Sun Yang CAS SUSPENSION : Detailed Legal Analysis of Ban

[@ilanpi]

In the documentary "The Armstrong Lie" you can see Lance Armstrong harassing the doping controllers during an out of competition test. I thought he should have been banned just for that.

[@heftarc3290]

yanks always walk free. the EPO Armstrong used was fucking produced by US military complex. like many doping drugs.

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Apparently there is a mono/stereo audio issue for some sections. I suggest adjusting your mono/stereo settings or wearing headphones if you can’t hear the hearing segments. Yes I will obviously be doing an Omloop livestream watchalong for the last 50km or so when I get home later tonight - WAAIERS

[@tws183]

What is your prediction? Who are your favorites?

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

GVA, Trentin, Colbrelli

[@ihzbc]

@@LanterneRougeCycling CCC 1 AND 2 ?? That would be sexy to watch 😍😁

[@millsshumps1968]

Awesome breakdown of the whole proceedings. The closing comments about the doorbell was quality lol.

[@wayne0316]

Watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/f32sdJyXnLp8h5I

[@dhslammer]

is it just me or are the clips from the court inaudible?

[@adriand2826]

They are

[@sudogrep5242]

Unfortunately I agree with Lanterne. Wish that rules and judgements were more balanced. It is baffling how athletes/cyclists from certain countries get away with breaking the rules for years and years.

[@jaimeisreal]

Follow the money trail! Hahahahaha!!!

[@petecampbellzwift]

Yeah, it's not as if any Americans have ever had their results stripped for doping. What a BS statement.

[@messi9991]

@@jaimeisreal Kenya has money?

[@hallo84]

Sun's case was overturned by swiss court. This is not over yet.

[@arnoldhau1]

The whole thing is quite suspect and I really doubt Sun Yang is actually innocent. But I am not sure the verdict would have been that harsh had he been from the US or from Europe.

[@WanderingSword]

this. But to be fair, another factor against Yang is the "ahole" factor, he's an egoistic ahole just like Armstrong.

[@wesleydeng71]

Because he had previous infractions (more than once).

[@hbc511]

It's is obvious that this is a western biased against yang. Look at the panel all white Anglo Saxons. Really doubt he is guilty. Tested 200 times. Biased against him because he beat them all.

[@leonsong6355]

arnoldhau1 I have seen this the video about that day both from the monitor and smartphones record. all of process looks like tranquil, and seems that all of them agree to destroy that...

[@liitbro]

@@hbc511 Doubt he is guilty? Have you even watch the hearing? You are more ignorant than a number of Chinese.

[@jianchen4204]

Nobody knows if Yang is doping or not. This is just politics. The result is acceptable to most people. Those who support him can still consider him a hero since no evidence of doping. Those who hate Sun Yang can say we finally take him out of the game one way or another. This is politically a happy ending.

[@chrisko6439]

Thank you very much for your ironic statement at 12:11

[@bmac8894]

Those statements were great, but I reckon "Basically a triathlete channel" wins the Gold :D

[@jwp3821]

@@bmac8894 Anti-doping is controlled by the United States, and it can be legal for Americans to take stimulants. Ugly in America. Sun Yang is definitely not taking stimulants. Every inspection he made was normal until at least 2018. It is the talent of the western jealous Sun Yang. Identification is completed. Anti-doping agencies should be established in neutral countries, not in the United States, a hegemonic country. Because the United States is jealous of China's rise. If you do not believe it, you can pay attention to it: Huawei, Sun Yang, Meng Wanzhou. The United States is jealous of China...

[@jwp3821]

Anti-doping is controlled by the United States, and it can be legal for Americans to take stimulants. Ugly in America. Sun Yang is definitely not taking stimulants. Every inspection he made was normal until at least 2018. It is the talent of the western jealous Sun Yang. Identification is completed. Anti-doping agencies should be established in neutral countries, not in the United States, a hegemonic country. Because the United States is jealous of China's rise. If you do not believe it, you can pay attention to it: Huawei, Sun Yang, Meng Wanzhou. The United States is jealous of China...

