Late Kick Live Ep 513: ACC Implosion Ahead | SEC QB Ratings | Dabo vs The Portal | Big Ten Snapshot

Late Kick Live Ep 513 features Josh Pate taking a look at the post-spring Big Ten snapshot. Should Ohio State be the overwhelming favorite? What will Michigan and Penn State look like? Can USC or Oregon make an early statement in their new conference? Bold Prediction season continues as we look at what you’re willing to put your money on this fall. Could Florida win 8+ games? What about Arizona winning the Big12 or Oregon having a dominant defense? We also take a look at future NFL mock drafts and dive into what they may be telling us about the College Football Playoff. Next Josh takes a look at Dabo Swinney’s latest comments about the Transfer Portal plus we discuss the future of the ACC as a whole. Be sure to let us know what you think, SUBSCRIBE to the channel, and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@LateKickwithJoshPate]

Keep the show free - Subscribe to the channel and LIKE the video! - JP

[@messagetous]

Trust Tyler from Spartanburg 😀

[@travisshuttleworth630]

New here, but I have a bold prediction for you: OSU goes 3-0 again Oregon this season! O-H!!

[@calebwilliams3253]

Listened to this while my 3rd son was delivered 5/17/24 8:25 am

[@richardbrookins5406]

Anything to take your mind away from what is happening in the other room. Been there, done that so CONGRATULATIONS on the birth of your son.

[@lanejohnston3785]

Congratulations bro

[@maadfish1047]

This may be one of the best shows I’ve seen in a while. You don’t miss already, but this one was special. (Yes, I have already requested off of work the week of the 19th.)

[@garrettrhyne4786]

Thank you for all the love for the Hokies🦃🦃, I’m hoping we can have you in Blacksburg this year…

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Twisters and College Football 25 both come out the day before my birthday! 😃👍👍

[@erikjohnson6302]

Pate is the ultimate fence sitter

[@blakehancock1691]

He just ranked all the QB rooms in the SEC. How’s that fence sitting

[@keithconnell8460]

@@blakehancock1691 I don't think that's what he's referring to. I agree with the overall statement, though. Pate's no different than any other college football content creator out there. Their opinions are all the same opinion. There's too much money involved in actually being honest about anything. I preferred the show a lot more when it was independent. Now it's all talking points. The same ones you get from all the other guys. It's just packaged a little differently.

[@EKthaPK]

Dabo is the only P4 coach in America who offers a true 4 year scholarship. I am not a Dabo fan, but he is serving a niche that no one else has the conviction to do the right thing anymore because of NIL.

[@joelh.cooper5276]

Hey Josh, this week, listening from Iaşi, Romania 🇷🇴. Thanks for the great show!

[@RiverStram]

Jackson Arnold will make you a believer soon enough

[@adrianschroeder2798]

Very excited for Twisters and EA CFB coming back thanks for the advice

[@gnorley]

Where did FSU with 10 draft picks last year fit into your predictions? Just curious if you added transfer portal into the mix.

[@AuburnMan]

Carful Josh, PT might surprise you this year. 🦅

[@danielmonyhan7834]

Imagine having the accomplishments of Dabo and somehow you seem to hear people putting him on a hot seat. What I love about him is his heart is always in it and he is not afraid to show it.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

His accomplishments are 6 and 8 season ago, and he's actively handicapping his program for 100%, high school-recruited, 9 and 10 win "culture".

[@theread3480]

@@EulogyfortheAngelsHe won 2 national championships and went a decade plus of double digit win seasons. The only school to match or succeed that in cfb history is Nick Saban Alabama.

[@TheSpreadCFB]

I can’t wait for July 19th for twisters and the game Man what a day

[@txoutlaw1984]

Josh again Sleeping on Michael Hawkins at OU as the backup. The staff is in love with him.

[@Hotmenudo]

Hey Josh solid episode. I think a cool way to incorporate Fan Duel into the show w/fan interaction would be a "Bold Bets" segment, where people (voluntarily & responsibly) put their money where their mouth is on these bold predictions of theirs and place a bet using fan duel, then submit proof of that transaction. You can incentivize as you see fit. Bold predictions are fun but it's always spicier when there's real skin in the game. Keep up the great work!

