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[@thedarkknight2221]

The question, “You have a chance to save the world but the cost is that you lose the person you love the most in the world after already suffering that pain before”. The answer, the REAL answer, is that both Joel and Marlene made the wrong decision, because that decision should’ve been Ellie’s to make. In The Last Of Us (GAME) podcast Neil Druckman talks about how Joel and Marlene had no right to take that choice away from Ellie. She would’ve said yes, and then Joel would have no choice but to respect her wish. She wanted the deaths of all the people she had lost, Riley, Tess, Henry and Sam, to mean something. Even if it cost her her life. And even though a small part of her knows in her heart that Joel was lying to her she feels that she can’t let herself believe that the only person she loves in the world took away her chance to save the world. Also I love that Ashley Johnson got to play Ellie’s mom Anna. It was a beautiful full circle moment that the woman who plays Ellie in the games played her mother in the show. Plus it shows how Ellie is just like her mother. Also Laura Bailey who played Abby in TLOU Part 2 played one of the nurses in the OR. And it sucks that even though we have to wait a couple more years for season 2, it will be worth the wait! Until then, Endure And Survive!

[@bretbret8293]

Depends on the perspective. Joel would probably off himself except for Tess and Ellie

[@MayhapsYes]

I agree with Achara. They showed enough infected to give a sense of danger. Everything put into character development was great.

[@SyntheticCK]

There's zero guarantee it would have led to a cure.

[@TokuRewinds]

Ashley Johnson also made a small cameo in the first Avengers movie as the waitress Cap saves during the battle of New York

[@shayla7683]

I feel like if they showed anymore infected it would get desensitizing and not threatening because we all know the characters are gonna make it out

[@charanrohith3045]

Yesss!!!!!!

[@Mike90317]

Yeah, like the many battles in the later seasons of GOT.

[@miss.g-shun-w]

That was one of THE biggest complaints about The Walking Dead towards the end. People felt like the zombies really posed no threat and were usually easy to defeat. I firmly believe in less-is-more and when you finally do see a Clicker you appreciate it's presence more and it feels like more of a threat instead of an overused plot device.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

I liked how Bella portrayed Ellie at the end how she feels and her emotions

[@micaeljohnsson5747]

And cordyceps doesnt live in winter. ALOT of the scenes are during winter aswell. So maybe thats why we dont see it out in the wilds

[@PuentesRE]

All I really know, is I'll be thinking about this show for a long time. It was just so good, the creators went above and beyond to create something with so much depth, love and purpose.

[@electricalastro]

you're right about that. and that was the feeling players were left with after playing the last of us 10 years ago. having played it multiple times and again watching the story unfold on the show, still it's so engaging that just makes you think about it

[@zengardengnome]

"Was he right or wrong" is irrelevant. It's a great example of the kind of unease and continued unwanted patterns that persist when we ask the wrong questions. No one was only right or only wrong. There's really no such thing as what definitely should or shouldn't happen. There are infinite unknowns. We genuinely don't know if that doctor could have made a cure, let alone if it could be kept simultaneously safe and truly accessible enough to spread it around. No one knows if Ellie would truly have agreed to die if she knew how much Joel needed her or how wrecked the world was before the apocalypse. Joel isn't interested in saving their world because everyone's definition of "the world" is a little different. We assume his decision has damned the world, when we don't know the long-haul effects because we don't know the variables, who can say what would or wouldn't happen? All we know is that Ellie is upset for a while, and as she gets older and understands that mindset better, she forgives. Arguably too late, but it's never too late to forgive. And because she's willing and able to recognize the consequences, she later learns from Joel's decision and avoids making a similar decision, herself.

[@TastyBeverage]

While I do think that there should have been more Infected, the show Joel said that the Infected weren't a real problem in the midwest. The lack of people and big cities means that its easier to manage in remote areas. The coasts with major cities would still be a huge problem.

[@theeddytor3490]

12:06 it doesn't matter how much time has pass. kids who are S.A. even if they turn 60 year old they can still remember it like yesterday

[@AdrianTCanto]

You guys should listen the oficial HBO podcast with Troy baker and Craig Mazin with Neil Druckmann. They clarify all the stuff and CAN answer your question. So that would finally stop hurting yourself a bit

[@bertinamiller9626]

I frankly am glad as a nongamer that we don't see as many infected in the show because it wasn't about the infected it was about choices made. Great reaction.

