Laravel, Django, Next.js ... which framework would I use for building a SaaS?

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@curtmantle7486 5 ай бұрын

I'm a professional C# and .NET Developer. I was looking at options for a small business e-commerce website and I've been very impressed with Laravel and Modern PHP. A far cry from PHP c. 2008.

@jiraiyah8941 5 ай бұрын

I’m learning C# simply for job security, I work in the Govermnent sector and they love C#, but I also was thinking of building an e-commerce site. I think I’m going to go with GoLang as my backend language, strictly for performance and how cheap it is on the backend.

@simonkalu 5 ай бұрын

@@jiraiyah8941 I am thinking the same as well. But is Golang cheap on the backend? Could you explain further. I have starting learning it and have gone far

@newstation795 4 ай бұрын

@@jiraiyah8941use c#

@pythonantole9892 5 ай бұрын

One major problem with JS is that it is hype and "influencer" based. Adonis does not get the attention it deserves simply because it has no major influencer, it's outside the JS hype cycle. Many times in JS you don't use or build using the best tool you use the one that everybody is mentioning on Twitter.

@mattburgess5697 5 ай бұрын

I used Adonis to build a few production systems. It is (IMO) best in class for the JavaScript ecosystem.

@simpingsyndrome 5 ай бұрын

Adonis didn't get the attention bcuz it's trying to replace PHP in my opinion wkkw

@lardosian 5 ай бұрын

@@mattburgess5697 Have you used Nest, how do they compare?

@bryptoTips 5 ай бұрын

This isnt even close to true. Most of the time you’re not using cutting edge or new frameworks because most people actually working in this space use tried and tested tech. These obscure frameworks might be cool but no one is really using them outside of the “influencer” space

@pythonantole9892 5 ай бұрын

@@bryptoTips How is a framework/library etc that was released last Tuesday tried and tested? In JS, if you release something shiny today, by next week everybody is looking to migrate to it.

@jniyaz 5 ай бұрын

Have been working on Next and Laravel simultaneously.. Laravel is 🔥 on the Web based software solutions.

@Dan-re5ss 5 ай бұрын

After, i could not find a job with react i have tried php and Laravel. This was one of the best experiences i have had!

@ivanmitkovski04 5 ай бұрын

We are waiting for the Laravel course!

@marlonm3108 5 ай бұрын

Yes, hopefully they will create...

@astratow 5 ай бұрын

PHP vanilla is also missing... I agree, laravel or symfony would do well for his portfolio.

@omoyenikunle7909 5 ай бұрын

He’s not a PHP dev . I think he’s major is Java script

@astratow 5 ай бұрын

@@omoyenikunle7909 he is loud on javascript but fluent with php

@rawlespringer3917 5 ай бұрын

@@omoyenikunle7909 he has done courses on python..django..flutter and go. So i dont think its out the realm of possibility that he could also do a PHP/Laravel course

@destinyefe8996 5 ай бұрын

Django has all these things you said about Laravel. I love django ❤

@MrValVet 4 ай бұрын

Django ❤

@awusacollins 3 ай бұрын

I use Django all the time. It’s cool

@devanshdubey4588 3 ай бұрын

@@awusacollins should i learn django, as today everyone is talking about node js

@awusacollins 3 ай бұрын

@@devanshdubey4588 If you’re just starting i.e you don’t know Python or Django yet - then go for Node JS. I work with Django and I can do pretty almost anything I want without issues. Some people even use Django and Node JS together cos of SEO. I hope that helps you to make a better decision

@awusacollins 3 ай бұрын

@dedhen 5 ай бұрын

Laravel Is 🔥

@tanjid11 5 ай бұрын

One issue with JavaScript is that it's mandatory for web development. While you can choose other languages, you still have to use JavaScript. Previously, I used Laravel, which is an amazing framework. However, as a solo developer, writing in two languages didn't feel efficient. So, I moved fully to Next.js with TypeScript, and using it with tRPC for full-stack type safety has been the best experience I've had. In my opinion, if you are a solo developer or have a small team, TypeScript is the best choice in the long run. Laravel and other MVC frameworks might be easy to start with, but once you have spent some time in the TypeScript ecosystem, you can move faster than with any other tech stack.

