MKLeo Wins Major Going All Byleth

[@theimpersonator7086]

Apparently the last time Leo got anything other than 1rst or 2nd at a offline Smash tournament was way back in GOML 2019. It really is insane how consistent Leo is

[@moberlysquad67]

I mean…we’ve also had an over year long pause. So it may be a little misleading statistic. That being said, he’s so freaking good at the game that he may have kept up the streak even if offline never stopped

[@moberlysquad67]

I mean…we’ve also had an over year long pause. So it may be a little misleading statistic. That being said, he’s so freaking good at the game that he may have kept up the streak even if offline never stopped

[@moberlysquad67]

I mean…we’ve also had an over year long pause. So it may be a little misleading statistic. That being said, he’s so freaking good at the game that he may have kept up the streak even if offline never stopped

[@moberlysquad67]

I mean…we’ve also had an over year long pause. So it may be a little misleading statistic. That being said, he’s so freaking good at the game that he may have kept up the streak even if offline never stopped

[@moberlysquad67]

I mean…we’ve also had an over year long pause. So it may be a little misleading statistic. That being said, he’s so freaking good at the game that he may have kept up the streak even if offline never stopped

[@ZTLGsmashultimate436]

WOULD ALL BYLETH MAINS PLEASE STAND UP FOR THE ANTHEM

[@cosmicrefractions2834]

🎶 Reach for my hand🎶

[@James-uk4xv]

God u ultimate players are so lame

[@Mango_Pnch]

RAAAA!!

[@nightsladerayx9145]

🎶 I'll soar away 🎶

[@regan4268]

Byleth main since he was released, I thought he was so fun and it made me get fire emblem three houses

[@ElSalvador50]

Leo’s spacing with Byleth is actually disgusting. Could probably count on one hand how many sour spots he got during this vid, fucking insane.

[@frankjoz2803]

Listen y'all! We'd better listen to Alan Chavez! He should know better than MKLeo for sure.

[@MundiaLizm]

I think that's why he likes characters like Byleth and Marth who have tippers. His spacing is pretty immaculate and those characters become real demons if you're consistently hitting the sweet spot

[@gianz2066]

Bout Half of byleths spear is sweetspot. Not getting the sweetspot with byleth is like really hard lol. Mkleo still the best though.

[@JesseParkAutomotive]

Tweek: Wins Summit Leo: Thats when I took it personally

[@bigrisg13]

So glad Tweek has finally reached version 2

[@Howl_3DN]

I didn’t notice that. I guess he upgraded after the Summit win

[@redlikerubes_]

I think he should go back to version 1, it seemed to be doing better

[@gwyn-01]

@@redlikerubes_ the fact that he lost doesn't mean he wasn't better, MkLeo just adapted. Tweek version 2 is crazy

[@redlikerubes_]

@@gwyn-01 I know, just joking. I think they’re so evenly skilled that neither of them are truly “better”.

[@alexterieur8813]

@@redlikerubes_ leo is better without a doubt. Maybe the same tier of player but withint that tier leo is 100% the best

[@TriforceZard]

Was cheering for Sparg0 but Leo winning with Byleth was hype.

[@stolenmonkey7477]

Respect for not getting mad [army solute]

[@calebw8189]

@Ghizmo Sparg0 was a better player at 9 years old than you'll be in a lifetime. Shouldn't you respect that?

[@aescling]

@@williamwoods778 you’re a scrub

[@skyguysZ]

@@williamwoods778 come out to a major, get top 8 then talk

[@carrot0821]

@@williamwoods778 gsp means absolutely nothing lmao

[@Ruby-sj7tg]

Finally some good quality byleth content

[@TheXxKingSlayrxX]

Every single tournament Leo enters as of late

[@odindarkll3706]

Byleth mains in 2020: "Not my best!" Byleth mains now: "Should I've held back?"

[@voodooedits785]

Byleth wasn’t released in 2019 it was in 2020

[@MidianVGC]

Game-4-Leo : "You should have gone for the head..." *snap* Quote of the century lolll

[@Nedmac320]

“Loopy fruits” sounds like a cereal brand and Fox-Larry must be their mascot 👀

[@jetkirby3981]

Byleth is actually oddly tough for Game and Watch No free Up B to Dair for G&W after all

[@Sancnea]

Up-B to Up Air is an easy 40-50% tho. Byleth is so easy to juggle.

[@voodooedits785]

Maister didn’t even di the up b correctly

[@drumo2273]

@@Sancnea Oh for sure, the issue is just hitting him with that Up-B OoS because of Byleth's stupid good spacing.

[@happyducky9872]

@@voodooedits785 it is a DI trap - be hit by up air or be hit by back air. Do you think bair wouldn't ko?

[@voodooedits785]

Maister would live the Bair barely

[@lance6320]

Larry trying to secretly come out as a furry with that glytch skit

[@RubixNinja]

That fox mask is a classic in Larry's arsenal. It's had a history.