[@tomroberts9794]

Dabo is free to do what he wants. I'm a Nole and glad Norvell has tapped the portal. Everything is revealed in time.

[@DirectLineK9]

FSU and Clemson should become part of PateState. That would be the toughest conference in NCAA.

[@andrewretherford8622]

Ya know who else had 10 picks and the most in the top 100… FSU. Might’ve been tied for 2nd most in top 100 but you get my drift

[@phillipalexander7862]

They would’ve lost by 30+ to any of the playoff teams if you get my drift

[@andrewretherford8622]

@@phillipalexander7862 nah, they beat Washington and Texas. Lose to Michigan

[@TheDrRJP]

Clemson was a mess last year.

[@meatthenole5601]

Hey Josh!!! How many players got drafted from FSU?!

[@fsugnome]

Doesn't fit the narrative

[@spacemanspliff4949]

I already took off july 19th and 22nd off of work. 4 straight days baby!

[@JC-fz2pv]

I like how the use the marathon example....when men run much faster marathon times lol.

[@Dragon4Fire]

Josh could have used a way better buffet than Golden Corral as analogy

[@brianroyster7510]

Ron White has the Golden Corral joke's covered.

[@jasonarreguin5315]

Year 19th for beck too

[@tjm745]

That plan isn't bad at all. 7/19 LET'S GO!!

[@tnjrcfl1]

Not had a game system since OG x box. I'm getting one and this game this summer. It better not disappoint is all I'm saying

[@johnlee7085]

The third group of ACC teams reminds me of half of the PAC12. Brett Yormark is way ahead of the game in reworking the media contract. Beside leap frogging the PAC12, he negotiated the contract to have it scalable for adding teams. Maybe OSU, wsu, can rejoin cal, Stanford and the others pulling the pillow over their heads in forming an all coast conference.

[@thetony5474]

If Alabama sort out those low snaps then that’s half the battle won with Milroe.

[@thelifeofdustinandallison]

Go Dawgs! Sic Em!

[@edwinthorpe2663]

The UA schedule shows that Kansas State game on a Saturday though?

[@benjimankimbrough449]

If the ACC was smart they’d merge with the Big 12. That conference would be unbelievably good in multiple sports!

[@danieljenkins2522]

Don’t know if the BIG12 would even want all those teams. Doubt schools like Boston college or Georgia tech would even make it out of that.

[@benjimankimbrough449]

That'd give the lower level schools in the big 12 some more competition. Plus That'd be a hell of a way to replace OU and texas who just walked.

[@jacobringenwald]

That Arizona Kansas State game isn't going to be counted as a conference game

[@danwebb1756]

I do think the Hokies will surprise people this season. Good call

[@mpegvdo]

1080p or higher video resolution please. Thanks.

[@davidmills454]

Question: Why, in betting, does the - sign mean something “better” than a + sign? Doesn’t make sense to a non-bettee as myself …

[@jacobmenchaca1411]

As a BSU fan I think Josh is right about some hesitancy with Green - had flashes of throwing well, but most of the time that was when the running backs were dominating the game. He actually lost the starting job mid/mid-end of season before the back up got a knee injury that took him out of the game. He also had great OC while at Boise Dirk Cutter former NFL OC/HC who came back to his coaching roots, for 1 season and then Bush Hamden who was the OC at Mizzu before coming back for a year to where he played in college and was just hired at Kentucky. He is extremely athletic when he gets the ball in open space, but not sure how well that will transfer to the SEC where players are likely a step quicker and hit harder

[@Wetrockstah2116]

If Brock vandergriff is just a tad bit better than Devin Leary Kentucky will be a problem this year. The defense is gonna be strong, and I expect it to be a top 3 unit in the SEC this season, especially on the front 7.

[@richardcordella4147]

I love the science that goes into predicting the national championship in May, but do we realize we are essentially letting the NFL media predict the natty? No wonder it was wrong last year!

