Laserspeed LS-M3, A Hidden Gem?

[@biobeast1179]

I made a 3d printed diffuser cap for the laser on high. Now, it doesn't bloom out the target. I can upload it to thingiverse if people are interested.

[@4MRRanch]

If you’d wanna send me one, I can include it in a possible update video down the road. Send me an email at [e-mail] if interested

[@Jdeez19]

Please do!

[@AlaricCrow]

God tier laser reviews. You 1000% influence my purchasing decisions

[@4MRRanch]

Apologies to your wallet lol. But thanks for watching.

[@iamnotacriminal]

@@4MRRanchdo you think the SOMO ngal will lose it’s current co-alignment overtime. I have a “spec precision ” LA-5C advertised as a 80mw illuminator. I’ve taken apart and re slaved the lasers. With the L3 patents probably being the same for how the unit actually zero’s and adjusts. Curious cus the NGAL somo or IS is my next likely purchase.

[@TDOC.99]

I felt the same way.. so I purchased that ngal. Unfortunately it didn’t even last one full magazine. Now I’m having trouble with getting it fixed or replaced..

[@threat2demoracy5454]

Screw the FDA! Neutering our lasers taking Freedoms "for safety"! Screw that noise. This is the guberment our founders warned us of. I went with the brick of a DbalD2! Every LAM has its ups and downsides. Great review! Way better than the Holosuns! 🤙🏼

[@sergemarlon]

I'm pretty impressed. I like this model and with that discount code, it seems reasonable. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

[@4MRRanch]

It’s a strong contender given the laser market. I’m glad they gave me a code to share. Unclear if it supports my channel, but if it saves you guys money I’m for it. Sorry I couldn’t directly link (the KZbin gods won’t allow it)

[@rzachhenson40]

@@4MRRanch I didnt see a discount code but im in the process of purchasing. Is the code still good? Im purchasing from their ebay store if that matters....

[@survivorman_1829]

Where’s the discount code?

[@4MRRanch]

@@survivorman_1829 use code “4MR” I think it gives a discount.

[@4MRRanch]

@@survivorman_1829 check the 15% off link in my linktree links

[@maxtilt666]

So happy you’re doing laser speed stuff. I really hope you do the M6

[@4MRRanch]

I will try! Waiting for the “new” one with a crane plug and improved ergonomics

[@patrickleitzen9752]

Love your reviews, man. Really great work. I'm in the preliminary phases of setting up my rifle for nv use, and you've been an incredible help.

[@4MRRanch]

I’m humbled to hear I’m a useful resource for you. Man more videos like this to come, to include a massive comparison of 25+ units

[@4MRRanch]

I was able to borrow a better meter post recording this, so the Illuminator output is 32.4mW If you dig this unit, c0de 4MRRANCH will save you some coin on their eBay or Aliexpress pages (can’t link it, sorry). Thanks for watching guys, let me know what you want to see next!

[@TerexJ]

I was a bit on the fence until I saw that the code got me $134 off on their Ebay store. That was the nudge that pushed me the rest of the way. Thanks, man.

[@4MRRanch]

@@TerexJ send me an email at [e-mail]

[@joejoeseesingtons]

Great review 🔥🔥🔥

[@4MRRanch]

Thank you!

[@rickkienzlen]

Love the content, thank you.

[@4MRRanch]

LOTS more in the works!

[@lorteti]

Works great, but Strange, Big, Heavy and Ugly, the end.

[@4MRRanch]

Essentially

[@coldharboursupply]

Great reviews. Any plans to review the Rovyvon GL4 Pro?

[@4MRRanch]

I appreciate it. I’d like to!

[@strat1960s]

Any plans to do a side-by-side comparison of the lasers you have performed individual reviews on?

[@4MRRanch]

About to drop a video like this but with 25+ units

[@sergemarlon]

If you were to consider manufacturing your own design, what features would you feel mandatory?

[@4MRRanch]

The goal would be as small as possible. I’m not super into overly powerful IR lasers as they bloom too much without a diffuser. It would be nice to control the laser independently of the illuminator, like the Raid XE

[@nomad0395]

For the LED indicator if it’s a real problem you could just put a tiny patch of Electrical tape over it so you don’t see it flashing back at you!