[@angrymom1515]

Aren't we all? Deep deep down.

[@blackghostcat]

@@angrymom1515 I believe it. I mean think about how many people like cat ears on girls

[@cookiman4225]

@@angrymom1515 no

[@TheUnderratedOrange]

@@angrymom1515lmfao no

[@eliassheridan6837]

This just proves how unbelievably good Mkleo is.

[@matthewpipes018]

And this just proves the fact that he's not carried by joker

[@voodooedits785]

@@matthewpipes018 he was never carried by joker

[@matthewpipes018]

@@voodooedits785 I know he wasn't. I was just mocking the people who claimed that he was carried by Joker, cause Mkleo was winning a lot of tournaments with Joker last year or 2

[@voodooedits785]

He won evo smash con Kongo saga summit 2 UFA Uprising VCA momocon ceo smash n splash and frostbite with joker that is crazy

[@matthewpipes018]

@@voodooedits785 Maybe Mkleo's too damn good lol

[@Ick.-]

16:17 Larry Furr

[@brutal_lui]

First of all the glytch advertisement was funny, second of all I've been saying Byleth is great for the longest time and nobody believed me, I'm so glad that it isn't the case now. *MK B META*

[@eaa1338]

Same, when I saw people comment stuff like “he’s slow so he must be a bad character” I was like ‘You fail to mention the busted option coverage he’s going to have’. I immediately thought he was going to be a high-tier, when I saw his kit.

[@brutal_lui]

@@eaa1338 THAT WHAT IVE BEEN SAY, after the up b buff. It really help him out

[@HaileyTheThird]

​@@eaa1338 Ultimate is so well balanced that a character like Byleth can be excellent in a vacuum at the same time as being average compared to the rest of the cast. (Almost) every character in the game is very good, so I think tier systems don't really work the same way in Ultimate as in other games; you could stick 40 characters into high tier, and it'd be reasonable.

[@eaa1338]

@@HaileyTheThird I can understand that but I just think that people sometimes underrate characters just because their slow while they also have really good strengths like in this case massive range, good damage, decent combo game, decent recovery and much more.

[@angrymom1515]

I remember marss trashing on byleth's recovery as a major weak point.

[@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227]

Literally every character Marss says is gonna be trash becomes top tier

[@kyrito11]

@@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227 that name 💀

[@marcogonzalez9296]

@@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227 I hope he trash Ganondorf when the next set of patched come up

[@Kiba114]

all tethers arenr actually great

[@olavtetteroo4204]

@@Kiba114 you sure? Byleth has a pretty good tether and joker his tether recovery is also very good. Even Ivy has an alright tether with some recovery mix ups. Sure some moves can counter tethers but they aren’t as bad as people are claiming it to be

[@giraphite_8976]

That search bar pissing me off

[@janswhatsupdoc]

Facts

[@DH571]

Does anyone have the stat link about Leo able to reverse 3-0 in a set ?

[@joetatos8687]

i wish i knew how leo could do the up special that close to ledge and have it grab his opponent cause i swear when i try it, it ALWAYS grabs ledge he makes it look so easy haha

[@rabidfurify]

You have about 1 second after letting go of the ledge where up special won't regrab

[@KevSB07]

yeah you can only grab an opponent right after letting go of the ledge

[@Lilgame10]

Ik this is 9 months ago but this is actually real easy to do just do it the first time immediately get jump off ledge and do it again

[@BrandoDennis]

3:25 Mkleo at mainstage: hold my beer.

[@alexpotts6520]

Can we appreciate how great it is that this game is three years old and there are still some characters who nobody is sure quite how good they are?

[@alexterieur8813]

Will be interesting to see how the meta evolves when all the characters are out and the patches are done

[@Seba20901]

it happened with Smash 4 which died before all characters show their true potencial (Greninja, Wii Fit Trainer, Shulk, the Miis, and others who were outclassed by Bayo and Cloud)

[@percy3422]

@@Seba20901 That’s because Bayonetta players and rage jank in general killed that game.

[@Seba20901]

@@percy3422 I know, but is sad after all

[@TheSLATEcleaner]

MKLeo is the best player in the world game 1 of every set, then he gets progressively better every game in a set. That's intimidating.

[@fupalover]

Larry do you think Gluto is still a top 10 player in the world? Or unsure?

[@voodooedits785]

Yes

[@kris0375]

Those Wario nerfs sure are gonna hurt him tho

[@janswhatsupdoc]

Wish he’d full screen the stream 😭

[@Sancnea]

Apparently he wasn't allowed to full screen (he said it somewhere during the VOD). It's also why the Riptide stream volume is low.

[@Cinnamstt]

It's not that big a deal lol

[@Tonytonychoper13]

go watch all the matches instead ...