[@Fluffylife420]

First off, love your show, watch all the time, first time commenting. I want to bring up a comment you made concerning Arch being the best backup QB in the country. How can you even state that? Spring game? Their defense was very soft in coverage. Imo, that was done on purpose, to try and continue to keep him happy. There’s a few QB’s that will be sitting behind last year QB, that have experience, and clearly would be better at this point. Heck, Lagway/Raiola, are just as talented, probably more imo, and pretty much have the same amount of game experience as Arch. There’s a few more out there, but I’m more interested in how you came to that result. No disrespect, all love, but I can’t wrap my head around it.

[@pleasenobotsjd1744]

Putting South Carolina/kentucky and A&M so close in qb room rating is absolutely insane. Weigman is 10x more proven and has 5 star ceiling when he’s healthy then the depth is sooo much better.

[@ljhookem14]

What has Weigman done/proven on the field? His last game he was on his way to playing poorly against Auburn before his injury. What bigtime opponent has Weigman been great and the reason aTm won? I will agree the overall room is better than SoCar and KU. I think to be honest for what aTm wants to do offensively, Weigman might not be the perfect fit as he won’t be counted on to do much on the ground.

[@pleasenobotsjd1744]

@@ljhookem14 he was top 5 in qbr through about 5 games last season with a terrible oline. The ole miss a couple years ago he was a stud, Miami he played well but lost, he’s playing really well just lost some close games because of jimbo

[@pleasenobotsjd1744]

@@ljhookem14 plus Kentucky and South Carolina qbs haven’t played more than a couple snaps in a game as far as we know they could be awful, at the VERY least A&M is returning a solid efficient passer of the ball

[@DGolfer60]

I made that pick in the chat 1-2 months ago for my Gators winning at least 8 games, sweeping the state AND also having a better regular season record than USC! So what’s that then a 9.75?

[@terileo1203]

doesnt ACC brain trust have Fiduicary responsibility to work on maximum buyout possible 4 schools who want to leave? Every year that value goes down until GOR runs out and ACC certainly dissolves with them getting zero from leaving Schools.

[@brandoncacioppo]

I was so excited that NCAA was coming back, but it’s not coming out the Switch! Thats ridiculous!

[@RanchoTexano]

Should’ve gone a little deeper on the Aggies QB room. Feels like you missed the mark there on the experience and production there Josh. We will find out in the Fall

[@colesatterfield166]

Michael Hawkins apparently was looking better then Arnold in the spring.

[@raulorozco2526]

No way he thinks higher of nico and arnold than Weigman with more experience.

[@MooreTechTalk]

He sure does and he’s pretty sad. OL has done Weigman the most dirty in all QB comparison conversions.

[@raulorozco2526]

@@MooreTechTalk exactly. He will prove all the doubters wrong with a solid OL

[@johnwhite2890]

2 bold predictions. 1- by the end of the season lagway will be the best backup in the country. 2- Vandergriff will break Kentuckys portal QB woes. Leary and Levis were both garbage.

[@ScrewfacedRenegade]

Believe me, the real one’s DO know about Dylan Lonergan. Best long ball on the team hands down, just lacks mobility and could use work on his short to intermediate throws especially slants.

[@cacogenicist]

Boise State might be the second best offense Oregon plays until the playoffs

[@emmanuelchristian1454]

I disagree with the last segment to an extent. I saw people upset that Travis isn't the ONLY athlete on the cover. Saying that Don Edwards and Quinn Ewers aren't big enough stars to be on the three man cover.

[@dAaronL5]

Just couldn’t remove the label before coming on air huh?

[@matthewcofield6251]

Can’t disagree with the QB rankings. I can’t wait for Auburn to be back in the national conversation again.

[@ljhookem14]

I think 9 wins is the absolute floor for Texas. Michigan, Georgia, OU, & aTm are games Texas “could” lose. Trap games could be Kentucky & Florida who I think will be better this season than what people are expecting. It’s why I’m predicting Florida to make a statement week-3 and thump aTm in B/CS. The problem with beating Texas in 2024 is the opposition will likely need to score 40-50pts every week as their Offense will be so dynamic.