[@4MRRanch]

That’s exactly what I’m going to do, but pointing out an obvious design/programming flaw

[@Reaver_Approach]

Doing God's work here for us NV nerds

[@4MRRanch]

I do what I can

[@qthestorm_patriot]

Not bad I rather buy this over a dbal unit based on performance, but how is the durability?

[@4MRRanch]

The unit actually feels very solid. I’m hoping the weight means it has a decent housing thickness, durable components, and a generous amount of potting of the electronics inside.

[@qthestorm_patriot]

I appreciate your time and your response 👍🙏 Thank You!

[@4MRRanch]

@@qthestorm_patriot Happy to help!

[@CGR89]

Good to know one of the only downsides to this device can be fixed with a small square of tape.

[@4MRRanch]

Yep, could definitely be worse things to have to deal with.

[@iamnotacriminal]

⁠do you think the SOMO ngal will lose it’s current co-alignment overtime. I have a “spec precision ” LA-5C advertised as a 80mw illuminator. I’ve taken apart and re slaved the lasers. With the L3 patents probably being the same for how the unit actually zero’s and adjusts. Curious cus the NGAL somo or IS is my next likely purchase. Edit only person I’ve seen say it list co-alignment was gatcattill. I remember you saying the IS was actually slaved at a looser MOA.

[@4MRRanch]

My somo NGAL has not had the lasers move relative to eachother as of 800 rounds. My IS NGAL diodes have also not shifted, but are not co aligned as well out of the box.

[@Peterkass235]

Excellent laser. I hate to say it since people will now buy them all, but I have used these extensively and so has many others I know and I have seen somewhere around 14 laser speeds ls m3 have no issues. even the older first gen versions still running to this day. I love these lasers and highly recommend them to anyone, why buy a civ powered gimp laser this does a good job and has a better illuminator than most grey market salty peqs... I'd say get a perst 3 if only they could still be imported otherwise, if you cant afford a fp new unit or dont know how to get one, or can't get a wilcox raid, mawl, or ngal, buy a laser speed and you'll be better off than 90% of everyone else.

[@4MRRanch]

Yep, hard to justify going elsewhere when these are as solid as they are. If you could diffuse the laser I think it would not have anything else to be desired

[@mgralley]

How does this compare in size to the NGAL and PEQ-15? It looks to be on par in width to a D-Bal just from the video.

[@4MRRanch]

Bigger than the NGAL by far; slightly larger than the PEQ.

[@thatoneguy454c]

I wish the lasers had a lower setting than low. A laser that is just a bit more powerful that a civ spec would be great. It's really hard to be precise when it just blows out the NV.

[@4MRRanch]

I was messaged by a viewer who makes diffusers for this unit. I’ll show some of that in the update review.

[@MittenCritical]

Are you able to compare the holosun LE321 with this from a QC/Quality standpoint? Prices are quite similar. Thanks!

[@4MRRanch]

Yes I have a HUGE comparison dropping soon

[@petercho546]

In terms of reliability and durability, which of the "airsoft" lasers do you think is the best? Somogear ngal, invisble sight ngal, or laserspeed ls-m3? There's also the Laserspeed ls-m6 and the FL5. Incredible reviews as always

[@4MRRanch]

For what it’s worth, the laserspeed and invisible sight lasers aren’t Airsoft, they’re marketed for guns. If laserspeed could get their side and weight down it may be my top choice but the invisible sight has been phenomenal (comparison to real l3 NGAL dropping soon). Downside of invisible sight is the lead time (for now, he’s about to ramp up) whereas laserspeed will ship right away. I have not yet had reliability issues with any of the units on my channel, but are all between 400-800 rounds

[@petercho546]

@@4MRRanch Thanks for the speedy reply! I found your post(s) on reddit. You're truly The Guy leading this whole "yes the current LAM market is fucked lets look at the cheaper more reasonable options." Seriously super thankful for what you're doing for us.

[@AaaaandYerDhem]

Love your channel, brother. Appreciate the very thorough reviews of these hidden gems

[@4MRRanch]

Thanks for watching. I’m happy you find my content useful.

[@z3ntropy]

yes, color light indicators for a device primarily used in conjunction with nods

[@4MRRanch]

Huge oversight imo, but that’s why I pointed it out. Nothing some tape can’t fix and a nuance I’m willing to deal with for an otherwise solid unit.

