late 70's Q cab Leyland and David Brown compared

Comparing a similar age Leyland and David brown ##(Edit remembered leyland did have wet brakes before the yellow ones but only the 2 6cyl models 285 and 2100)###
How selectomatic and 4way valve works 4:35
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[@arwelagrimachinery]

###(Edit I forgot about the 2x 6cyl leyland models , 285 and 2100 that had wet brakes before the yellow 804 type)

[@charleswelch249]

Both are good general tractors for daily use. I think David Brown had 2 advantages , stronger front axle and easy starting in cold weather. But Layland has a better setup for the 3 point hitch control. Being American I don't understand why they don't allow use of remote and 3 point at the same time. It's unnecessary to have to select what you need to use before using it. All hydraulic systems should function symotaniosly no matter what. Even a tractor from Russia and China have that functionality. Always make me wonder why they made it so overly complicated to use. But I love my David Brown 990 and won't trade it for anything because it's dependable and strong for it's age. Thanks for sharing your Tractors with us.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh, a British Ford or Massey Ferguson the same age have separate spool valves, DB and Leyland were a bit slow to update things e.g. brakes, pto clutch, hydraulics. The later Case (DB) and yellow Marshall/Leyland did have spools though

[@charleswelch249]

@@arwelagrimachinery I like the Ford Ferguson tractors. But the Ferguson system lifts always left me chaining up the lift because they got weak. Running a brush cutter and plow always left me stranded until it cools down. I'd buy a IH or Deer because the hydraulic system was strong and reliable for constant usage. Everything has a strong point. Ford's and Ferguson tractors don't get hung up in the swamp but they don't have enough strength for the rest of the job. But comfort is not good with IH or Deer but very durable. I have found my Case/ David Brown is a compromise for power and fuel efficiency. Still could be more versatile in the hydraulic system but it's reliable and strong. But any tractor today is just a nightmare with computer control and expensive to repair. Love the simple old tractor of the past when they were made by people. Thanks for letting me rant 😂.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

@charleswelch249 old TO20 ? If the same as the TE20 British version, the PTO shaft ran the hydraulic pump , switch that off the impliment soon comes down 🤣 . Kverneland in Norway (?) Made a latch to hold 3pl up while transporting 1 of their ploughs . Later Massey 35 had the hydraulic pump driven off the pto, but it was in front of the sector for having it Turning at the back so they solved that problem

[@phillipcleaver7063]

Hello , I have had both a Leyland , then ( now ) a D.B. , the cab on my d.b. is the Danish Sekura one , it,s far more spacious than the Airflow Victor cab was on m,y 272 , but it,s one n oisy devil , both the engines are good starters , Leyland & D.B. , neither of them guzzle fuel too badly , but for me the Leyland engine is streets ahead in build technology , as it,s a 5 bearing engine with a crank balancer on , this is why it just sings , the D.B. has it,s own characteristic nasal chortle about it , a bit like a small version of a Scania truck , but a word of warning for all you remaining Leyland devotees out there , if your battery ( volts ) gauge sinks down even just the once for no explainable reason , thoroughly inspect all the heavy wiring harness work underneath the front of the cab , it,s a bitch to get at , you,d probably be better off fully removing the whole cab , so you can clearly see it , look for any points of chafing on the heavy , usually brown power supply cables running to & from the starter & ignition switch , also the alternator . If it,s less than perfect , strip the whole lot out & renew it , find a way of housing it inside trunking , not easy as there,s very little room under there , an excellent idea is to fit a battery isolator switch as close as possible to the battery positive terminal , this could stop a terrible electrical fire , I now also carry a fire extinguisher in the cab , fixed in . I wish I,d still got my old lass , she went straight up in flames & smoke & I just couldn,t save her . Bloody invisible electrical short buried underneath the cab , I never once took the cab right off , or I,d have seen it . Never modified the wiring either ( never sleeved it in trunking ). Learn from my experience . Battery isolator switches & a good fire extinguisher .

[@jimmymannion6874]

David brown 💪💪

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh i quite like the big wings in the cab and rasp sound reving the 996

[@simonpalmer8033]

I prefer the Leyland.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Only shame is it isn't a synchro model would be the cherry on the cake

[@paulthompson8467]

I would prefer the brown over the Leyland was almost killed on a Leyland 384 carting barley the brakes were awful when they got hot no wonder they went bankrupt

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh both of the makes were verry slow to improve the brakes

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Sorry to hear that, hope you came out unscathed?

[@paulthompson8467]

@@arwelagrimachinery no injuries but scared the life out of me

[@georgedoorley5628]

both were good in their day .......but a fiat 780 would run rings around them .........!