[@shelleymcauliffe1500]

love you Josh, favorite show, but I noticed on Oklahoma you said the QB of the future you dont believe is there... check out Mike Hawkins.. If Arnold was not there right now, hawkins would be QB1 as a true freshmen.. my bold take

[@reeseyspuffs]

FSU isnt going to the big 12 LMAOOOO

[@mitchlemons8379]

Evidently you haven't heard of Micheal Hawkins.

[@darrenfrancis4773]

He always have on a fresh white tee shirt.

[@brianscheffer1007]

Don’t understand why all those WRs went to Auburn with no QB

[@1mgofepinephrine120]

Yes you do.

[@edwinthorpe2663]

Lol. Oregon top 15 in defensive S&P, but still below Northwestern

[@edwinthorpe2663]

Macmillan is a better shot to win the Heisman than Fifita.

[@gwheat63]

So you take no consideration for the system that Thorne was in last season, and the fact that OC was fired and we got one of the top receiver classes of 2024 coming in?

[@noahfourroux9724]

Could late kick get to 300k before kickoff!??!

[@BigSnacks93]

I hear you on that texas qb room having a solid argument for number one. My only contention is the Oregon qb room. Dillon Gabriel is really good as a college qb, and very experienced to boot. And Donte Moore was incredibly decorated coming out of highschool and has starting experience. I'd put Oregon 1a and texas 1b.

[@lespotter2366]

Don't know if this is the place for placing a bold Prediction, but here goes. Clemson will beat the spread in the Georgia game this year (giving it one of it's closest games), go on to win the ACC, and makes it deep in the playoffs this year (2024).

[@theread3480]

That really shouldn’t be a bold prediction with the talent on clemsons roster

[@danieldelk9001]

Bold prediction Florida goes 9-3. With close losses to Tennessee Georgia and Texas. And they make the playoffs.

[@DirectLineK9]

BOLD PREDICTION: PateState goes undefeated this year and takes Championship! 🤘🏽

[@unklerude]

Josh, just curious, the best QB room in the country, with a quarterback whos played, and then the hier apparent, greatest backup ever to stand on the sideline Manning. How many snaps in a real game has he had? None. Got it.....

[@bartthetreeguy4764]

The problem with CFB 25 is it will not be a good game.

[@edwinthorpe2663]

Waiiiiiiit, Civil War is in week 3 this year???

[@Dragon4Fire]

I only believe in science and Saturday

[@shawnclark6927]

how do you judge quarterback rooms and not take the team with 3 qbs with gametime but take texas cause arch had a good spring game finally lol the fuck

[@dswizzwildcat3141]

Cutter boley is the qb of the future at UK and stone Saunders is coming behind him. Should be a 7.5 at least. Cutter was a 5 star before he reclassed to 2024 and became a 4 star

[@johnathanbeicher536]

Funny bringing up Harbaugh & his 2020 class when talking about Dabo. Harbaugh was violating recruiting rules to bring guys in that season. What a horrible example to put on a pedestal.

[@theread3480]

Oh good god Harbaugh bought a recruit some lunch, that was surely the edge Michigan needed to finally get back to national relevancy. I’m sure other schools recruits *cough BAMA cough* driving around Lamborghinis surely wasn’t also a violation of recruiting rules.

[@theJukeboxHero40]

​@@theread3480that's not what happened and you know it. Harbaugh was illegally recruiting during a dead period....the same thing he accused Ryan Day of! He was caught when he bought the recruit a hamburger. The burger isn't the issue, the recruiting is.

[@austinunderwood]

You think Georgia's quarterback is the most important player in the SEC when Vanderbilt has a long snapper to talk about? Josh really needs to think more about his takes

[@srth7140]

I’d take Missouri’s room over LSU’s and ou’s.

