Spot on. Years of professional experience, under the most dangerous circumstances giving advice there.
@g1llifer Жыл бұрын
I've always been concerned about overpenetration with a rifle for home defense. I need to get more training with my pistol.
@GuacIsExtra99 Жыл бұрын
It’s always a concern of mine especially after I looked up videos of 9mm going through a bunch of dry wall lol. I think a 20 gauge wouldn’t penetrate as much
@jacksarebetter5 жыл бұрын
Larry I just wanted to say you are looking good sir. I'm a fellow vet and us guys have to work harder to stay in shape after we get out of the military. Whatever you have been doing, keep it up
@ccwsafe6 жыл бұрын
Respectful disagreement is accepted. Disrespectful insulting comments will result in you being banned and relegated back to your moms basement with the other trolls.
@bldlightpainting6 жыл бұрын
Yep. Grow up boys and learn to communicate respectfully and intelligently like real men, not spewing disgusting filth like some uneducated street thug raised by drug addicts. "Profanity proves neither toughness nor intelligence, only a lack of self-control, respect, morals, maturity, language skills and character."
@Robert.Deeeee5 жыл бұрын
@@bldlightpainting how dare you?!? My parents were some of the finest street thug drug addicts you could hope to meet.
@elchuzalongo43394 жыл бұрын
@@Robert.Deeeee lmao
@nikolai36204 жыл бұрын
@@bldlightpainting Why did you put that last sentence in quotations? Who said it first? Also, not to rain on your parade or anything, but science has actually suggested that swearing actually correlates with higher language skill and intelligence.
@johnnypranin58743 жыл бұрын
A defensive handgun skillset is indeed essential! The very first defensive firearm skillset I ever developed was a handgun skillset with my 1911 Colt .45
@DaddyHawksToyBox6 жыл бұрын
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch did a short video illustrating the relative length of a carbine/shotgun versus a pistol in an fully extended grip. Depending on barrel length, the extended pistol at arms length was as long as a shouldered carbine or shotgun. Of course, pistol is easier to “tuck in” for maneuvering but the rifle packs more punch and will be easier to shoot well for a given skill level than a pistol.
@Vato-Psyko-Loko6 жыл бұрын
Larry Vickers equals words of wisdom.
@someolddude70762 жыл бұрын
I kind of agree. While the shotgun is of limited capacity, it is by far the easiest to use as a bludgeoning object when you run out. That being said, I do like the idea of a pistol caliber carbine ( like a CZ scorpion, or similar) perhaps with some liberty civil defense 50 grain 2000+ FPS ammo. Add in a suppressor to protect the bad guys hearing, and that might be a winner.
@johnd43486 жыл бұрын
Agree 100 percent on topic. However on the shotgun you are limited by ammo capacity but when shots start going off most home intruders quickly start looking for an exit. They don't hang around and engage people in a fire fight. Watch almost any survallence video of armed robberies and when someone starts firing back the criminals are out the door fast. So a shot gun may not be the best weapon but if your trained you may not need that many rounds to defend yourself.
@wileytw556 жыл бұрын
I agree. And how many are you expecting to be breaking in? I doubt if there will be more than two or three. Don't see why you need 30 rounds. One blast from a 12 ga. and they will be trampling each other to get out of there.
@ericsierra-franco78026 жыл бұрын
I agree. Vickers is conflating military combat with a citizen confronting home Intruders. Hardly the same set of circumstances. I will keep my shotgun for home defense. It has acceptable range and penetration for a home defense weapon; plus great intimidation value. Additionally, if you live in an anti-gun locale authorities cannot tar you with using an "assault weapon" should you need to use it.
@davidrpriest6 жыл бұрын
Find me a shooting that someone was using a shotgun with buckshot and fired 6 ( many shotguns hold more ) accurate rounds and had to reload and lost that gun fight. You can't. Shotguns stop fights with almost always 1 round per bad guy. Home defense is almost always 10 yards or less. That is the perfect range for a shotgun. Unless you are very high risk ( you solved the JFK assassination? ) or are expecting home invasion by 5 or more well armed killers ( Scarface? ), the shotgun will get it done. Your wife can even use a 20 gauge with buckshot and it will work. Nothing wrong with a reliable semi-auto rifle either. I don't recommend pistols for home defense. Concealment is not an issue so use a long gun. Pistols are weak and if you are facing someone with a long gun who has any skill, you will probably be killed.
