LattePanda v UDOO x86 Advanced Plus

[@delmonti]

Another example of how to make an informative, clear and entertaining KZbin video. Brilliant split screening examples too.

[@regularfella]

Based on your reviews I just purchased a Raspberry Pi 3 today, then I saw this video. The way you explained it makes a whole lot of sense. I don't need an uber-powerful SBC. I already have a gaming PC for that. I'm sure I'll be happy with the Pi3. Thanks for the video!

[@ExplainingComputers]

The Pi 3 is indeed a great SBC, and I'm sure that you will be happy with it. :)

[@perrymcclusky4695]

Stephen Wilson I've had a couple of Raspberry Pi 3s for a few months now and have really enjoyed exploring what the little SBCs can do. I hope you will enjoy yours as much as I have mine!

[@ProDigit80]

You can do 480p gaming on most of these.

[@perrymcclusky4695]

Responding to jimmy87251's PPI3's stability issues, of the two PIs I have, I have run one for hours at a time and it has crashed very few times. My other one looks to have been made by a different manufacturer, maybe I should switch them and see how stable the other is.

[@crazed357]

Cpu at 1408mhz Gpu at 456 Core at 488 Ram at 500 Over volt and cool appropriately and I have no stability issues.

[@marco_evertus]

Very informative and no nonsense video! just the way it should be.

[@IR240474]

This dude is the man for tech. He's brilliant!

[@ErtugrulOzdemir-mf1gl]

not no nonsense its sense

[@SuperHaunts]

Thank you for an obviously time-consuming detailed comparison between the two devices.

[@WilliamShinal]

Thanks for going through the trouble of comparing these boards. I'm convinced about getting myself an UDOO X86 board for Oolite, which is a modern remake of the original Elite. It's fairly lightweight, and can also download expansion packs made by the respective community. Also, I'm getting ready for a project in which I first thought I would need a full blast Windows XP motherboard for, but thankfully, you changed my friggin mind. You can check my Google Plus for updates regarding said project.

[@perrymcclusky4695]

I agree. Both boards are impressive. Thank you for the comparison. I look forward to your next video.

[@martyburgess341]

I do love and miss those side by side comparisons. 😃

[@MicrobyteAlan]

I like the way you explain things.

[@Misack8]

Remember that it's scripted for most parts.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Nothing in this video was scripted.

[@Misack8]

Good to know. In that case, you teach really well, m8.

[@heesanbahri3860]

ExplainingComputers omg! No script ?? That's so nice XD

[@ExplainingComputers]

I sometimes do several takes to get it right. It think this was recorded on the second take. I of course run through what I am going to say in my head many times before I record! :)

[@KowboyUSA]

Having my bowl of oatmeal with an Explaining Computers video is becoming a Sunday morning tradition.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I am pleased to hear this. :)

[@gandalfranks]

Really like the way you deliver you're videos. Informative and interesting...

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks. :)

[@alfblack2]

Excellent! Got the important points I wanted to know and a bit more good stuff that I didn't know but needed. :)

[@JorgenHenningsen]

Why is power consumption allways forgotten when comparing SBC's? The RPi 3B uses 1.5W when running 1080p video. How much does the LattePanda or UDOO bord consume?

[@ExplainingComputers]

This is a very good point. I must to a video comparing the power consumption of different SBCs. :)

[@Radagast1953]

ExplainingComputers ... YES, PLEASE!!! In my off-grid situation, this is a primary concern (my main PC right now is an Azulle Byte Plus - very similar to the Latte Panda, w/4gb RAM & 32gb flash, plus a bit fancier packaging ).

[@llothar68]

Exactly. My only reason to use it but i better go with a 10W Intel Core i3 as idleing NAS server. Get it 2nd hand for 100 Euro. Hard to make energy money back on the UDOO prices.

[@pinkipromise]

less than 2w

[@psychicist]

Annie Darkhorse I think a lot of that has to do with lacking or badly performing drivers. People in the community are working on those so I expect the situation to improve over time.