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Not a big fan of driving the proper Fiat's tbh , but to be fair they are reliable things have good brakes and nicer cab , the Italian tinwork and clutches (usially don't last that long on stockman loader tractors) only weak points though

[@Kumpulanperinnetila]

Never had any interest to Meltham mill stone -factory products. Leylands were always better starters, they got more road speed and lot of ground clearance. Also if you put 2x4" to cut to road DB is pushing it like dog with its nose, Leyland's very light nose jumps over it = very capable at forests and very good tractiom when ploughing.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Ah i see must be reason leyland came with the built in weight frame

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh the 2 were brought on trailer home and the leyland was heavier than the DB even though it had a loader

[@arwelagrimachinery]

The same hill near home with same low loader and tractor, 1 gear slower with leyland

[@astonmcleod5344]

Of course by today's standard the cabs are a bit rough, but compared to be sat on a Fordson major in march in the open, the early Q cabs were absolute luxury

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Yes Dry , Quiet and safe , earlier cabs didnt give as much shelter/luxury and would make you deaf

[@paulowen-iy6vm]

One key thing to check on all old tractors is the gearshift gaiters. Damaged gaiters is the main cause of water ingress to the transmission/hydraulic oil, and the main cause of internal corrosion because split gaiters were common on most old tractors, even new ones dontt last long and something that gets neglected.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

1 thing good thing with the Quiet cabs is you have 2 layers of protection plus less sunlight 👍

[@arwelagrimachinery]

It's a shame the metal cup that Fordson/ford used to cover the gearstick hole wasn't adopted by other makes

[@vallerinsheichersh1272]

good tractors made in uk ! bad that the uk s farmers buy only usa and bosch tractor !!!!

[@paulowen-iy6vm]

I worked for a dealer on both brands. Each tractor brand has advantages and disadvantages, I liked them both in different ways. The DB seemed to suit a certain type of gentleman farmer, the leyland was a strong workhorse., certainly less likely to get stuck. Probably the best feature of the Leyland was the engine. Sweet and smooth. And good low end torque, they would pull strongly from 1200 rpm upwards, Good starters too, especially the older ones with an inline fuel pump. Of that time the Leyands had the sweetest engine, just ran better than the fords, or Perkins Not many people know that the 262 and 272a exactly the same engine, just a different fuel injection pump setting. Early 262 models had higher compression pistons to aid cold start, so resetting the fuel pump to 272 setting (a fuel shop job) would give a 262 closer to 75 hp

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Yes the DB definitely needs a more caring home with a more ticklish hydraulic system that needs nice clean oil and the king pins can seize up with lack of grease

[@colmanlong1032]

If U had to choose,would you pick the 5 bearing crank over the 3.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

@colmanlong1032 5 , just a better/stronger job , I will say though its the bigger 4cyl tractors like the 1210/12 , 1410/12 that are more likely to snap the 3 bearing cranks, the smaller/lower Hp 990-996 are quite good tbf . They even had to reduce HP from the 1410/12 (91hp) to the later 1490 (83hp) / 1494 (85hp) , most likely due to that weakness.

[@johnsweeney1712]

Great video. Very educational and interesting. Keep up the good work.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@MarshallSmart]

I have a 1974 996 which I am bring back in to use slowly. Quite a few differences on your later model. 4 way valve on hydraulics where 3 way on mine. You still have the valve chest for controlling the hydraulics. Most complicated thing on the tractor. Have a new video every Saturday. The DB 996 I have sat at the sea side for 2 years doing nothing and caused quite a few problems. I would say the 1974 is les complex than yours. Have a look some time M 😀

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Yes that 3 position part is the "Selectamatic" that came out on the 1st white 880, 990 and lasted until the end

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Lot of work welding the tinwork id imagine, the DB's dont need much excuse for the unloading valve to stick tbh (lets the linkage go down)

[@MarshallSmart]

I have done away with it and have a double spool valve working the lift up and down and flow and return tipping pipes. @@arwelagrimachinery

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Oh ie because my 996 has a cab with its own floor the lever for hydraulic valve is on a pivot so the positions for things i said will be reversed compared to 1 you sit on the casting and grab the valve lever direct

[@Johndonvan861]

DB all the way

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh i quite like the rasp sound of the 996 reving

[@bradleamon4466]

Me to

[@bradleamon4466]

That's exactly what I think db all the way

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Best gearboxes on the planet

[@michealbradley8510]

Zetor cabs are a way better than these two yokes people complain about getting into davin brown narrow small cabs and the leyland is some bit more room than the david brown

[@michealbradley8510]

Zetor tractors were still better than these two yokes a head of their time

[@EoineyMTX125]

Great video how do you reckon an IH 574 would have held up against them

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Thank you👍 . Pretty similar spec wise really and their own engine, etc like the other 2 but foot brakes way ahead , the independent clutch pack pto is a better/more advanced job rather than the dual clutch. Id have to say more reliable engine (DB suffer with crank problems and Leyland liner problems) , maybe starting not as good as the leyland it goes 1/2 a turn if im moving it in winter

[@arwelagrimachinery]

The DB has 2 speed pto and synchro gears standard like the IH and the leyland has the pickup hitch and power steering standard like the IH and DB (option for synchro gears on leyland) so similar specs really but the leyland and DB use a dual clutch with hand clutch for pto plate and the IH has a separate wet clutch in the backend like a Ford run off the hydraulic oil and the IH foot brakes are wet disc brakes like a Ford too which are a much better job for working and lasting but the IH handbrake which is a brake band in the gearbox is a poor job , worse than DB/leyland in that way

[@colmanlong1032]

Ih brake band does work ,but of course everyone forget to release it before takeoff and that was kaputt,including my self.but I'd have ih 574 before any of them.