[@TyphonCH]

Does Byleth's landing Nair always seem to shield poke or is it just me? Or are they releasing shield before the landing hit box? Either way it's such a good move

[@aescling]

it’s usually the latter; there’s a hitbox when landing and it often catches people off guard

[@Seba20901]

It is basically Mythra's nair, but attached to a slow character

[@rockinon011]

@@Seba20901 Mythra nair has no landing hitbox so you're wrong

[@Seba20901]

@@rockinon011 Mythra has a landing hitbox in her nair, look on Ultimate Frame Data page

[@kg_denda]

Are these reacted to live or the vods after?

[@extinctionanimation]

People can still get results with mid tiers

[@Amaling]

Yup, pretty sure Dabuz also got second at a tournament of similar size to this going solo Rosa early in 2020. That doesn't mean Rosa is top tier or anything, but that Dabuz is fantastic

[@extinctionanimation]

@@Amaling agreed

[@Ick.-]

3:20 Fatality: 👁👄👁

[@TrevTheGinger]

I need to know. Do y’all choose Baeleth or Boyleth when you play this character?

[@Richmykal1212]

Boyleth is a Chad

[@onewingedren2228]

Both

[@thomasr.6669]

Edelgard or mint haired Byleths. Black Eagles was my first playthrough lol.

[@diegocorral8787]

Enlightened or Claude Byleths.

[@janswhatsupdoc]

Baeleth is waifu 4 laifu Now waiting for peeps to take the bait and call me a simp 😏

[@shandon122]

4:15 that up b paired with the bonk and yoda scream fx fucking murdered me. Such a gross angle

[@edwinnaranjo9435]

Tweek should consider MegaMan. Since he likes item play so much. I’m sure he would do some oppressive stuff with neutral B

[@iamconfusion5323]

Plus its a pretty good pick against MkLeo's Joker so who knows?

[@SlateofGranite]

Most people keep referring to Byleth as strictly female, so I'm personally glad Leo keeps going male. Also that he keeps winning with him.

[@neerajjoshi8395]

So I've never played fire emblem but in the games is byleth's character male and female or how does that work?

[@SlateofGranite]

@@neerajjoshi8395 player's choice

[@novelgiani]

@@neerajjoshi8395 Byleth is the player character; you get to choose their gender.

[@neerajjoshi8395]

@@novelgiani ah I see

[@stephenc909]

fucking weird thing to give a shit about

[@spencerwarburton1663]

The second he fell, I was saying to myself, "this fucker better not come back up with a fox head hahahahah"

[@JulianGrayMedia]

Maister is a savage. his MG&W is untouchable.

[@squidinc4376]

If number of subscribers were directly related to content quality, Larry would be at 1 mil.

[@andremorrison7626]

I'm pretty sure DK won or got close to winning a major. This result means nothing about tier placement even if it was Little Mac because this game's balance is godlike

[@voodooedits785]

When?

[@RubixNinja]

Agree, tiersets mean very little. Characters are low tier until a top player picks them up. If anyone complains about thier character, 99% it's them, not the character.... but it feels better to deflect the blame

[@OseiTheWarriors]

@@RubixNinja there are flaws to mention about many characters in this game especially in the lower end but yeah everyone is practically viable. Complaints can still be valid tho

[@martinluther123]

16:25 Man I was exexpecting him o star multi-shining.

[@alphawolf7038]

Byleth just is so much of a Leo character. Feels like watching his sm4sh Marth all over again. So maybe Byleth is actually good? He feels better than Lucina with how consistent he can be but he has actual damage output unlike Lucina

[@Amaling]

Try actually playing Lucina and Byleth right after each other. The great movement Lucina has in comparison to the dreadful movement of Byleth makes a huge difference in neutral, advantage, disadvantage, and edgeguarding. Basically everything, but that should be obvious. Lucina actually has similar damage output to Byleth, as both don't have particularly high damaging true combos, and rely on continuing pressure for big damage. Byleth is much more focused on tech chases, but Lucina does more juggling while still having great tech chases again thanks to the movement. Ask Leo which character is better and he'll probably still say Lucina With that being said, Byleth has decisively better kill power, which is obviously a fantastic upside. And Leo just has more fun with Byleth, so he makes it work

[@alphawolf7038]

Honestly great points, just to me it feels better playing as Byleth rather then Lucina. Not in a dopamine sense but I have more control of the situation kind of sense

[@MetaKnightX6]

@@Amaling ummm Lucina does not have similar damage output Even 1% difference is quite notable

[@scitails]

3:06 In the words of Lt. Surge: "...whut?"

[@skim1065]

The legendary 3-0 Leo

[@tannerwharton4670]

I wonder who makes the controller mkleo is using it looks badass

[@garjopogi1044]

Did not expect flurry

[@peepoNuggie]

I was expecting Larry to hit us with the melee HIYAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH in the skit.