[@veritasflux8005]

Would it be doable for you to get the new Laserspeed, the M-6. It's built to more closely resemble the peq15 size and weight, and I'm interested in if it's worth it?

[@4MRRanch]

I have a feeling laserspeed would be willing to send one out now that they see the effort I put into my videos, and if they are I’d put a video together. Not currently planning to purchase one due to trying to get more variety on the channel.

[@veritasflux8005]

@@4MRRanch that would be cool, there's not a lot of people doing detailed review on the chinese lasers.

[@davek8706]

Great units. I own two of Gen 1 model.

[@4MRRanch]

They’re definitely solid

[@KeithDuquette]

Need FDE version

[@4MRRanch]

I think they have one!

[@ericjohnson8001]

First time I've ever actually looked into mil-spec type laser/NV sights since I was into night shooting with a surplus gen 2 Russian NV "goggles" set and bolt on TacStar type lasers on a Ruger1022. I always thought lasers were just a sort of toy accessory as far as civilian use went and never put a lot of stock in them in general. Basically they were fun to play with and really useful for coyote hunting . I could never get a laser module to survive mounting on a mini-14. 2 shots would knock it so far off zero it was almost dangerous. I'm going to rethink the whole laser thing after watching these videos.

[@4MRRanch]

There are many great options now, the NV market is growing rapidly

[@wckaufholzify]

Where is your coupon code and what site do you order this from? Thank you again for the video.

[@4MRRanch]

“4MRRANCH” and I was told it works on either their eBay or aliexpress site. I can’t post links on KZbin for risk of the videos being taken down. You can email me at [e-mail] if you have any trouble with my code not working and I’ll get onto them for you.

[@JustAnotherPaddy]

Great review. Bump for the robot

[@4MRRanch]

I appreciate you

[@explosivemegumin36]

great vid, looking forward to more laser content like no others

[@4MRRanch]

Lots more coming

[@explosivemegumin36]

@@4MRRanch big bet 👁👄👁

[@Shimitzu]

It's on a major discount on aliexpress right now (probably a sellout since M6 got its release).

[@4MRRanch]

Clan to hear it, makes it an even better buy

[@GreatLoner]

How's the unit holding up?

[@4MRRanch]

Had no issues, I have since moved on to different units to test. I can’t test everything I review long term, I’d never be able to review new things

[@GreatLoner]

@@4MRRanch Oh I know, I just watched this after viewing the m6tr review.

[@theseukonnen1200]

Am I missing a trick or are those metered output values in excess of the 0.7mW limit for a Class I laser?

[@4MRRanch]

There’s a reason these are desirable..

[@shawnwillis7561]

I don't get why you would have to move the nut to change the tension on the quick detach. I have a few items with the same kind of qd system and you just have turn the the bolt itself to change the tension

[@4MRRanch]

The locking clamp can only go so far, so you shorten the length of threads with each small turn of the nut. This is a good feature (if implemented right) so you can get good lockup on a variety of rail tolerances rather than be stuck with a QD that’s either too loose or too tight

[@allterraintrucks5612]

Great content man, subbed

[@4MRRanch]

Welcome! More to come

[@carbon4201]

It can be difficult to get laserspeed to follow through with warranty work, and they will not upgrade or exchange prototype units. This is the latest iteration, so it should be fairly solid. They have another dual unit in the works that's a bit smaller than the M3, with better switchology, turrets and crane port. It probably won't see the light of day until late this year. I'm not sure if they have turnover or just ignore people post-sale, but having dealt with LS for over a year their communication is almost bi-polar. It's great and then one day you get radio silence. Unfortunate.

[@4MRRanch]

I can’t attest to their customer service, so I appreciate you sharing your insights!

[@carbon4201]

@@4MRRanch it was a lot of fun working with them for a while. I just don't understand the sudden drop off in communication around December.

[@beck4218]

$900 for this? Pass.

[@4MRRanch]

It’s not for everyone. But for a FP laser that’s a reasonable price. My discount code would knock it to $765, but not sure how long they made my code active for.

[@thatoneguy454c]

Any halfway decent FP laser is going to have a similar price.

[@JustAnotherPaddy]

@@4MRRanchwhat’s that…but 300 clams shy a Steiner?

