is because the “world has changed”. Except we’re living in the *PRESENT* and Star Trek is in the *FUTURE*. You could say that maybe he was referring to the world of entertainment instead but if that’s the case they shouldn’t be copying others.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

His "world" is an echo chamber of Hollywood elite who think that all white people are as rich and privileged as they are. They (Hollywood liberals in general) think if they virtue signal enough it will somehow cancel out all of the child molestation or other horrible things they've done to other people. If they haven't molested kids themselves, they ignored the molesting other people were doing so as to not jeopordize their own careers. In Stewart's case, Bryan Singer, director of the X-Men movies that Stewart starred in, is a pedophile. Ian McKellen has also made some weird comments indicating that he may have also molested boys.

[@realnigga19]

@@KasumiKenshirou very fitting if you consider how NuTrek has raped the childhoods of so many

[@capmar-vell92returns20]

@@KasumiKenshirou Star Trek has always been pretty liberal-friendly what with the federation having no money or racism. Stop using liberals and conservatives as bogeymen please.

[@MuddinNYC]

@@capmar-vell92returns20 Liberal minded is fine. The issue is this show is supposed to be the future when we overcame all this stuff. It's supposed to be a better future not a shitty present.

[@bS0up]

Oh Jesus Christ, you people have to be kidding me. Are you even Star Trek fans. The shows have always reflected the modern age. What the hell do yo think the purpose of the original series was but to shed light on the issues of the time?

[@drhfuhruhurr1899]

Say what you want about Shatner, but he never betrayed his character like Stewart did. Seems like he signed up to this with the condition that he could destroy his past work. 🤔

[@juresaiyan]

Shatner is the true hero of Star Trek.

[@saberiandream316]

Patrick Stewart was NEVER the man who made Picard, but Ron Moore and Michael Piller, and they're gone now.

[@EndOfSmallSanctuary97]

@@saberiandream316 This. It was the writers and producers of TNG that made Picard who he was; Stewart hated the character and wanted him to he completely different, even back during TNG's run.

[@saberiandream316]

@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 I think too many casual fans who never did the research fell for the bait when Patrick Stewart was brought back as a creative consultant. Exactly as planned.

[@steverendle6827]

This sums up how terrible modern Star Trek is

[@benjaminlogan8946]

It's not modern Star Trek.... it's nothing.

[@jackbj]

i can’t even express how disappointed i am with how nutrek has turned out. Is it too much to ask for a tng or ds9 style show, but with none of that terrible writing and story structure? I saw a glimpse of it in the episode where riker and troi showed up in picard, but that didn’t last long. It’s the curse of CBS All Access, they don’t have the pressure to actually put out a half decent show, they just come up with shows like Discovery and Picard. I have no hope for the upcoming animated Lower Decks show which is supposed to take place in the TNG era. Knowing them, they’re gonna break canon for the 500th time, everyone’s gonna be gay (gotta fill that quota, can’t be lacking on the inclusivity!), the Captain is gonna be an idiot, etc. It just makes me mad, yknow?

[@dragonknightleader1]

I think one has to BE an adult to write a Golden Era Trek episode. Gen X, who are the ones writing these episodes for Millenials, always have that "coolest kid in the room" attitude, moreso than the hippies that preceded them. The flaw is they don't think THAT deeply about what they're making or the implications of their art. The goal then becomes how edgy can their art be, hence the rise in gore porn and ST:P-esque shows. Stories became less about virtuous characters and more about character studies to finally spectacle porn. The level of maturity to write these kinds of characters goes down because it's much easier to project pessimism than optimism.

[@cerberus9704]

My thoughts exactly. Post a blog or something :). Even the fact that CBS is feeding on the money from their subscriptions and giving out less than half quality TV shows.

[@hansellius]

@JRPGFan20000 I mean, I hope so. I'd love to be a writer, and I'm learning to draw so I can make illustrations for my books, or make comics. One idea I have is a Star Trek comic, set in the early Federation. I'd love to make (hopefully good) stories for people. But the idea of putting my work out there in the current climate sometimes seems like a fool's errand.

[@hansellius]

Is it a coincidence that "Nu Trek" would, if you put the space in a different place, be "Nut wreck". Because I'll be honest, that's how watching Discovery felt to me at times. I never even had the courage to try Picard out.

[@hettfield]

It's in line with NuStarWars... They know the fans will watch it anyway, so they make it for the "new audiences"... this also is in line with the DCEU attitude about hope and good vs evil. There is just so much cynicism and apathy that they can't bring themselves to imagine that audiences would react well to a positive and hopeful message. The counter to their world view is, of course, the MCU. Captain America proves you can do good and hopeful well. I cancelled my subscription to CBS and wrote to them telling them why. I'm done with NuTrek... Discovery I could tolerate, but Picard was just too much.