@todormarkov2860 5 ай бұрын

@@d-ioannidis Laravel Inertia Svelte are a great stack

@scott_itall8638 5 ай бұрын

Complete opposite opinion over here, if your a solo dev Laravel is your saving grace! And with Livewire/Volt it’s even better.

@tanjid11 5 ай бұрын

@@scott_itall8638 i had the similar opinion before. While Livewire can do the job . If you have to create a modern complex user interactivity and js framework like react will make your life much easier.

@joseantonioruiz2470 13 күн бұрын

@@scott_itall8638 whyy? i want to be a solo dev

@ranjeetthorat1318 5 ай бұрын

@max really waiting for laravel course. I see a lot of work for freelancers especially in WordPress , laravel. Also All shared hosting provider support managed hosting of these frameorks unlike javascript ecosystem.

@zaidbintariq427 5 ай бұрын

Laravel Daily is a great resource

@junaidkhankhan4260 4 ай бұрын

Laravel and wordpress combination is really great I repent why i left it for the shiny objects like node

@SMOKE3104 5 ай бұрын

Some Devs love the JavaScript eco system because of it's modularity. I would even say that because of the competition of other parts like auth and orms are improving the eco system faster then having a Swiss army knife. The problem with a Swiss army knife is that it wouldn't be your first choice to use to cut your stake,

@viniciusm.m.7822 5 ай бұрын

PHP and Laravel course, Max??

@astratow 5 ай бұрын

I did ask... No reply as yet...

@md.waliullah3.14 5 ай бұрын

I love your content. Please consider making a course on AdonisJS.

@winns.x 5 ай бұрын

Hey Max, just wanted to thank you for your old course for Nuxt (2), which was a good start for my Nuxt journey back in a days. 👍Which is still framework of choose for a web for me, Nuxt 3 now ofc. 💪

@mouctechy 5 ай бұрын

Laravel my lovely 😍 Framework. I left the MERN Stack because if that fragmentation which suck 😅😅

@hipertracker 5 ай бұрын

Django has all batteries includes. It has everything baked in and a lot of great packages like DRF.

@birarakisarap 5 ай бұрын

Chose Django & Rest Framework with NextJS and never looked back.

@aashayamballi 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely 💯

@destinyefe8996 5 ай бұрын

That stack deserves an award 🏆

@train_xc 3 ай бұрын

I alway choose Django + DRF & Ember

@PhilipAlexanderHassialis 5 ай бұрын

My answer to that is: "it depends on the composition and strengths of your team". For example, the company I work on right now, is fully committed to using Java as a back end solution. Every project has always at least 2-3 Spring Boot people - and we are heavily pivoting in always using Next as the front end layer. For us, Django or Laravel or anything else simply doesn't cut it - because the company is committed to specific technologies. Heck, even the push for some exploration into Quarkus / Micronaut / Standard JEE (Jakarta) didn't make it far, simply because *such is the company's expertise* . From that point on, the discussion is moot. Now, if you are building a project on your own, the sky is the limit of course.

@rand0mtv660 5 ай бұрын

This is the right answer. If your company/team has used a certain stack for last 5 years, you won't all of a sudden migrate for little to no benefit. Because grass might look greener initially on the other side, but once you dive deep into some technology, you will inevitably run into issues or edge cases that you have to solve or work around them. You won't just throw away X years of expertise with a certain technology. Where I work, we use .NET Core for backend and React (mostly Next.js) for frontend and it has served us well. We never considered using Next.js "backend capabilities" because backend team is just really proficient in C# and honestly, .NET Core is just way more capable out of the box for API related stuff. There are some things we like and dislike about the stack, but we would have our pros and cons no matter what stack we used. In the end, we are most productive using this and won't just randomly switch. We of course upgrade the way we do certain things as time goes on, but no major tech stack shifts because of hype or something like that.