[@d.howlett395]

Byleth is an honest character, only good range, kill power/options and functional moves.

[@lancelee338]

3:04 a bad character could do something like that. Dr. Mario has d throw cyclone. Jiggs has dair rest. Early kills =\= good character

[@kaymakesthings]

LOL this man over here trying to equate Doc to Byleth get out of here lmao. Early kills mean jack shit if you can't recover or take a hit. Byleth has all three. Doc's recovery is ASS

[@ASMRbyJIO]

Doc. Mario is terrible. Byleth has great neaturl and good damage and range

[@Sancnea]

@@kaymakesthings His example was extreme, but I think the main point is that some people have started overrating Byleth after Leo won Riptide. Some people (not all) have started talking about all his advantages while suddenly ignoring all of his disadvantages. Byleth's recovery may be good, but getting out the corner/ledge is a pain. The recovery while good is still exploitable (watch epic gabriel's set against Leo for this. The set should be on Larry's twitch (his first Riptide stream at 47:30). Leo struggling at the ledge was shown even at the Maister set (watch it unedited). Low air speed also means it's hard for Byleth to land (gets juggled easily as a result. I still think he's high tier, but people are talking as if Tweek lost because it was a losing matchup (someone literally told me Tweek's banana stopped working cuz Leo was spamming Nair). Some people are also talking about how Byleth's range means literally every fighter that's primarily melee-focused loses to Byleth. There's also the take that Sephiroth easily loses to Byleth after that one game with Tweek.

[@MeatSlushie0421]

@@kaymakesthings byleth isn't as bad as doc, but byleth isn't a good Character either lol. None of the crazy up b combos you see are true, nobody knows how to di the up b cuz byleth is so uncommon

[@Yokai_Yuri]

@@Sancnea lol, no. Let me cover some points you made. About Byleth's recovery being exploitable. No it is not unless you have someone with a lot of range and interrupt the up B from the sides. If you try to spike him, he spikes you back with his Up B as we have seen Leo do all the time. Then when you are near the ledge you can almost safely spam side B as a get away from the ledge tool. Byleth vs Seph: this one is pretty simple. Sephiroth has a littlr bit more of range than Byleth but the amount of starting and ending las he has is astronomical so even if you have more range and try to space correctly, Byleth is winning most of the trades in the air and on the ground because he is faster. The thing with Seph is to take advantage of his range, what good is his range if lets say Byleth and seph jump at the same time to use F.air, both srr on hit range and they use F.air. who'd you think will win that trade? BYLETH. So let us add the fact seoh csn only take some his before he dies while Byleth can resist some punishment. At the end of the day Byleth is basically a better Sephiroth. He has mlre forgiving tippers which adds up for consistency, he can fight back top tier Aegis players with his tools not because "it is leo". He can consistently kill with back airs and F.airs, has a respectable range,upB conversion that gets you to 50%. The list goes on. Does Seoh has that? No. Seph is not even like Ike where he does the 1-2 conversion. Seph is morr alike to shulk minus the speed and good frame data. Since seph tipper hitbox are not thst forgiving you see light charscters living up to 120% and above while Seph is in his "almighty" winged mode. So scary Now do you ser why Tweek lost with Seph? Seph has problems.. a lot

[@StepBaum]

Thanks for the analysis :)

[@SeriousStriker]

Watch the next video be Sparg0's loss to WaDi and then Sparg0's losers run.

[@yolochip4889]

21:00 Imagine if Leo didn't angle the f-smash...

[@peace4433]

HIGHWAY ROBBERY

[@n31l_7]

i remember seeing a comment saying leo's byleth was average at best (yes i know they were probably on the goodstuff). and then he goes and pulls THIS off at riptide.

[@typhlosion7872]

I still think Byleth is high mid tier. People have little lan matchup experience because the only people who really play Byleth are Leo and Ryuga, and we haven't seen much from Ryuga. Leo went Byleth in one major game before the 18 month pause from major lan tournaments and switched to mainly Byleth online, where Byleth is far better. Yes, Leo won Riptide with Byleth, but you have to remember that so few people actually know how to play against Byleth with the lack of top player representation other than Leo and the extremely small number of tournaments where she's been playable. Same can even be argued for Terry, but to a much smaller degree. I still think Byleth is on the upper end of mid tier as of now. After a few more tournaments, that may change based on performance.

[@voodooedits785]

I think everyone needs to watch Leo vs. doorstop

[@jacobreynolds3917]

Marss and ESAM are still the only ones to be game four leo.

[@Gumby518]

Glytch turns you into a furry; got it

[@carsongxd]

Larry is the GM Hikaru of smash

[@matthewkern8823]

Leo is Maister's kryptonite. I feel bad for the guy. I'm not sure if he's ever won a set against MkLeo.