@jimbob73326 жыл бұрын
I think his main point here is that the advantage of more rounds and one less thing to worry about is a better trade off. With a rifle/carbine the same thing holds true if you start engaging them they will run however if they don't you're ability to reload quickly effectively and under pressure is much higher with a magazine feed style weapon versus the single loading manual of arms for a shotgun. All that being said I am a huge fan of shotguns and carbines and I have always said if you need to reload you better be under cover and before some one spouts off and says well i can quad load my shotgun so fast... well that is nice in a controlled environment where your life is not at risk. Gross motor skills vanish in a fire fight you have to understand that for most of his adult life Mr. Vickers placed himself in situations like that and is speaking from experience. Go run a few sprints and do some push ups then try to load a shotgun in a dark room is it possible sure is it ideal during a fight for your life or your families life? No! There is a reason that rifles/carbines are still the weapon of choice for most force on force encounters they work, they have low recoil, the have better ergonomics, they are accurate, with proper round selection they are one shot stops( in some cases engage till the threat is no longer a threat) The have a smaller learning curve. Rifles/carbines are all around easier to use for most people regardless of training levels. Now YMMV and this was in no way to say you are wrong and each person must select the tool that best suits them.
@calebmelton59895 жыл бұрын
Well that's true...until it isnt
@graywind43263 жыл бұрын
I want long gun primary, with a handgun and spare mag on me as well. Want something to transition to if it comes to it.
@StJohn7246 жыл бұрын
I would enjoy hearing what his thoughts would be if Magazine size was not as big an issue. I live in a state where 10 round mags rules.
@rustysruger5 жыл бұрын
I use a Freedom Ordnance FX-9 8in. With G9, 80 gr. 1480 fps. external hollow points..for home..
@Mr.56Goldtop6 жыл бұрын
We need recommendations on which carbines suit this purpose the best, and is affordable to most everybody.
@guestimator1214 жыл бұрын
I suppose all of that depends from the country/state/town you live in? For example, in my country if you pull out an AR-15 on a burglar and kill him it's far more likely they will put you on trial for manslaughter than if you've pulled out a Glock, because you need to show you weren't overstepping the necessary amount of force to defend yourself. It's literally written in the law like that, it's called "overstepping necessary defense".
@seabeebuilder14866 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input Larry!
@StepbyStepGunTraining6 жыл бұрын
Ruger pc Carbine 9mm with GLOCK mags is a great choice. The 16” barrel makes it almost as quiet as a suppressed 7”. Much less likely to suffer permanent hearing loss. Remember no matter how legally justified your defensive use, Law Enforcement will need to take the gun you used.
@franknash78786 жыл бұрын
Good to see him dropping weigjt. Not surprised.
@Madmanmarque6 жыл бұрын
As a California resident (and please no Komifornia comments) I'm limited to a 10 round magazine. I've used and trained with a 1911 45 ACP for the last 30 years and wonder if it would be a big advantage to go to an AR considering the restrictions?
@dirigoelectric6 жыл бұрын
Pistol caliber carbine? Or AR style pistol. 11” barrel.
@fanman716 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Can't tell you how many people keep on saying shotgun, shotgun, shotgun. Even when discussing the reasons that you point out, they refuse to acknowledge that reasoning. Also most people claim to use 00 Buck, but at most room distances, it doesn't spread nearly as much as people think.
@simonvance80545 жыл бұрын
Great advice thanks for sharing your experience to help average people Larry..
@jemrl6 жыл бұрын
Great advice Larry, the only thing I would like to add in my country assault rifles are band for civilians. So is any kind of military style training with hand guns, so the only way you can get good training is to go overseas because the firearm ranges don't teach you tactical training. Who shoots standing still at the bad guy, there is usually a lot of moving around, but correct me if I am wrong
@nelsonrushton6 жыл бұрын
In favor of a shotgun: it is the only weapon where the average civilian can get consistent practice shooting moving targets under time pressure (e.g., clays, rabbits, birds), and the bad guys may be moving. I am curious how often someone loses a home-defense gunfight because he runs out of ammo in a shotgun. I've never heard of a case myself.
@gc5Hayward6 жыл бұрын
Nelson Rushton right on sir! The average homeowner has enough limitations but as you stated the shotgun is one weapon they have more experience with. BY THE WAY the statistics reflect what you said.
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
Shotguns are for people who don't want to train enough, and worry about hitting moving targets..
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
What will you do when you have to take a headshot over your wives shoulder at the end of the hallway? Buy an M4.
@five51055 жыл бұрын
Ranger T What? I wouldn't trust myself with anything trying to shoot over a loved one's shoulder. Too much of a risk.
@gomuscup21625 жыл бұрын
Ranger T we have a rambo here !!