[@imrannasim4100]

it will be great to learn from u about something this futuristic

[@lapinus]

Chris, you videos are fantastic! Keep it up! That english accent is very nice to hear. It's sounds like an intelligent person.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for this kind feedback. :)

[@XSpImmaLion]

Awesome stuff Chris, thanks for sharing! These single board computers gets more compeling by the day... it's too bad some CPUs got their development discontinued *cough* Atom *cough*. I got my mom a Kangaroo PC with Atom Cherry Trail, it's close to perfect for everything she does... but I'd still like to see juuust a bit more improvement. Not much, just enough to run more Chrome tabs, perhaps run some indie games at comfortable fps.

[@aspendell209]

A major part of the market for these types of computers is in remote locations or off-grid applications. May I request that you include power consumption as one of your your testing criteria in future evaluations? This would be simple to achieve by connecting a simple watt-meter to your power inputs. Then we could compare milli-watts to fully boot into windows, per test suite, etc... and evaluate trade-offs in completion speed to extra watts consumed. Many potential applications may not opt to get 20% faster speeds if it means doubling your power consumption. Great site!

[@jonathanwarner1844]

Any SBC with a proper coaxial power socket instead of the poxy and inflexible micro USB socket, gets my vote.

[@McRocket]

Another very interesting and informative video review. Thank you.

[@TheHummChannel]

Love the way you explane great videos thanks

[@Tarbard]

That UDOO that you do so well.

[@TheNZJester]

These are both basically web browsers, kiosk, or smart home control system computers. Having the SATA port the UDOO also makes a good base for a combined smart media/NAS device.

[@kwacker45]

The auto play took me to MrTech!!!! Comparison not favourable!!! Your uploads so much better in EVERY way

[@securityguy1984]

good review I almost bought the latte panda but they way they req. a purchase was incredibly frustraing and ill admit terrifing due to the wanting a transfer to a foreign bank , then i found Udoo X 86 straight forward debit card and a office in USA ( made in Italy ) so there are also those factors to consider , again ty for the review

[@neatodd]

The opening music always means it must be Sunday afternoon

[@briianhebert]

Thanks for another great video!

[@sbrazenor2]

I pressed the like button, but I didn't 'smash it' like some other channels recommend. I wanted to ensure that it was working sufficiently for the next viewer to use it. LOL :)

[@ExplainingComputers]

Excellent! :) I'm glad that it is left in working order.

[@migsvensurfing6310]

SeanFromPVD Thanks. I used it 👌

[@janwroblewski8183]

You look like you never left 90's but you talk really good.

[@duke96]

EC= by far one of the best in explaining computers on KZbin...nice, nice tutorials....please keep it up...BTW...would it be possible to video a more recent update using NextCloud ver 12 or later with Raspian ...showing how to turn your RP3b into a NextCloud server so I can reach my 6Tb external WD drive from anywhere in the world with internet access...little tweaks and programming have changed a bit after OwnCloud branched off to NextCloud...or so it seems. Thank you !!!!

[@Anonyminder]

Well made comparison, thx!

[@janvarho6139]

Worth pointing out that even though one is branded Celeron and one Atom they use the same Airmont "Atom" core. Only frequencies and power envelopes differ.

[@basilsunnyalukka4491]

Explaining the future seems to be inactive now.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Yes, I have not posted there for ages. Too many pressures on my time. But ExplaingTheFuture will return! :) Specifically, I am planning a series of six films to upload weekly from sometime in October.

[@M4rt1ntian]

A very nice comparison! It's a shame the 3D benchmark didn't run in the full test. A possible error you've made during testing is that you used different Windows 10 builds! I don't know how much difference it makes to the performance, if at all, but it ruins the whole effort to make it as fair and head-to-head as possible with all the effort to sync the footage and all...

[@mike_vahemoubayed8099]

Keep up the best work

[@jasontsa]

FYI: I contacted the makers of the UDOO boards, regarding the support of SATA Port Multiplier and they replied it's not supported. It's not possible to use it as a file server using such a device.

[@igrewold]

great video man, thanks.