@IntiMaldonado Ай бұрын

I guess it is official now. Laravel has made it! And I'm glad JS only developers are now understanding the advantages of using it ✌️

@LawrenceChege 5 ай бұрын

I would really love to see you do a tutorial on NestJS.

@marcuss.abildskov7175 5 ай бұрын

No, NestJS sucks ass. He should be looking at Deepkit instead.

@AsadAli-wi1xs 5 ай бұрын

Obviously Laravel 🔥

@reilwaystation4372 4 ай бұрын

Django, alphine, htmx gives me peace of mind from refactoring breaking changes every month

@bernardwodoame9850 Ай бұрын

Exactly my stack too.

@umitcelik5508 5 ай бұрын

I think like you said that like adonis.js, batteries included, frameworks we need for javascript community. Flexibility is good but after a point it can do more harm than good. In my opinion NestJS is our batteries included backend solution. I wish NextJS had offered a NestJS-like option as a backend solution.

@lardosian 5 ай бұрын

Why not just use Nest for the backend and Next for the frontend?

@2xxxtrem 5 ай бұрын

@lardosian: Because then it‘s not batteries included anymore and you are back gluing things together.

@rauldinho 5 ай бұрын

Waiting on that Laravel course!! 🔥

@enic-ma 5 ай бұрын

The best framework is no framework, levels would say that! Finally, getting the job done is the best framework!

@quizabox 5 ай бұрын

Symfony is another great php framework

@mijokristo8754 5 ай бұрын

Easy, Rails is the best!

@IvanRandomDude 5 ай бұрын

People spend more time debating which framework to use than building things. Here's the thing. If you are good developer you will build awesome things with Vanilla PHP and JQuery (like Levels). But if you are mediocre not even the most batteries included and modern framework will help you.

@TimoTalksTech 5 ай бұрын

People are seemingly exhausted on anything Javascript and I see a lot of pivoting to php/laravel and Django

@NoOverXplain 5 ай бұрын

The true mentor ... This is one that make sense on tech

@haryormedayjoshua281 5 ай бұрын

Adonis is a great option in JavaScript ecosystem I recently stumbled on and it's amazing and have a lot of features built-in and is just like Laravel but for JS. I don't have to start installing a bunch of libraries or anything.

@LinuxForLife 5 ай бұрын

For blazingly fast backend I personnaly prefer Rust (Axum + SeaORM + ...) . And indeed, Adonis JS is something that deserve more exposure, at first sight.

@MrXperx 5 ай бұрын

what are you doing in your backend that needs rust?

@train_xc 3 ай бұрын

The slowest decide the speed. For an application, it is not the backend framework but DB & DB Queries

@mtin79 5 ай бұрын

Used to use next.js but choose “remix run” now every time… never looked back 😊

@localLyricsPh 4 ай бұрын

Waiting for the PHP and Laravel course !!! Hoping to create separate course for PHP and Laravel 💕💕🥳🥳💯💯💯💯

@akashelhance167 4 ай бұрын

I think django rest framework DRF with next js is best as django provides admin panel and next js is for SEO

@kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk2643 6 күн бұрын

I like DRF+Next.js, but sometimes I want to try Laravel. Also, there are many PHP jobs in my area.

@vinnnduri7509 Ай бұрын

I came from RoR into Laravel and i can say its a wonderful framework that makes it quick to ship solutions. I will try Django just for the thrill but Laravel stands out

@mr_don_key 4 ай бұрын

what is often ignored, but important on the longer run of the app: upgrading laravel is too wonky, and it goes too fast in release cycles. (lots of breaking changes each version). constrast that to django, which is slower in new releases, and between versions has far less breaking changes over time. (and more documentation on upgrading, in a more concise manner)

@scott_itall8638 5 ай бұрын

Tried em all, Laravel is the GOAT!