@fujimi7154 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think a 10.5in 5.56 is a great choice for home defense/CQB. If the person is not very experienced or trained id recommend a pistol carbine.
@snowgorilla97896 жыл бұрын
As you are more than competent on all platforms which would you choose in a small single level home maximum range 15 feet
@davegass16506 жыл бұрын
Looking good Larry . Have you been on a diet ? I have bought some of your products to improve my VP9 . Great stuff !!!
@calebmelton59895 жыл бұрын
So you prefer the pistol caliber carbine over the rifle Larry?
@GaveMeGrace16 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@jmyguzzi6 жыл бұрын
SBRs and bullpups can bring rifle lethality and capacity to the fight while being more manuverable than a typical 16 in carbine
@ericsierra-franco78026 жыл бұрын
James Giaguzzi It also brings rifle levels of penetration with it. If you live in the boondocks, maybe a good choice. In urban or suburban areas it has prohibitive range and penetration. Pistol caliber carbines would obviously be the exception.
@jmyguzzi6 жыл бұрын
Eric Sierra-Franco .223 overpenetration is a myth. Numerous articles state 9mm penetrates more.
@emersonbolen7845 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always Larry!
@GeorgiaBoy19616 жыл бұрын
Larry, thank you for an informative video. Your thinking is always so logical and well-reasoned. Concerning carbines as a choice for home defense, do you believe them to be appropriate choices for people who live in built-up, high population density areas - cities and suburbs, homes with near neighbors, or even an apartment or condor townhome? Concerns about over-penetration are why many people shy away from carbines for home defense. What types of ammunition should users run in a standard rifle-caliber carbine or even in a pistol-caliber one? As you know, the firearm owner is responsible for every shot he fires, no matter what it hits or where it goes. Would very much be interested in your thinking about ammunition and how to make an appropriate choice given one's circumstances and living arrangements. Thanks again, Larry - you rock!
@adamhlas37006 жыл бұрын
Good info, thank you for the post. [Larry looks operational again!]
@roberthaxton98876 жыл бұрын
I’ve been toying around with the idea of an AK as primary home defense weapon of choice. Thoughts?
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
Get an M4 like a real American.
@kirbymoffatt96105 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not it's carbine skills im struggling with
@seanwhite3046 жыл бұрын
Hey LAV I know a carbine is your choice but what barrel length is optimal for HD. Me personally I'm a huge fan of the MK18 but I always grab my BCM 11.5"HF or DD 12.5" almost every time..
@SkullKing118415 жыл бұрын
I would add that a carbine is harder to take off you because of the sling vs a handgun. A handgun to be fired effectively at anything but a point blank target need the arms to be fully extended making the muzzle of the handgun at about the point where the muzzle of a shotgun would be so there greater manuvarability isnt a huge thing. A carbine or shotgun can be maneuverable if you get some training on how to do it. A rifle caliber carbine and a shotgun is more likely to incapacitate a threat faster than a pistol caliber carbine or handgun.
@Spectre4076 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid Lar.
@BenderIsGreat34643 жыл бұрын
I live in a magazine restricted state (CT) so either way I have 10 rounds in a pistol, or 10 rounds in a rifle.. rifle all day for me
@umami02476 жыл бұрын
Great advice and again it’s all about training!!!
@BeSafeCCW6 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion Larry and my thought exactly. I'm an NRA fully fledged (not a counselor) instructor for the last 15 years and a CCW instructor for the last 9, I have trained over 3,500 folks from all walks of life and skill set is so important (dry fire) but unfortunately, most people don't take the time to hone their skills. Of course that's where I come in for periodic reminders (which I do for my students). On the home defense firearm(s), I have always had a 12 gauge to the ready (cruiser ready) but when I started attending professional training facilities, it didn't take long for that to change to the carbine platform. All of my defensive firearms have lights on them and next to my go to location, I have a level IIIA bullet resistant vest and Peltor P6's electronic headphones - gives me super hearing and protection to boot! Just subscribed to your channel....keep 'em coming! (Always a student, sometimes a teacher)... Rick
@kravenofspider6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Also, +1 for that table! I like the coach gun myself.
@Puzzoozoo6 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with having a big dog that doesn't like strangers in your home? Dogs can see, hear and smell better then a human can, they can also move quicker and quieter then a human can, and 80 lbs of angry dog coming at you is not to be trifled with, especially if there is more then one of them guarding your home - at night. Plus the racket of a dog going at an intruder can wake the whole house.
