We Built The Most Power All Intel Gaming SBC! The LattePanda SIGMA ARC A750 Hands On

[@doubleacoarnaud9280]

Looks like a bomb, perfect

[@BurAndBY]

Excuse me, How. Do. You. Know?

[@meowritz]

Google how to build a bomb

[@raf9826]

Cool clock, Ahmed!

[@zgillet]

@@meowritz That totally won't put you on any list.

[@Sonic6293]

Honestly, I kind of like the aesthetic.

[@satrioadi7044]

I have a couple ideas to improve that concept, such as using a smaller PSU like a 250W GaN all-in-one power supply and wire it to run everything on a single power cable, but still looks great overall

[@saismaranvijayagiri]

You can't. The ARC A750 alone pulls around 225 Watts

[@Slay3rOne]

Still possible to daisy chain two of the 250W GaN and get up to 500W. Side by side that would still be a really slim package!

[@SyndicatesFollower]

I would say this, but with a 330w GaN unit to put a high performance GPU in and make it a nice 4k TV rig, assuming you can get pcie 4.0 working.

[@deeneon223]

I was thinking the same. This would probably be the best itx possible if you were to use a more power efficient gpu instead like an RX 7600 + undervolt. Getting everything on one connector would take a bit of work since the motherboard is 19v and the powersupply delivers 12v. Not From Concentrate has a video with similar process but I'm not exactly sure the whole process. It looks like he changed the connector on the 250W GaN to a 6 pin (male), then soldered a 6 pin connector (female) onto the motherboard where the 19v ac is supposed to be plugged. A bit of learning but would be a fun project

[@112Famine]

Water cool it, I plan on using a 2080 ti with this I got off ebay that came EK water blocked, still need fans to cool the GPU involving what the waterblock doesnt't cool, so I need a small case that everything (pump, GPU, PSU, etc) & cut two holes for 120mm or 140mm fans at both ends, & use two quick-disconnect fittings to add onto a already built radiator box that has a pump, res, & has fans with dual 360 radiators ... or I could redesign the box to have it able to house a GPU, w/ ETA Prime's set up, & have it set it up so the box has the needed i/o for water plugs & a OCUlink plug on the outside of the case. Damn I always wanted to build a toolbox(s) build, where different boxes had different parts, so I could move them with easy, could just put down a few toolboxes & plug them together & make a PC with the low end, or high end abilities ...do not always need to pull the power of a electric stove running at full power draw to watch a video, to play a console or coin slot emulated game

[@rkadi6540]

GPU : look at me, i'm the motherboard now

[@its1one]

Lol

[@Aaron-ui9tj]

Fatherboard

[@CristianGuzman27]

Has anyone noticed how Cool is the background wallpaper he is using on the screen?

[@boomerps2]

Pushing $1000. Wouldn't it just be a better option to build a PC with micro ITX board?

[@Moddedby]

It probably is, but its way smaller with the lattepanda.+ the lattepanda only needs around 40 Watts I bought one to game and program on it!

[@100500daniel]

You could build a faster mATX/ATX PC for a 1000$

[@DaBrown101]

​@@Moddedby and with this it's easy to throw it in your backpack and game at a hotel or friend's house or anywhere you can find a monitor unless you take a portable monitor too!

[@everyoneisacopycat]

I did recently did this with an A770 and a R43SG adapter. and the same board. Also bought some 2020 extrusion and put it all on a frame, after this video Im alot happier for having gone through the hassle. Thanks for the video!

[@Hoootaf]

This could be a nice setup to build directly into your desk

[@sir.fender6034]

I've been using OCuLink cables for SQL servers for years and I never knew they could be used for eGPU's and M.2 interface. Incredible video!

[@ristopoho824]

ARC is looking better day by day. Still not on my list for consideration but getting there. Plus, i'm a little bit of an Intel fanboy. Not much but a little. Will remain to be seen if the ARC line gets good when the system matures. Been getting more and more out of existing internal graphics too with the driver optimizations, intel has gotten more experience on those and that may matter far more than their actual graphics cards. Still. Good budget cards with a sprinkle of jank if you can deal with that, and market appreciates a little more competition. I really want them to succeed.

[@charlesburris6314]

Impressive performance from an SBC. I'd go AMD GPU for less power draw. Also, too bad that proc is locked, for now. Have a great day!

[@ionamygdalon2263]

Would love to see the 1340p and the Arc on a desktop build running emulation. This combo could run steam deck I guess

[@5P3C73R]

Wow! I can now build my [INSERT YOUR FAVOURITE GAME CONSOLE SYSTEM HERE] sleeper pc build!!!!