[@phillipalexander7862]

😂 Jackson Arnold will be better than any QB Midzou has for the next decade+

[@srth7140]

@@phillipalexander7862 I also tell people I can see into the future but they just call me crazy 😔

[@GT_faithful]

Georgia Tech goes 9-3 with a win over Georgia but still gets left out of the playoffs because "it just means more"

[@timothybates904]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 what’s this guy smoking

[@Carson-Fox]

Nauseating fodder about Va Tech 🤮 Mountaineer fans took that place over in ‘22, when VT was “still bad,” like Josh says their fans still show up. If the turkeys don’t win 9 games w/that WEAK schedule, heads should roll. Not all schedules are created equal. They’d be 6-6 at best w/WVU’s schedule this year.

[@RelaxwithMatt]

BOLD Prediction: Oklahoma goes undefeated in SEC play AND wins the SEC championship in their first season in the league.

[@joep3475]

Josh it’s pronounced O-Veedo Florida the home of the great Tim Tebow come on man you should know this

[@edwinthorpe2663]

Wait are we saying UF will be a touchdown favorite against UCF?? If that happens that is free money and free money doesn't happen so it won't happen. UCF is better than Florida and would be a TD favorite if it was at their field. The swamp is tough but I doubt UF is more than a 3 point underdog and that's if they've already beaten Miami.

[@mikephillips4475]

So Walker Howard is unproven, yet Arch Manning who’s thrown 5 whole passes is already a 10. lol. Oh wait, good spring game vs his own team who can’t touch him. Ok. Same with Lageay. He’s a proven commodity and a true freshman. (I do think he will be good though but I can’t judge on that alone.) PS I’m an Aggie and hate LSU but you need to be more consistent in your evaluation Josh. I still love ya a the show though!

[@rickflowers3304]

Josh i think you're sleeping on Florida brother. That was a bit overrated on the boldness scale for 8-3 this year with the Gators. They have Miami and UCF at home and are close odds with the canes while favored over UCF. On the road against FSU will be tough but they lost a lot of players and their QB is a maybe at best, especially against SEC defense. If Gators win those 3 then the other 5 are not as hard. Samford, Texas am and Kentucky go to Gainesville and are easily winable games so that could be 6. Miss St is on the road but they're not a good team by your own words. That's 7. So they'd only need to beat one of LSU ir Ole Miss both of whom are home in the swamp, or at Texas or neutral against Georgia. I'm thinking home against LSU would be the most likely win and Ole Miss is possible, even Texas on the road is winable,i really don't think they're all that special. 🤔 right now 24/7 composite rankings has Florida 7th overall with incoming talent and much of that are plug n play ready players and that's without being updated to include 5 star cb McClain or number 1 IOL transfer nor the strong wr Elijah Badger who should be signing today as he's 💯 crystal balled to Florida and immediately eligible. Go Gators 🐊 💙 🧡 🏈

[@mswwalker12345]

I would love to support the program through FanDuel, as I already do with Academy. But because my ruling overlords in Alabama think gambling makes God cry, I can't. Find a way around that, FanDuel, and I'm in. Cheers PS Josh, I do not have a job - contract ended. If you need a cybersec guy, gimme a shout

[@BigGotti]

I may not agree with Dabo from afar but I would send both of my kids to play for him in a heartbeat.

[@Joseph-ny5rr]

Just cause everyone else does something does not make it right. Thats my coach 🤷‍♂️ I trust his judgment.

[@jheath7799]

Alabama is about to show yall haters they still king . Milroe is better than beck. Just go watch the Sec Championship game .RTR

[@ROUGHNECK75]

No one feard Bama. They feard Saban. Your reality about to hit you hard.

[@timothybates904]

Brother Alabama isn’t going anywhere we get it. But they won’t have that coaching edge anymore. GO DAWGS

[@Ultra-BLV]

Milroe didn’t even outplay Beck lol. They had identical stats basically.

[@OFWGKTADGD]

So good that his incomplete pass was play of the game....

[@daddylongleg86]

​@@ROUGHNECK75😂😂😂😂 Bama's won a championship in every decade wince God knows win. Saban's the goat, no doubt, but the school has more history in different generations than other programs have history at all.

[@The__Kipster]

This show can't be right because Ohio State fans keep telling me that all of Michigan's best players abandoned ship🤔

[@theJukeboxHero40]

Nobody has said that lol. Post a screenshot of that.