[@Dirminor]

@@JustAnotherPaddywhere are you getting a Steiner DBAL for $1,000? I see them going for more like $1,800 which would be double the price of this unit and basically every IR aiming device I see from a company that’s well known is at least that much and does not have as much power as this unit.

[@JustAnotherPaddy]

@@Dirminor primary arms

[@KrisSays]

Nice review

[@4MRRanch]

Thanks!

[@joemo1033]

Great content

[@4MRRanch]

I appreciate you taking the time to watch

[@lukekerr7024]

AWESOME!

[@4MRRanch]

Thank you!

[@user-ms3lw3gi4f]

Too B I G.

[@4MRRanch]

It would be nice if it was smaller but it’s workable

[@Boon20]

It looks like an updated Newcon LAM 3G

[@4MRRanch]

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if that inspired it

[@mikemajoris8644]

@@4MRRanch Laserspeed does OEM for Newcon. It's the exact same just rebranded

[@TnTriton225]

Where did you get it from? Code?

[@4MRRanch]

You can go through either their eBay or aliexpress site. “4MRRANCH” is supposed to save you 15% on either

[@skullofserpent5727]

+

[@4MRRanch]

Always helping out! I appreciate you

[@skullofserpent5727]

@4MRRanch least I can do...or maybe...

[@Yankeeprepperasshat]

Can someone explain how you can make any of these bricks work?? If you’re right handed and you run a small clicky flashlight at 10:30, on an mlok, like 95% of the guys out there, the only thing that fits is an ngal. And just barely. If you use a springboard mount, there’s hardly enough room for the illuminator to clear the flashlight, and there’s maybe a mm of room between your flashlight and the bottom left corner of your ngal.. basically every single system seems to be virtually unusable. Why are the designers so stupid? Have they ever used their product? Have they ever asked themselves what the vast majority of their customer base wants?

[@lorteti]

You are right, they don't use their products, that explains everything.

[@4MRRanch]

That’s why you see some people running some interesting riser mounts, but I use the unity light wing to clear my LAMS. The upside to the mount of the LS-M3 being higher is I didn’t have many issues with my lights fitting.

[@Yankeeprepperasshat]

@@4MRRanchI’m not familiar with too many options but I got a Chinese copy of t-rex’s springboard mount. You’re really not going to get anything much tighter than that, and if it stands out any further away from the handguard profile, you bump into the underside corner of the ngal. So there’s really no other option. What I’d propose is an entirely new design, stealing most functions from the ngal. You start by flipping the location of the illuminator with the lasers. Why is the illuminator on the left side?? Its beam pattern is cutting across the profile of your flashlight bezel. Lasers won’t have that problem.. To further improve, the entire system could be shifted to the right a few mm. It doesn’t have to be symmetrically mounted on a picatinny rail. It just has to be compact and work.. The closer inline vertically to the barrel the better. And there should be two controls. One on the back for important controls, and one on top. The one at the back of the device toggles between only 4 functions. Vis Laser, Vis Laser+Vis illumination, IR laser, IR Laser+IR Illumination.. there’s no need for any other setting..The switch on top would be for hi/low power, as that difference is WAY less important to get wrong, and more environmentally dependent, meaning in one particular terrain, it shouldn’t change. If your device is good quality, and its power levels are tuned appropriately, it’s not going to change very often. Power settings should be appropriate for indoor vs outdoor, imo. How is every developer NOT naturally coming to this obvious realization is beyond me. I’m not an engineer and even I know that this is basically the ONLY way it can be done efficiently and compactly, and the controls are usually SO COMPLEX, and hard to use, that they would require 50 hours of training just to have muscle memory. Another thing: I know these systems can be more vertically compact either way little effort. Why aren’t they developers trying harder to make them thinner?? You could shave off 5mm without too much effort at all

[@dmaraschky1]

Huh, I've always just ran my lights on the right side, I am right handed and shoot right handed so this is something I've never thought to be a problem myself

[@Yankeeprepperasshat]

@@dmaraschky1you can run it anywhere, but in my experience, it’s going to need a remote or be super awkward anywhere other than at 10:30. And when you’re looking for speed and don’t want to train hundreds of hours, it’s better to use a remote for vis/ir unit and thumb for flashlight. It’s just easier to wire the brain that way. And I think it’s always going to be faster times, going that route too.