[@Jimmys_TheBestCop]

The m2 adapter in that kit is only for pcie 3.x that is why it didn't work on 4.x

[@kenjaws7066]

currently there's no m.2 2230/42 slot that supports pcie4.0 so I recommend only to pair this with weaker card to reduce performance losses. i do not know which would be a better value, Oculink adapter that uses m.2 2280 or R43SG4.0 from ADT-link as both provide same performance albeit using different cables

[@Viking8888]

To do a system like this, it's going to be around $1000 before the government steals their cut. $580 alone for the Sigma, $230 for the A750 on Newegg, around $100 for a decent SFX PSU (EVGA on Newegg) and then $49 for the OcuLink m.2 to pci-e setup. It's small, it's super cool, but once that SBC becomes less capable for gaming, you can't just drop in a replacement CPU and add more RAM. I'd certainly accept this is someone gave it to me, but over a grand could be a hard pill to swallow for some.

[@ovrskr]

a gaming laptop is over $4000

[@Viking8888]

@@ovrskr Sure there are some that can be over 4 grand, but there are plenty that are under $1500 with RTX 4070 mobile GPUs. The laptop I bought last year was $1000 with a 12th Gen i7 and an RTX 3070.

[@ovrskr]

@@Viking8888 the 4070 and 4060 are the same thing. (128 bit bus wtf) you need at least 4080 to run Cyberpunk well and that will be a lot more $$ i got an 3060 and it sucks, i get about 20 fps

[@Viking8888]

@@ovrskr I guess when it comes down to it, this whole generation sucks overall.

[@killersberg1]

Pcie 4.0 will only work over a short cable of up to 25cm. I read that somewhere. Maybe try a shorter oculink cable.

[@cursetheroad]

According to official pinouts diagram, the slot you're using for the adapter only supports pcie 3.0

[@gustavogallegos1962]

He mentioned that he tried the 4.0 slot but couldn't get it to work. I wonder how come the 3.0 slot is performing better than thunderbolt 4.

[@johnnybravo69420]

Is the PCIE 4.0 not working problem only related to Intel GPUs? Do other GPUs (AMD or Nvidia) work connected to the PCIE 4.0 port through Oculink?

[@samganji6987]

Love the videos. One thing I wanted to mention is, I see you test horizen zero dawn alot. My only thing about that game is that it is way easier to run in the begining which is what you show the most. During mid game in the more open world parts of the game frames drop. I played the game on steam deck and pc (5600x/3070) and in both cases. with my settings on the early stages I would easily get 120 on pc and 40 on deck (I really like 40hz on deck for battery life). Anyways, with my settings in open area fights pc would drop to 96ish and the deck to 22ish. I really didn't mind the drop on pc. the drop there although noticable, was not impactful. But the drop to 20s on deck was painful. So I had to tweak some shadow and depth of field settings on the deck to keep that 40 stable. This is without saying Horizen on deck also suffers from stutters in the open areas. Loading new areas always has a stutter which is meh. So I think Horizen is a good game to test actually but definitely in the more open areas with some enemies.

[@tobiahhowell]

Have you tried the Thunderbolt single cable connection yet? Where you only use the Thunderbolt port to connect to a monitor and it will both power the Lattee Pands and sent the display data? I've been looking for a nice monitor that can do that.

[@ambhaiji]

i would be very interested to see the performance of such a setup with an Alder Lake N based SBC.

[@kalark]

always love this kind of content! I'd love to see something kinda like that minisforum b550 elite dock but for an sbc like the latte panda, something that would let you power the sbc from the standard psu so you wouldn't need adapters/power bricks would be tight

[@exodous02]

This is neat that this is possible but these external GPUs on SBCs isn't very practical. I can't think of a time I'll be using my SBC and want to hook a GPU up to it. This makes sense with a notebook but I don't really carry around my SBC around and want more graphics power when I'm at home.

[@JazzTechie]

Nice - I’ve been wanting to see this. I know it’s fast PCIe, but was unsure if it had the lanes for full GPU utilization

[@o_o6869]

prefectly what i was looking for exactly what i imagined

[@mimo5383]

Now if only they could marry the two together in one SBC? I would dub it the Plus Ultra.

[@its1one]

Not the plus plus ultra. Lol

[@jonathanellis6097]

We seem to have moved towards installing your motherboard into your graphics card. Doing it the other way around is old fashioned now! 😁

[@MrTheinfoman]

OCIlink to OCIlink should be open to every laptop or small board computers

[@vinyfiny]

I got one of those oculink kits from Amazon for only $28. I'm using it right now with a 3080 and an i3 Nuc 11 (because that's what I had lying around). It works great until I try to play games😆; the CPU is a crazy bottleneck and I can't even launch most stuff. I'm hoping to get a min PC with a 7840HS whenever those release.