@beetleything18645 жыл бұрын
Puzzoozoo walking them. Picking up there poop etc 🤷♂️
@tacticalcrusader37094 жыл бұрын
An intruder or gang of intruders with guns will neutralize a dog pretty easily.
@thechinadesk6 жыл бұрын
Undeniably accurate assessment of the pros and cons of each firearm form factor. Bottom line? An AR variant with a short barrel and a 30 round mag is probably the optimum solution.
@JustSumGuy016 жыл бұрын
Bevin Chu plus a suppressor
@ericsierra-franco78026 жыл бұрын
Be careful your rounds don't kill your neighbors when they end up penetrating their home. Look to a pistol caliber carbine instead. If you live in the boonies with no neighbors around....then the AR should do. If you live in a densely populated area, then it would be best to consider something with less range and penetration.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15956 жыл бұрын
Eric Sierra-Franco Anything that will punch through a person will punch through several walls.
@ericsierra-franco78026 жыл бұрын
Elliot White Yes, but a rifle round will most certainly have greater range and penetration than a pistol cartridge. Buckshot has tremendous penetration in very limited distances. A rifle cartridge has the twin liabilities of excessive range and excessive penetration....and that is unequivocal. Additionally, with the excellent selection of expanding ammunition on the market for pistols, including frangible ammo, it's much more likely those rounds would stay in the attacker's body rather than passing cleanly through.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15956 жыл бұрын
That depends on the load. FBI figured out that certain 5.56 rounds penetrate less than handgun rounds. Why do you think pistol caliber carbines are being replaced by SBRs amongst LE? www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=26 www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=26 www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/81035-mini-14-home-defense.html Granted, you have to pick the right load. You won't get these results with M855, and possibly with M193.
@59BigWalt6 жыл бұрын
True. Also, the carbine may go down in the fight due to malfunction and you have to transition to your pistol.
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
You aren't going to be wearing a belt and holster at 3am lol. If your carbine will malfunction while clean, inside the first mag then junk that shit and buy a BCM or Colt lol
@ltribley4 жыл бұрын
Fast forward 2 years. Shotguns: We now see a proliferation of semi-auto 12ga shotgun platforms, an excellent example being the Russian Saiga based KALASHNIKOV USA KS-12T - 12GA TACTICAL SHOTGUN. It has 10 round interchangeable magazines like any other AK and can easily be set up to be “home defense ready” with scopes, lights, laser, etc. There are also AR variants. PCC: Similarly, we have a number of new short barrel PCC's ranging anywhere from 4.5 to 11 inches. Compact, lightweight, with braces, 30 round magazines and fully combat configurable. Excellent examples included the 9mm CZ Scorpion and KALASHNIKOV USA KP-9 9mm Russian Vityaz replica. There are also other manufacturers offering versions chambered in 5.56 and 7.62 though one could question their use in home closed quarters events due to their excessive penetration, use of barrel breaks knowing most people will not have time to don hearing protection. With these new platforms, and evolution of existing ones, how would you in 2020, rank them for home defense along with any other analysis you have reflecting developments since the original video?
@darekmaciasz97646 жыл бұрын
Tawor or definite pistol carbine. Great analysis Bóg Zapłac na wieki wieku Amen
@indy16986 жыл бұрын
You're almost there. The Very Best Home Defense Tool is a reliable 5.56/223 Bullpup. It has round capacity, you can mount lights and laser, and it's Much Shorter /compact and "Maneuverable" than an M4 and has the same round velocity! The Steyer AUG, the Tavor or the best one is Keltecs new RDB. People are waking up to the advantages of the Bullpup. You can hold an RDB in one hand... and open a door with the other to clear a house like a pistol. And on top of that, with an Aimpoint you're also good to 300 yards if need be. If you could just conceal carry the Damn Thing, you could throw the rest away!
@michaelbierlein56422 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@RAvery416 жыл бұрын
Agree on most but respectfully disagree on the Shotgun, most fire fights with an active shooter are very short and I have been in several, I was very comfortable with the shotgun with .00 buckshot, one in the chamber 4 in the magazine may give you only 5 rounds but with 9 pellets to each shell you have a wide area in a kill zone and even at close range the bad guy will not get up. Having said that I agree on expertise with any and all handguns. Semi-auto or revolver, limitations on both as you know and do agree on the Bravo M-4. 11 years in the Army and 33 in LE I have had my share but your comments are good. Home defense in my opinion the greatest advantage is the training of the home owner and his emotional ability to remain calm which can be done through pre-planning and the expectations that his family is also trained to stay out of the way. Finally, the emotional ability to take a human life and not stop to think about it until you and your family are all safe.