[@Wolfhunter5607]

u guys should just listen to the official HBO podcast with troy baker and the creators!!!

[@jake_gon_jinn]

32:20 Look this show is a solid 9.5/10 for me, I loved it. But after the Finale I asked one my friends who has never played the game, what does she think about the show overall. And she answered the exact same thing, she said: "I loved it, but I wished it had more infected (as she stated Zombie) stuff in it. I wanted to see more of them." As someone who played the game I didn't bothered by this, cause we already ran into S many of em in the game, so I was expecting it to be less chaotic than the game. But tbf I think it's true. They could've included more infected in the show.

[@FalconFXICCY]

36:20 -- Well Jaby, let's put it this way: people who don't care about zombies, who aren't fans of this genre, are hooked on this show. And it's not because, or just because, of the zombies. That should tell you all you need to know about the quality of this show.

[@CameronJamesPhillips]

Christ almighty Ryan, there's no infected in that part of the game either. You only deal with hunters during the Jackson level. We don't get infected during Tess' death scene. It's Fedra soldiers we get. So we got more infected in episode 2 than the game. Which makes up for the much less infected we get in Bill's episode as the infected in that part of the game was only for game mechanics and by delaying the bloaters introduction to episode 5, it makes it far more impactful. There's infected in only 1 part of the Pittsburgh section and that's when they have you go through the sewers, which is where the infected are in the show as well. Driven underground. Only Joel and Ellie don't go through the sewers in the show. The only infected that was significantly cut from the show was David's introduction. And it's not something that was entirely needed, hence why it was cut. First because it's clearly expensive to film such a sequence all for the purpose to gain trust between characters when that trust can easily be achieved in much more cost efficient ways. Second, the reason there's infected in that part of the game is because video games have an interactive element that is a requirement of the medium. So to create an interactive element for the purposes of that scene, you are given infected to fight alongside David's character to serve the purpose of starting to trust him. And it's just not needed for a TV show that doesn't require an interactive element. And this idea that seeing less infected in the latter half of the season makes it seem like humanity has the cordyceps under control is an insane overreaction. That is one of the most ludicrous things Ryan has ever said. If humanity had the codyceps under control, none of the communities we've seen throughout the entire show would exist, Fedra would no longer exist. Humanity would be putting itself back together if the thing that ripped it apart was under control.

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

In terms of all the people protecting Ellie, he forgot to mention Henry. He went back for her after the truck exploded and he tragically killed his own brother.

[@hmong1hero]

This episode is like a question I had in High School; you have to choose one of the following; save 300 people on train from a deadly derailment or save a love one from a deadly car accident, what is you choice?

[@phoenixrising8231]

It's the Mr. Spock and a Wonderful life question. Sorry, my first instinct is to save my family. If my house was on fire and I knew it was going to explode. I save my family and pets. Before knocking on my neighbors doors to tell them to evacuate

[@kevincarvalho5054]

I've never played the games and I didn't notice the lack of clickers in the show, but the idea of having more actions scenes without taking from the story or the performances we get seems great to me

[@W92tv]

What nobody noticed; Ellie’s mom is sitting underneath a drawing of a tree in the abandoned house where she is going to give birth. The drawing is meant to represent the tree of life!!!!!!

[@bgt54rfvcde32wsxzaq1]

Never played the game but this show is one of my all time favorites

[@j4r3d29]

8:27 wait I’m so confused… why is he saying Ellie is 15/16 years old? She explicitly states multiple times she’s 14 lol

[@dustfan]

Yeah, Marlene is from the Boston QZ not the Baltimore QZ at least at that point since it would've been 2 years since Baltimore fell. That's why Ellie ended up at the FEDRA school in Boston.

[@Dragonslayer1602]

Let's not forget the parallel of a "parent" forcing/denying what would have been the most important decision of their kid's life

[@ryioelaine]

I haven't played the game and I agree that they could have showed more infected in the show. However, I was not bothered by it that much since the emotional connection was more important for me. Thank you for the reaction!

[@klloydplata4098]

I'm satisfied entertained on watching all The Last of Us video-game Television series live-action video-game adaptation episodes. Wow! Yeeeeessssss!! Overloading with intense dramatic moment scenes that's gonna automatically make you emotional or cry.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

There was a lot of danger from humans as well in the game

[@rhonecherrington2131]

Uh, I disagree, with Achara that is, she's clearly meant to be struggling with killing her friend and doesn't want to...