[@arihantbhattacharjee]

There’s the UM790 Pro with a 7940HS if you’re interested

[@HuntaKiller91]

Shud be good and compact with upcoming rx7600/4060ti

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

Intel Arc GPU takes a lot Watts and Vram to maintain FPS, best to use AMD GPU

[@greatwavefan397]

Or an SFX RTX card

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

@@greatwavefan397 yeah Eggxactly, cause Intel Arc GPU are new in town, waiting for newer models of Intel Arc GPU for better and less watts and Vram for more both efficiently and performance wise

[@vinyfiny]

One of the upcoming single fan 4060 Ti cards would be great for this. 160W max with 3070 performance, could run off a pico PSU.

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

@@vinyfiny oh noice, can't wait for that, I love founder edition or Low profile cards😻

[@duck6966]

@@vinyfiny at the price of a RX 6800...

[@shaddowwave88]

What is that desktop background? It looks dynamic and awesome.

[@azure1470]

You can find it as "Queen Ahri Sound Reactive Ultrawide".

[@Parallel_]

Would love to see how small and compact this could be with an a2000

[@its1one]

What kinda performance are you getting out of a A2000? I'm looking at them rn

[@satrioadi7044]

@@its1one stock performance is almost equal to a desktop RTX 3050 and maxes out at 80W

[@Moddedby]

I´m currently building a small setup with the sigma and an a2000

[@ovrskr]

Considering this, because a gaming laptop with a GPU that runs Cyberpunk doesn't start below $4000

[@joed3010]

Just checked, that LattePanda Sigma costs almost $600... this whole setup would cost about $1000 if bought new. Cool concept but definitely not worth it cost-wise.

[@JazzTechie]

Noticed a seller already trying to scalp them on Amazon. Not today satan lol

[@aiiaznsk8er]

daaaang, this is a straight up hot rod. well done.

[@AndersHass]

Possible Intel’s GPU does better on Linux given it uses translationlayers to Vulkan where the big issue with Intel’s GPUs are with old graphics APIs (like DirectX 11 and older)

[@francisportugal5584]

AMD does better in terms of Linux performance, but intel is a close second. Especially for vulkan applications and it's price to performance since intel GPU has a lot of price cuts.

[@sjones72751]

Arc on Linux is pretty trash at the moment tbh.

[@francisportugal5584]

@@sjones72751 just use the latest kernel and distributions (like arch and fedora) and use latest Mesa packages.

[@sjones72751]

@@francisportugal5584 even then it’s still missing vulkan extensions, can’t run some games, and sometimes underperforms. For arc on Linux it’s best to wait. Drivers haven’t really matured on Linux like they have on Windows.

[@phoenixrising4995]

It will be a good Linux card once 2024 rolls around. At that point if your buying for Linux Battlemage will be better with proper day 1 support.

[@yonray]

@ETA Prime This is an interesting setup, apart from the cost, I love small computers. I am just curious if this latte panda was paired with a workstation GPU such as the RTX A4000. How well would it perform while using designing software such as solidworks.

[@chromerims]

Inventive 👍 Thank you for showing more about OcuLink. Kindest regards, neighbours.

[@justinpatterson5291]

Try pairing it with the A500 pocket GPU.

[@gardeffroi9099]

I wonder if the lattepanda sigma could be used with ONEXGPU - World's 1st Portable eGPU with Storage to make it a mini gaming pc?

[@gtijason7853]

@ETA PRIME You are stuck running 4x pcie 3.0 because the pcie dock w/ 24 pin Oculink 4x 8 Gbps ( 13.4mm wide ) , the m.2 nvme host card and the Oculink cable 4x/4i/40/42 pin ( 13.4mm wide ) you bought are SFF 8611/8612 40/42 pin ( 13.4mm wide ) cables and connections that run at max data transfer rate of 8 Gbps. You need the 80 pin ( 23.0mm wide ) versions of everything to double the speed and work with 4x pcie 4.0 and possibly 8 lanes at 3.0 (not sure) Here's the names at Amazon but you might need to run 2 of the red m.2 pcie nvme host cards with 40/42 pin Oculink as I can't find any for the bigger 80 pin ( 23.0mm wide ) Diliving oCulink 8X (SFF-8611 80pos) to 2X oCulink 4X (SFF-8611 42pos) Straight Cable(80cm) (if you find host adapter card with 80 pin) DiliVing oCulink 8X to oCulink 8X,SFF-8611 80pin to SFF-8611 80pin Straight Cable(80cm) chenyang Oculink SFF-8612 8X to PCIE X16 PCI-Express Adapter with ATX 24Pin Power Port for Mainboard Graphics Card

[@dipndalip]

Thank you very much sir

[@buntar6563]

does resizable bar work?