@BulletSpoung6 жыл бұрын
I like an AR or AK pistol with a quality light, red dot and a single point sling. I like a single point because it's much tougher for someone to twist me up in the sling and it helps keep the gun pointed at them and not me. If the gun will run 250 to 500 rds. without a hang-up of any kind I'm good to go.
@scrider84646 жыл бұрын
Seldom see the discussion of needing a can on HDW. Firing rifle in a room; your hearing and any family that is with you will prob not be able to hear any commands you give or what they may say to you. Of course, threat will not have a can and if he shoots you do have the same problem.
@MrHav1k4 жыл бұрын
Cans are mandatory for home defense. We need to get those (and SBRs) off the NFA.
@tacticalcrusader37094 жыл бұрын
I would actually slightly disagree on a shotgun being really that simple to operate. The manual of arms for a pump action shotgun is a bit more involved than a carbine or striker fired pistol.
@jonilenov82916 жыл бұрын
what about a sub machine-gun? wouldn't that be a merge of the H.G. caliber and the carbine magazine capacity? plus SMG are more compact than carbines so you get a bit higher maneuverability. is't that a possible option for home defense?
@620ronin6 жыл бұрын
nfa rules make this option prohibitive
@jonilenov82916 жыл бұрын
OK, I understood :) I don't live in the US I do not know the rules and laws regarding firearms. I just watched the video and asked a question. thank you both for answering. getting back to the topic, is your version of MP5 can be a good compromise instead of having both a handgun and an M4?
@canabox71126 жыл бұрын
Most gun fights involve three or less rounds fired
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
"Most". If you wanna bet on that, have fun. "Most" people never get their legs ripped off by a shark either, but you bet your ass that "most" doesn't matter when it happens lol
@NebulousCat4 жыл бұрын
The AR pistol is the best
@adjustablehammer37496 жыл бұрын
i think the pistol cal carbine is better than a rifle round less chance of if you miss it doest go next door and kill your neighbours or something
@MikeM47296 жыл бұрын
I’ve read that most of the pistol carbines can’t reliably feed HPs. Is that true? What can?
@markdittell6 жыл бұрын
On the types of firearms you talk about you are correct HOWEVER one class of firearms was totally left out of the picture the BULLPUP, I.e. bullpup rifle or bullpup shotgun. In stance, and maneuverability the bullpup is far SUPERIOR to all other weapons for home defence, the bullpup is 10 inches less protruding than a pistol and even less than a rifle including carbine. They require no special tax. Have full length barrels close to body center of mass extreamly close body mechanics and have full length velocities.
@paulbarclay41146 жыл бұрын
Bullpups in general are pretty shitty. An ar15 "pistol" or PCC is superior to every bullpup in terms of functionality and reliability, especially when you compare any given price point. Furthermore when youre talking about home defense over penetration is a serious problem.
@markdittell6 жыл бұрын
Paul Barclay. Go look at IWI X95,
@paulbarclay41146 жыл бұрын
Ive looked at it plenty. Its less reliable than an ar15. Its overpriced, nitpicky about ammo, and parts are not largely available. It also requires a lot of maintenance, is prone to piston fouling and is a "closed system" which is great when youre in the sandbox, but also means if you dont keep it clean its gonna break down on you. It doesnt like suppressors. Its less accurate than a high end ar15 at the same price point. If you keen a good ar15 BCG lubed up and do no other maintenance it will continue to fire through the entire life cycle of the weapon (30,000 rounds+). A tavor will break down before you hit 1000 rounds.
@markdittell6 жыл бұрын
Paul, This is about HOME defense, not the "sandbox" however since the sandbox subject was brought up, the IWI X95 takes the heritage of the very successful Tavor and lessons learned from a "military grade" weapon, one that is made for the worst conditions on the planet. There is only one series of firearms that run harder in all climates and conditions the AK-47, Yes they are expensive as a MID-range priced AR rifle, the IWI X95 feeds all ammo yes even Tulla, their trigger system works and works well, for those who are picky they can be tuned let's stick to real use. We aren't talking a 3 gun weapon for home defense, WHO would use theirs for that. The X95 is a very good choice or home defense, Bullpups present the home defender as less of a open target, the weapon is MUCH harder to disarm the home defender, better balance, better posture, AS a former anti-terrorist special forces team member with real world experiences working with Israel Defense Fores (we were jealous as heck of the Tavor). The IDF used to teach the American military just how stupid we were with how we viewed our weapons with a very simple tool, a 3 ft. ruler. They'd take the 3 ft ruler place it against the soldier and show this is just how much "we expose ourselves" with pistols and rifles (give or take a few inches plz don't nick pick the point) and way more with shotguns. Where the Tavor exposes less than half of that, it has built in rails for lights and laser. The IDF has been about urban defense and that setting. Home defense is urban defense on a personal level. I was quite mused when mentioning Full length velocities, and then over penetration is mentioned against the bullpup, over penetration should have been mentioned as a negative in the article against any rifles but it wasn't. This is where choosing the right ammo is everything! Or consider the 300 BLK yes the IWI X95 has them as well. I can except it may not be your personal choice based upon your personal feelings however looking at the full spectrum of choices a good reliable bullpup such as the IWI X95 is an excellent choice!