[@The__Kipster]

@theJukeboxHero40 if youtube would allow it i would

[@PhilsHobbyRoom]

Im like the other guy i wish everyone would get off this Dabo thing and worry about there own teams. Clemson has won at least 10 or 11 games every year besides last year which was nine and everyone thinks this portal is magic 🎩 look at teams like Colorado what like 4 games last and 85% of there team was hand picked from the portal. Ive got a bet for anyone that wants to take it Clemson makes it back to the CFP this year and believe it or not im not a Clemson fan my team is in the big12 lol

[@zoam7881]

Sco ducks 🦆🦆🦆

[@terrihammond5951]

Clemson doesn't have big NIL money. This is from a Clemson grad who said this last Christmas. 🤷

[@svenkreuzberg2274]

If you give Miss. State a 5 and Auburn a 5,5 tell me how you get there. Thorne is an absolute failure on any level so far. Shapen at least made it to a Big 12 titlegame. If you watched the spring game there were 40+ yard bombs all over the place. ... and to give TN an 8,5 is mindblowing. Nico threw for 150 yards against a team in IOWA who would not win 5 games in the SEC. He has proven nothing so far. I wish Nico luck and all the best but so far he was a redshirt freshman who has 150 freakin yards against IOWA. Btw Michigan ... The Cheaters winning again ? They shoudnt be even allowed for the next 5 years to participate in any sort of postseason. Their suspect former HC got caught cheating twice in 1 season, sit half of the year and what did the NCAA. They told us all, Cheating will be rewarded we give Michigan a National Title ! Its disgusting !

[@Alescandon135]

I'll save everyone some time so you can skip the SEC QB room rankings: Every SEC team has a great QB room and all unproven QB's are going to work out amazing for everyone.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

Texas made the playoff last year because they played in the Big 12. Georgia, Ohio St and Oregon would’ve all been favored over Texas. They just played in the wrong conference, and Texas played in the right one. TCU made it the year before for the same reason. CFP needs to cover up this Big 12 loophole.

[@philsmith9666]

I remember them beating Bama

[@UTexas03]

Texas beats the SEC champ and you still got people like you touting this “argument” 😂 Take a deep breath and just move on already. It will be okay.

[@IllustratedManOfficial]

Georgia, yes, but Alabama beat UGA and but lost at home to Texas by double digits. Ohio State lost to Michigan, and frankly the B1G 10 is two-team conference. Oregon played in the sinking weak PAC12 and lost twice to Washington. The Longhorns earned their CFP slot. I couldn’t care less if oddsmakers might favor the Buckeyes or the Ducks over Texas. Meaningless.

[@meatthenole5601]

Bro, USF almost beat Bama. Auburn almost beat Bama. Bama got lucky as hell against GA. Let’s stop pretending Bama was all that great. Texas lost to OU and beat an absolutely terrible team in the Big12 championship.

[@RadicallyOptimistic]

The Pac 12 was way better than the Big 12 last year. Yes Texas beat Bama. But they were basically a lock to make the playoffs after that because the Big 12 is so bad. OSU should’ve had Texas spot because they lost by 6 to the champs.

[@jayboogie1295]

When a program has a policy of not taking transfers, it tells HS recruits that they will get a shot and not have some portal kid replace them at any given time. I think it helps HS recruiting

[@cacogenicist]

Negated by NIL bucks.

[@mythiccx7434]

I don’t see how you have Bama under Georgia

[@johnathanhust4587]

Which qbs played better than carson Beck last year? How could you say he wasn't elite? If Beck had declared this past year he would've been the best qb in the class. And is no doubt #1 overall pick next year.

[@RushedPhenom]

Julyteenth

[@messagetous]

Overall, the QB position is DOWN. I don't believe Beck, Milroe, Ewers, Howard, Carter, Klubnick, ... are capable of WINNING all of their games and a Natty.

[@tannerjones6564]

Bad take

[@theread3480]

Last year was a perfect storm of traditional amazing 3 year guys and guys who found their stride later in their career with the aid of the Covid eligibility extensions. We probably will never see 6 QB’s get taken in the first round again unless another world changing event grants extra eligibility to players.