I hate angular . Vue JS and react are friendlier in my opinion . Next.js is great

This video encourage me to explore alternatives

There are plenty people who like Angular but they are not just as loud as React people on the internet 🤣🤣🤣

Spring boot + Hilla is 🔥

Hono is the best.

I've been through all of them. There is no competitor to Nest's architecture and simplicity. The thing is... Every Express/Koa/Fastify project looks absolutely different. It is not easy to get used to team's architecture, team's packages etc. Nestjs looks always the same - no matter the team - u know exactly what to do, where to do it and how. I also found decorator much more readable and structured functions than classic middleware approach which can get super messy.

I have used nestjs a lot, after started to angular on frontend opposite to react. It has a good architecture and scalability

I like to use something like Nitro or Hono.

Fun topic. Don't really agree on express being dominant because it was early to market or has loads of docs or modules or is popular. Otherwise we'd still be using Netscape, Flash, etc. It's dominant because, despite its flaws, it satisfies 99% of people's needs. If the need shifts and Express doesn't it will also end up on the scrap heap. Personally, I've got better things to do than spend more dev time on Express alternatives. If I run into one of its flaws and switching becomes the only option, only then will I consider it. The same reason why, for personal work, I moved off React.

When can we all expect a nest.js course ?

NestJS is just Java for those who are doomed to use JS. Please don't.

It's just because most teacher teaches using express js. And this is all students who downloaded it. If the student switch they choose different path and hence other framework has less download

im a beginner backend. should i start with express or nest ?

Adonis looks really cool

NestJS is we are using at work. Fastify Express being un opinionated are fine to being with for some short project but for decent enterprise level requirements where multiple people are working having a framework really required.

Fastify all day long... You can do amazing things and its fast as hell. Express is also good, more like tradition. In my company, we have the entire OS built on top of express and GraphQL that serves IIoT in Mercedes, BMW, Porche, Audi, etc. We have more than 50 microservices. There is no need for Nest and stupid abstractions if you know what are you doing. We did it very simple and its organized on another level that you cant even imagine. No fucking single bug and problem.

Honojs is 🚀

Express is an excellent Javascript library. You don't need anything more in JS. It is not a great Typescript library. The ecosystem is forked. I too am searching for something better to use with TypeScript, but TBH I'll probably just write my next project in Rust or Go with HTMX if I can. Meta frameworks are really cool, but I'm terrified of handling the complexity of maintaining an outdated NextJS app in 5-10 years. If I do decide to go with TS I'd probably use a thin express-based api layer due to its stability and ecosystem and my knowledge of it. It's not perfect, but it is easy to use.

I love Nestjs becuse it's great for big and complex projects .

I like hono because it runs basically everywhere

But nestjs uses express under the hood

I love NestJS I have used it for just 2 projects but I love it.

I use express because There’s such a strong community around it, for almost every app type you’re trying to build there’s most likely a GitHub repo that already has exactly what you need, with good folder structure and best practices. It just has so much community that it makes it so easy to set up and move on

I think people need to be less afraid of using AdonisJS. It's really good, people just get overwhelmed by the fact that things are built in. It takes a week and you'll be up and building your application way faster than building on top of the node server libraries.

Laravel is overhyped and just like WordPress plagued by this 'premium' 1st and 3rd party junk. I'm using Django. I wouldn't use Javascript for API because it involves too many 3rd party packages for do basic things and in my opinion over engineering is a huge issue in JavaScript.

ElysiaJS

I've been using AdonisJS for a few months now and it's just what I want right now.. I like the simplicity and the way everything is well thought out. But Express is a nice framework to learn.

What backend and database should you use for a tinder like mobile application with react native?

I use Nest because it resembles Java Spring to some extent

Why? Because of your course and made me a fan of express

I use Next.js a lot, but sometimes I pop in a simple express app to do something collateral to the next app and don't need a TON of stuff to make it work.

express was the first nodejs i learned while learning nodejs, also it gets the job done hence didn't bother learning other libraries as it becomes overwelming. Also given that express seems to be the standard with nextjs as well.

I would prefer Fastify or Hono as an alternative for simple frameworks...

bun elysia, its not even close

I work with both nestjs (past 3+ years ) and express ( past 10 years ) but if you ask me to choose between two as trustable solution , personally as of now i would prefer express due to the stablity of the framework ( it includes my trust in the framwork from my postive experince so far ) As for nestjs, even though i like the angular like well oranized structure and its fetaures, sometimes there are unprectable behaviour which causes problems like unwanted server crashes , especially after each update . Although for most cases its works great . Express.js is something i trust from past experince for reliablity , its does what it is asked too and i can predict what works and what don't Nest.js works great when it does , but sometimes suprise you with sudden kick in the balls ( something may not work as they are suposed to or used to after a framwork update ) I hope nestjs can achive the same stablity as express in coming years, i can alredy see improments

Adonisjs looks awesome 😍, thanks for the mentioning it

I left server side nodejs last week f it I hate it NestJS kept me for a long time, I was almost happy, it was great, but I just realized Laravel is better for me.

Express numbers are overinflated by bootcampers. I have worked on two separate backend projects in Node and one use Loopback 3 by IBM and other uses Hapi.Js

I inherited a NestJS project, it took 5 seconds to restart, which is completely impossible to work with. Hono is the GOAT

not agree with you max right now you must move from express and use framework like nestjs because it help so much to developed clean projects also if you see benchmarks express is one of the slowest frameworks out there nestjs use express behind but at least you have much more cleaner project and you also can change it to fastify

Express was built with a lot of flexibility in mind and that's why even other high-end frameworks only add opinion on top of it. It's middleware architecture makes it easy to build plugins and extend it's capabilities. You can still have DI without nestjs if you properly use available libraries like inversify. I can summarise it that it's quite easy to pick up and build complexities along the way. That way the learning curve is not steep for Junior devs and also it's stability now plays a key role

Because usually when I need a webserver, Im actually building something else and I want something that I already know will do the job. Which sucks because Express isn't amazing in many ways. Just at that point in time I dont want to be blocked from progressing on the main thing Im working on to learn a new thing

Hono

Hono JS is also another NodeJS framework that I see has potentials. I did not find you mentioned it. What is your take on hono.js and May be a course on it. Just may be...😊

Nestjs use express under the hood, you can also switch to fastify later if you want. Nestjs is very good when you need order, and it's customizable when you know how to use it properly.

Laravel no question. I love NextJS with Laravel. Reason why is I get to use all the incredible tools in the ecosystem. If there is a huge budget then NextJs stack like T3. But for ultrafast prototyping Laravel plus NextJS.

or HONO JS (most important)

I prefer to build my own meta-framework on top of express with some very clean patterns and middleware that any developer can jump into and understand.

I am not using javascript in the backend because it simply isn't as fast or robust as using swift/vapor or c#/asp.netcore which are my preferred frameworks for the backend. I have been blessed to not have a backend framework written in Node.js/javascript thrust on me much in the last 6 years or so.

I don't like Nest.js, probably cause of it's decorators or dependency injections ( love angular though ). I like fastify with typescript, also hono. I use express cause my senior make that decision for me