[@jws4539]

Get real, or join sum bum yang toilet cleaning industry!😆

[@rickmayabolis]

Shayna Jack?

[@TalkingToFounders]

Good analysis my man. I can see your legal training shining through here.

[@whatwelearned]

Ah, questioning the authority of the tester. Traditional defense of the innocent. This guy's a clown. Good riddance.

[@latable558]

Edward Coupe to be fair it has been established that the tester didn‘t have the required accreditations that they have to provide upon request

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

No, the doping control officer did have sufficient accreditation according to CAS

[@millsshumps1968]

@@LanterneRougeCycling You didn't have explain, even I saw this in the video of your findings. You haven't missed a trick. Good work mate.

[@oldoddjobs]

@@yfzhangphonn yeah they're doing wite privjil to the poor China man!

[@casefarley5744]

Not answering the door would have been a better strategy than giving a blood sample and then throwing a tantrum. Guy knew he was f'd as soon as the officials walked into the room. ETA: of course he attacks the process instead of taking the test. Deny, deflect, distract. State-sponsored doping programs are real. Here in the west we just have corporate sponsors for your doping programs (shoutout Nike).

[@jamesroskell6940]

Eloquently put. 😂

[@kailenpiardi2721]

You did really well mentioning some facts like how Sun would feel underrepresented in this case, but how that doesnt matter as much when there is strong legal precedent. Thank you for new content as always!

[@t.c.9838]

That little shout out to Mo at the end. 😂🤣

[@Seegamega]

Unfortunately the files of the hearing have some audio issues for me

[@Matt-nx8pg]

Yes for me too

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Could you please let me know the time stamp? It all seems fine when I watched it back

[@Seegamega]

@@LanterneRougeCycling Dont get the problem on my Computer. Just on the Phone. For example 2:50 - 3:07 and basically for every snipet out of the hearing/trial thing.

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

That’s odd - that time stamps works for me on my phone audio as well. Maybe it’s a stereo / mono audio setting on people’s phones

[@LeZinZin95]

Same problem here

[@patrickwhite8144]

I'm a Sun Yang fan, but it seems that they had no choice but to ban him.

[@hallo84]

Sun's case was overturned by swiss court... so the whole fiaso is just funny. CAS and WADA is a joke.

[@TheVehell]

It is like you refused police to search your house without identifications, then was thrown into prison for 8 years.

[@paulrawlinson8653]

It's much more you didn't like the fact the police officer searching your house didn't carry his passport and birth certificate as well when he presented you with his police id and search warrant, so you burned down the house and then were chucked in jail for 8 years for obstructing justice. Much more like that than your example.

[@raycath0de]

Paul Rawlinson its like both these things

[@vvandu]

Acknowledges that the board needs to be more ethnically diverse to represent broader cultures. Proceeds to call a bow that is a gesture of respect as "weird".

[@franmcgowan4068]

A bow to the audience, not to the panel.

[@oldoddjobs]

There needs to be Samoan DNA present because cultures

[@eamonn9882]

Interesting stuff, only Lanterne Rouge could get me to watch a swimming related vid! Reminds me of the 1998 Michelle Smith tampering ban, another tale from the murky waters of top level swimming.

[@seanhannagans]

I didn't realise this rule about retroactive bans. So, if you routinely dope out of competition, and get some good wins, its best to mess up a sample test, rather than risk getting busted for having banned substances in your blood, 'cos you get to keep your gold medals.

[@maraeacookson1573]

Latherne Rouge thank you for fact at approx 10:22 - Asian, African, Chinese under-represented [well said because it's true], I believe it did have a an effect on Sun Yang's case, because an interpreter should have been provided. And again you're so right about the Chair, his comment what a load of rubbish, ".............the full right to be heard had been completely respected......" NOT!!! It's not weird for Sun Yang to bow that's part of their culture, goes back to the disparities with white anglo saxon's not understanding cultural differences and not giving the respect to indigenous people.