@alphayowakarindi 5 ай бұрын

Welcome to Laravel guys! You'll love it 👌

@rod6722 5 ай бұрын

10:33 I haven't built anything with Adonis or Laravel (so take what I say with a grain of salt), but it seems like their solution to that is Inertia. Which enables you to use React (or any other UI library, like Vue or Svelte) on the frontend without having to build an API. That seems like the best of both worlds, as you can build all the same kinds of dynamic UIs you can with something like NextJS, but with a much more mature and cohesive backend.

@Edvard-Aliev 2 ай бұрын

Laravel + Filament = Strong! And laravel 74M$ is best!

@BeeBeeEight 5 ай бұрын

Maybe one of the reasons why JavaScript devs never really liked AdonisJS is its rigidly organized structure. After all, JavaScript devs do love their daily dose of messy dependencies that constantly get updated or buried in favor of new frameworks that appear every week 😂 Unlike PHP devs who love consistency and structure hence why they love Laravel so much 😉

@junaidkhankhan4260 4 ай бұрын

Yeah that's why I hate js ecosystem its so unstructured

@train_xc 3 ай бұрын

And so the reason Ember is not loved

@theanswer1993 5 ай бұрын

Angular + Nest.js ❤

@BeInsNow 5 ай бұрын

Spring Boot is the best choice 😀

@DirkZz 5 ай бұрын

I do wonder if javascript devs know about composer/psr and how with Laravel it is quite easy to extend or replace functionality with other options around.

@tafadzwahodera9052 5 ай бұрын

I'm addicted to Laravel l use it even for small project

@repotranstech 5 ай бұрын

Django is suitable for Fintech and e-commerce where I am majorly.

@omoyenikunle7909 5 ай бұрын

You can build this with any framework. I prefer laravel

@aronmosha3493 5 ай бұрын

Spring boot + Hilla is 🔥

@webdev_am 4 ай бұрын

What you think about NextJS, Typescript, Mongo DB?

@dawizze1 4 ай бұрын

So build SaaS course in laravel hopefully coming soon. Let's go!!!!

5 ай бұрын

I'll check adonis! I'll give it a chance!

@kalist8938 5 ай бұрын

I use Rails and I dont care about the hype of internet. With Hotwire i can build SPA like any other language.

@jimmynyasulu7933 5 ай бұрын

I find rails so amazing. Once you're into rails you can't consider substituting it with another framework at all. Its simply the best

@alsaamit 5 ай бұрын

Next course LARAVEL ??

@daniel_romero1 5 ай бұрын

I would be interested in the adonis course

@phil86_ 5 ай бұрын

Laravel is great, as well as Spring and NestJS

@rodjenihm 5 ай бұрын

Spring is great for backend but it really lacks modern frontend capabilities. It is still stuck with 2000s templating.

@haniramadhan678 4 ай бұрын

I prefer laravel and I don't mind use javascript as well for the frontend. Laravel is just so solid for backend, and for just simple interactivity, I can use alpine and livewire.

@samislam2746 4 ай бұрын

Nextjs is garbage for backend. I can't use it for backend I only use it for front end

@rohitjoshi1258 5 ай бұрын

Ruby on Rails ❤

@AliFrazK 5 ай бұрын

How can you ignore the competency of Django.

@jackdanielson1997 5 ай бұрын

I don’t understand this take that JS has too many options. You cannot avoid JavaScript if you are working on the web. You will have to make JS choices regardless. The question is do you also want to make Python, Ruby and PHP choices as well? Choosing an ORM for JS is much easier than trying to be good at 2 languages at the same time

@cant_sleeeep 5 ай бұрын

yeah i dont understand these guys. use java then losers

@ehm-wg8pd 5 ай бұрын

before i watch the video, here is my take the best framework is the one that gives you job and money to support your life / family

@nigel_decontie 5 ай бұрын

Adonis is super underrated

@josealbusneto 5 ай бұрын

And about Nuxt.js?

