Lauren Passarelli ~ Hybrid Mixing Update

Adding two Apollo x16(s) helped the delay issue to the Audient 4816 mixing console but my Mac sees only the x16 Apollos or my older Quad & 8 Apollos not all 4 Apollos in Logic. But I see all 4 Apollos in UA Console. (Not shown in video)
Apollos sync/clock and usually daisy chain easily linking themselves. They don’t show up in Audio Midi Setup as separate devices to make an aggregate device.
I just updated my mac os. We'll see what happens. I didn't think a 2018 mac could go up to Sequoia. I was gonna just do Catalina. All hell could break loose now and it might not solve anything with the Apollos. Stay tuned.
This just in UA support says they’re the wrong cables or adapters. Need to find a 20 ft or at least 16.5 ft thunderbolt 2 cable.
Dec 7. There is no such cable. So if I kept all the apollos close to one another a shorter thunderbolt 2 cable to the thunderbolt 3 adapter would have been fine. It was advised to save money on shorter db-25 cables by moving the new apollos closer to the Audient Mixer that caused the problem of seeing all 4 apollos. I have decided to update the card to thunderbolt 3 it comes on Tues. Then all the apollos will be happy on thunderbolt 3 connectors together.
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[@LaurenPassarelli]

Apollos don’t show up separately to make an aggravate device. They need to daisy chain. What I found is just because a cable has the correct connector doesn’t mean it will do the job. Data doesn’t travel further than 6 ft on thunderbolt 2 cables. So they don’t make them longer. db-25 cables closer to the mixer saved money but made it harder to connect to the older apollos. My solution? Buy a thunderbolt 3 card, update the connections on the apollo 8 and use a long thunderbolt 3 cable. Thanks everybody.

[@trakliteproductions]

😮 that sucks

[@AyeYoPat]

All the Apollos MUST be thunderbolt to talk. Theirs optical thunderbolt cables which is gnarly in price. Get some longer dsub cables and you’ll be fine. Honest UA autocascading is the BEST it gets.

[@hiddenmaterial]

@@AyeYoPat naw metric halo destroys UAD's system, and does it over cheap ethernet cables ;)

[@AyeYoPat]

@ whatever works.

[@hiddenmaterial]

@@AyeYoPat sure, just regarding it being "the best" at cascading is simply not true

[@coziay7201]

You have some really nice gear!

[@LaurenPassarelli]

It's fun to buy used and b stock and get the things you really want.

[@coziay7201]

@LaurenPassarelli I agree. I aspire to get to your level. I'm just trying to figure out a way to bring in income from the music and have the equipment pay for itself. With that being said, I am still spending my hard earned money (not from music) on gear. At this point, it feels like an expensive habit. 😁😁

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@@coziay7201 Well, that is a good point and I do know folks who have been quite chincy their whole lives and quite miserable about it all, telling themselves they can’t have what they want or that the expense has to justify itself. I have never wanted to be a commercial engineer. I always have been a performer songwriter recording Artist sharing what I love at Berklee College of Music. I never really even aspired or thought myself as a teacher. But I have loved most of the 40+ years I have been a professor there. You haven’t failed or done anything wrong. You could say we’ve been smart to not put pressure on our Art by working regular jobs to support what we love. Be your own PR person and always spin it so you feel good. The story is only a story we tell ourselves. I have known many major artists telling me I did it right all along as they come back to Berklee looking for a job! 0% credit cards, paying over time. Gear today, paid off tomorrow, as long as you can feel comfortable, there is a great reason to be happy today.

[@coziay7201]

@@LaurenPassarelli Wow...very well put! I appreciate those words and I appreciate the inspiration! How do you feel about the Audient ASP4816? Is the build quality durable? How does it sound? Is it comparable to the SSL sound?

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@@coziay7201 I don't know how it compares to the SSL sound but I wanted something that wouldn't need constant repair. Plus it doesn't have a big noisy power supply. The headroom and quiet noise floor are stunning. But Audient has the same quiet noise floor and preamps in all their mixers and interfaces. My guess is it's transparent. Not adding color. But I have a few real and fake Neve things for some of that color and a fake api thingy with the Warm Audio 421. I had gotten the Tegeler recording channels before I got the Audient. So they're cool to track through too. I just got the little baby Studiomaster SC2-C2S in case those two mic pres sounded like my big Studiomaster Trackmix 32 which I loved for many years. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXawm6KsnLOen5Isi=Yh5gZ17wMeD8cG5t

[@DGGZ-EFX]

the grunt at 3:44...