[@andyhello23]

Personally i would choose the latte panda, over the usb thing. I always find usb3, can be a pain alot of time, like you point out. Having at least some usb2 ports, for me, is something i prefer, over all usb3 ports.

[@doougle]

In your testing was one board more stable? Would you trust one over the other in a 24/7 application?

[@ExplainingComputers]

I've no reason to far to favour one over the other on these grounds. I've used the LattePanda far more, simply because I have had it much longer. But both have been stable over long run times. Both do have CPUs that get hot -- the UDOO very hot -- so it needs a fan. But so far, no stability problems.

[@josephpsathas9607]

A small notice in the title of your video you have forgot to put an s in the word vs. Anyway I love your videos and the way you explain stuff. Keep the good work!

[@Misack8]

You should have added the Atom and Celeron numbers on this table, makes it easy to look for it's specs while watching.

[@vaibhavp224]

Hope that you will post a video of comparing lattepanda alpha and udoo x86

[@Lurker1979]

I love how far single bored computers like these have come for the consumer market.

[@ProDigit80]

If you cool both CPUs well (with a larger heatsink), It'll be possible to have them running constantly at their rated turbo speed ( of 1.8Ghz, vs 1.44Ghz for the atom, and 2.24Ghz vs 1.66Ghz for the Celeron). So, if you see the CPU throttle down from their turbo speeds, paste on it a slightly larger heat sink.

[@geoffreyjohnstone5465]

Cracking video, subscribed. Been watching your channel a while and just makes sense to sub

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for the sub. :)

[@nchaconn79]

excellent video, right to the point!! thank you.

[@dorion9111]

You may need Vcredist packages and update Directx to stop performance test failure

[@mjhmusicvideos2584]

how did you install windows on the udoo

[@ExplainingComputers]

I used the Microsoft online tool to downloadWindows 10, which creates a bootable USB drive (or it may have been a bootable micro SD card), which I then inserted into the UDOO. It was certainly a very easy process. You can find the tool here: www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 It is free to use, and free to install Windows 10 on a computer to "evaluate" it without a license key. Or course, you may then purchase a license key if you wish . . .

[@smurf___]

If there's a written article can you link them in the description?

[@izhamsaad]

awesome vid :) Thanks !

[@FireDragonAndromeda]

Would like to get myself an UDOO eventually... could be useful for running a game server I wish to run.

[@paulreader1777]

Thank you for all these reviews Christopher. Are you aware of any single board computers with a parallel port?

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

You can get a USB-to-Parallel cable. E.g. www.amazon.com/Sabrent-SBT-UPPC-Centronics-Printer-Cable/dp/B0007UVRVO

[@paulreader1777]

Thanks Tom! I appreciate your input. I am aware of the USB to Parallel option although Centronics is not the correct configuration for CNC applications. I am thinking of possible co-location of SBC and CNC driver electronics to reduce computing footprint. I have found about three in the industrial arena but with price tags to match.

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

One problem I've seen with USB to serial cables in embedded applications is that the timing of serial port signals is different when you have a USB to serial bridge chip in the system. Embedded applications being what they are, they may well be sensitive to this. If that's the case you might be better off with a PCI-Express parallel port card. Or you could fix the timing dependencies in the embedded system.

[@paulreader1777]

Yes in CNC application serial is of no use as the timings are inadequate for simultaneous multi-axis movement.

[@johncnorris]

Those are both very cool devices. If you had either one it would keep you busy for a long time. Is there much of a difference in power consumption? Off grid controller applications would be wild with these types of systems.

[@magisterxmilitum]

If they're gonna market premium boards they might as well start using UFS memory chips instead of the older and slower eMMC.

[@M4rt1ntian]

As for your comment about the mouse not initializing on the UDOO: I have the very same issue you described on my desktop with the mouse plugged into a USB 2.0 port. This is not an OS issue either since it has been happening both on my (past) W10 Pro install and my (current) Gentoo Linux install. I genuinely wonder what it could be. The USB controller itself seems to be fine because my keyboard works properly and it's plugged into the neighboring USB 2 socket (yes, I have tried swapping them with no luck). That leads me to think it could be an issue with the mice themselves but I have no way to verify.