[@pulse7136]

He hasn’t, the set score is 0-15 now I believe

[@jaxton7280]

Bro I started skipping through Larry’s drink ad but then I saw him choking and turn into a furry and I had to go back.

[@EphYxRS]

This is fucking insane

[@Explixit]

I'll be impressed when someone wins with olimer.

[@starrk6966]

3:04 wtf was that 😳😳

[@justaviewer4288]

The people that probably say Byleth is bad, are probably the ones that play that character, lose, and actually blame the character for losing instead of themselves

[@nezarredondo6101]

Either that, or they still are remorseful over the fact he was the 5th DLC while Cuphead was just a Mii gunner echo fighter

[@Salvationredux]

Wait is Byleth actually a mid tier? I thought he was high tier all along

[@Thomas-nz4si]

I still think Byleth is mid tier, however they're much better than most people gave them credit. I think what's mainly carrying the character is Leo being an absolutely amazing player that can adapt, and the lack of match familiarity. In the first match against Maister he got that up b on the side platform and killed him with an up air, and you'll notice for the rest of the set Maister was always ready to di the move and I don't think he got hit with an attack after up b again after that point. The character definitely has some things that not one really expected, like their crazy ability on the ledge with side b and up b, but they also lack things like decent out of shield options and speed. When Leo was initially playing Ike, I think people started to overrate the character a bit simply because Leo was getting great results with the character, but it was never the character, it was Leo. Not to say Ike's a bad character by any means, I just think Leo's showings in tournament play really pushed the character up tier lists when it was more Leo if anything.

[@KeflAura]

Its so annoying When will people stop talking about ike and realize two things. 1. Ike was the easiest character to play at a time where no one knew how to play the game. Theres a huge difference from a character being good at the first month of the game then falling off later. Than a character doing good this late into the meta. Also Maister got hit almost everytime single time after up b game idk where you saw that he didnt. Leo baird him multiple times from up b

[@Thomas-nz4si]

@@KeflAura Fair enough, I wasn't giving the match my full attention but I noticed he was able to di out of the combo several times and was definitely more aware of what he had to do.

[@dripfoe_3307]

@@Thomas-nz4si My guy Byleth is not mid tier. Byleth's nair out of shield is a great out of shield option so I'm not even sure what you're talking about. I guess people like you just need more convincing despite him winning a major and super major with a "mid tier character". Here's what people like you need to understand, great players like Mkleo don't reduce frames on a characters moves or increases hitbox sizes.....they don't change the characters frame data by using them, they just show people the potential of that character. So going off that, Byleth possess a arsenal that a mid tier doesn't have. If you don't see the strength of Byleth by now then it just means you don't understand the game well enough. Byleth has a great out shield option, air to airs, side b burst option, high shield break potential, sharking potential, anti airs, air frame traps, easy kill confirms, off stage fighting, a strong neutral B with mix up potential, a great recovery that counters safe edge guarding, edge defense with up B, side b and neutral B mix up at the ledge, a kill throw, kill tilts, a dash attack that kills, tech chase mix ups.

[@Thomas-nz4si]

@@dripfoe_3307 I wouldn't exactly call their side b a good burst option, its active on frame 21. A good burst option shouldn't be more than like 15 frames. Anything at about 20 frames is considered reactable. Not all opponents are going to be able to react to a side b, but at the top level they likely can unless Leo does it strategically like he did underneath a platform I remember and caught the opponent off guard, but generally you don't see him us it as a burst option. Her burst option is often either just nair or dash attack. I understood from the start that nair is a good oos option, but that's not enough to make her oos options good. Nair is seemingly the only oos option to my knowledge other than just grabbing or maybe up smash in some cases but I don't think I've seen him do that, and because of her slow ground speed she can't drop speed and run away in the instance that nair wouldn't hit, and often it won't because its not like it has amazing range and a good player should be spacing their aerials on shield. Its a great move but objectively it just doesn't have the range a lot of great oos aerials have. Something incredibly important as far as the meta is concerned in this game is that the actual ability of characters across the board are much more balanced than previous titles. You can obviously win majors and supermajors with worse characters in this game, not only because even mid tier characters are viable, but also because generally Ultimate is a neutral heavy kind of game, and if you're neutral game is on point you can make most characters work so long as they are absolute trash characters. Hell, a Piranha Plant main won a major in Japan, and I don't see anyone arguing that the character is even mid tier. Something that objectively does set apart characters that are top/high tier from the rest of the cast is their speed, whether is be typically ground and air speed or their actual frame data, so while Peach is a relatively slow character, she makes it for it with fast frame data and a ridiculous punish game. This is just something that Byleth overall lacks and has absolutely nothing to compensate for it. They definitely have quick moves like their tilts, dash attack, and aerials, but their aerials need to be spaced and other than down tilt I don't think their tilts really lead to any combos. I'm not saying I think Byleth is a bad character, mid tier isn't bad in this game, what I'm saying is that MkLeo is fucking insane at this game. There are obviously many factors going into this, such as how I said that most people have basically no experience fighting Byleth and generally Leo's ability to adapt to any given player or character, learning their habits and understanding the optimal strategy that his opponents are likely to do. I would say from what I can tell she's upper mid tier, and I think once all the hype over Leo's Byleth dies down most people will agree. Sorry for the wall of text, I know its a lot to read. edit: I forgot to mention that people are also generally pretty rusty at the moment due to not playing offline Smash in tournament in so long. Leo is clearly rusty as well, but I would imagine once everyone starts to derust they'll likely give his Byleth more trouble. Considering its Leo, I'd be surprised if he got below 3rd or 4th at a major due to his insane ability to adapt, but I think we'll see more and more close sets from top players. I feel like if he goes Byleth against someone like Marss, Marss will actually have a pretty good chance at beating him. Not that I don't think Marss wouldn't normally be able to beat him, he's done it before, but I think Leo's chances or beating Marss go down a bit if he's using Byleth over Aegis or Joker.