@paulbarclay41146 жыл бұрын
A tavor costs as much as TWO BCM ar15s. I dont consider bcm to be "mid range." Know what else runs great in any climate? An AR15. A Tavor feeds cheap ammo, then it jams up like a motherfucker in every possible way. Its designed as a closed system to keep out sand and other environmental factors which is great if youre taking it out on a mission then cleaning it every time. Do you think the average home defense civilian wants to deal with that? I certainly dont. The tavor also has SERIOUS accuracy problems. The IDF cracks me up when they compare their raids on rock throwing Palestinians to any kind of serious military action. I was talking about over penetration being a serious problem for any rifle, not just a bullpup. Where I live, for example, If I discharged ANY rifle in my house the round is going through the wall, going into my neighbors house, through 3-4 of their walls, out the other side, and into another neighbors house. I use a g19 with hollow point ammo specifically for that reason. Unless a gang of street thugs breaks in I should be OK.
@Alkemyst4266 жыл бұрын
I would disagree partly on the shotgun. Some of the newer larger capacity shotguns might serve the purpose well. Point taken on reloading in the middle of a fight, though. Love the pistol carbine idea or the rifle carbine. Zero argument on developing handgun skills. so, so necessary...enjoyed the video...
@tonydeaton28903 жыл бұрын
Hard to miss with a shotgun though Larry. Love you buddy.
@Mr.56Goldtop6 жыл бұрын
SUBSCRIBED!
@johnnypranin58746 жыл бұрын
Actually, you can reload a shotgun, just take cover. Whether you're reloading a handgun, carbine, or shotgun, TAKE COVER!! Do not expose yourself to your opponent's line of fire(if he has a gun that is)
@LongNguyen-fp8ri6 жыл бұрын
California, all magazines are 10-round. So carbine is not an option. Plus small house in crowded neighborhoods. Best is handgun for home defense in city area. If you live in urban area, ar-15 is a better choice. Again, 10 rounds max.
@seancrooker67716 жыл бұрын
10 rounds in a rifle is still far better then 17 in a handgun. And what is the difference a city area and an urban area?
@LongNguyen-fp8ri6 жыл бұрын
Sean Crooker The houses in my neighbor are roughly 15-20 feet apart. Over penetration is not an option.
@seancrooker67716 жыл бұрын
5.56 rifles with the right ammo penetrate less then most handgun bullets
@paulbarclay41146 жыл бұрын
Thats not even remotely true. 5.56 penetrates like a motherfucker. WAY more than most handgun calibers.
@LongNguyen-fp8ri6 жыл бұрын
Sean Crooker simply look at speed, 3000 fps compare to 1000 fps. Let’s say they’re both JHP.
@canemason24286 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@RandomUser-sf9nl4 жыл бұрын
Respectfully disagree... 12 g uage is the most versatile, affordable, user friendly, can be used on predators 2 or 4 legged.
@kcmiles98325 жыл бұрын
You can tell Larry has bern PT'ing! He looks a lot healthier :)
@zechnarwilliams80196 жыл бұрын
well i have to disagree with your assessment of the shotgun sir! I do agree with the lethality of it. You can get extended tubes and if 30 people were attacking my house i would agree. It is not enough, but is an ar enough at that absurd level of the number of attackers? And you can top off a shotgun in between use. It is how you train, not just having rudimentary knowledge of a gun and employing it. You better train people, if you are serious. If you are not, that is ok too.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15956 жыл бұрын
Zechnar Ramadon The nice thing about ARs though is, once you load it, that’s it. No racking the slide every shot, no slug changeovers. You can load it, and then just focus on fighting to protect yourself. Even if it is just 2 or 3 or 4 guys, ARs are easy to shoot, and make for faster follow up shots.