[@brunoscorreia]

the lacks of a heatsink on lattepanda doesn't influence on the benchmarks? At least i had a lot of problems, even throttling down the processor's clock until i upgraded the board's heatsink.

[@HUNVilly]

I've been using my Udoo headless non-stop since it came out, best purchase of my life. Now I'm thinking about buying an ultra version, cause it would be nice to have the extra 4gb of ram. I just can't seem to find any articles about what is the difference between the Udoo x86 and the Udoo x86 II that is available these days.

[@redgeciccone8218]

Something missing is the power consumption, because I want to use it with battery pack, the graphic is not that important but the cpu, for my use.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I am planning a video doing a mass benchmark of different SBC power consumption. Stay tuned! :)

[@CSTRSK]

The CPU from the UDOO board boosts up to 2.08 GHz.

[@myozone]

Could you explain the not 4K on the UDOO ?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Indeed! The highest resolution video output of the UDOO (and many devices) is four times HD, ie 3840x2160 pixels, also known as 2160p (ie double 1080p) or sometimes "UHD" (though this label is rather vague). Many people (and TV manufacturers) refer to this resolution as "4K" as it has close to four thousand pixels horizontal resolution. However, 4K has been around in digital cinema for quite some time, with actual 4K footage having a horizontal resolution of 4096 pixels, with various vertical resolutions possible. For example, Sony 4K cinema cameras record 4096x2160 pixels, and this is the resolution you will see projected in most 4K cinemas these days. So, strictly (well, actually) the UDOO does not output 4K, it outputs 3840x2160. But as mathematically-challenged TV manufactuers now call this 4K, it is not unreasonable to say the UDOO is a 4K device . . .

[@myozone]

Thanks !, I do remember now that LCD screens are cut down from larger sheets and 3840x2160 and 1920x1080 etc obviously cut down well into smaller and smaller screen sizes from a large sheet. 4096 doesn't fit that mould well. Really I guess it's 93.25% of '4K' but that doesn't advertise so well ...

[@ExplainingComputers]

I like the "93.25% 4K"! :)

[@EarlGray_kd7sjt]

As always, another top notch video my friend. What sbc would you recommend that would allow me to make full use of my 200 Mbps cable internet connection by using WiFi to connect to the modem and the Ethernet to connect to my pc?

[@bouytb]

true educational videos mr chris , my question is how to start up this boards ?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Connect power! The LattePanda has to have an OS flashed to its flash storage first (if you have not purchased one with a Windows image installed). The UDOO will boot from a USB drive with an OS on it, and you can take it from there. See my videos on the individual boards for more.

[@idiyerbill1968]

the great thing with that super small pc is that u can run them inside a fridge 3 c° ( wireless keyboard and HDMI )

[@ExplainingComputers]

Now this I must try! :) What a great idea!

[@ricky_pigeon]

condensation would be a problem :P

[@drwarner]

Not if you keep it in there. It would when removing it though.

[@sofia.eris.bauhaus]

you could submerge it in mineral oil and chuck it into a little freezer. then overclock it to 4 GHz. :P

[@RetroBerner]

Did you try updating the DirectX runtimes for the 3d test?

[@ExplainingComputers]

I did indeed! :)

[@RetroBerner]

I thought you would, just making sure. Cheers!

[@bbreeuwer4577]

If you just run these things as mini computers/desktop, I think a barebone would be a better buy (like an Intel NUC or so) They are cheaper, and you already have a nice case and all.

[@emmanueloluga9770]

what is a barebone. Please can you elaborate, I am new to sbds. Thank you

[@ricky_pigeon]

It looks like the LattePanda windows is using less space because its using an older OS version. i'm not sure if that affects benchmarks. just something i noticed with the copywrite year at 6:17.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Indeed. The LattePanda is still receiving updates -- the last major one in March. But Microsoft will not serve a Creators Edition update to an Atom device, so the data remains stuck as it is.