[@dreamchaser5322]

Sun yang is too arrogant，he should take this lesson

[@shamc8325]

They should improve their testing system. Testing should have an instantaneous result and in no way they should transport blood samples from one place to another, especially so if the people getting the samples seem to be inconspicuous and not able to show proper credentials. This is another example of discrimination coming from a sporting body that is primarily favoring the White athletes. Sporting bodies representing the world should be diverse and all races represented. Mark Horton is a bitter rival who can't accept losing to a non-white competitor, and he is a liar for saying that no one from Australia and America have been caught doping. That's just a pathological lie to discredit Asian athlete's achievement. Lastly, let's just amplify that statement that SUN YANG will NOT be discredited and medals will NOT be retroactive because he DID NOT test positive in any of those competitions or events - YES - PONDER ON THAT, and decide what's fair!

[@alfredzlee]

The fact that a construction worker, a former nurse without even a valid certificate and only one trained personnel tried to do the test which is very important to any athletes for Sun is just unacceptable. This was not the right procedure to collect any sample. And those people also signed a declaration that they did not know that they were supposed to help and did not receive any proper training. Now you tell me that Sun will be banned for 8 years for refusing to give his sample to these suspended strangers. Shame on WADA and CAS.

[@yannickokpara4861]

Yes. Surely all involved personnel must have the standardized training or the test can not be legally obtained as it can not be determined within a reasonable doubt that one of the persons without the training will at some point handle any meaningful part of the test such as extraction or locking the test tubes and so contaminate and/or invalidate a sample

[@philipk4475]

There is a procedure already in place if you have an issue with how a sample was/will be taken. If you're too stupid to follow procedure (and by the way the doping control officer did have sufficient accreditation according to CAS) then it's your fault alone.

[@danielmonts7873]

Unfortunately can’t hear some of the inside clips

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Are you on android phone?

[@sveng5319]

Lanterne Rouge same problem with an iPhone for me

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Maybe it is a stereo / mono audio setting issue on your phone

[@danielmonts7873]

I’m on an iPhone I tried messing with the settings, it was the trial audio that was the issue

[@Larry-Cambridge]

Thank you, for mentioning that the CAS panel is missing members from other countries!!!

[@rayhall5610]

The translator will be fired in the next appealing.

[@jwp3821]

Anti-doping is controlled by the United States, and it can be legal for Americans to take stimulants. Ugly in America. Sun Yang is definitely not taking stimulants. Every inspection he made was normal until at least 2018. It is the talent of the western jealous Sun Yang. Identification is completed. Anti-doping agencies should be established in neutral countries, not in the United States, a hegemonic country. Because the United States is jealous of China's rise. If you do not believe it, you can pay attention to it: Huawei, Sun Yang, Meng Wanzhou. The United States is jealous of China...

[@lenahan3536]

@@jwp3821 i was a fan of him actually, but now try to face the fact and not be blinded by patriotism.

[@macculu501]

If anything, he will be kept on board to screw over others that are not proficient in English!

[@tle9128]

jw p suuuuure ! Okay. Haha🤣😂😝

[@goranyau1122]

let him swim in Tokyo Olympics, and carry out the doping test every time he compete

[@kitsilanobob]

If Sun Yang is allowed to compete I think he may end up swimming alone as other athlete's had already started to shun him before this announcement.

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Yeah there would be mass protests for sure

[@jwp3821]

Anti-doping is controlled by the United States, and Americans can be acquitted by taking stimulants. The United States is anti-China. The United States is jealous of Sun Yang. See Alstom. Huawei. Japan Plaza Agreement. Syrian white helmet incident. The United States is a fascist country. China and Russia should overthrow US hegemony.

[@nayr497]

Wait, there is doping in sports other than cycling? No way!