@zechnarwilliams80196 жыл бұрын
yes sir i realize that, i own a few of them. I am speaking for those that are new to it. They own a shotgun and think now, "well it just can not be done with this implement. Yes it can and has been for a hundred years. That was my only point sir. you are well armed with a shotgun. You have to keep your head and have training. The only thing i left out, nobody wants to get shot. If you had to however, would you want to be shot in a non vital area with an 5.56 or a 12ga. round with 1-00 buck in it. I know the answer, no response required.
@quitepossible44986 жыл бұрын
DragonSlayer2014 training will help with making accurate shots 18th a shotty.
@quitepossible44986 жыл бұрын
DragonSlayer2014 that sucks. People have been making precise shots with shottys for decades. There is a video of a recent LEO doing just that with a hostage inch’s away. She was fine. No “errant” pellet. I’m thinking you got shorted on your training. No biggie...we can’t win ‘em all.
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
Have fun with that shotgun when the badguy has your wife at the end of the hallway, and you have only a headshot... What are you going to do then??? Oh yeah, you will drop your weapon when he tells you to, and then be at the mercy of the man you COULD have shot if you would have just manned up and bought a good M4.... That, or blow half your wifes face off with part of the shotgun pattern, because you were a little off on how much you thought it would spread.
@otisnelson38606 жыл бұрын
whats your thoughts on a p90 for home defence?😂
5 жыл бұрын
Great if you have the sbr version But that long ass barrel is ridiculous on the normal ones
@PHIllip3243 жыл бұрын
Pistol-caliber carbines are okay, but the 5.7 round is only really good for velocity, not damage. If your attacker is wearing armor (highly unlikely), sure. Otherwise, get a 9mm pistol or a 5.56 rifle.
@danieltownley71336 жыл бұрын
Being English my home defence is limited to a frying pan or a golf club. Plus side is no need to reload. Downside, I live in a country where the scumbags have more rights than me. Tony Martin, case in point. Stay free you bunch of yanks, you're the last bastion of personal liberty.
@nova68cutie3 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree with the shotgun part. The shoot gun for people with less than an ideal skill set & or newer shooters would far more likely than not benefit from it. Your aim still must be somewhat decent but it does compensate for mild inaccuracies in ways no other gun will. Even the Mossberg 500 or 590 or a Remington 870 tac 14 holds 8 or more rounds. I certainly don't recommend not also having a backup hadgun. In most real world senareos & according to most reports, that would be 70 + % all homeowners (or appartment dwellers) would every need to come out on top of the situation. Just a disclaimer. I am not a fudd. In fact far from it. I just want people especially people new to the firearm scene to have the best chance/possible outcome. Once they become more proficient with handguns & rifels then things change i think. A perfect example would be my 79 yr old aunt or my sister who Is not a big fan of gun. If they were concerned for their safety due to whatever reason I would not hand them a glock 19 or a p320 Sig or even an AR platform. I would hand them my tac 14 or my Mossberg 590 or 500 or perhaps my Winchester defender. The Winchester & the Mossberg have a 10 round capacity even when loading 2 3/4 loads so reloading will not likely be an issue unless there being robbed by 5 + people all holding & are prepared for a shootout which again far more often than not, not likely. Not saying not possible as it has happened.
@savirien42664 жыл бұрын
What if you live in an apartment building with several other families? I'd rather not let a projectile zip through a burglar, then a wall, then through someone innocent... So my rifles are out of the question. My viable options seem to be either my shotgun loaded with birdshot or a pistol with frangible ammo (like what air marshals carry).
@MrHav1k4 жыл бұрын
This is debatable. Some say 223 (just an example) is moving so fast that when it hits a wall it will disintegrate. The testing I've seen doesn't jive with that, but anything you'll defend your life with is going to have the potential to go through walls. A rifle is easier to shoot and will make it more likely you'll hit what you're aiming at.
@redcrown06944 жыл бұрын
This guy is an assault trooper therefore he chose carbine, which is over kill. Handgun is the most practical.
@MrHav1k4 жыл бұрын
I agree a handgun will be more practical, but to say a carbine is overkill is just stupid. You have no idea who the fuck has broken into your house, how many of them there are, what they have, or what they are there for. Give me the higher lethality and ease of use of the rifle space permitting (IE, if you live in a small apartment a handgun makes sense).
@yankeetothebone72996 жыл бұрын
Holy crap Larry! You lost a crap ton of weight. Good for you.
@uwe9mm6933 жыл бұрын
Have both a Mossberg pump shotgun 12 gauge and a Glock 29 SF 10mm pistol. They'll be no No NO luck for them if they try 💀☠💀☠
@Thunderbolt22A106 жыл бұрын
Rifles/Carbines all the way IMHO
@Osprey19946 жыл бұрын
Holy weight loss Batman.