[@happyducky9872]

​@@Thomas-nz4si What is "the combo" exactly? Side b is a read on committal, where frame 21 is actually unable to be dealt with. You're right it's not a standard burst. Nair is not the only OOS - up b is just as fast and there's a ton of times leo does nair when he should up b (covers crossup and pancakes better). You don't need a true punish to do mix anyways. Also when it comes to Marss, ZSS is one of the worst matchups for byleth, period, afaik. edit: up tilt starts combos, plant won a major when literally nobody knew the mu, idk why you think byleth doesn't have a great punish game (not quite to peach level cause lol turnips).

[@howshegoingeh7708]

3:03 at least it was against a g&w

[@TheKejka13]

OK, coming from Larry, that add is funny as fuq 🤣

[@pinkeye983]

wtf was that commercial LarryLurr is a furry lol that was awesome

[@Zvn1c]

Basically tier lists don't really matter. There's OP characters and some trash characters. And then all the middle characters can still win majors. Which is why I hate when people say such and such is not viable. It's BS most of the time.

[@LinkZeroFox]

Byleth IS higtier

[@blue_musicals]

Larry, what does the Fox say?

[@zumirelix]

"AdapTAtion" :P

[@LexiKaeru]

Review Leo v Doorstop pls

[@MidianVGC]

Tweek after winning 3-0 Summit and winning the first 2 games : "Why do I still hear boss music?"

[@LuigiLonLon]

This further proves my point that Tweek is a very momentum heavy Player, and the moment it gets interrupted he crumbles it showed in last EVO, it showed in the last tourney Tweek won and it shows here. While i like Tweek, this momentum heavy dependence is going to be his downfall once he gets figured out

[@Sancnea]

I mean, Tweek had a ton of momentum going into Winners Finals as he'd only dropped 1 game whereas Leo had dropped about 5 games or so. If you're talking about each individual set, Tweek lost game 1 to Sparg0 and still managed to win the set in dominant fashion. So he's only 'momentum based' when it comes to facing Leo.

[@Chris-dy1cb]

Diddy being kept out by range and not being able to gimp recoveries played a huge roll in him losing. His only options to get in were banana and monkey flip- and Leo was already focusing banana control so.

[@voodooedits785]

But 2 of those 5 games was when he went Aegis

[@Yokai_Yuri]

I think the community forcefully wants Byleth to be a mid tier or high low tier at best. If Byleth wins it's because of Leo. The reality is Byleth can potentially be a top tier,.but people refuses to see it that way. You have characters like wolf and Lucina sitting at the top tier charts and these characters haven't won tournaments since forever and their tournsment performanced have been ok at best. Right now Byleth is a better Sephiroth with a little less range, waay less lag, a more forgiving tipper mechanics and a lot of conversions such as nair to dash attack.

[@VehicleVibes_]

I don't think you understand what it means to be top tier in the game of ultimate lol I mean MAYBE if it was just random KZbin comments saying byleth is mid tier. But we're talking literally every single top player that has made a tier list. If anything byleth winning isn't just a testament to how good Leo is, but how relatively balanced ultimate CAN be. If the player is good enough, they can win with tons of different characters.

[@happyducky9872]

@@VehicleVibes_ Yeah, the top players that don't know jack shit beyond the bare bones of what is immediately obvious when there's way more. Notice the difference. Also no, not every top player iirc.