[@nic3092]

he & his team are idoits, totally not professional enough, some of the Chinese including me can't understand the action against test conduct. and there's possibility that he was doping, but this is just presumption, can't be proved now..... not cool at all.... he deserves the ban.

[@nic3092]

@Kelvynn Lee yeah, personally I highly suspect that he doped, just like many American think Simpson killed his ex wife, do they have concreate evidence? no, they were ruled out.

[@zippydeedo]

Can't hear the clips. No sound on them.

[@zippydeedo]

Fixed with headphones, as comment suggests below.

[@zyxlsy]

Aside from the good sarcasm, I really hope that you could provide more legal insights into this video unless your intention is to make a sarcastic video... Also, last time I checked, Armstrong is an American...

[@steveburgess23]

I wonder if Mack Horton will continue his protests against drugs in sport now that the bloke that was beating him has been banned... I think not...

[@valapalisok3086]

You know an athlete is guilty when they use technicalities for defense

[@TheVehell]

What happened in short? Sun has been cooperative until the urine test "officer", who didn't wear uniform but shorts and slippers, began to take photos of Sun without permission, which made Sun angry and suspect their identities and refuse to provide his samples unless they can provide documents to identity themselves. The urine test officer was found actually a full-time construction worker. The blood test officer also lacks operating permit. We know this talented young man has a bad temper and you all know how this story ended. Notably, he was banned for 8 years not for doping, but daring to defiance the authority of WADA, who insisted those officers are "qualified".

[@yannickokpara4861]

@@faytstrife5782 That there is proof he has done it before does not equal proof of his qualification or proof of credentials or that either was properly demonstrated at the occasion.

[@baozoubusi4263]

I really don't understand you people's thoughts. During a dosing test, a 4th "official" came in to your house and took pictures while you pee, isn't that UNPROFESSIONAL AND WEIRD? Then you find out that this 4th official is a FUCKING CONSTRUCTION WORKER, wouldn't you be concerned? When you ask the testers to show their authorization letter and related permits, and they only have like half of the permits while the construction worker only showed his ID, WOULD YOU WANT YOUR BLOOD TO GET TAKEN AWAY BY THEM? When you call your coach, your doctor, the Chinese swimming association, and the doctor calls the head of the hospital and other doctors, and THEY ALL SAY ABORT THE TESTING, what the fuck would you do? When the "testers" agreed to leave the blood samples to Sun Yang, he destroyed it, what is so wrong with that? Not just that, his mom KEPT THE OTHER BLOOD SAMPLE!! It has already turned in to FINA so what are you expecting? Despite all of the above, during the hearing, the translator CAS found CAN'T EVEN SPEAK CHINESE NOR ENGLISH!! Have you seen her just making up a new English word during the hearing? If Sun Yang couldn't even understand half of what the judges say and needs to use his own logic to find out whatever the fuck the translator is saying, HOW IS THAT A FAIR HEARING?

[@cyclenutter2715]

This is officially a triathlon channel now ;)

[@willcai9441]

I am a Chinese and I am so embarrassed for Sun Yang！！！

[@arthursalari5444]

Frenchman here, great content as always! I wonder how you got the translation for the moments spoken in French, because it was really well done

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

I understand french to a reasonable level

[@arthursalari5444]

@@LanterneRougeCycling Well, that is quite the reasonable level 😂

[@steeptachanka2867]

You gonna be doing a vid on what happened at uae tour

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Too depressed about it and don’t really have anything new to add

[@mahiru20ten]

Two team personnel from Italy were diagnosed with coronavirus, and the teams are quarantined at the hotel they stayed in.

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Yeah I know what’s going on, but I have nothing to add to it

[@maxrevell3830]

@@mahiru20ten it was suspected, but not confirmed as of this morning - if it has progressed since then, I'm not up to speed!