[@spuddyl9938]

Why can't i find this Latte panda anywhere in Belgium or the Netherlands?

[@thebeststooge]

I read (I just migrated up to 3.x USB) that USB 2 and USB 3 do not share anything as the internal connectors are different so 2.x/1.1 does not downgrade a 3.x speed so the mouse issue is not due to that.

[@ExplainingComputers]

This has nothing to do with the connectors themselves -- a USB 3.0/3.1 connector has both sets of contacts, and it will be the 2.0 contacts used to connect a 2.0 peripheral like a mouse. The issue will not be the physical hardware, but the drivers -- and problems with mice connected via USB 3.0 due to driver issues it a widely known OS issue I'm afraid . . .

[@vaibhavp224]

Sir you should have compared lattepanda alpha and udoo x86

[@ExplainingComputers]

The LattePanda Alpha did not exist when I made this video. :) This Sunday I'm looking at the Atomic Pi x86 SBC . . .

[@markvd1008]

8:47 What's with the "Right" things I hear from some of your videos?

[@dj_paultuk7052]

With its smaller form factor im gearing more towards the LattePanda for the project i have in mind. But does it require any additional cooling ?. Did it get hot during the rendering tests ?. If you need to add heatsinks this would effect the size of any case you intend to put it inside.

[@ExplainingComputers]

The LattePanda's CPU (covering) does get fairly warm (though nowhere near as hot as the heatink on the UDOO x86). I've run the LattePanda for long periods though without any problems.

[@drwhowhogrub3908]

Can you review the espresso bin?

[@thomasr.miller5553]

Can you nest the UDOO into a network stack to get more power ? great video Thanks

[@666Makkura666]

I'm looking for an answer on these 2 boards. Looking at the LattePanda, seems to use a seperate chip for the arduino connectors. This makes processing power for the pins, dramatically slower since it's an Leonardo chip. Does the UDOO use it's own processing power for these pins or is there also like the LattePanda, a chip in between? I would be more tempted to use the LattePanda if the main processor which is also used for the OS, was also used to operate the pins.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I believe that both boards use separate controller chips to allow the bet Arduino compatibility. The Intel chips that run these SBCs do not have native GPIO.

[@666Makkura666]

@@ExplainingComputers SBC shopping is so hard. Rapid increase of new models and updates of models doesn't make it easier! Mainly interested because these tiny computers can get so powerful relative to their form factor and also can be used as a master controller for slave arduino's at the same time. If I figure out my pick, my car definitely will turn out in a geek creation I always wanted it to be. Back to researching it is! By the way. I really love your videos and your activity in the comment section of all your videos. Also the straight to the point style is really why I keep going back to your videos for a quick reference. Thanks!

[@ExplainingComputers]

You are right -- deciding on a board is very hard. I will be reviewing an UDOO BOLT here later this month (I've been told one is about to ship to me!), and then an ODROID H2 not long after that. The former may be more powerful than the new LattePanda Alpha . . .

[@CarlosSpicyWeener]

Any suggestions for cases and/or adding a cooling fan for the panda?

[@KuntalGhosh]

Isn't cleleron n3160 laptop mobile cpu??

[@mike_vahemoubayed8099]

What other free photoshop software do you recommend "not gimp"

[@ExplainingComputers]

For digital paint, Krita is excellent -- see my video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nImWlGWthr6LbKs More broadly see: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ionVZ3x4gJd4oqM

[@ricobelgin5986]

I have a question regarding for the UDOO board. It has 2 M.2 slots; one for Wi-Fi and the other for M.2 HD. What is the rating for the M.2 HD? Is it SATA III or NVME?

[@passerby184]

Does Latte Panda throtted by heat? It doesn't have a heatsink.

[@mustafasharif4366]

Hi is it both are microprocessor and microcontroller devices?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Yes, both are full computers with microcontroller (GPIO) functionality built in. The LattePanda is a pretty standard x86 PC with an Arduino compatible microcontroller.