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

I think Chabon had a hand in this too because he basically said in an interview that he does not believe that language would ever evolve to a more decent and modest level than what it is at now, despite what Roddenberry depicted.

[@Cuthalu]

@Dr_Doctor If anything this feels like a money grab and a publicity stunt. There's no love for Star Trek to be seen in his comments.

[@marcocappelli2236]

@@Mademoiselle_Katie I heard cursing can release people's stress from daily issues. I don't think it would be of much use if we erase hunger, war and poverty...

[@skyserf]

The differences in style between TOS,TNG,VOY,DS9,ENT and the recent STD/PIC are jarring.

[@melwugon3687]

I think TOS has also kinda jarring style difference than older treks

[@TheOneStooge]

@@melwugon3687 Eh. Still had the same style of story telling, moral lessons, and general structure. These new treks are practically unrecognizable. Take out the iconic ship designs and it's a totally different series.

[@melwugon3687]

@@TheOneStooge Well the show evolved over time. I would say TNG season 1 and TOS season 3 are very similar. However TOS season 1 seems totally different than DS9 season 7 or ENT season 3

[@melwugon3687]

@jason thomas ?

[@TheOneStooge]

@@melwugon3687 I disagree. The original Roddenberry and Berman Trek's were far more similar in tone and style even 30 years apart. Far more than the newest CBS foray into the 'verse.

[@VictorythroughUnity59]

This is too painful to watch, even for humor's sake... Fantastic choice of clips bro! XD lol

[@norkvankats5416]

Yeah - tng paid attention to language differences ... it’s annoying they paid no attention ... or they just inserted language from our current world - breaking our illusions ... the wrong people are in charge ... :(

[@romelmunoz7957]

But you know normies will go "wooow, hell yes! tell it like it is!"...

[@Trump-a-Tron]

You were never the target audience.

[@dimitriwarchief301]

@Trump-a-Tron 6000 Oh Well I guess that destroys opinions Oh. Wait. No Yeah he might be but then again he can still have that opinion.

[@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe]

A small mind like Kurtzman can't even imagine anything beyond what is right in front of him...thus why Picard feels like it's just the 21st Century with space ships.

[@Johnny-rx4hs]

Kurtzman is not a dreamer, he's a wallower

[@Foebane72]

I bet Kurtzman's reasoning is "because it IS the 21st century??"

[@drockjr]

0:10. Everytime I bring up this dudes doofy looking face, I get criticized. So ty for noticing too

[@axenledgie1423]

He's the ugliest sob I've ever seen on screen. Not worthy for an on-screen role.

[@drockjr]

@@axenledgie1423 he was having a whole incest thing to add insult to injury

[@KasumiKenshirou]

Should have Dr. Crusher ask him if if he's growing a beard or if his face is dirty.

[@DD-lm1gv]

Hang out with different people.

[@theshlauf]

You missed one where Chief O'Brien kept saying 'damn' every other sentence on the Defiant, Nog started copying him and the Chief told him to watch his language.

[@andrewlonsway5221]

He's scottish, I think he gets a pass there.

[@EndOfSmallSanctuary97]

@@andrewlonsway5221 He's Irish, not Scottish

[@ahmataevo]

How do you even know how to look for all this material to cut it together so brilliantly?

[@mattuiop]

You can have the AAA budget, AAA choreography, and AAA actors, but if you have a shit writing team everything else doesn't even matter.

[@KuDastardly]

_"Well that thing's gotta have a tailpipe, right?" -Lt. Uhura_

[@takerdust]

I wish JL could face the Nausicaans again.

[@vaska00762]

That's if somehow they don't "redesign" the Nausicans. Their appearances have been consistent through TNG, DS9 and Enterprise.

[@nxreliant1864]

I’m sure they’ll be portrayed as tree huggers and vegans. 🙄

[@bazzokzwattom2655]

@@vaska00762 That's not entirely true. The Nausicaan makeup, vocal effects, and heights of actors were noticeably different in Star Trek: Enterprise. See: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Nausicaan

[@gl3110]

"They're still using money, we've got to find some." is one of my favourite lines in star trek. So good.