@birarakisarap 5 ай бұрын

Its really good Nuxt3 btw.

@СэрШпинат 5 ай бұрын

laravel is best, but vanilla php and symfony is underrated :) in many cases I would pick symfony.

@dacam29 5 ай бұрын

Nest has 65k stars and nobody talks about it, why?

@muhammadufo6023 5 ай бұрын

Nest.js & React.js

@eyilachewlema3130 5 ай бұрын

Dear maximilian plz prepare a full next js 14 course , please, with greate thanks

@armanamini1450 5 ай бұрын

Next js is a pain in the ass

@mattburgess5697 5 ай бұрын

IMO the biggest issue is that it’s sold as a replacement for an API rather than a solid Backend-for-framework.

@armanamini1450 5 ай бұрын

@@mattburgess5697 they have marketed it as a full-stack framework. and it's nowhere close to that

@bogaczew 5 ай бұрын

lavarel is php. it may be problem, introducing new language to stack

@iraqinationalist7778 5 ай бұрын

Definitely Laravel, for simplicity sake

@glennraya 5 ай бұрын

Laravel is the greatest framework ever made! Roast me for that. 😆

@ajaymanagaon 5 ай бұрын

You forgot .Net Core from Microsoft. Which is also best

@mohammadheydari6274 5 ай бұрын

Hey maximilian :) We love you courses and the way you teach. (from a geography no-one can think of :D "IRAN" ) We love to see your courses on Laravel topic ASAP.

@celotrovi 2 ай бұрын

What if you start from Laravel and then you need to build a mobile app for ios and android from your web app?

@reda_r 2 ай бұрын

You can build a REST API with Laravel

@tangsi721 4 ай бұрын

just one question: spring boot or laravel?

@exvimmer 5 ай бұрын

My current favorite thing is Go with react or HTMX.

@Howdyhowthis 5 ай бұрын

The eternal never ending question

@albaraa-bin-malek 5 ай бұрын

Hi Max, can you refer me to a resource where I can learn how to structure my Nextjs app regarding defining types? LIke I have the form data I send to a server action, which I create a type for and also the response of the server action, which I also create a type for. Also, should I include errors in the action response? Or throw them on the server? If I throw them on the server, is there a way to catch them and present the user with an error message? Thank you.

@shubhamsahuSD 5 ай бұрын

Laravel with Livewire anytime best combo

@OneBrighDay 5 ай бұрын

We need a Qwik course, there are no good ones out there that build real portfolio projects.

@QueeeeenZ 5 ай бұрын

I like Nuxt (Vue) amazing DX

@parrou3 5 ай бұрын

Any recommendation for nextjs course please ?

@leojohn6702 5 ай бұрын

Do you have a course of hosting nodejs, MySQL using aws?

@msulemvn 5 ай бұрын

Laravel ist eine Komplettlösung

@cant_sleeeep 5 ай бұрын

use nuxt

@sipocharles9180 5 ай бұрын

I would welcome an 🌟 Academind 🌟 Laravel/PHP course, and I reckon there's a good demand for it as well. 😎

@sohaibalvi6358 5 ай бұрын

Dear max please provide a course on udemy for laravel also updated php and my sql

@funnynews341 4 ай бұрын

Why not sveltekit?

@impactsongs 5 ай бұрын

Very good to see you coments Maximilian, i'm from Brazil and all courses that i have i study with you. For me i Love Laravel and i will never change for any framework out there, i have all the features that i want and of course i need a good JS for the front, so i just choose Vue.js because of the easy sintax. For me is I need SSR? Inertia with Vue.js or Nuxt 3 with Laravel on backend I need only back? Laravel And is just simple as that!