[@VehicleVibes_]

@@happyducky9872 I'm kind of a hater on pyra/mythra, but I just think it's hilarious that so many top players say they're amazing, were already sewing amazing results from Leo, Spargo, and Cosmos with them, and yet random nobody casual smash players online protest so adamantly that they're not good. It's foolish IMO. If you think about it, especially with competitive smash, all you want to play for is taking the stock. (You may think it sounds obvious, but at that level of play, it's deeper than you think.) Mythra is called the neutral monster for obvious reasons, and even she CAN kill with all her smash attacks and neutral b. But if you think she struggles, you can switch to pyra, who can kill with almost every single move. No one who knows anything about the game would put them in anything less than top 10. The #1 player in the world puts them in top 3, and says maybe #1. But ahh yes, online trolls certainly know better, right?

[@happyducky9872]

@@VehicleVibes_ I'm going to flat out disagree and say that there are people who think they aren't top 1-3 and believe development will be needed for full clarity. Pyra is also weirdly DI'able and can need specific (and slow, but big) hitboxes

[@VehicleVibes_]

@@happyducky9872 well that's not flat out disagreeing with anything I said, as I never said there aren't people who think that. I said almost all top players think they are (feel free to watch some of their videos to double check that, as I did) And I said the number one player in the world, mkleo, puts them top 3, maybe #1. His words, not mine. But sure, you must be the online smash genius who knows better than Leo! Can't wait to see your latent talent at the next super major beat Leo and spargos pyra/mythra!

[@wacktastic1]

Mkleo proves that tiers list are dumb

[@biztheninja2654]

Byleth wins major going all Leo

[@peepoNuggie]

#Don'tTestMe Byleth

[@dspd0140]

He used Pyra and Mythra in pools though.

[@moneytrees00]

Larry is a furry confirmed

[@w1l1]

leo is an amazing player, but i think people really underrate byleth. i honestly cannot see her being a tier below ike (high tier), given her range, knockback, damage, frame data (she struggles more from ending lag than she does from start-up lag, but her range compensates for this), oos options, etc. she’s also an obscure character with only one top rep, so no one knows the mu.

[@willycheez7218]

She's so insanely high tier. People call her mid tier after killing a heavy at 70 with the safest back air in the game and it's just weird

[@gildrax69]

I feel the same way about Marth and Lucina. There’s no way he’s more than 1 tier below his echo.

[@gildrax69]

@@willycheez7218 Marth’s back air is much safer

[@willycheez7218]

@@gildrax69 Yeah Marth is high tier as well. He doesn't even struggle to kill that much. His bair definitely isn't safer though because its shorter and weaker

[@gildrax69]

@@willycheez7218 the shorter part is definitely true and in terms of being able to punish it, byleth’s back air is second none. However, strictly looking at the frame data, Marth’s is safer on shield at -5/6 compared to Byleth’s at -8/9. Overall, you could say that Byleth’s is safer.

[@catfishman685]

OH NOOOO!!! He became a furry!!!

[@roberttallafer2299]

Byleth is lower high tier.

[@yogurt5628]

No no no my nightmare byleth is becoming a “he” not a “she” ( btw this is a joke and I rlly don’t care at all about this)

[@maskquerade3236]

Never expected LarryLurr to fall so low to FOX LMAO

[@yogurt5628]

Byleth doesn’t have the best frame data but the range it has( yes I’m calling byleth it cause it’s both male and female) is just amazing so if u can rlly play neutral it’s amazing cause he can force jumps and then up-b to get lots of damage also pretty good offstage I think it’s high tier (lower end) cause it doesn’t have lots of weaknesses but my opinion can be easily changed

[@jacqueslaflame2127]

Esam

[@tazabstrakt2432]

Byleth not mid tier argue with ur mother

[@KareemZebib]

Mfw LarryLurr uploads

[@randychavezjr6050]

Maister easily my least favorite pro, or favorite pro to hate

[@janswhatsupdoc]

Who hurt you?

[@randychavezjr6050]

@@janswhatsupdoc Every Game and Watch I guess. I shouldn't take it out on Maister, but I must have some mild PTSD whenever I see G&W "ledge trapping" or NAIR strings

[@tazabstrakt2432]

Yea he and his main sucks 😭any proud g&w player needs to re evaluate

[@janswhatsupdoc]

@@tazabstrakt2432 guess I’m up next on the list lmao

[@briantheviking]

Idk about hate but I just never understood the hype behind Maister. He literally just throws out hit boxes until something works. Like true definition of a masher lol

[@PopcornBunni]

Hot take: Game and Watch is a garbage overrated character in this game just like he was in Smash 4 and Brawl. He has one top tier gimmick which on any real character would be an issue but he fundamentally lacks a kit outside of up-B.

[@magicalpotato7158]

Game and watch does have a good set of disjoints in his kid (nair, bair, dair, ftilt, upsmash etc) so his combos are really consistent but closing out stocks with him could be rough if ur opponent plays safe and they dont commit to anything risky at high percent. I thinks he’s overrated as well, but definitely not garbo imo

[@Kiba114]

byleth is still mid tier, everyone else is just bad

[@aegeon5650]

It’s not even that everyone else is bad, it’s just that Leo is so damn good. As a player who specializes in midrange zoning, mind games, and adaptation, this is probably the perfect character for him.