[@Protoman888]

His digression at 09:55 was just to reiterate his point from earlier that anyone in the audience etc. could be an inspector

[@siewbengwee4530]

I spent 9 minutes listening to this and am just appalled at the poor quality translation provided by that woman for Sun Yang, I never hear about SUn Yang until today and followed the links to his case here. Not even looking at the merits of the case, I am just shocked at the selection of this translation services. Well in future beware you want to be heard in a language you are not good at. MAKE SURE YOU PICK AND ENDORSE YOURSELF who translates for you. THat woman has elementary school level english at best.

[@jonathandasilva5749]

My door bell is loud yet I have been rung by food delivery and friends to say they're outside. It happens. It's clearly suspicious but it's within the rules to miss a test or two not to destroy samples. It's equating two things that are not equal. Punishment seems harsh almost like any concession here really would undermine dope testing which it would.

[@tychoMX]

Except it is very convenient to avoid the glow times when people can actually be caught doping. The testing already is highly inefficient and catches almost no one. That said, I take issue with the double standard with western athletes "missing" the anti-doping officials. Lizzie, Mo, bucketloads of cyclist (IIRC Triki Beltran had to be chased by the chaperones at the end of a race across a field after he tried evasive action), Serena Williams, etc.

[@veterinarius7646]

Well, he can go and find another profession now

[@yannickokpara4861]

Whether or not Sun Yang was in any degree in the wrong to be non-compliant in providing a test I'm on the fence about, but this way of having a hearing… they basically rush through it all. They are not allowing at all for the defendant, Sun Yang, to be able to ensure that his statement is completely and utterly his words and expression without room for misinterpretation. They are essentially trying to force misinterpretation such that his statement may be nullified and disregarded. This is no way to have a hearing. The translator obviously does not have the credentials(oh that again?) to be performing this translation, which is obvious by the fact she can not keep up with normal conversational speed and has trouble deciding which English words reflect his verbal expressions. She is in no way qualified to be carrying out this translation and WADA knows it and WADA loves that they are able to assert this power over athletes and/or nations which displease them. The hearing should simply have been postponed, because WADA had failed to supply personnel with the credentials that allow the statement to be given in the words of Sun Yang without reasonable doubt of his intent. That's like finding out mid-trial that someone with judiciary authority or means of undermining the case(judge, either of the lawyers, or the jury) has meaningful ties to either of the represented parties and the judge just being like: oh yeah, sorry… I guess we'll let it slip this once. We don't need a mistrial. I know this guy. He's guilty. TRUST ME!

[@JMcLeodKC711]

In the Alex Gibney film "The Armstrong Lie", ARmstrong goes ballistic when he is tested two days in a row. The guy who shows up on the second day keeps an Easter Island face the whole time

[@zikaperic2133]

Great commentary!

[@jaimeisreal]

Legitimate question to everyone reading this random KZbin comment. Do you believe that Phelps is clean and has never taken anything 'performance enhancing', legal or illegal? Honest question.

[@oldoddjobs]

He drank water which legally enhanced his performance

[@tychoMX]

Legitimate answer - who knows? many athletes dope. Stupid (or unlucky) doping athletes get caught. I think Hamilton wrote in his book that a doping test is really an IQ test. That comes in many flavours - deciding microdosing is for babies and you're going to take a "proper" hit, then having to explain large anomalies in your biopassport; sitting at the wrong Austrian clinic at the wrong time, just to be recorded by the police raid; having your doctor decide to rat you out when he's being prosecuted for tax evasion; having the head of your nation's doping program get pissed that his sister is in jail for trafficking doping substances when you've made 1,400 samples disappear to keep your nation competitive. And so on. So yeah, probably a lot of athletes get away with it. That said, the existing controls probably limit the range of the doping response - which is why Flo Jo's records are still there.

[@spidermann1256]

Dunno - a lot of irregularities that have been glossed over. IMO, he's innocent until proven guilty - I also understand that SY had been tested approx 200 times prior to the 2019 incident; furthermore he must be aware that the swimmers achieving podium positions are likely to be subjected to post race tests. Why take the risk? Alternative view: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f32sdJyXnLp8h5I

[@belmany]

the official translator was pretty sub-standard...