[@DrKaii]

Thanks for taking the time to make this. I am hoping someone will make a video highlighting the optimism vs pessimism of the two shows like this

[@deathhexxxgaming3431]

When I heard that Star Trek: Picard was going to be made... I literally had dreams about the show. I was in a situation with the military where I wasn't able to watch it as it premiered and it literally disturbed me, almost depressed me. I was looking so forward to the show. I had the most respect and admiration for the character of Captain Picard and Patrick Stewart for the way in which he was able to portray the character. When I got home literally one of the first things I did was sit down to start watching it... I made it about as far as the where Seven of Nine takes control of the Romulan Borg Cube and seriously quit watching it. I've never been so let down , disappointed, and to be honest straight ashamed and I wish that it would have never been made. It is a stain on the character, the series, everything I loved about it. Watching Patrick Stewart meekly and sadly portray such a strong, amazing character is nauseating, especially when I go to compare it to some of the great scenes of TNG. The entire show, everything is just so... well, the best thing I can think to say is, "why". What really sucks is this is now Cannon... this is now the universe that I use to love but now have little respect for. Patrick Stewart, now I realize, really never understood the character he was playing and all the idiots producing this garbage have no real idea of the universe in which it is all set. It's almost like the show is being sabotaged... I almost wish that were true. At least then I would have an explanation as to what the hell is going on and why...

[@Tarik360]

There's a special kind of sting I feel knowing that 15 y'o me would have loved this years ago.

[@Njordin2010]

i just want to thank you for your channel. thats giving me all the arguments i need to explaining anybody the difference between star trek and kurtz trek

[@kibagami74]

Thank you for making this video. That had to take a lot of hours but very worth it. The fans are doing the best work.

[@magetsalive5162]

"Test us!" Q points at Star Trek: Picard "Shit."

[@rafaelkresmar3998]

This is exactly what I've felt what would happen with Picard. Patrick Stewart didn't want to return to do another Star Trek Show and people assumed that he agreed to Kurtzman because of the money but I suspected that Kurtzman simply presented a show to him that wasn't Star Trek and therefore he agreed. He agreed to do Star Trek Picard because it wasn't a Star Trek show and was pretty much the opposite of everything he came to dislike about TNG it wasn't an optimistic view on the potential of what Mankind could come to be Kurztrek was a pessimistic view on how humanity even hundreds of years into the future would still be the same garbage as today......

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

MASTERFUL edit!! Loved it.

[@benjaminbrown7042]

I was about to start watching STP this week but seeing all these compilations has changed my mind

[@zipoites]

Nicely done but very depressing. I actually stopped watching the season during the 2nd episode because of the language used. This simply isn't Star Trek.

[@SprocketList]

4:17 Is that the actual music used in the show? It’s more like 90210 The Next Generation than Star Trek. It’s a bizarre style choice. The whole show is, tbh.

[@realnigga19]

well they have to cater to their new audience

[@rockerboyrage1609]

"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"

[@austinfrazier7325]

This might be your best video yet

[@Mauther]

The really sad thing is some of this could be explained with decent writing. Cultural trauma to the Federation from massive casualties in the Dominion War or a new Borg invasion, could explain some of the societal shifts. Bitterness from Dominion War veterans to Picard (who basically sat out the Dominion War) could explain the radical turn of Star Fleet. It would have required some really delicate tap dancing, but it could be done, if there was a point to it. But there was no point, just lazy writing. Certain writers saw the Expanse and Game of Thrones and couldn't come up with their own setting so they just wore Star Trek like a skin suit.

[@whos-the-stiff]

Oh if only we could get Kurtzman, Goldsman, Beyer and Chabon into Annie Wilkes bed for real !

[@Iwantedtoleavethis]

Thank you for making these videos

[@jean-guygeoffroy8391]

Excellent analysis... Great research !

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

As much as this hurt me to watch, I’d like to see it expanded and analyzed a little more. I’m into stuff like this.

[@duanebarry2817]

Thank you for putting this together. It really shows the contrasts in style and I suspect that Star Trek Picard will seem more dated in a 10 years than TNG because all of characters speak and act as if they're living in 2020. TNG had a 1990s feel, of course, but it never reached the level of ST Picard.

[@LukeRanieri]

Brilliant video, as always.

[@jamesboulger8705]

Thank you for making this.

[@punishedDutch]

I MISS STAR TREK. 😭😭😭😭

[@Kevbo2040]

Every single video this channel uploads is just another nail in the coffin of STD and STP. Those shows are so, so horrible...and I say that as someone who really loved DS9, and an ACTUAL, skilled, well-written look at the underbelly or 'dark side' of the Federation and humanity as a whole, in the Star Trek universe. It was done with SO much more skill and tact.

[@scoutiii8893]

OMG smiling Alex Kurtzman in Misery made me LOL

[@lugodoc]

Worth all the research and editing you did, I hadn't realised how bad it had got.

[@SchardtCinematic]

Damn Kirk and Spock must have started using colorful metaphors after they came back with the whales. Not to mention Gillian coming back from the 20th century, lol But why did it take another 100 years to catch on? joking. But sounds like an excuse klutsman might use.