[@jonathanellis6097]

That's a good question, Intel's graphics cards really need it on for full performance.

[@SlickOnTop]

This is going to explode in popularity.

[@radiumuppet]

Doesn't introducing an add-in-card such as a GPU make this a Non-SBC?

[@ir1keren]

This Oculink tech should be the new standard 👍

[@JTM75]

So if companies decide to design better GPU connectors people will no longer need to build a big mid tower and instead buy a mini PC and connect the external GPU when needed for gaming.

[@rkadi6540]

But if you really need big cpu performance, better build a pc than using mobile cpu

[@JTM75]

@@rkadi6540 Many miniPcs have desktop CPUs.

[@rkadi6540]

@@JTM75 mini pc? Did you mix it with itx pc?

[@JTM75]

@@rkadi6540 Look it up. Many MiniPCs have desktop CPUs not laptop ones.

[@rkadi6540]

@@JTM75Intel T series cpu?

[@valsodar6723]

04:42 ETA Prime Video can be better, if U Used more than (roughly) 40% of screen to show significant informations!

[@joshjosh2126]

I want something like this in my future

[@IceCreamePudding]

This is the kinda goofy shit I sub for!

[@ugzz]

3090TI pci 3.0 vs 4.0 had like 2-5% difference.. I think you'll be just fine on a A750!

[@bringbacktron]

That difference is on an x16 link. So while a 3.0 X16 link isn't bottlenecking too much compared to a normal 4.0 X16 link because the GPU needs to be working hard to show a difference, a 3.0 X4 link will bottleneck and show significantly worse performance than a 4.0 X4 link.

[@ugzz]

@@bringbacktron well aware, I just didn't interpret what he was saying as that. Sounded very much like what I said. Maybe your right and I misunderstood.

[@gustavogallegos1962]

Interesting, so even though you're using the PCIe 3.0 slot it performs better than thunderbolt 4? Isnt the 3.0 theoretical max about 4GB to thunderbolt 4's 5GB?

[@ronaldokonig8828]

that's the spirit of technology.

[@randomkhan1896]

can you do a vid with the rog ally vs 1xplayer mini gundam edition

[@duck6966]

ROG Ally

[@joechua8426]

I keep seeing stutters in the video while the fps doesn't dip. recording issues? Please enable frametime in MSI Afterburner, thanks!

[@Alien_Jenkins]

let's watercool some of minisforum or morefine and overclock it to limit

[@starrynight3945]

But thunderbolt 3 . or usb4 suppose to be better connector. The intel and amd does sell $50 dollar case of thunderbolt without psu ofc. That make them as god in GPU industry comparison to high price nvidia, of course when only bundled with their gpu

[@bigdeagle1331]

You should try a A2000 Nvidia card! Powered by pci

[@kevinwhiten2804]

I would love to start seeing controller reviews

[@mammonmukuro7805]

hi everyone, do you think those kind of oculink adaptator will work on the alpha m-key slot ?

[@ilpastor]

This Oculink it's very interesting!

[@dilip.rajkumar]

Could you kindly show how you would connect this eGPU via Occulink to something like the MinisForum UM 790 Pro?

[@DaBrown101]

The link for the Oculink is not the same as what you showed in the video

[@redhoodedduke9967]

Does the lattepanda have re-bar support? You may be losing performance/experiencing lots of stutters if it can't be enabled.

[@drewski1023]

you think you can use this as a work around for the ROG ally?

[@noname-vl6vy]

come to think of it, the framework 13th gen motherboard is quite better than this specially the price just compared this with the framework model (same i5-1340p), and the framework is much cheaper, around $200 cheaper than the lattepanda sigma also it is usb-c poweredd, unlike the lattepanda where they provide the barrel plug power supply

[@DigitalJedi]

The Sigma offers other features though. The form factor is more compact, and the Arduino integration is a selling point for robotics applications. The Sigma is sort of built for robotics or automation applications where having the beefy CPU and even iGPU to handle local compute loads is ideal, as that means it can run without a consistent internet connection. I would be curious to see a setup with the upcoming Framework 16-inch motherboard and dGPU enclosure in a tiny SFF case. I wonder how that would get connected together if not limited by the laptop shape.