@SpaceBanana696 жыл бұрын
I'm in Cali , no sbr,s here ,will go for my Glock first
@danielfewkes87766 жыл бұрын
Just some advice. If you gonna do a home invasion don't pick larry Vickers house...
@johncast95656 жыл бұрын
Keep the carbine under my pillow got it 👍
@hillshepherd94446 жыл бұрын
Except here, in Cuomo N.Y., no matter what you're only allowed 10 rounds in a mag. But I'm with you on the shot gun comment. Very unwieldy.
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
An AR with 10 rounds is still better, and much faster to reload regardless.
@americanmilitiaman885 жыл бұрын
I dont think the shotgun is a good choice. Of course any gun is better than none. But if you dont train regularly it can let you down. Short stroking a pump shotgun and rechambering a spent round can happen easily. My personal choice is my glock 19 with streamlight. I can open doors account for my family and illuminate the threat and turn them off. Next choice would be a AR style or pistol carbine. But the key is train train train never stop
@MerryChristmasDec255 жыл бұрын
Don't trust the wicked. They're lurking. Own a good firearm. Otherwise after you become victim, you''ll just want pity from other people.
@fanbatcher4 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as home defense. There is only personal defense in a home setting. No where can you use deadly force to protect personal property.
@iCoolaxe6 жыл бұрын
might as well get a minigun, won't run out of ammo with that!
@guestimator1214 жыл бұрын
+iCoolaxe but you might run out of burglars to shoot :-(
@freeze16176 жыл бұрын
have to disagree, for me, I think a handgun is the way to go. I have a P09 in the nightstand with two 21 mags. Does a AR hit harder? yes. Does a AR have more rounds? yes. But for me with kids I dont want one of my AR's leaning on the wall ready to go or mag in not chambered. I dont want my kids thinking they live in some high risk of life war zone
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
Rofl... Better man up and teach them that the AR isn't some big scary war gun that you can only have in "some high risk of life war zone".
@ericsierra-franco78026 жыл бұрын
I don't think rifles or carbines are a good choice for home defense; with a couple caveats. In you live in a rural area, the more rural the better, a rifle or carbine is most likely acceptable as a home defense weapon. In urban and suburban areas they have prohibitive range and penetration. You don't want to accidentally shoot your neighbors due to rounds penetrating their home or the apartment building down the street. You are asking for major legal trouble in such a scenario; as well as your conscience. A pistol caliber carbine is the exception here.
@synystur216 жыл бұрын
You need to research the "penetrating walls" idea that is so common here on KZbin. There's a lot of good information in video and in text about .223/5.56 and how it works in the home, even an apartment.
@ericsierra-franco78026 жыл бұрын
Mark Chaverri Maybe? It's sounds dubious to me. I think AR manufacturers would like you to think that .223 is acceptable for home defense. I believe it's a marketing strategy more than anything; without regard to public safety.
@quitepossible44986 жыл бұрын
The "tumbling" characteristics of good defensive 556/223 minimizes over-penetration concerns.
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
There are defensive rounds specifically made to NOT overpenetrate buddy.
@poppys37286 жыл бұрын
Jerry - "... 9mm is on fact a 30cal in size...?...Agree with the concept you are trying to impart, however, 9mm = .355 in, so more like 35 cal.
@internetexpert81536 жыл бұрын
Carbean
@quitepossible44986 жыл бұрын
I hear "limited capacity" all the time about shotguns. You guys do realize that one 00 buck shell is loaded with 9 pellets and #4 buck has 16 pellets per shell, right? One trigger pull, BOOM!! Nine .30 caliber pellets, with some nasty terminal performance. "9" There is nothing wrong with a shotguns capacity for HD. 5 shells, times 9 is 45? Yes? Unless you're targeted by a specialized team of hitmen who are paid to take you out, the shotgun is an adequate tool. Shotgun rounds make nasty holes and makes ground beef out of cartilage, tendons and muscles. Great for a group of gangbangers and meth heads.
@mrdark99166 жыл бұрын
Man up and buy an M4. What happens if the badguy has your wife and you have to take a headshot? You gonna send those "9" pellets over her shoulder and past her face? No, you wont. You will drop your gun like a girl, and be at the mercy of the person you could have shot if you would have manned up and used a carbine.
@GeorgiaBoy19616 жыл бұрын
That's why the Winchester Model 1897 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun was called the "trench gun" when it was in service with the U.S. military in the old days. Heck, there may still be some in the armory somewhere on your Marine Corps base or whatnot. Even came with a bayonet lug.