[@jamesmeechan6983]

I don't think she wanted to say something cause of what happened because she had a feeling or she thought Joel lied to her

[@Homelandz]

I hope they tune up a bit the action/horror aspect for Season 2 but so far I'm delighted with all the characterization and backstory they gave us.

[@williamgreen2949]

They don’t even know if killing Ellie would give the cure. It’s a hypothesis, not a fact. Totally agree with Joel’s reactions until he lies to Ellie, about what happened. I didn’t play the game. Thought the show was pretty good.

[@Maniyanthra]

I agree, if she died and they couldn't find a cure it would be terrible. They should not have rushed her into surgery at the first chance and instead taken time conducting tests and convincing Joel and Ellie.

[@darkguardian50]

Jesus Jaby, sorry that happened to you. Takes a pretty insane amount of strength to just put that out there. But I would venture a guess that it meant a lot for other survivors just the same. Just proves that point that you can never know or assume what someone has been through. Moving on to a less painful topic, some neat little tidbits in here that I missed, this was an interesting watch for sure.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

There was a letter about Ellie's mum in the dlc saying she is nurse l think does anybody remember what it said in the letter or it's just something about her mum in the dlc you can pick a question if you win the competition with Riley to see who can smash the car windows first and you can pick something about her mum l thought it said Ellie's mum was a nurse in it

[@Rellj16]

Joel did the right thing by taking Ellie away, BECAUSE she wasn't given the choice. But killing the doctor and ALSO not giving Ellie the chance to choose AND lying to her, that was where he was wrong.

[@Hananismail619]

I know ashley johnson before last of us game is through the show blindspot a show that also have another actor who played sif in MCU and troy .... Well i know troy's work before last pf us game in ione of my favourite franchise game resident evil in RE6

[@jamesmeechan6983]

Ellie does not know that her mum was the first to die for her unless Marlene told Ellie that her mum died for her that is why Ellie said that about Rilley cause she did not know

[@chipsalom]

There is such great creative cross pollination between Critical Role and their close friends at Naughty Dog, and Troy Baker, etc. These guys really deserve the limelight they're getting in so many ways ATM imo

[@frederickeusebio5153]

I'm unreasonably old so I knew Ashley from Growing Pains.

[@ladrac198]

I could have used more infected and maybe another episode to focus and expand on Joel and Ellie's relationship. Overall though, amazing adaptation and 9/10 from me.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

There was no snow in that bit in the game where you see the giraffe

[@manuelcano8995]

What is the point of a show tv from a video game if they are not diferent? That is the beauty! Am I wrong?

[@bhargavipba]

Its very easy to say that you wouldn't make the same choice, and let someone you love die for the "greater good", but its quite different when you are in the situation. So i don't judge Joel for saving Ellie.

[@miss.g-shun-w]

Jaby you are so precious 12:04 😢💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤ I didn't play the game but I watched the gameplay many times over the years and as a non-gamer maybe that's why I couldn't have cared less about there being more or less Clickers. In the words of Bill: "I was satisfied" with the amount shown but I was more in tune with the emotional side of the storytelling like Achara said. I got the impression that the show was conveying that humans are more dangerous than even the Cordyceps, which I think Joel even says, so I feel like them showing less Clickers and more of the danger that humans pose also feeds into the need for Ellie to get to SLC and be the cure the world needs. These corrupt people (certain FEDRA QZs, David, raiders, Kathleen, etc) thrive in this broken world and they're just as much of a reason for her to get this done. Restoring law and order.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

Ashley Johnson was also in a TV series called blindspot l liked her in that l thought she was good in that and l liked her in what women want with Mel Gibson she was his daughter in it it came out in 2000

[@umwelten988]

I know her from Blindspot

[@SE-gs6gd]

So sorry Jaby

[@klloydplata4098]

There is two Marvel's Avengers video-game voice-casts in this Most Anticipated and Must-watch The Last of Us video-game Television series live-action adaptation: Troy Baker and Laura Bailey.

[@jayngb]

& from just a naughty dog standpoint, Nolan North is also in that game

[@tankelvin3874]

Wow, first comment. Great job and thank you for all the TLOU content!

[@mithunpv662]

Only knew her from Avengers

[@umwelten988]

I am 100% percent on Joel's side.

[@chipsalom]

My answer to the baby Hitler question is, if I could go back in time, I'd remove him from the environment that created him as an adult, try to change the influences he was exposed to, and know there would be a different result with him... While also knowing the economic, cultural and national circumstances that led to the rise of fascist Nazism might lead to a different flavor of the same outcome, Hitler or not.