[@wanemergency3591]

Leyland every time. But I do like a brown. Owned a few. And a few Leyland and Marshall tractors

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Have to say yellow Leyland/ Marshall's were fair tractors they were too late comming to save Bathgate though

[@arwelagrimachinery]

I think after leyland used the sekura explorer cab 1st , DB decided to fully make their own coppy of the cab for the 90 series that wasnt quite the same in the side windows and split in the middle, bit random but bit of a connection

[@wanemergency3591]

@@arwelagrimachinery yeah I have to agree. And Marshall basically took on a 20 year old design. Same tractor slightly bigger cc engine and better gearing. They could have made it. Unfortunately for David brown. They sold Aston Martin to buy case. But the bank of England didn't have the money to give them. The international bought case and 3 years later bought David brown. How it could all have been different

[@wanemergency3591]

@@arwelagrimachinery same cab. But the David brown cab split to fit under low roofs. The Leyland/Marshall cab didn't. So the glass in the windscreen side windows and back window was 1/¼ inches smaller in the David brown variation

[@arwelagrimachinery]

@@wanemergency3591 no DB were in big dept so sold their Tractors/machinery to Tenaco who had bought Case already and sold Auston martin as well (DB Gears still going) then tractors became Case DB then Tenaco bought IH and turned into Case IH then Tenaco sold Case IH to Fiat

[@michealbradley8510]

You just said it hard to get in the david browns just buy a zetor they are better standard with air compressor air brakes for trailers and plenty room in cab to get in and out hydrulic pto in the zetor cystall range and a better multi power then the massey yokes and zetor cabs are sealed up with foam under the floor for low noise and some zetor models had frount suspention so melt down the david brown and leyland into channel iron

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Thats fair enough 8011 fairly ahead of everyone else in options/comfort , even a passanger seat and option of front axle suspension on the kingpins

[@CORRIGEEN71]

David brown cabs are terrible

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Ford and MF ahead at the time really with the specifically designed Q cabs , leyland and DB just Modified their safely cabs to be quieter , but the DB you do have to twist about and bang your shoulder or knee getting through that door

[@colmanlong1032]

Have all leyland got diesel tank in front of rad.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Good question, no the 154 (BMC mini) has a tank behind engine and the 6 cylinder 285 and 2100 have the tank behind the cab like a International Harvester or Fiat

[@TheRadioStu]

Nicely done!

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Thank you 👍

[@jamesburrow6361]

My dad has 4 Q cab machines, a 885, 995 x2 and 1410, although the cabs aren't that spacious they are brilliant o work with. I never have and wouldn't mind trying a Leyland though.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Yes the VQ with the wider doors or the sekura OPU are better cabs really , bit of a knack/squeeze getting into the safety /q cab

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh i quite like the 1410, a usefull size/power and good wet brakes, the 1210/12 and 1410/12 , getting a bit of a rarity too in good/wprking order

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbh the cream of the crop is probably the leyland/marshall 804, nice big cab, 4wd , wet brakes and a 4cyl turbo with plenty of turbo sounds

[@arwelagrimachinery]

But a case 1494 is just the same spec as a 804 tbf

[@davidisherwood7458]

The cab on a Leyland always stinks of brake fluid and burnt brake or clutch lining

[@faithinjesusandfunwithfifa]

I learned to drive in a layland wow loved this vid

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Thank you , you must be a pilot like Donkey262 was saying about 😂

[@tractor0827]

Great video

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Thank you 👍

[@theballyglassfarm2448]

Massey Ferguson 265 all the way to town

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Tbf the 265 and 565 had good wet brakes , shame Leyland and DB were so slow to catch up with that

[@265justy]

Give me a Ford 4000 or 4600 over these 2 any day.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

4600 Q cab would definitely be more spacious, better brakes and pto pack tbf , but double the money too is bother 😂

[@265justy]

@@arwelagrimachinery How about the Fritzemeir cab.Lots off space in them but still a little noisy on the inside. . Most off the 7A Fords in Ireland had the Fritzemeir as opposed to the Q, Duncan or Fieco. The Lambourn was also spacious.

[@arwelagrimachinery]

@@265justy didnt have those here tbh, was the smaller 4100 that usually had the lambourne , 4600 Q cab would have been the ford equivalent to the 996 and 262 , shame i dont know o f a ford 4600 , massey 565 and IH 574 Q cab i could borrow for the whole late 70's line up

[@arwelagrimachinery]

@@265justy think Fieco only fitted for 6 months or so before the Q cab was ready , have seen a couple of Duncan cabs but quite rare tbh

[@265justy]

@@arwelagrimachinery apperantly there was a delay with delivery off Qcabs in 1975 when the first 7A Series off Ford's came out. I think the Q cabs came from Denmark.. Correct me if I'm wrong. So Fiecos were used at the beginning. Your spot on there. 👍🏻.