[@latable558]

Kenneth KCC the hearing was an absolute shit show holy cow

[@QiluXie]

sub-standard is a nice word, I would say it's a complete disaster

[@tigerwu4820]

9:29 she's assigned by wada ....

[@robertlauber9021]

I think most can attest that they've had at least one faulty electronic within the last two years that was manufactured in China. The doorbell defense is believable.

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Hahahaha

[@robertlauber9021]

Got me. Enjoy your winnings

[@xihaha9635]

Sun can’t even get a proper translator?

[@letisriva8581]

anafi jjng the government doesn’t allow him to change

[@richardvincent5358]

He should have been banned after that hat-throw he did.

[@sonsofjesse]

You can smell the commie IN.TITLE.MENT coming out as he thinks he is above a judicial court. he gave the tribunal jurisdiction once he entered the room and long before, once He chose to Contract for sport/olympics especially. Love it LR...You speak my language bro.

[@borano2031]

The "commie"?? Rgr

[@iseetruth4917]

the western world is full of racists. why do you think he is a commie member? coz he is chinese? lol right

[@arminbosten8159]

really nice content as always

[@Brutal3nforcer]

I wouldn't say Australian's/US/UK never dope... however there isn't a government backed program like those countries. Individuals are still capable of cheating, although the logistics of that a far more complicated

[@rayhall5610]

Swimming has turned into a shameful game. The pool is full of Asthma patients since WADA controls the "legal medicine". So behind the scene is not really athletics but medicine R&D. Over years, China has caught up and even exceeded US in developing new medicines. In other words, China beat US using American rules. WADA is agitated for that. There will be more and more Sun's cases in the future. Let's watch how China and the west fight each other.

[@paulrawlinson8653]

Arguably sky's close involvement with British cycling and its level of state funding, and the incestuous mix of personnell across the bodies blurs the distinction between possible / likely doping within the Sky / BC bounds and any claims of state separation from BC outcomes

[@peterwilliams4456]

The AIS set up after the 1980 Olympic Games was a model for some countries, especially the track cycling program - It had a few cases of doping offences and the template was exported to the UK - So Australia does have Government supported doping programs

[@paulrawlinson8653]

@@peterwilliams4456 "has had a few doping cases" and " does have state sponsored..." is a non- sequitir

[@alianofann]

Heard the great news? 8years banned.

[@takioswald9834]

I demand "DO NOT BAN SUN YANG"

[@takioswald9834]

@tilin campana fuck you!

[@seandavchrsn]

Yeah, cheers Osi! Off to lactate testing today. Goooo me.

[@stuartdryer1352]

I don't like Sun Yang at all. Entitlement stank comes off him in clouds. But I think he May have been railroaded this time. I shed no tears for him. LR made good points.

[@vascoamaralgrilo]

Genius ending!

[@Zcinderone]

Curiously, if Sun Yang barely reads and speaks English, how would he timely be aware at that moment what he meant to say is not properly interpreted by the lady next to him?

[@yannickokpara4861]

I just don't think he is well formulated enough in English to present the argument himself in English and so the detailed account will be in his own language and it is then the job for the translator to simplify it is easily understandable for both WADA and Sun Yang should he have any objections to the translation. What is appalling to me is that it does not seem to me that WADA made any strides toward easing the translational burden by allowing the prewritten document to be translated to English so that 99% was set in stone and there would only be the burden of translating off script remarks.

[@yannickokpara4861]

So if the WADA is saying something back in response to what he has said or in this case been translated from him, he might also not understand them and so is unable to elaborate - hence the need for translation.

[@HeinHtet-bj8ok]

if you speak English as your first and only language, you will have no idea how people speaking English as second or third language feel when speaking it. Understanding a language and being able to converse in it fluently are two separate matters.