[@CarlosSpicyWeener]

What about separate audio output on the panda, such as a 3/4 inch audio jack, especially needed when my HDMI monitor has no audio output of its own?

[@ExplainingComputers]

The LattePanda has good audio out via ira 3.5mm socket.

[@ashleylycan9335]

The latte Panda is working a little bit slowly because its Atom processor is Thermal Throttling , because a thin metal shield isn't enough cooling for a x64 CPU

[@ashleylycan9335]

Here is a video showing this problem : kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnXPg4Fuqt5pfLs

[@Mrcrowntown]

Any update on the UDOO? been using it?

[@ExplainingComputers]

It is a very nice, stable board. I last ran it in on video NAS tests compared to other SBCS -- kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKSmmIuHn8apn68 -- and often run it for various Linux Mint testing. It just works really well! :)

[@ellooku]

Can you do a video comparing udoo x86 ultra vs up board squard?

[@prytamkev954]

Please try to connect a gpd external graphic card through m.2 connection and show the performance on games

[@josephpsathas9607]

Espresso Bin review?

[@seanmcpherson5595]

UDOO x86 is better than my Commodore 64. Is time to get a new computer.

[@neok1996]

What about the temperature of the core and throttling of the cpu ? The late panda got no heatsink

[@avejst]

Thanks for sharing :-)

[@definitelythatguyred]

I bet they are gonna put a celeron in one of these

[@danielkraus5662]

Can the Latte Panda have an external gpu installed?

[@ExplainingComputers]

There is no provision for such an addition, though it would be possible to use a USB 3.0 display adapter.

[@danielkraus5662]

Thank you, i was just wondering because of rumors on the internet of connecting a gpu through the M.2 slot of Udoo.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I do wonder about those rumours -- as the UDOO M.2 slots are latched for WiFi and SSD only.

[@danielkraus5662]

Thank you for your help

[@jasontsa]

There are M.2 to PCI-e adapters (usually to be used for coin-mining) but I haven't tested one myself.

[@williamterry3177]

Very informative A'++++

[@steelfalcon2755]

UDOO or the lattepanda Delta?

[@ExplainingComputers]

For me, LattePanda Delta, unless you need the extra displays. But both are great boards.

[@steelfalcon2755]

@@ExplainingComputers thank you buddy!

[@kwacker45]

Excellent review, sadly still not made up my mind so need to focus on what I want to run etc.. This really helped though 😀😀

[@francis400]

Why do they put on on a mix of USB 2 & 3?

[@misaalanshori]

Where is the minesweeper performance test?

[@iritantNL]

Why you not mention that the udoo has a arduino 101 on board so its far more versatile

[@ExplainingComputers]

Both machines have Arduinio capabilities. I forgot to mention this when talking about them, but did include a text caption to this effect! :)

[@potar23ify]

on udoo: usb 3.0 mouse recognition problems with wireless or cable mouse or both?

[@ExplainingComputers]

I have problems (having to unplug and replug) with a cable-based mouse.

[@mobrad5603]

How can I add 2 usb smart card modules?

[@JonnyInfinite]

I thought Atom processors are no longer supported by Intel, and cannot be updated to latest Windows 10 build 1704..

[@ExplainingComputers]

Ah, now that is a really interesting point linked to our discussion below -- the LattePanda is probably as upgraded as it can be (it certainly pulled down a mass of upgraded over many hours in March), but never migrated to Creators Edition. Thanks greatly for this insight. :)

[@JonnyInfinite]

ExplainingComputers I have the same issue with my cheap Windows tablets that run on Atoms. Apparently Microsoft is supporting this build up until 2023, which is the same as Windows 8.1.

[@chrismerchant3209]

Will these play like 42" or bigger Monitor/TV?

[@DavidSmith-dm8ew]

Is it possible to run windows 7 on them?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Technically, yes -- and probably fairly easy to do on the UDOO, though you would need appropriate drivers. Hard to achieve on the LattePanda as it does not have a standard boot loader, so you would need an appropriate SD card image.

[@DavidSmith-dm8ew]

Thank you for the info