[@theknightsofawesomeness2701]

And apparently all this change in language has to with the Dominion war. 😤

[@leemayes4545]

This was absolutely brilliant! Like pretty much everyone else here, I'm appalled at what has happened to my beloved franchise... but this video is a really great way to show the difference. Well done!

[@Jujufeedongoogle]

outstanding vid..thank you!

[@katey1dog]

MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@StarWarriorCentral]

I had a dream last night that Star Trek: Picard ended up being different than in reality. It was actually a good show, similar to old Trek, but I don't remember all that happened. Too bad I had to wake up.

[@TammoKorsai]

Look up Star Trek Continues here on KZbin. The actors and writers really nailed the feel of classic Star Trek without abandoning what made it great.

[@TheSignOfZeta]

Now I want to watch Star Trek IV again.

[@met6192]

"Star Trek is a formula. It's not my idea, it's not your idea, it's not Paramount's idea. It's Gene Roddenberry's idea of the 24th century, and it's very important for me to remember that. Not because I'm 'faithful to Gene's legacy,' as people love to write; it's because that's what Star Trek is. To change that is to not be doing Star Trek anymore. Roddenberry's creation is a hopeful, idealistic, and arguably absurd view of the future: an era in which racism and poverty have been vanquished, and mankind combs the cosmos with a smile and a shoeshine. This vision is the genome that has defined Star Trek for three decades. It's a DNA string with an infinite potential for variation - but an unwavering premise." (Rick Berman 1996 Wired Magazine)

[@bvansenu]

The thing is, humanity not acting perfectly at all times isn't the problem. A lot of TNG episodes had characters acting in a way that wasn't Roddenberry's enlightened vision of humanity and they still worked. The problem is when that behavior is not immediately met with disapproval by the rest of the crew because they all act that way. Humanity still had flaws in TNG, they just were always trying to address those flaws and do better.

[@alexthorpe2522]

This channel is the only place I see clips of Picard. My cringe gland is too sensitive to watch an actual episode.

[@DrummondsPoint]

Nicely done.

[@lightspeedjunky]

Pulling the trigger of a phaser sounds like when we "dial" phone numbers now...

[@giin97]

Except more than 1-2 generations removed.

[@paradox7358]

ST: Picard gave me every venereal disease. I'm on a seven season TNG course to recover.

[@Cuthalu]

I'm going at season 4. The difference compared to P is quite staggering. Story structures are simpler, but everything's much better executed and there's >25 point IQ difference in dialogue.

[@adambrown3918]

Major? Have you ever spoke to Doomcock? He had a good Friday live chat about the ruination of Star Wars and Star Trek. I hope so. This willful destruction of our favorite fanchises has to stop.

[@snoopy7261]

Doomcock needs his filthy mouth washed out with soap as well. He has no business even attempting to critique this aspect of Trek's ruination. I hate even watching his channel because of the foul way he speaks. Disgusting.

[@NitpickingNerd]

Doomcock is a clickbaiter who pretends he has sources to make up wishful thinking rumors . None of his predictions ever came true

[@WorivpuqloDMogh]

Love this channel

[@lbbeasley]

They really used the same Peter Gabriel cover of Heroes that was used, to such great effect, in Stranger Things? HOLY MOLY.

[@natew5544]

now im glad that i havnt seen star trek picard. TNG was very well written by intelligent people

[@weareharbinger914]

Ugh, sir patrick stewart, a classicly trained, british actor saying 'ass' sounds so wrong.

[@lord_egg]

Star Trek in the 60s-2000s: Peaceful utopia with occasional unfortunate problems Modern Star Trek: Society=Evil, we must challenge everything because it not good, look we're cool now because we swear,

[@gameoverwehaveeverypixelco1258]

Brilliant. Love the end scene.

[@joegrimes9232]

It's bad and frankly forgettable. Alexander Sidding and Andrew Robinson recently did a table read of sorts in lockdown. Half an hour, only fifteen minutes shy of a full DS9 episode devoted to Bashir and Garak having a discussion. It was 10X more gripping than 8 hours of this turkey, the kicker here is - people would pay a Trek subscription, not a CBS one, just a Trek one if they had that quality writing and acting of the DS9 short over a couple new shows and the entire Trek Library in one place - I can guarantee it. People'd pay like 5.99 a month. Get to see all the new shows first, have a scrolling comments bar at the side like youtube. But man they'd have to get the shows formula right. Write smart. Not patronizing and so bloody cynical

[@lennyernquist1246]

Major Grin I can tell you know your Star Trek. I bet you would make a hell of better writer/producer then Klutzman.

[@morden279]

Amazing dissection. Have a sub.

[@albertannationalist]

As RedLetterMedia pointed out, the "heirloom furniture" gag doesn't even make sense. The Picard Winery's original chateau was destroyed in a fire during Star Trek Generations