[@LaurenPassarelli]

hahahah

[@AyeYoPat]

I have 4 Apollos all talking. All thunderbolt. Everything works properly. Don’t aggregate. I do this everyday.

[@trakliteproductions]

Also ideally all the interfaces should be synced to the same Clock source (I use Word Clock with T adapters and Terminators in the appropriate places in the system)

[@LaurenPassarelli]

Yes and Apollo is so cool it does all of that internally.

[@itswhatstudio]

Build an Aggregate decvice in audio/ midi set up ( worth noting Apogee doesn't let this happen ) Good luck

[@luckyman1176]

My legacy Symphony I/O still shows up for me, you may want to switch the order of which unit will be the master clock and ensure clocking cables are short.

[@trakliteproductions]

My Apogees do

[@DGGZ-EFX]

so i assume you'd definitely go Apogee over the UA's ( sorry to cut in..im convertor shopping!!)

[@Javarrockamore]

I feel your pain. are you going ADAT?

[@LaurenPassarelli]

No, the x16(s) don’t have adat.

[@EmperorKamikaze]

I think the point is to not adat. ​@@LaurenPassarelli

[@DGGZ-EFX]

damn i stumbled onto this channel (video) , and im literally shopping for convertors and analog board ( trident,audient,API the BOX, SSL XL desk) and her issues having me asking myself what setup i should go with??

[@LaurenPassarelli]

Apollos are KING with converters and syncing. Easy, internal, intelligent. This was a stupid wild goose chase because there is no 20 foot thunderbolt 2 cable. Any mixer will be a blast. Does it have enough connections in and out to do all you want? kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4bceauBh9OdfJIsi=I0OU1dcLPf1HROk5 (the Apollo x16s make this easier too. Let the interface do all the converting. Don't have too many converters.) kzbin.info/www/bejne/in2bq3uQl5VlkJosi=dKDcWcG_qwZYoSjx Andrew needed more connections. This is where the 4816 is mighty. I'm just used to a loooong 32 channel Studiomaster Trackmix 32 console. The Inline design has been a learning curve. But the 4816 does more than my Studiomaster would have been able to do.

[@DGGZ-EFX]

@@LaurenPassarelli This is great video.. this is also opening my perspective and interest about Audient as a console for my setup...and maybe investing in a $1500 t0 $2000 tape machine. And the last gen apollos are on sale now too!..so your Mac book is handling everything..??

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@@DGGZ-EFX Yes.

[@DGGZ-EFX]

So what’s the update ….is this solved …looking at Apollo interface or the antelope galaxy

[@LaurenPassarelli]

I looked into getting a Galaxy as well. I chose 2 older x16s for the same money and so much more: internal syncing, all my UA plugins and extra I/O. I just needed a thunderbolt 2 cable but they don't make them that long. So I could have moved my 3rd apollo closer to the other 2, but I didn't want to disconnect it out of my patch bays and then need longer patch bay cables. * I bought the UA Apollo thunderbolt 3 card and that allowed me to use a loooong thunderbolt 3 cable and all works perfectly now.

[@DGGZ-EFX]

@@LaurenPassarelli yes..when you put it that way and the UA plug-ins i get it. Vintage King as the galaxy on sale now but im watching your process and thinking about a couple of apollo's. NICE WORK!!

[@niozikpro5812]

There is a solution as explained above. You just have to spend a little bit more. But is worth it!

[@DGGZ-EFX]

@@LaurenPassarelli well put..agreed..cant ignore those UAD plug ins. So what DAW are you using most of the time? Logic?

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@ Logic. It’s been crashing with the x16s though. Gotta read the console plugin crash report.