[@michelegraham9044]

Chris Juul Jensen wrote a humorous article in Roleur I think it was re drug testing & his door bell.

[@EJGilb]

As an ex swimmer, I'm pleased about this.. we all knew he was doping.

[@rayhall5610]

right, don't tell us you don't dope. Sun is upsetting ex-swimmers cause you can't beat SUN even taking a dope. How could that happen? If we can't beat you, let's ban you.

[@david131092]

I’m an ex swimmer too. I remember watching him in 2012 in the 1500 - he came back in 53 in the 1500 after repping solid 58s. Thought it was out of this world when I first saw it but when I thought about it again & again something didn’t feel right. Now I guess this explains it.

[@minervali631]

Dude you are talking way too fast. I don't know if youre doing it intentionally to sound more acquainted with the matters or some other reasons, please slow down, especially when mentioning names, jargon and parlance.

[@uriengill]

Looks like a kangaroo court

[@phonexaylo9571]

Sun Yang is unbeatable, He's too good.

[@sdbszz706]

Phonexay Lo buy me drugs 🤣

[@firstbrotherDK]

Sun is disgrace

[@8Mev]

Guilty

[@ironkbd]

Great video

[@captainsushi24]

So awkward when the barrister tells the translator to go back

[@rickmayabolis]

Shayna Jack? AUS?

[@ijh001]

Australian n US swimmers never dope? R u fking kidding me Prince Charming? Why don’t you ask Google first and do some homework?

[@StringerBell50]

I will never forget what Camille Lacourt once said : "Sun Yung, il pisse violet." F Sun Yung

[@heftarc3290]

such a fucking set-up against non-western athletes.

[@neolan2565]

If you can't beat him, ban him. Such sore losers. Pui!!

[@OpenTheTrollGate]

Learn to use wikipedia lol.

[@zukuri3503]

He is a big cheater , I’m sorry about that ,btw I’m Chinese

[@drym3943]

I will Always respect Sun Yang for his determination and what he achived as a swimmer. But he played, he lost...

[@vvandu]

USA doesn't cheat? Heard of Lance Armstrong?

[@santiagobenites]

That was pure sarcasm.

[@aijowaneh1103]

And he got banned :))

[@WanderingSword]

@@aijowaneh1103 they banned him after we was well done witht he sport, and when he stopped giving out bribe money to the UCI.

[@jamesroskell6940]

Floyd Landis ?

[@jamesroskell6940]

Smatless; most of the peleton at that time.

[@loughman2629]

CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT

[@peterwilliams1119]

The race of the panel members is irrelevant. The issue is judged on the facts alone.

[@WanderingSword]

I see bunch of old western european men judging a chinese who is provided with a completely incompetent translator. And when was the last time any actively competing cyclist caught with doping been given an 8 year ban?

[@peterwilliams1119]

@@WanderingSword the race and age of these men is irrelevant. Your comment holds as much weight as this one. "I see a bunch of old Chinese communists with a state sponsored drug program trying to rort the system"

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

The demographic background of the people drawing conclusions from those facts does effect outcomes in the aggregate

[@paulrawlinson8653]

Said by a white male. Try a week or two on the other side of the tracks. The legal system is a shining example of how personal race, upbringing and bias skews judgement and perception. Even in those paid to be impartial. your statement is as wrong as it is naive

[@peterwilliams1119]

@@paulrawlinson8653 Stick to the facts of this case. Don't go off on irrelevant tangents. Explain to me why they are wrong. I'm here to listen. Don't resort to racial abuse. It's pathetic. Resist the urge to be woke. And maybe you can even convince me you're right.

[@OpenTheTrollGate]

watch this video instead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKW1lph5i696mbs

[@LanterneRougeCycling]

Nah I’m good

[@jemdreg5591]

Yes finally Mack has chances at Tokyo

[@oldoddjobs]

Struggling to contain his ethnomasochism

[@joshuasasfire2759]

This is racism!

[@water112230]

Sun yang rules