[@Kiba114]

@@aegeon5650 they are still bad. you are saying leo is just good but that also means others are bad lol

[@aegeon5650]

@@Kiba114 strange logic. Everyone that’s worse than the best player in the world is bad. Does that mean there’s only one good player in the world?

[@nice3297]

man said yet again like he does it all the time lol should have been are we gonna see tweek choke yet again

[@ghalo1271]

Its pronounced Leh-o not Lee-o

[@Fitzy1216]

Game and watch takes no skill what a terrible player anyone could beat this guy thank god Leo put him in his place

[@voodooedits785]

Maister isn’t a terrible player he literally created g&w’s meta for competitive play that is rude but g&w is pretty dumb

[@Cinnamstt]

Anyone could beat him? This man is a top 10 player. Also, tell me another game n watch that is getting top 8 placements in majors as consistent as Maister. The character does take skill especially when he is playing at a top competitive level.

[@voodooedits785]

G&w is super easy at lower levels of play

[@janswhatsupdoc]

Cry some more

[@Crxwess]

1'800th like

[@busk0966]

Byleth is hot trash. Leo could pick up gannon or incin and top players would be calling them high/top tier i swear

[@MetaKnightX6]

Not sure about byleth being trash but I agree very much with ur second point

[@edwardkenway7982]

@@MetaKnightX6 Well Byleth is trash son, Leo is just a god

[@ninjabladechannel8680]

Idk if this is a hot take: Byleth is still trash, give mkleo ANY sword character and they'll look good. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MetaKnightX6]

Not sur about ur first point but agreed with the second

[@Descro382]

Some days I imagine what his Shulk would be like..

[@TheXxKingSlayrxX]

Byleth is nowhere near trash. Especially if they can do this to Tweek’s diddy , Maister’s game and watch, Spargo’s Pythra. A trash character, even in the hands of the best player, will lose to top tier characters in top 10 player’s hands

[@ninjabladechannel8680]

@@TheXxKingSlayrxX a lot of people share that mentality in melee yet Zain (donttestme) won a tournament with trash tier Roy against some tournament players using high tiers. It's a lot more about the player than the character. If a character performs well, it's more a show of the player's skill than the character's utility.

[@trevon444]

Guys let’s look at how the other top 15-25 characters in this game play ( joker, Pika, aegis, fox, wolf, wario, game and watch, mario, zero suit Samus, Roy, peach etc) and then compare them to byleth and it’s not even close. Leo is a god at the game but cmon byleth is not that good of character. There is a reason that litreally no other pros play her. High mid tier at best lmao

[@guayasplm4496]

Sure, has a lot of safe tipers, good OoS, the best tether recovery in the game and can kill a heavy with a bair at 70%.... Look, if Ike is high tier then Byleth is def high tier.

[@diegocorral8787]

I mean, Pika doesn't have much representation either. I don't think anyone is making the argument Byleth is Top tier, its pretty much high tier that a lot of people are underrating them as Mid tiers. They're definitely Top 40, however lots of people put them under Top 60 so their more underrated imo.

[@janswhatsupdoc]

UPDATE: I just rewatched the interview, yeah he did say she’s high tier just wasn’t paying attention That’s the highest I’ve seen anyone place her. Which is great because I love Byleth and she hella underrated yet Peeps still insist she low or even bottom tier (Leo included) For me she a solid mid tier no more or less

[@HD-nb7kw]

Yeah byleth most likely isn't top 20 or even top 30 but i have played byleth since release and i'm tired of seeing people like esam underate the hell out of them after the buffs they are middle of mid tier at worst

[@MannyForReal]

@@janswhatsupdoc I'm pretty sure Leo said she's high tier in an interview that he did. He also said no one knows the mu so he'll keep playing her until people eo

[@Chris-dy1cb]

Feel like people talk a lot about byleths viability and not about how bad of a mu it is for Diddy when a character can space him out and has incredible recovery. What options does diddy have

[@VehicleVibes_]

What are you talking about lol Diddy out frame datas byleth in literally every single way, commands much more space than byleth, and has WAY WAY more combo potential off stray hits than byleth. Also, saying Diddy "only has banana and monkey flip" alone is a silly argument. Diddy only has an amazing cancel-able command grab that can be changed to an attack at will, and a TRANSCENDENT item that combos into literally ANYTHING? Just think about that again lol

[@GUSTAVOPINGPONG]

banana, command grab, speed in general

[@VehicleVibes_]

@@GUSTAVOPINGPONG for real lol

[@loghen01]

But Diddy DESTROYS Byleth, wtf?

[@happyducky9872]

Banana alone is a large threat lol

[@grasseater7374]

I hate Byleth bair