[@G_handle]

I know UAD Interfaces are a bit different than others in that they "Aggregate" internally. I think this is because they need to synchronize the I/O as well as the DSP. However, in Audio MIDI Setup on the Mac, will it allow you to create an Aggregate with all four Apollos? or if they show up, what I/O count do they give individually? or are some being joined by UA Console and not others? I don't have any recent experience fighting UAD, all of mine just play nice, but they're all the same generation. Aggregates are what I'd try though if I were you. Two other notes: A) Those Adams and their Ribbon Tweeters don't wanna be sideways. Adams higher end monitors come in H & V versions for horizontal and vertical because those ribbons are directional B) I'd advise considering getting a new Base Model Mac Mini. The latest M4 base has ridiculous amounts of processing for $600 bucks, and Laptops move, Desktops stay put especially with All of that I/O & processing. If you're concerned about your legacy plugins, most of everything runs Apple Silicon now, and everything modern is sooooo much faster on the new machines.

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@@G_handle so to tell the difference on Adams speakers H or V it’s their name on the front?

[@preciseaudioblog]

Maybe it’s the OS

[@LaurenPassarelli]

Could be. I'm on Sequoia, and Logic 11.1.1 I don't think they've smoothed out the rough spots yet. Logic keeps crashing and yesterday I couldn't get vari speed to just do the speed. It randomly glitched and created vari pitch. Bummer.

[@michael_emm]

I don't know much about Apollo, but are you able to connect them via optical? I don't know if that will cut your I/O in half depending on the sample rate ( for getting the rest of your analog gear in) Something to consider maybe. Or even just a simple I/O like you said to just be able to get to your hardware.

[@LaurenPassarelli]

The apollo 8 has optical. The x16 doesn’t. I found out that all cables aren’t created equal. They look the same but are made specifically for applications. A long cable with the right connections don’t work. I may have saved money on shorter db-35 cables being told to move the x16s closer to the mixer but i can’t find a long thunderbolt 2 cable. So now i think it’s move the apollo 8 closer and use longer balanced outs to the patch bay or pay for the thunderbolt 3 card and change the connection on the back of the apollo 8. What a silly waste of time sorting this out. 😂

[@michael_emm]

@LaurenPassarelli i went thru and am going thru something similar, but I use MOTU as my I/O to my console and outboard. I had to break everything down to a simple solution lol. Let me know if you need help! Just came across your videos

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@ thank you, Michael.

[@preciseaudioblog]

Hi Lauren. How do you like the console?

[@LaurenPassarelli]

Love the console. Getting used to the smaller size sharing EQ. I had a 5 ft long Studiomaster Trackmix 32 years ago. It's fun to play with. I just updated to some Apollo 16s and everything is flowing to the console easier. It doesn't have a noisy large power supply either.

[@preciseaudioblog]

@ Fantastic. Thank you.

[@trakliteproductions]

Peace. Have you created an "Aggregate" device in OS X Audio Midi Setup that is comprised of all the interfaces you want to combine?

[@LaurenPassarelli]

Yes and non UA thunderbolt devices show up separately. UA is one big ol’ device that should daisy chain. Great idea.

[@unknownadventures6248]

​@@LaurenPassarelli just a little note, i wouldnt put the adams on the side, since it makes the sweetspot extremely narrow and messes with the stereo image, but if you only use them as a stand for ns10s then thats cool ofc lol.

[@LaurenPassarelli]

@ ooh. I’d like to have all three sets if speakers optimally situated. Thank you for this tip. Does Adam say this particularly about their speakers?

[@unknownadventures6248]

​@@LaurenPassarelli they have new speaker with a rotatable tweeter which are designed to be placed whichever way you want.its an issue with most speakers but since adam ribbon tweeters disperse sound mainly horizontally and relatively narrow its better to have them up right. its ok with some monitors but it depends on the particular design and if they are made with that in mind.

[@unknownadventures6248]

​@@LaurenPassarelli you could try having the adams upside down on top of the ns10s if you struggle with positioning both just an idea although it probably wont look as cool.

[@EmperorKamikaze]

Lmao @ "inspiration from celebrity audio converters. Maybe it still smells like them

[@LaurenPassarelli]

hahahahha

[@preciseaudioblog]

Maybe it’s the Logic version

[@user-th6rh8zp3t]

try ableton