[@serventofallah1426]

So this will work with any laptop with m2 pcie gen3? All those old thinkpads are looking good to buy now

[@juliuspeter2293]

Nice setup

[@ChubAdmiral]

Why did it show intel UHD at 50% when you were playing horizon?

[@JEKitchens]

I'm hoping to get similar performance at 1080p with a beelink u59 pro 16gb and a Nvidia 1650ti egpu via m.2

[@alejandrobello5481]

Why in some games RivaTuner is showing de iGPU and in others is showing dGPU? I didn`t get that. Cool little pc you got there, nice vid as always!

[@DigitalJedi]

Probably some weirdness with eGPU support. While everything was running on the A750, the game may not have recognized it directly and mis-reported what it was running on.

[@1tal1ansubm1ke]

How much do you think you spent on this project

[@xandrevanjaarsveld1438]

Hi all. I recently try doing the same setup as you ETA PRIME. However, I'm using an ARC 770. When I'm plugged into the EGPU, my screen keeps flicking slowly. I have updated the Intel arc drivers, but still no luck. Am I missing something. I thought it would be just plug and play. The PSU is a 650W (Way over kill) and it is wired correctly. Any help would be appreciated.

[@ramchandyalamanchili8258]

Would you be able to connect multiple gpu to this sbc, one from pcie and one from thunderbolt at the same time?

[@michael.9487]

Would the Latte Panda Sigma be compatible with that GPD G1?

[@33gametime4]

Hopefully you can build the fastest and strongest build for a budget friendly.

[@Moddedby]

Can you try the same thing with M.2 4.0? Maybe try the ADT Link or another GPU?

[@scottishgamer7210]

ARC needs more updates for DX11 games

[@lorenzomasini1715]

anyway is anyone else failing to use a thunderbolt egpu with this lattepanda sigma? i'm trying with a mantiz saturn pro v2 but no success with w10 and w11, even if the device is detected in device manager i can't find a driver from install ... quite stressful I was curious to see the performance of this sigma lattepanda with eGPU

[@kidvegas4928]

can you put the total of how much you spend on this builded pc

[@Jackson-bh1jw]

what about a pico PSU on a 6400 on a really small enclosure?

[@H3lloSE]

is this a better case scenario for the steam deck m.2 slot?

[@TheViewer8308]

he should add a famius sigma photo

[@theldun1]

Nice!😀

[@danielktdoranie]

What is the total cost of this set up please?

[@WorldLoveGaming]

Approximately 1000 USD

[@wintermute7104]

Привет. Сними как это включается. Там же два блока питания.

[@madeinnewyork87]

Is it still a "single board computer" at this point?

[@112Famine]

ETA you couldn't get the 4.0 to work, would it have worked on another CPU & GPU combo?

[@HackerL96]

The Dock is only 3.0

[@pc_freaky]

@@HackerL96 That's right, I tested the PCIe 4.0 Slot with the ADT-Link K3G PCIe 4.0 compatible adapter, the LattePanda detects every card I put in it without any problem

[@zxmintyisinsane]

what is that bottom plate under the psu thats red

[@WorldLoveGaming]

What's the bandwidth of the dock? I kinda want to make a desktop replacement with OCulink!

[@cursetheroad]

Theoretically the full x4 bandwidth as oculink just expose the pcie signals without any layering. Thunderbolt/usb4 have quite an overhead due to signals going through a controller. Though theres no beating the convenience of thunderbolt/usb4. You cant exactly plugnplay and hotplugging with oculink. Atleast, very dependent on the host device. Some oculink based egpu expose all x8 or even all x16.

[@WorldLoveGaming]

​@@cursetheroad thanks! That makes the bandwidth 64 Gbps then

[@dustinsimoneau4780]

How far can it take Citra and the PS3 and 360 emulators?

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

Raspberry Pi 4 test with M.2 adapter test

[@tek_soup]

you figure out the pcie 4.0 issue?

[@benjiebarker]

Is this oculink adapter better than the adt link adapter a year ago?

[@pc_freaky]

No, the Oculink adapter supports only PCIe 3.0, from adt link you can get an Adapter that supports PCIe 4.0. The oculink adapter is a little cheaper as far as I know

[@33gametime4]

More micro builds planning to build the smallest beast I can build

[@robbufford]

So close to create a mini itx computer...

[@rokasraustys1301]

question does lattepanda sigma suppurt rebar

[@gmanindustries2133]

Could you use the oculink on a ps5 ?

[@benjiebarker]

Is oculink as fast as m.2 port?

[@Caius1930]

What is wrong with ETA lately, showing no CPU temperatures?