[@sujoydutta920]

Well you can talk to me I haven't played the game and I was a little disappointed with the ending the expectation was higher and I wanted a more stronger emotional scenes and clickers, wanted a longer episode probably could have ended with a cliffhanger with Jackson that would have been a fun

[@joliysgriver1247]

Carnival Row, I advise the series, you will not lose. The second season has just been released. It will be interesting. Enjoy watching.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

Thought we got plenty of scenes with Joel and Ellie some of the scenes in the game might not be in the show

[@jamesmeechan6983]

Marlene did not shoot Anna the first time she asked her to shoot her

[@1wayroad935]

We'll never really know if Joel was right or wrong. He didn't resolve the argument, he ended it.

[@ghostlee6434]

People are never satisfied. One of the biggest gripes from the walking dead was people you liked were killed off without developing them and over abundance of zombies but that's what happens it the real world people die when you don't think they should and now you have storytelling with characters and they dialed the clockers down a bit and we're still not satisfied. Makes me think that the reason adaptations sometimes fail isn't the fault the story but our need to have everything 100% perfect. If it strays to far to the left or right now it's sucks and the worst adaptations ever.we decided that a show sucks in one episode without giving it a chance to grow. All lot of show from the past were given time to develop and some are considered the greatest shows on tv.wriyers were given the chance to change arcs and storytelling but after one or two episodes now it's cancelled. I'm glad this show is above the criteria of what was expected

[@jamesmeechan6983]

What did you want hordes of infected in every episode

[@j4r3d29]

Wait wtf Achara was on Fringe?! With Anna Torv?!?

[@johnleoalgo9692]

And there lies the problem: these fools are holding it against the show for a perceived lack of Infected, which they claim is part of the charm of the game. There's your hint right there: the game. For gameplay purposes, there really would be quite a lot of Infected. For a series, it is unnecessary to have that many Infected, especially if Joel is supposed to be this wise survivalist. I mean, "The Walking Dead" was criticized for having the walkers feel not threatening for a long time because they are overexposed to the audience. You can't have double-standards around here.

[@jamesmeechan6983]

I don't think she told Joel

[@sujoydutta920]

The Jurassic Park reference was way obvious man

[@kushalamruthraj3626]

Even In Hindu mythology Krishna was orphaned as soon as he was born as well as karna

[@theeddytor3490]

31:50 i understand you bruh.... like the show didn't give much of a crisis feeling to judge whether joel's action were justified. rather people who have played game they know the gravity of the situation. because people spend more than 10 hours to play this game 😂they have dealt with clickers... bloaters.. while side by side following the main purpose of the game.... so for gamers it is little tiny bit of disappointment. without showing the threat how am i (viewer with no gameplay) suppose to know the actual value of ellie's life in perspective to Marlene and for Joel.... i knew this was a shortcoming we would get from this show but i still love it....

[@Silver-rx1mh]

"Where's all the clickers" See those people over there? Thats the production accountants. Have it out with them hon. I think they'll tell you this series is not made of money.....lol

[@friendlyatheist9589]

dots related to marleen's selfishness is totally BS. although we support joel but marleen was right in the moment she was thinking in wider context while joel in selfish narrow context. ellie would have accepted to sacrifice her for betterment of humanity. it's interesting we trying to justify any action just because we support that person. human nature and herd mentality in evolutionary inherent to us. trying to connect marleen ending life of ellie's mom with sacrificing ellie is false equivalence since that was ellie's mom asked marleen didn't just shot her in self interest. marleen was better person. period (go outrage)

[@ouandello]

Idc, Joel was right. Humanity is not worth "saving" lol. Maybe except Achara

[@nikdik154]

That's such a one dimensional way of seeing things. Humanity is not worth saving? Who are you to decide that? Or say it even? There are innocent people suffering because of that naivety from world leaders. Every human is worth saving. That's what defines a species, saving an unprivileged life. Joel was wrong. He wasn't right at all. And even if he were, saying humanity isn't worth saving is so naive.

[@アキコ2003]

I really hope they actually show more infected in season 2. Even though it should've been the other way around, the first game/season should've focused way more on the infected while season 2/the second game should focus more in humans and the characters

[@Blinkptx]

Hard disagree. The story is 90% of why the first game is even good. Without that, it's basically just another zombie game. I'm happy with what we got, and that the story was front and center.

[@nongmaithemavinash3977]

Season 2 will be having more infected.

[@pranav.k1562]

I somewhat like TLOU 2 , but prepare for a lot of controversy. People are going to get their pants bunch.

[@athr3582]

You're shallow but it's ok mate, WE ARE ALL SHALLOW

[@lopemac]

Like watching breakdowns, but having things like an actress from the game be in the show isn't an "easter egg" 😆 The definition of easter egg has just been skewed.

[@laurenbendik2006]

Non-game player here…I loved this show. One of my fave shows ever. It was so emotionally impactful, that like achara, i didnt even notice the lack of infected later in the show. Like jaby, I wanted more of joel and ellie after he rescues her. That ending was too abrupt for me. I didnt like what joel did at the end…Im someone that believes in doing whats best for the greater good, so i thought he was being really selfish and messing everything up.

[@hayderneamah1323]

I still can't understand people who don't see Joel decision is wrong.he acted based on his feelings and past trauma not reason yes we understand his motives and pain but doesn't mean he isn't wrong. Marlene is the good guy here her only crime was taken the choice from Ellie compare to the massacre Joel did that's will come to wreck havok on everyone in part 2, Which the beauty of this game/show . Stan Lee said once " the best villains are the villains that you sympathise with" Another example last year with Wanda being a loved villain in doctor strange 2.

[@msalvarez74]

Are you guys ok? Why am I feeling a slight tension bwtn you two? Hope it's nothing.

[@klloydplata4098]

Ashley Johnson is already attractive uniquely extraordinary amazing jaw-dropping hypnotic beautiful lady or feminine woman Hollywood actress as well as voice-actress when she makes an appearance or cameo in MCU's Marvel Studios Avengers first film (2012)

[@jamesmeechan6983]

They did not do away with it they had enough infected there you so your sure everybody that watches it won't get tired of watching infected in every episode if that is what you are talking about they should have put infected in every episode l don't think that l think it's about the characters not the infected

[@TheBlackbirdFly]

For me, someone who has never played the game, this show desperately needed more time between Ellie and Joel. More little moments, more moments of him teaching her, having her grow on him. Episode 3, though beautifully acted and written, took time away from our main characters. Episode 7 was the weakest episode and took even MORE time away from Joel and Ellie. We either needed more episodes, or we needed to make sure the focus stayed on Joel and Ellie in all episodes instead of side characters/flashbacks. I do think that we needed more Clickers because it doesn't feel like there was enough of an obvious threat to really justify attempting a cure. On the other hand, they would need to be very careful with that because you don't want to go the way of The Walking Dead. In the end, I don't think Joel or Marlene was right. However... I feel like I probably would have made SOME similar choices as Joel if I were in his boots. Marlene wasn't giving Ellie a choice either and it's very difficult to see a bigger picture when your entire world is the one person who could possibly save others. Lastly, I think it's also important to point out that making a cure from Ellie is realistically all theoretical. They have no actual proof that they can make it. They have no guarantee that they can widely distribute said cure even if they can make it. Ellie could have died on that operating table for absolutely nothing and Joel would have lost her and Marlene would have failed Anna. Not to mention, at the very beginning of episode 2, the answer from someone who studied fungal infections most of her life says the answer is to start bombing, that there is no cure. Now, it's possible this doctor could have had access to tools and research and such over the past 20 years, especially if he was with FEDRA, but considering Ellie is the very first person they've found to be immune, there can't be much, if any research. A cure being made from Ellie is probably unlikely.

[@alcoholbeforedinner4151]

2nd comment 🤣👊

[@shakplay3992]

well if i have chance to go back in time then i wont kill baby hitler, but i will take him and give him proper education far from racism.

[@Nemisis007]

Same, I'd make sure he made it through art school and had a healthy understanding of politics.

[@nikdik154]

From what I'm seeing, there is no pleasing gamers. They want gameplay to be adapted and that's just not happening. I love both the games but Jaby and co need to understand this is a completely different medium. They sprinkled the infected throughout brilliantly and that's how it should be done. The storytelling and characters are always the main thing, and having infected almost every episode would ruin that. We got the point of the infected and it's basically background characters and that's fine. We got more and more stuff in the first half and that was enough to set them up.

[@txar622]

Btw that giraffe was a real giraffe, not cgi Here's a video link of that sequence kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqSQqJqmatyGatU