Lauren Southern and Conservative Women are LEAVING the Trad Wife Movement

Conservative influencers like Lauren Southern promoted their trad wife relationships as the best lifestyle for couples to commit too. Now they are leaving their marriages and declaring that the trad wife lifestyle is actually terrible for women. This has been seen throughout the ex-Mormon community.
However, in Southern's case she is still committed to being apart of the online conservative community and boosting male voices who very much do like the trad wife concept. Although she may personally now hate it she is still part of a media ecosystem that ensure this will continue to spread.
She recently was interviewed about her progression from trad wife to single mother using Govt housing - and its interesting.
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[@TheKavernacle]

Her calling a whatsapp group of Far-Right conservative women who hate their trad wife lifestyle the 'underground railroad' is just sooo insane 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@mzgreenjeansapproves]

I think it's the "western" slave thing that really makes me want to flip a table 🤬

[@SteepWriter]

That line alone is proof she hasn’t improved whatsoever.

[@leazawacki4966]

shit made my jaw drop

[@grass7864]

They should call it the "F**K Around and Find Out Express" instead.

[@Ganymede_I]

lol. lmao even. EVERY religions have this trap set up for women trust me. Je'_wish here and I love how they ALL pretend that the women has such a special place in the home, how she is seen above men even in some aspect, like a divinity, just to be told in the next verse to shut up and procreate. All religions are. the. same. If you are a woman and you are in the west, divest. If you are in an oppressive country, come over here w/t the men of your family, bc what's the point then.

[@101runaways]

They glamorize that era and ignore the glaring issues women faced back then. There is a reason why the 1950's setup ended.

[@allmodcons2274]

Mothers little helper = Valium

[@grandempressvicky6387]

Thats the thing that always gets me about conservative women believing in this ideology. If feminism was truly terrible, it would've died in the era that it came from. Clearly, enough women back then thought it was a good idea and gave up their "privileges" for it.

[@theweekndxo7438]

@@allmodcons2274Valium to either take themselves or make their husbands OD because divorce wasn't an option lmaoo

[@Moszan]

​@@theweekndxo7438Time to break out the Aqua Tofana.

[@goofusmaximus1482]

Until 1974 women couldn't have a bank account or property in her own name without a husband, father, or brother (of legal age) sign off to grant her permission.

[@gee_emm]

It never occurred to her that Feminism was a reaction to abuse, oppression and misogyny? Big brain. Big smooth brain.

[@zigzig9938]

I guess because they aren’t aware that historically most marriages were forced, domestic violence was normalized for a long time etc. It’s like if they never themselves lived in that situation so it’s harder to understand.

[@gee_emm]

@@zigzig9938 Crack a book. Watch a TV show. Ask a friend. Damn! Inform yourself woman! You'd think a broadcaster would do even a LITTLE research!

[@torib93]

The smoothest of brains one would say 😂😂😂

[@cosmicgamer613]

It's not really any surprise that people like Lauren lack critical thinking skills.😂😂

[@neferiusnexus]

Real. Less wrinkles than her botoxed face.

[@XerrolAvengerII]

it's almost like they're discovering in real time why feminism exists and is necessary

[@SeanCrosser]

The conservative trend of undoing support structures erected after decades of struggle and then speedrunning that very same struggle when they hit the same walls.

[@zigzig9938]

I would like to add that I see many men on internet claiming feminism is bad and everyone should be like in the past etc.

[@Ri57490]

​@@zigzig9938 in the west, feminism is the reason why most of those men were born. I'm assuming their mothers chose to be with their father and were not forced into a marriage of convenience to a much older man

[@TamiaLeslie-ix5qn]

@@zigzig9938so they can be able to abuse and control woman like they did Then

[@RevShifty]

But they can't and won't ever admit that. That the fairytales they base their entire existence around have only abuse and failure waiting at the end means they would also have to turn away from their sideshow politics. And that won't ever happen. Their politics always have to come first. They see themselves as the singular exceptions. What they believe in must still be correct, just and only for everyone else. Never them.

[@hwhack]

I love the hypocrisy. She's abused and gets a divorce but wants to get rid of no fault divorce. Now she's living in gov housing and probably getting monetary support as well. She's against everything she's doing. What a moron.

[@juliaboskamp9666]

Rules for thee but not for me

[@u235x00]

people like her piss me off

[@the_babbleboom]

rightists never change. they mess themselves up and cry about it, but it should never be confused with them understanding what happened. they deserve no sympathy.

[@lilithcampbell2112]

Most people, especially parents, are hypocrite.

[@mollusckscramp4124]

She forgot somehow that if it weren't for women's rights she wouldn't be able to go onto talk shows and make money at all. She should stick to following her trad wife preachings "Be seen and not heard 🙂"

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

"I never thought that Leopards would eat MY face," says woman who voted for 'Leopards eating faces' party.

[@MrsDazl]

😂stop it

[@KristinaVeshtort-Kask]

Classic!

[@helena_5456]

I voted for the leopards, and I fully expected them to eat my face. I was just brainwashed into believing I deserve it

[@alltheflavors9673]

Lol said every commie ever.

[@katasandberg8110]

Hey, now...... the Leopards Eating Faces party DOES sound kind-of cool..... 🐆🐆🐆❤️🩷💙💛🧡🤍💚💜🩶💖

[@pannajohns5255]

As an Eastern European I HATE it when people who religiously follow a trad lifestyle like this say oh Eastern European women are better because they aren’t ‘modern women’ like I’m sorry to break your teeny weeny little heart pal but Eastern European women have to work their ass off just like men to stay alive in the economy we live in, most of us cannot afford to stay at home and be pretty to cook for you. This doesn’t just apply to Eastern European women, it applies to women in America as well, a lot of women HAVE to work and also are expected to be a caretaker at home. This was the case in the past as well, women worked on the fields with their husbands, they were dirty, had calluses, defined muscles, you name it. When you look at deeply, it was always about privilege and class.

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

Not where I'm from; here, they'd travel from the mountains to plain farmlands before getting married, and worked the fields for a few years, before settling and, in most cases, staying at home. Though that would often still involve orchard work, and some of them would be shopkeepers, innkeepers or artisans. It was essentially just field work in the mountains (and other heavy professions) that was nearly 100% male, but that was a large part of the economy

[@seabreeze4559]

it's a fetish, isn't it?

[@daraandre5418]

💯

[@b0ltun0]

im a russian woman and im so glad i wasnt born in russia lmao, i wouldnt survive there, this country is ass

[@faithpearlgenied-a5517]

They know nothing about their own country, they certainly know nothing about yours :/

[@human-capital-]

There's a huge difference between a sheltered Fundamentalist religious teenage girl who suffers after marrying to "please god" and a professional content creator who hitches her wagon to a misogynist thinking she'll be immune to the harm.

[@mediocrebankai3114]

Appealing to them won’t save them from the same fate other women have faced like they think it will, just serves them up on a silver platter.

[@human-capital-]

​@@mediocrebankai3114 Yep, fawning is not a strategy that works.

[@Amanojaku8]

@@human-capital- "Maybe if I have his babies and wash his white hood real good he won't hurt me and I'll get to enjoy the spoils!".

[@nathanielbables8652]

handmaid's Tale references anyone

[@sandpiperr]

Exactly!

[@ArlecchinoAKAFather]

I don't feel bad for her. When we warned her about this, she called us radical feminists.

[@joycejoy4119]

Sprinkle sprinkle ❤

[@axxessdenied]

​@@joycejoy4119sprinkle sprinkle is just as toxic

[@alyssapinon9670]

People with a brain: “the tradwife movement is dangerous!” Lauren: “I missed the part where that’s my problem.” Lauren: “being a tradwife was so horrible for me 😢” People with a brain: “I missed the part where that’s my problem.”

[@lolasdm6959]

they aren't even tradwifes, they just like the aesthetics which is fine really, but they not admitting it and using it to grift.

[@nicholashoward971]

Conservative woman grifting I never thought in my life they would be grifting.

[@bodhisattva2348]

Yeah, it's the aesthetics that they are obsessed with, that life on ez mode shit is rare. Even the rich are struggling but they struggling more in life less in finances. Best advice I ever got was try not to crave what the fortunate have because some of them have all the money in the world & so depressed they end up killing themselves.

[@nothereyetlost]

Why would ANYONE be a tradwife? It’s slavery by an innocent name.

[@Lonovavir]

They're paid LARPers. I live near a community with real trad wives and they don't have time to post videos on social media. Too much work to do, not enough time.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Meanwhile real tradwife get treated like dirt

[@comradewarners]

As a married person I specifically make sure my wife will be able to support herself in the act of a divorce or if I die. It’s insane to not.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@banquetoftheleviathan1404 It's a knights duty to better this fallen world : )

[@TheEnigmaticmuse]

❤❤❤

[@brandontrammel4581]

​@banquetoftheleviathan1404straight facts

[@jaymerchant5396]

That’s insane

[@Wanelmask]

​@@jaymerchant5396 what is?

[@Music_Lover0612]

I'm an ex-Mormon, I hated the way my mom was treated after her divorce. We were abused and ended up homeless.

[@pierregibson6699]

That’s always the end result of Mormonism…been seeing this exact thing since the 80’s,

[@strawberrymilkshake915]

I hope you're doing well now

[@TheAbabab77]

That is horrible. I hope your life has improved since then.

[@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago]

Under state law wasn't your mother entitled to anything in the divorce? Was he able to circumvent that through illegal means? I'm just curious. That's disgusting that no one in your church community even offered you any moral support or even went through the motions of financial support through official church channels. I guess they really aren't a loving church that takes care of their own.

[@D_McGeezacks]

​@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago It's very likely she was stigmatized and shunned, even if the husband initiated the divorce

[@simonsays5193]

She’s still promoting this conservative ideology despite her bad experience because there is still money to be made off the grift.

[@brandenharder6378]

Well yeah, as a conservative woman she has kids to feed

[@mikaelste-marie1275]

Because she likes when people suffer. She hates it when it happen to her.

[@cateyu5547]

@@mikaelste-marie1275yes!! 🎯

[@huntercoleherr]

Exactly. The only abuse she cared about was her own. She doesn't give a single shit about anyone else.

[@24wallachian]

...or because one bad relationship doesn't say anything about the whole ideology.

[@CNYKnifeNut]

Conservative propaganda is wild

[@Drega001]

It's not propaganda, it's cultural fanatisism

[@MikaAKAJada]

What’s conservative propaganda the pictures? Interesting

[@radschele1815]

​@@Drega001 uhm, what do you think propaganda is...?

[@windowslogo3577]

What's conservative about nazies?

[@nothanks9503]

If I didn’t know all the darkness behind the curtain I would like it as a relatively sane yankee when I go to places like Texas I drown in women they say it’s my voice I think it’s just that I’m not a deeply creepy weird dude and every other guy they know is

[@ryanballd]

Child free women stay winning.

[@auemmjee]

🔔🔔🔔🔔🔔

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

This is why fascism is rising. This is the actual "great replacement".

[@juliaboskamp9666]

Singel childfree women

[@seabreeze4559]

@@bacicinvatteneaca ok I'll bite, I'm in England and don't really know American politics so could you explain why? Just cliff notes?

[@adventuresociety588]

​@@seabreeze4559 He's just a jackass. Please ignore him.

[@nzephier]

Trad-con women: i wanna be treated like an object. Trad-con men: (does so) Trad-con wives: (shocked pikachu face)

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

It seem that lifestyle attracts crappy dudes because they are usually the one who think that how it should be they believe in patriarchy also add they aren't going to wanted by women because they're walking red flags so they going to look for women who want to be a trad wife to be fully dependent on them

[@Canoby]

TIL Jackie Treehorn is a total Trad-con shitheel

[@user-ii7dc7cb9l]

Lolz

[@grandgibbon2071]

They don't want to be treated as an object though, they think the man is going to hold to a trad standard. IE cherish them, care for them, support them, so on. The reality is though, you just get abused. They fall in love with a Utopian idea, and guess what, there are "trad" marriages where both people are equal partners, and it's not abusive, but that is the exception, and largely built on the back of both parties have fall back options, laws, and society as a safety net.

[@Canoby]

TIL Jackie Treehorn is apparently into the trad lifestyle stuff

[@scottbuck1572]

Imagine being 60 years old and being unable to figure out how a washing machine works; literal children are more competent

[@WiseSageBum]

My parents taught me how to do my laundry when I was old enough--roughly age 11-12ish... The fact there are other men much older than me who don't know how to do laundry or wash dishes is frankly disgusting Like... How can you claim to be a mature man if you can't keep your own home clean?

[@salicaguillotines]

Or if y'all don't like the washing machine, there's always washing by hand but something tells me that following washing instructions and pushing a few buttons is too hard let alone doing laundry the traditional way.

[@DJWESG1]

Let them scrub... :^X

[@kellharris2491]

Honestly it's so unattractive. Basic life skills like cleaning and cooking are essential. They aren't men or women's work.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@salicaguillotines- I've read, here and there, about older men who had no idea what to do when their wives died. They had no idea how their dirty clothes went from the hamper (or laundry chute) to being clean, pressed, and in their closets and dressers. No idea how to even boil water. Or clean the house. Because women had done those things for them all their lives. Some of those stories may be apocryphal or exaggerated, but I've no doubt that there were men who never learned how to cook, or iron their clothes, or other basic tasks because they had wives or housekeepers or unmarried sisters to do that work for them.

[@raven_g6667]

Do not ever let Southern live down her extremely racist history like when she claimed there were no mass graves of indigenous Canadians when that was discovered. I have literally no sympathy for Lauren, specifically. But yea, other conservative women, I wish they'd escape the fundamentally abusive hierarchy they claim is the superior way for a woman to live.

[@user-zb1kw2et6k]

Or filming herself interfering with migrant rescue operations in the Mediterranean.

[@lewdawg69]

@@user-zb1kw2et6kthat shit was CRAZY

[@Jaco059]

There is no proof of the graves prove it

[@apparentlylivin]

​​@@Jaco059 ew Lauren

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

Plus if it was superior you'd think they'd want it all for themselves instead of encouraging others to do the same which should be big red flag #1 especially since our economy would come crashing down if women on mass did that but of course these people never think even 1 step ahead let alone several lol

[@thhunter1]

Conservative-Feminist is such an oxymoron

[@koshilinx8703]

Literally though💀 So does she want the rights or nah?

[@r.j.grayson6899]

​@@koshilinx8703she wants them and wants to benefit from them but she doesn't want to work to keep them or help protect others including any future generations. People didn't think Roe V Wade would get overturned. Now there are women dying because they can't access life saving health procedures. People like Lauren will always have the money (she comes from generational wealth and she could have easily contacted her family to come get her out of Australia at anytime but the point is she was EMBARRASSED that her husband was treating her that way. Even if it is the M.O. of these conservative "trad" loving men.) And if they need a life saving health procedure they're going to be able to travel to get it. Their actions and reasons are always more moral than anyone else because they intrinsically view themselves as better and more worthy of both wealth and apparently, life.

[@beepbopboop7727]

The delulu is strong in that one

[@MyPandaemonium]

In the day and age of TERFs, it is not so outlandish anymore, I'd say.

[@cloudycolacorp]

It's probably just a codeword for hating trans women lol

[@DS-wp2dj]

I started doing my own laundry when I was 7 or 8 years old because I was ashamed of letting my mother handle my dirty undies. These old conservative men have less competence and shame than a child

[@mikaelste-marie1275]

They have 0 basic adult skills.

[@juliaboskamp9666]

Yeah i did that too because i was so ashamed my mom would see my period blood (i don't know why she is also a woman, my mom and learnd me what a period was) How can they be so proud saying they let their wifes clean their skitmarks out of their underwear

[@andrefalksmen1264]

This is why there's a huge Gulf between men and women and there are so large and growing number of men who are just not sympathetic to these complaints. The issue is that they don't know how to do laundry, the issue is that if they are working 60 to 80 hours a week to be the sole provider for a family, why should they have to do their own laundry? If that's the setup, then she the family can be 50/50, she can pay 50% of the bills. But you know frankly most men would just choose not to be married. So we're seeing a complete breakdown of family formation and all of the Associated crisis that come with it.

[@sandpiperr]

I knew how to work a washing machine at that age because my mom taught me and my brothers! It's just insane to not have such a basic skill as "put in soap, close lid, push button"

[@sandpiperr]

​@@andrefalksmen1264 LOL! Mfer is that supposed to be a threat? That's exactly the setup that women who have no interest in being trad wives want! The thing is, though, that it's been proven that even in families where she also works 40-80 hours a week and brings in 50% of the family income, the man does not split the childcare and household duties 50/50. And if your position is "well if I'm not going to be able to order someone to wash the skidmarks out of my drawers, I'd rather just not get married at all"....good! Please don't! No one deserves to be saddled with a spouse like that!

[@GeteMachine]

The eventual end of the not-like-other-girls grifter pipeline.

[@puffball4484]

Yup. They're putting their money where their mouth is and... well... learning the hard way.

[@berjanbeen7188]

Lauren Southern has been here before. She complained about misogyny from the alt-right back in the day as well. The fact that she keeps bumping up against the same issues, should really alert here to the conservative movement, but oh well.

[@r.j.grayson6899]

​@@berjanbeen7188some people like to bash their heads with the point, eh?

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I thought "not like other girls" tended to AVOID typical feminine activities? I thought being a traditional wife WAS a typical feminine activity. 😆

[@r.j.grayson6899]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Oh no, nlogs definitely find a way to be better than others AAALLLL the time. It's a weird not flex in Christian communities that a few really end up like Lauren. They don't realize that there are plenty of SAHMs who do that for a time or women who would prefer it but can not afford it due to capitalism and the circumstances with their families. They think they're extra special by denying that the choice they have (incorrectly made, specifically in Lauren's case, likely with a man she never lived with aka did the test drive) made is the foundation of a lot of feminist rhetoric. Choice is important, and with that comes that everyone gets to make what choices are best for them and their families to the best of everyones abilities. That so many of these nlogs are only ever their betterment and often at the expense of others who are not like them is why specifically they are unwelcome in most feminist communities. Besides being the femmest femmey that ever femmed is an contest most of us aren't aware we're even part of or have the time to indulge. Lauren's privilege is that she experienced a horrible situation that is of her own making and still is able to make content supporting the idea of this abusive lifestyle is not what most women, even the wealthy white ones, experience.

[@omarmohamad815]

Awww you mean being financially dependent on someone who demands you wait on them hand and foot leads to abuse? Oh, I never known.

[@user-vb6mb8cb5k]

Exactly. Its a recipe for an abuse of power.

[@koshilinx8703]

You know it's mighty ironic bashing feminist while directly benefiting and enjoying the fruits of their labour and sacrifices Then coming back to the same feminists she spent her whole career undermining to cry about the very things she was warned about.

[@LorettaBangBang]

Yup, pathetic

[@alyssapinon9670]

As a feminist, women like Lauren Southern are not our fight. They only care about women’s rights when it benefits them and will turn on you the moment they no longer need you. She deserves 0 sympathy

[@sprig5173]

Like anti-choice conservatives who suddenly become pro-choice when their own health is threatened.

[@julietfischer5056]

What feminists fought for has become the norm (except for a few old reactionaries and their resentful offspring). We don't teach our children how hard people fought to bring about the things they take for granted, and how far we still have to go.

[@RevShifty]

@@julietfischer5056 We do a horrible job teaching history period, let alone the history surrounding large social change. And when we do try it, we tend to have an extremely reductionist view of the whole thing. It's always "this one woman did this" or "this one Black activist did this", and so on. We rarely teach that at every step were hundreds of moving pieces and other people that allowed that one person to do that thing, or the years of work it took to build the foundation for that one thing people think they know about. History is complex. The history of social change in a deeply culturally conservative country like the US is exponentially more so. It helps to remember that the "Great Man", the single individual of a given group that "caused all that change" that our virtual mythology loves so much, is just that, a myth. It is never a single person that causes real and lasting change. We're just so reductionist with the parts of our history they we do teach that single people often get all the credit. We ignore the dozens to hundreds of other people that helped create the stories we all know.

[@Nenebee1024]

"I've wondered why my kids eating was dependent on a romantic relationship" it was never supposed to be that way. My parents were divorced and my dad was on disability after I turned 8, and still would always make sure I was fed. A true traditional man isn't gonna let his kids be homeless or starve. These "trad husbands" aren't good partners and they aren't good fathers.

[@mikochild2]

Unfortunately there are so many who think like that woman's ex. They only care for the kids if they have access to the mom. That's why so many men have an issue with child support. They don't understand why they should pay for her if they aren't getting anything from her. They don't view child support as taking care of their kids. They view it as taking care of the woman.

[@Zandy82]

This comes up a lot in the black community. Everything is blamed on women choosing welfare because women are supposed to let their children starve to cater to the ego of a man who’s not providing for his family

[@CharlesNyonga]

The fact that adult men do not know how to do dishes or laundry is laughable.

[@auemmjee]

So is the fact that some women have no clue about finances....don't even know where the accounts are

[@TamiaLeslie-ix5qn]

@@auemmjeemajority of woman know and have to know that…

[@bacicinvatteneaca]

I used to know how to do laundry, then our washing machine broke, and new products suck so the new one is overdesigned and non intuitively intelligible. I don't think one can operate it without the manual.

[@Segen_Bell]

​@@auemmjee the difference is that men can learn that, but even now many women are actively barred from having knowledge about finances.

[@ilovetaylor2169]

@@auemmjeehow much do you wanna bet that more women know about finances than men who know how to cook? (As a female engineer, I’m willing to bet that it’s the former)

[@pseudonamed]

she is incapable of empathy unless she has experienced the same thing herself. this is not a very smart or reflective person.

[@puffball4484]

Most of the right is that way. Same with the NotGayJared guy that's suing Steven Crowder. Can only understand workplace harassment and abuse once it happens to him. Before that he had no issue with the MeToo movement being made fun of by his side.

[@nathanielbables8652]

Some people are slower to develop their empathy then others.

[@davidtran9444]

who knew cosplaying as a 1950s stepford wasn't actually as fun as tv made it out to be. no self awareness by these people. the 60s-70s feminist movement happened for as reason.

[@nathanielchieffallo4273]

Now it seems like they are recreating the feminist movement on a small scale within their own trad wife community. 😂 Makes it seem like the natural end to the "nuclear family" is women saying "I've had enough"

[@greg-op2jh]

Right all the women were addicted to barbiturates back then lol.

[@Sanakudou]

This is being a tad too dismissive of the fact a lot of these women were indoctrinated into these beliefs by the extreme, insulated religious communities they were raised in. It’s tough to get through to people who have been indoctrinated their entire lives and have had their minds preemptively poisoned to think of outsiders as liars trying to corrupt them, unfortunately they tend to have to experience brutal, objective reality first hand before they are ever open to change their belief system.

[@RevShifty]

@@greg-op2jh Don't forget the benzadrine and Obetrol needed to get all that work done before the kids were home. That's why they needed barbiturates to sleep in the first place; they were wired to the gills all day and miserable.

[@themanyouwanttobe]

Self-awareness is the antithesis of conservatism.

[@PoeInTheDitch]

The "face-eating panther party" joke is running wild, these days

[@GeteMachine]

Its just straight cannibalism over there.

[@auntiegrandma09]

But I didn't think the leopards will eat MY face.

[@PoeInTheDitch]

@@auntiegrandma09 damn...it WAS leopards. Ha.

[@natchimon]

​@@PoeInTheDitch It's not too late to make an edit

[@PoeInTheDitch]

@@natchimon nah...I've got to own it. Lol

[@troubadour723]

Turns out they were trad husbands.

[@Dru2037]

They're incels hoping to find women that are brainwashed in this Andrew Tate ideology.

[@yocyber5711]

🤣🤣🤣

[@auemmjee]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@faesstar]

you're evil 😂😂😂

[@seraphjohanson3402]

Tradwives: I want to be a traditional woman! Also tradwives: My husband treats me like dirt! ….girl I thought you wanted to be traditional lmao what’s the problem

[@07Flash11MRC]

They haven't lived through the times when women didn't have rights, so they believed life back then as a trad wife was exactly like the pathological commercials of the 50s and 60s, where actors oozed toxic positivity and which didn't represent real life.

[@Saffron831]

@@07Flash11MRC Very good point!

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Me: stop trying to make us into south korea what a dystopia nightmare

[@paulorocky]

Was it Oscar Wilde who once said the only thing worse than not getting what you want, is getting it?

[@Spongebrain97]

​@07Flash11MRC yeah exactly. They currently live comfortably in a world where the idea of a girl leaving home to start a career path or have their own dreams of life outside the home is common and encouraged whereas back then everything revolved around the husband.

[@Canoby]

It would be a lot easier to take Lauren Southern seriously if she weren't a professional influencer with nothing but toxic ideas

[@aerouksloko2267]

I don’t think any conservative influencers should be trusted when they say they turned over a new leaf

[@Canoby]

@banquetoftheleviathan1404 Troma was mad back in the day

[@thedarknight307]

Or an absolutely racist pos

[@RevShifty]

I don't take influencers seriously under any context ever, personally. And that goes double for any conservative influencer.

[@pw6002]

It would be easier to take Lauren Southern seriously if she wasn't Lauren Southern.

[@gadflyeducator]

“When I voted for the Leopards Eating my Face Party, I never imagined the leopards would eat my face.”

[@martianmanhunter9989]

You can't force an ideology into material conditions that can't support it. The traditional family values didn't disappear because we change our views, we change our views because that lifestyle was no longer sustainable.

[@Callimo]

Also, was it ever sustainable? Maybe for the short periods between the 50s and 70s where CEOs were taxed at a normal rate instead of the bs that's going on now. Where people (well, White people) got a LOT of government programs and subsidies that helped them get land, generate generational wealth and all that. But, tbh, if you weren't middle class and up, you AND your spouse worked. Heck, even your kids still worked if you still lived in an rural area and had farmland. Sure, more people were moving to the cities, but unless you were a certain type of person, you probably stayed working class all your life. I dunno. xD

[@spiraljumper74]

@@CallimoI was about to respond something similar. The explosion in class mobility during that era was due in large part to government housing programs for white people. Pretty much everyone else got left in the dust but that is American history’s most important demographic right there. If white families were doing well, it was a time of plenty and prosperity.

[@martianmanhunter9989]

You both are right, the hegemonic model is rarely achieved by the majority of people but it's still imposed to most of them. I think the contradictions were always there, but there were not fully exposed until they exploded on the faces of those whom the system was supossed to work for. Sorry if I'm not making much sense, I'm currently high on painkillers and my mind is a fog🤪

[@thebiggestpanda1]

Neither mainstream side really seems to understand the actual mindset and reality behind a real traditional marriage. It’s self sacrificing and difficult. These trad-con women want a situation where they’re married to a rich man who will hold them up on a pedestal while they faff around wearing fancy clothes and cooking pies, not actually having to engage in the actual work of being a housewife. The men they pick are typically exclusively rich narcissists who aren’t of the correct mindset or moral character to not abuse their position over a stay at home wife. Both sides go into it for entirely the wrong reasons seeking only the superficial and self serving aspects of the relationship without prioritizing the back and forth servile nature of a real traditional relationship.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Both. It was both. And one incommw families were the expection, not the rule, even in the US.

[@Prime501]

"Help me, my trad wife lifestyle turned toxic!" I missed the part where that's my problem.

[@joylastname3035]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@joycejoy4119]

Not me problem 2024 I’m not helping I’m not saving I’m not feeling sorry I’m not sacrificing ❤

[@rebelpiggy]

Feminists are fine with women being SAHM, feminists believe in women having choice in all matters of their lives. Just be sure you have an agreement to have equal access to finances or get a weekly allowance for the work you do. I have seen suggestions to have an account separate from the household bills to do as you please. I also suggest getting a high yield savings account and Roth IRA to at least have your money growing steadily. You never know what could happen.

[@M0oranshi]

That sounds wonderful, just find a guy that agrees to all of that. Also, isn't that at the core of being 'traditional'? Man makes money, wife cleans.

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

With conservatives the left position is always strawmanned Feminism: women should have choice and opportunity Conservatives: feminism means you aren’t allowed to have choice. Pro choice: women should have a choice Conservatives: pro choice people want everyone to have abortions They are NEVER genuine when approaching liberal ideology

[@nimrodery]

​@@M0oranshiyou mean like an employer can comply with worker rights in order to utilize labor? Yes these are so difficult and not at all basic

[@nothereyetlost]

I take that back, I now realize one woman settling for poor treatment fuels other men to push for more if it, which endangers the collective of women. So NO, I’m not fine.

[@thaismitraud6901]

​@@M0oranshi it's not about find a good guy bc men tend to switch when you leave them it's about having laws that protect women from these situations, on top wide protections for DV. Conservatives try to dismantle these protections feminists fight for.

[@chickyshack1978]

Kinda makes you see why they hate single moms so much...

[@beaniesonna3052]

Yes because they hate it when women leave. You are meant to take the abuse and worship him.

[@chickyshack1978]

@@beaniesonna3052 more like BC they know a lot of them were true believers cast aside for the crimes of aging, having health issues that prevent them from being able to supply a full serving of unpaid labour or becoming sexually "uninteresting". That is, for literally doing nothing wrong then not dropping dead the second they are not kept by a man.

[@maymay-ci1oi]

I hate the article because it glosses over southerns racism, sexism and transphobia

[@floraposteschild4184]

Also getting urine poured on her head during an anti trans rally in Vancouver. Good times.

[@purplelove3666]

Nothing wrong in not agreeing to people wanting to live in delusion,(trans) would you praise someone for being anorexic ?

[@maymay-ci1oi]

@@purplelove3666transphobes are the ones living in delusion, if you expect me to look at Nikita dragun and call her a he, you are the one living in LALA land. Look up buck angel and tell me he looks like a woman without being full of cope and sh1t

[@themajesticmoose8147]

@purplelove3666 Yeah, shove off. If you’re equating anorexia with being trans your are the delusional one. Your ilk just want an excuse to be cruel.

[@lysergo8030]

@@purplelove3666 none of your words fit together. try again, now with brain

[@azazel166]

What's the matter, ladies, you don't like the "traditional" treatment men give you?

[@lonesavior]

It's so crazy how overt it becomes that they bought into the romanticized ideal of the past. No, honey, the 50s only looked better because everything bad about it was swept under the rug.

[@camille5533]

What does that mean?

[@kellycowley3535]

@@camille5533 I imagine the comment is a joke about how Lauren (and people like her) will make videos telling thousands of people that women should 'serve their husband no matter what' then getting upset that their (ex) husband expects her to 'serve him no matter what' (as in a 'what did you expect?').

[@beepbopboop7727]

Exactly.

[@KallenMalefic]

Right? They want to be a trad wife until it comes down to getting beat by your husband and used as a brood mother.

[@ilikeyoutube7224]

Men get worse when you are pregnant because you suddenly have needs. "Babe the dishes arent done" "I know...I've been so exhausted today..." "well Bill's wife did the dishes when she was pregnant..." Now you need support. Now he needs to get you medicine. He gets woken up at night because you are tossing and turning. You are too tired to laugh at every joke of his. Etc. Then you have the kid and it's worse for him. The baby has a servant, not him. Basically, you went from being his dream girl who folds laundry, makes dinner, never questions him, laughs at his jokes, always down for bed fun, to...well needing support too. So these guys gets nasty Watch out for yourself. If your partner isnt supporting you before you drop everything in your life, they will not support you after.

[@LUCYDebDolly]

Also they have you trapped for life. You have to be in contact now, even if you leave.

[@nonaturalbornmalesallowed]

This kind of sht is exactly why many of us women now are going 4B and completely walking away from having relationship with men.

[@AegixDrakan]

Thank you for pointing out the trap. :(

[@jaioxung]

A woman with options is a woman that can separate her choice of a partner from the need for basic necessities. Men should want this just as much as women. If you don't, you're tipping your hand on how you view and treat women.

[@pierregibson6699]

That part they just want a mother/maid that they can fuc

[@nathanielbables8652]

I'm a man in Dallas Texas and I'm with you.

[@julietfischer5056]

Around the world, when women have choices, they stop settling for jerks who abuse them. They can support themselves and be partners to the men. Some men can't handle that.

[@jameseverett9037]

​@@julietfischer5056 You couldn't be more WRONG. Choosing jerks who abuse them is exactly what they do now that they're "free" to make their own choice.. It's laughable how backward and upside down this generation see's the world. The necessity of survival required them to choose men who worked hard and took responsibility, over men who gave them "tingles".... like Chad-pump-&-dump does. That's why now days men on death row for brutal murders - like Ted Bundy - receive over 200 letters a day from women proposing marriage, who don't even know them....except that they're brutal killers. No, I'm sorry. it's the exact opposite. Women feel a desire for Mr bad boy now, to feel the tingles, because men who treat them well and equal are just way too boooring.

[@randomuruk7230]

@@julietfischer5056 That's not what happens, they very much continue to do that.

[@Cedsbestwife]

👀 Who gonna tell them that women got educations and STOPPED being traditional bc that life left them powerless and vulnerable to men⁉️ Meaning, if you had a kind, loving, generous husband, you had a good life… but if your hubby was mean, stingy and funky, your life became all of those things 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@r.j.grayson6899]

They don't like to think it exists. They think the 50s really were all rainbows and wives were happy getting up earlier than their husband's so he never saw her without her make-up on and her hair done. They think their Moms or grandmothers never had to face down their drunken husband's while pregnant with the 5th kid as he beat her because he couldn't keep his D to himself and it was her fault they were gonna have another mouth to feed (loosely based on my fathers 1 clear memory of his Dad before his Dad died in a completely preventable car alcohol fueled accident, except Dad was #10 and his Mom was preggers with #11). Or that Dad came stumbling home from poker night or the pub and decided to eat something only to find out he'd wasted the money he was supposed to give the wife to buy groceries and he decides to start a fight and beat her. His eldest comes in and throws himself between his parebts to prevent his mothers death and his Dad, not sufficiently worn out from the rage he was in transfers his beating fist to his barely teenaged son. They aren't aware that the lack of education and money working class men had made for these situations common place. These men had no idea how to deal with their issues and often did so violently. My Gram used some sort of kitchen device and knocked Grandpa out and the next day (after spending all night in the ER making sure her son lived) went on to divorce my grandfather. This was before it was common to seek divorce and the family- because he was deemed unsafe for the kids) instantly were out of home and destitute. Both Baba and Gram worked their butts off trying to raise their children with very little support or income. My parents have different stories because they grew up in very different environments. Dad lived in a rural area and got his first of many jobs before he turned 8. And before that he maintained a trap line that he onky stopped using when he was a teenager. Mom and her siblings have stories of stealing since there wasn'tmany jobs for actual kids in the city they lived in. These types like Lauren are obtuse on purpose because the reality was awful. Baba talked about how she never expected to have so many kids or pregnancies. They were forced on her (we know because of the graves she had at least 4 miscarriages, likely due to abuse). Gram still talks about how her and Grandpa were young and in love once and shouldn't have been made to get married just because she got pregnant. She also talks about (she'll be 90) that if you end up with a sour man uts best to not replace him and remarry. "They're going to expect you to do all the caring and if you don't do it there way there's only a fist waiting for you." She had other relationships but never remarried. Baba didn't even look at another man ever again. She was content and passed in 2016 at 97. Let Lauren learn the hard way. The rest of us shouldn't be expected to.

[@tanyadelaney8455]

If you want to be a doormat. Be a conservative wife. YOU WILL GET EVERYTHING YOU'RE ASKING FOR!

[@jameswierdchannel744]

Or a lefty man

[@Bonaboo]

@@jameswierdchannel744awww you tried

[@ricopena2053]

That’s why we support no fault divorce. If you want to be married, that’s cool. If you need to leave, there needs to be a social safety net to support you and your family.

[@deathdragoncat]

It's disturbing how many older people believe you should "make it work" regardless of the situation. The idea of marriage is so romanticized that it literally goes above human nature and forgets people change.

[@Otembe]

The stuff that's been exposed regarding Steven Crowder feel like a good example of the average conservative male and how they treat women, especially their wives.

[@rivkatraum]

I grew up in an extremely conservative community, and my mom was the only wife who worked outside the house. A lot of my classmates' mothers went through the same process: get married and have kids young and do the housework, but then some of the husbands cheated on them, mistreated them, or even beat them, and they couldn't leave because they and their kids were financially dependent on the men. His decisions were final, while they could barely have a say. I don't think the trad option is wrong by itself, and of course not all the women around me went through that, but everybody should have a backup plan in case the person they depend on is disgraceful, gets sick, or dies. I don't think it's healthy to 100% financially depend on someone, even if you're a housewife.

[@Chikitew]

My maternal grandparents had a similar dynamic, my grandfather was in the navy and cheated on my grandmother & thus prompted their divorce. My grandmother had zero work history during the years of their marriage & three kids to feed (my grandfather wanted nothing to do with my mom and her siblings after the divorce was initiated, one of them being special needs). Luckily my grandmother was able to find work, but she had to work three jobs to stay afloat as she didn’t even want to try and fight for alimony, child support and social assistance (this was in the early 70s). My grandmother is an embittered woman who I disagree with in many aspects, but the one thing she always wanted to get through to me was to learn how to drive, and make your own money. I’d argue even many of the conservatives of the 80s-90s would find the recent “tradwife trend” appalling and irresponsible.

[@DJWESG1]

It's not actually not a option beyond the aesthetic. The act of being traditional, is also the act of disavowing the modern and all its trappings. You can only miss out if you choose traditional ways of living, be it a man living off grid In the woods or a 1940s housewife living off grift in th3 city.

[@seabreeze4559]

You know what's in the Bible? Anti-adultery laws. They never want those.

[@seabreeze4559]

@@DJWESG1 I disagree, even the Amish don't wanna be medieval.

[@PhoenixFireZero]

I don't understand the problem. Seems they're getting exactly what they asked for and didn't have the sense to think it through.

[@SpikeTheNeuropsych]

We all have the right to make bad decisions

[@fawnieee]

Older women warned them, and they called them bitter and jealous. You reap what you sow 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@ijeonu2405]

​@@fawnieee exactly

[@juvenilia_in_hell]

it's not their fault that society pushes this so hard. this is basically a form of victim blaming imo. these women have been abused

[@jennyanthonia7553]

@@juvenilia_in_hellyou can feel bad that they were abused, but i’m not then going to make excuses for the harm they are perpetuating. it’s sad that they found themselves in these situations, but what were they expecting when they were being warned about the dangers of the life they idolised. and the fact that she hasn’t seemingly learnt anything either…

[@PlanetDeLaTourette]

If this were 1950s trad world then Southern would have been institutionalized with a blue eye, as evidence for the problem here.

[@no_one699]

You mean black eye?

[@frejglass]

They would have claimed she was hysterical and lobotomized her. That's what happened to difficult women back then

[@PlanetDeLaTourette]

@@frejglass Lobotomy. Of course! Why didn't I think of that.

[@seabreeze4559]

She couldn't have married the guy in the first place because he's mixed race. Isn't that ironic?

[@seabreeze4559]

@@frejglass They literally wouldn't be allowed to get married in the first place because he's mixed race. That's an insane irony of this story.

[@Ues2DC]

She’s still toxic.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Always was and always will be. When you're that much of a nazi, it never fully washes off lol.

[@user-dc9oq2pr6v]

Nothing screams ''tradwife'' like having a tiktok account, when wives from the past couldn't even have bank accounts

[@cl5470]

Yes, and she should not be allowed to forget that. The one silver lining is that her kids won't have to grow up that way. They were the true victims of her life choices.

[@Russelshackleford]

These guys are such children, they don’t even know how much easier laundry is than dishes, hilarious.

[@timothy8428]

Depends on the number of dishes, but sure.

[@tamironhill3324]

I was thinking that. Laundry you can let build up a little and just do a larger load where you put clothes in the machine and go fuck off for 30-50 minutes and then put the clothes in the dryer

[@AegixDrakan]

Yeah, Laundry is seriously easy (as long as you're not ironing anything). You separate by color/non-color, you huck it in the washer with a tide pod, let it run until the machine turns off, huck it in the dryer until it turns off, bam, done. I don't know why they're such babies about it.

[@dliap98]

ah cannae be bothered with people who only call out bigotry when it directly impacts them. it's just like when cis gays are transphobic. like you just know that they would be homophobic if they weren't gay themselves. only speaking out on social issues that affect you directly is a worldview so devoid of morals and human decency. that being said, i'm glad she isn't in this awful relationship anymore because obviously nobody deserves that. i hope she has the willingness to see the harm she has done and tries to do better, but i won't be holding my breath

[@ricopena2053]

There needs to be a term for people being woke, but only when it directly impacts them. For example, the Cheney family supported gay marriage because one of their daughters is a lesbian. But Dick Cheney enjoyed bombing Iraqis and cutting social programs that make being poor that much more difficult.

[@seabreeze4559]

But people don't have to like each other. Like, as a woman, I don't have to like every woman on the planet, including Lauren Southern. Why do people act like this is school and we have to play nice?

[@dliap98]

@@seabreeze4559 ? i definitely don't think we all have to like each other. I certainly don't like her and there are a lot of women that I don't like because they're shitty. not sure exactly what you mean

[@mitch8697]

The Simone Biles mental gymnastics these trad-women do are wild

[@bobbybooshay5388]

Its like someone being warned about a bear trap repeatly, then slamming their foot in it and complaining about the pain.

[@mzgreenjeansapproves]

So she's just practicing ⚪ feminism. She's not in community with all women therefore she just is suffering from FAFO. She has NO business using the Underground Railroad to describe her situation. She is co-opting Black women's pain and centering it on Lauren Southland is so offensive!

[@ricopena2053]

That was gross. It shows she’s still conservative. No need to invoke slavery. Just say your husband was an asshole and move on.

[@Virjunior01]

The right-wing only steals, never creates. They know they're freaks, so in a pathetic attempt to garner sympathy, they'll compare themselves suffering any sort of negative consequences for being bigots to slavery, or the victims of post-Weimar Germany.

[@r.j.grayson6899]

Yup. She's an embarrassment to Canada too.

[@Deadpool3E]

Correct-a-mundo! I know I might get some flack for this, but let's be real: the modern feminist movement has it's roots in selfish gains as liberation for all. It largely started out as women having legitimate concerns over autonomy and societal discrimination, though it was mainly catered toward wealthy white women. As we've seen time and time again, the concerns of other groups have been co-opted or dismissed by those in power. Hence how you get rhings like "performative lesbians", TERFs, and Conservative women like Sydney Watson and, in this case, Lauren Southern, trying to play the same tunes, but off-key. For someone like Southern, all she's doing is having a winge fest over the consequences of her beliefs instead of any introspection about them. Essentially, she's like Cartman: willing to push injustice and dismiss progress until the errors of judgement bites him in his fat ass. She understands the issues black women have, but because she's racist and self-serving, cares to treat those issues as sound bytes for her own oppression.

[@deathdragoncat]

Ah my favorite type of feminism. The one where their okay with everyone else but them getting treated badly until they also start to get treated badly. Must we forget how white feminist literally tried to make it so woc couldn't also get rights. They aren't strong enough to make a change on their own, they'll literally wait for someone else to start the uprising and then decide to take over and become the face of it while pushing out the woc who had the gall to do it in the first place.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Traditionalism promotes the idea that women should be subservient to men, so it's no surprise that LS's husband started treating her like he is her boss, and not a partner. I would have sympathy foe her if she didn't profit from her bigotry.

[@xuxuang8574]

As messed up as it is, I'm kind of enjoying this. I only hope the children manage to be undamaged and learn from their parents how stupid this whole thing was.

[@akamal92]

Don't think they'll come out undamaged, mate, sorry to say.

[@jlconnors7872]

Yeah these "trad wife" influencers are doing a real disservice. One, these people are getting paid doing their obnoxious content, so "trad" is out the door on that bs alone. Also these "trad influencers" trying to make it sound like a charmed life when the reality is it pushes women unknowningly into a lifestyle with dire consequences, like financial dependency & abuse.

[@DJWESG1]

Which is probably the reality some their male partners face.

[@angryinky]

They were never in the movement, as they had jobs.

[@dystopicstate]

She's promoting it because she's looking for a conservative man that will retire her. That's it. Some women are not that complicated.

[@akinyiomer4589]

Indeed. We spend so much time on the left trying to psycho-analyse, analyse from a sociological perspective or just extend endless compassion when sometimes it's as simple as you say. There are a fair number of people, mostly those with conservative values but not always, who just always ... their needs or the needs of the group they represent always comes first. It forces some of them into weird positions like Ms Southern where she wants to be recognised as an incredible, powerful conservative woman but also has no interest in questioning AT ALL the toxic sexism that her side espouses. She won't admit that feminism was correct even though she's making the SAME arguments feminists have always made because it just doesn't serve her right now. She still wants her vision of a hierarchical marriage, but with *just* enough freedom as she's comfortable with personally. No getting together w/ her fellow conservative women to talk seriously about their complicity in upholding misogyny. No reflections on her past and present beliefs that lead to her racist alt-right shenanigans. (Denying crimes against Indigenous Canadians, severely interrupting asylum seeker rescue efforts in the Mediterranean, her general white-supremacy apologia.) Just whatever's good for Lauren.

[@missinterpretation4984]

What’s frustrating is that if they got their way then they’d have no choices to leave. No ability to make their own money. None of us would. I was raised religious so I get the conditioning but they need to wake up because they’re coming for people’s rights.

[@cameronransome]

I’ve only just found out this is a thing… And it seems like its the fetishisation & glorification of the post-war (1950’s) ‘American dream’ suburban lifestyle; It’s very strange!!

[@r.j.grayson6899]

That's exactly what it is. They don't know the actual history.

[@craigmoffitt2374]

But only the version that was depicted on television. They would be horrified by the reality of the 50's.

[@sapphicgeek24]

These guys are crazy. I saw one guy on Reddit who wanted a SAHM/Tradwife, but still wanted her to pay everything 50/50.

[@MrDemicio]

People love falling in love with the fantasy but hate the reality of that fantasy

[@kingbubba126]

The worst argument I hear from the less conservative side of the trad wife movement is "Women fought for women to make a choice so being a trad wife is the definition of feminism because that's what I choose" like no, women didn't fight and die to emancipate women from the patriarchal system just for women to return to it and promote it to other women because you're in your "soft girl era"

[@eljoel89]

Ironically, it would be much healthier if they did "Trad Wife" cosplay as kinky adult fun time. Then they could have that fantasy without being horribly toxic to each other.

[@randomuruk7230]

How would a way of life be kinky? What?

[@Bonaboo]

@@randomuruk7230 oh, honey…

[@randomuruk7230]

@@Bonaboo I literally can not fathom

[@fivemargaritasonly]

I hate to see women suffer. But "we told you so" has never felt so good.

[@Hailz01Gamming]

This is EXACTLY WHY being a conservative and on the right is VERY DANGEROUS

[@user-ur4zj7px9d]

And being a feminist and on the left isn't?

[@Bonaboo]

@@user-ur4zj7px9dno? Lol I’ve been a feminist leftist woman for over 10 years and I’m healthy, happy, and safe. I know how to cook, I like to make new recipes for my mom who can’t eat gluten. I get to handle my own finances. I work in animation. I feel way safer around leftist men than I ever did around conservative ones. (the lefties are way more attractive too!) I’m 30 but I’m told I look 20. Meanwhile the conservative women around me have aged like milk, from stress and frustration.

[@user-ur4zj7px9d]

​@@Bonaboo You don't understand the difference between anecdote and statistic, right? The problem here is that you people pretend like being a conservative wife is so incredibly dangerous, and being a feminist is completely healthy and without problems, and support this by anecdotal evidence as if this means anything. I'm absolutely certain that there is a conservative woman out there somewhere that has an even better life than you. Which also means nothing. Millions of women live happy lives in both a trad context and a feminist context. Picking out the failed examples to try and make it seem like it can't ever possibly be a healthy way to live, is exactly as if I would pick out a feminist who invited 5 guys to her house, only to get ... by them and pretend that this must happen to all feminist women and not just some who are unlucky or just bad at decison making, or failed in some other way that was their own fault. You see? If you say conservative wives have such awful lives because Lauren Southern fails at it, is exactly as if I would say feminists have such awful lives because some feminist failed at it. It means nothing. Both can work, both do work for millions of people every day as we speak. Both paths come with certain dangers that one needs to be aware of and work around, and both have their own little failure rate of people that it didn't work out for on both sides. The problem I'm having is that you people either refuse to think correctly and logically, or you can't. Either way. Learn how to think correctly.

[@TMeyer-ge5pj]

Those men talking about not doing anything around the house are really exposing why they have these views....

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

Ive been going back and forth with a white British Muslim that tried to make work sound harder than keeping a home and I've done both. Work was easier, I got breaks, I got paid and I had help. I told him every woman with a grandmother knows he is full of it and that his wife does 10x more than he does. They're so tiresome presenting it as ease and luxury knowing damn well they're lying.

[@purplelove3666]

It's not luxury.

[@purplelove3666]

It's not a luxury,and I am a Muslim, women can also work outside the home, and having a balanced Muslim husband is not a sin lol, I just wish a lot of Muslim women will have their brains on right before they get married.

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

@@purplelove3666 its domestic slavery with the "right" husband. I legitimately felt like I was on vacation when I finally left and got a job and had help with my child. As long as I am breathing I will make sure they're not fooling any young women that haven't witnessed what they will do to a good woman that doesn't have the resources or cultural support to leave. Prevention is easier than digging yourself out of it.

[@andrefalksmen1264]

Yes being financially responsible for a family is so much easier than housework, come on. This is the type of nonsense that Spurs men into the far right. Frankly you just see more and more men checking out and this is the root of the family formation crisis. You left this who loved your welfare state needs to understand, it cannot be supported without at least a stable population and frankly it needs a growing population. However, you are telling men who are working 60 to 80 hours a week that they are contributing nothing to the family by supporting it, they should come home and do half the chores they're just going to check out. You're going to find a large number of men who are just going to go out and out fascist on you, because these are unreasonable childlike demands.

[@shikhasophia2784]

@@ChristinaFromKZbin in u tube comments also they are lots of woman paininting as being a housewife is easy especially many sahm telling they quitted their jobs like that and telling it's most fulfilling job they had

[@Dru2037]

I said it before Mad Men mad every white conservative think they should be Don Draper.

[@grasstastesbad]

so bizarre bc don is miserable. but i guess those guys are too

[@steveglynn1006]

Agreed. It's a shame that conservative media literacy never reaches beyond the most basic aesthetic, or they might have understood that Don Draper was a miserable, shallow, emotionally stunted, cowardly drunk

[@AegixDrakan]

@@grasstastesbad It genuinely seems like most conservative dudes are miserable, yeah. And the only thing that makes them feel better is making other people even more miserable. Doubly so if they're religious and big on the whole "Inherently sinful and needing salvation" dealio. Where progressives want to open joy wide so everyone can participate and create more of it, conservatives want to ration it all so hard that nobody gets any.

[@justinstoll4955]

Kavernacle, this may be a little outside your wheel house, but there have been a lot of husband family annihilators that espoused conservative views, including a lot Mormons. I think there is some correlation of family annihilators because the conservative husbands could not let their marriages end, etc.

[@brandy4530]

A lot of those husbands had a history of domestic violence. It most certainly is related.

[@Palemagpie]

Family annihilators? I'm not familiar with the term.

[@Sheesha87]

​@@Palemagpie family annihilators are people who take the lives of their spouse and all their children.

[@xxshanxx4290]

@@Palemagpiebasically people(in this context men) who kill their immediate family(children/wife). There’s been a lot of cases of men in particular who have killed their family

[@shadowdancer909]

@@Palemagpiepeople who unalive their families

[@MiguelThinks]

"Deadweight. All you do is sit around and take care of the baby and do chores." This is coming from a guy who doesn't even do his university homework.

[@AegixDrakan]

Yeah that bit was completely nutty. The point of Uni homework is to learn the damn subject, why was he making her do it?!

[@deathdragoncat]

It's so wild considering how they push that women being traditional is more respectable than a working women. We all knew it was lies because they've never respected women who take care of them. They just spout BS and some conservative woman falls for it despite seeing the evidence everywhere and then gets the shocked Pikachu face when he says crap like this.

[@Geospasmic]

The Lauren Southern thing is like if someone stuck in a well had advocated being stuck in a well for years and spread hatred of anybody not stuck in a well, and refused any rope thrown to them, insulted the people who offered the rope, and then did an expose about how being stuck in a well is actually really awful as though it was a revelation.

[@ongoingsky9347]

What good is her "reformation" compared to all the damage she does in the meantime? The best she could be is a cautionary tale and proof that tradwife was never a sustainable lifestyle.

[@jonnytorres664]

The article would've been an amazing piece if the author would've been such a: "look at me!!!! I'm also turning "centrist" See how alike we are Lauren!!!! " Instead of just giving us the information of Lauren. At the end of the day I do not respect Lauren, she made that hole of Far-right brain rot and now she is looking to get back into it bc it's what give her power in a world of men, it's no coincidence that she accepted this interview with a TERF, it's market her experience because Lauren cannot see herself outside of a political agent, she needs to even sell her trauma. There's something tragic about Lauren story: she can have this power and control over her life all the while she demonizes the same people that gave her those rights.

[@GeteMachine]

Lauren Southern is an obvious grifter. She went from apolitical to far-right, to fake enlightened centerist, back to far-right. She should just give it up or make the bed she sleeps in. Her child will also no doubt grow up with issues because of his mother's politics.

[@brandy4530]

I agree, she is the Serena Joy in the right wing handmaiden’s tale. She really thought it was going to work for women like her, and to hell with all the others.

[@pinkdiamond1847]

Personally, I've always loved the idea of being a housewife to a loving husband, but I know that's impossible since that would mean giving absolute power to a husband and absolute power has a tendency to corrupt.

[@reticent79andrea]

Yes! This! They assume “If I’m the perfect wife/mother/homemaker, I will attract the perfect husband/father/provider”. They don’t seem to understand that if you give someone ABSOLUTE control over your life, you have voluntarily created an imbalance of power which opens the door to being abused, disrespected, imprisoned. No matter how “perfect” you are 😢

[@jemolk8945]

I think, rather, that power attracts those who want to abuse it. For example, I would not want absolute power over a woman I loved, because that would make it easy for me to accidentally hurt her. I could not possibly accept such a power imbalance, because I'd be terrified of the potential scale of my mistakes -- and of course, as a human, I will make many. Some others might simply treat power as responsibility without thinking through the implications and therefore not suffer the stress, and some of those might even get lucky enough not to have anything serious go wrong. But you'd be foolish to count on that kind of luck. Especially when you account for the likelihood of the worst-case scenario -- abusers are going to be actively drawn toward anyone looking to give away their power, and they can be frighteningly good at hiding who they really are until it's too late.

[@auemmjee]

It's fine...as long as you're financially independent first

[@AegixDrakan]

Yup. Entirely why I'm going out of my way to make sure that when my long distance girlfriend moves up with me, she can find paying work as swiftly as possible. I want her to feel like she has options and power, and is not purely reliant on me.

[@shikhasophia2784]

Men being leader lol for what

[@xanuviz]

I always wondered whether these "trad-wife" women are actually happy in their relationships. I almost feel bad for her, then again it's Lauren Southern so, not really.

[@ginger_snapped_]

Oh no, the leopards, they’re eating her face

[@UlshaRS]

Trad life, conservative edition, tells men they are intellectually superior but a cornerstone trait is weaponized incompetence

[@Zarastro54]

The real victims in all of this are the children. A deadbeat abusive father who doesn’t love or want anything to do with them and a mother who is going to fill their heads with the most vile things. Hopefully they see the contradictions between what she tells them and the results they actually get. Victim blaming is bad, but this is like the ONLY time where you can legitimately say that yes, it partially _was_ her fault for choosing wrong.

[@hollyannsimpson3296]

I grew up with a working father and a stay at home mother. It worked because they viewed each other as equal partners in the relationship. Mom did more around the house because it was her job, but Dad was still there to help, and they kept three purses... one for each of their "pocket money" and one for "housekeeping". The reason Dad earned money and Mum stayed home was that they grew up in a time when that was the easiest division of labour. It was never ideological for them, and they made sure me and my brother knew that. TradCons fetishise the kind of relationship they have while actively throwing out everything that made it work - mutual respect, fair division of labour, and teamwork.

[@minacapella8319]

B-but the Leopards weren't supposed to eat MY face, I'm too special 🥺

[@saintbrush4398]

It's incredibly sad. This is mindset highly influenced by religion and centuries of gender roles. I think we need to support these people in their waking up from the illusion.

[@lawtraf8008]

In my country, gender roles are still very much the standard but women aren't oppressed and that's because our culture deal with gender roles in an uniq way specific to us only that is completely different from all other countries with gender roles.

[@XaraK1]

It's hard for me to feel for these trad wives, as a woman who has been on the receiving end of their sheer viciousness and mean-girl cultish tendencies over the years, coz I was a career woman who has never wanted to not work. I also never wanted kids or marriage and lost friends because I seemed like a threat (I wasn't) I was always being told I'd regret it when I grew old alone with no one to take care of me, and I'd always say actions have consequences so if that's a consequence, I'll have to take my L. And I have the same response for them. They must take their L. Actions have consequences. It is what it is 🤷🏾‍♂️ No I'm not a nice person. But neither are many of those trad wives when they're still engaged in Patriarchy Princessing. And before anyone tells me about background, I'm a preachers kid who grew up in the church with a Mormon best friend

[@kristoffervalen2935]

Southern don't really deserve sympathy maybe empathy, just maybe. No ultra conservative women deserve sympathy, empathy yes!

[@user-oj7uc8tw9r]

I was hoping Id never hear the name Lauren Southern ever again... Im glad this happened to her. She willingly stepped in front of a moving train while not being blind or deaf. Sometimes people need to stick their hand on a hot stove in order to learn, as unfortunate as it may be.

[@TheLobstersoup]

I'm really sorry for the Mormon woman, she sounds so genuine. And it's sad that she was born into a creed where women have no choice of their own. It's honestly shocking to see, because everybody should be allowed to depart from a relationship with dignity. Being civil is why we call it civilisation. We are caught up in ideologies, and emotions turn sour when our expectations aren't met.

[@jarethpalmer8672]

I don't know what she was taught but every church leader I've known at the top of the Mormon church has pushed women to finish college or have advanced vocational skills in case anything goes wrong. In my circle every girl who was like I'm just going to be a mom with a mom degree was avoided like how is that your plan, what if your husband dies in a car crash what if they change for the worse one day, several of them ended up in rough situations because apparently all the guys who wanted their wife to be able to provide for themselves should something happen to them were much better people than someone who just wants their wife to be totally dependent on them.

[@JamesCarter1998]

Lauren Southern is just a real-life version of Serena Joy from The Handmaid’s Tale.

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

My bf and i had this discussion. I want the kind of relationship my grandmother and grandfather had, one of respect and love, not one of dominance.

[@lawtraf8008]

Were they a traditional couple ?

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

@@lawtraf8008 i suppose that depends on definitions. I would say so, but for me that doesn't necessitate include domination. Not so sure others would use the same definition.

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

@@lawtraf8008 she was mainly a homemaker while he worked, but i don't think he would have insisted on that if she wanted to work. He was a very relaxed and philosophical man. I think the harshest thing he ever said to her was when she had a conflict with my cousin (i think over her choice in husband) and asked if she was allowed to have an opinion, and he responded with well you can, but they don't have to like it.

[@malum9478]

my grandparents are also far more empathetic people than you'd expect of boomers. my grandfather is one of the best men i know and an inspiration of manhood to me. he took care of my late step-grandmother without complaint, and is gentle with children and generally kindhearted and hardworking. THAT'S how i've always thought a husband should treat his wife.

[@lawtraf8008]

@@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 Sorry it's long! What you explained is exactly how I would explain my parents relationship. I'm very knowledgable about this traditional relationship topic because I've had a first hand experience my whole life. My parents are a traditional couple so my mom is and has been a housewife/SAHM from the moment they decided to create a family together. They have been married for 26 years and and my mom has been a housewife/SAHM for 24 years. They are happily married with no problem whatsoever. Just like your grandparents, they operate following gender roles but with no superiority over each others. My dad sees her and treats her like his equal partner and not somebody inferior just because he's the financial provider. For him, the work he does outside the house to take care of us financially is as important as the work my mom does inside the house to take care of us. I've never seen him impose his decisions/opinions over hers and I can tell you their differ in many things. He respects her so much. My mom told me us that she used to work before they got married and at the beginning of their marriage but when they decided that they wanted to build a family together, they had a very important discussion. My mom wanted to raise us herself and my dad also wanted us to have our mom taking care of us so he gently asked her (not forced her) if she would be ok quitting her job and he made the promise to take care of her and our whole family to the end. He was making way more money than her so he assured her that he could hold the financial weight. They went and had 4 kids and my dad kept his promise to my mom. He's been working hard to provide for our family our whole lives. Anything my mom or us need, he would get them for us. All 4 of us went and are currently in college and he paid and is paying for all our tuitions. I'm so thankful and blessed to have him as a dad, he's the best. My mom always tell us how great of a man he is and has always been to her which is why my mom is always so happy cooking and taking care of our family house. She never saw it as oppressive or something she's forced to do, it's just her chosen role just like my father has his chosen role and they are very happy like that. I'm a 22 year old guy and I have so much admiration for them. I personally believes that a traditional relationship can work really well but the man has to be a good man.

[@3dartxsi]

Two major flaws in the Tradwife plan: 1.) supporting a full household on a single income isn't possible for like 90% of the population anymore 2.) the women who proscribe to the tradwife lifestyle are opposed to drugs and booze, so the typical tactic of numbing the pain and monotony of domestic living with copious amounts of valium and alcohol isn't available to them. This isn't to say there aren't other problems, just the impracticality of adopting such a lifestyle.

[@michaelcordeiro12]

I want to build the most hierarchical society possible but like I'm definitely going to be at the top of it and the hierarchy will stop exactly where I want it to

[@spiraljumper74]

Challenge: Make me feel bad for Elsa, She-Wolf of the SS. Challenge level: Impossible.

[@conrad4222]

Today I learned Southern is Canadian

[@r.j.grayson6899]

And most of us are super embarrassed she is.

[@mikaelste-marie1275]

Look we don't claim her.

[@las8883]

Unfortunately

[@leon24832]

Canada really isn't sending their best.

[@vertigo2894]

Contrary to popular belief, some of the nastiest and most bgted people I ever met in my like are Canadian. I was even refused entry into a nigh club in Nova Scotia cause of my rce. This has never happened to me anywhere on earth. In case you don't know why I am not spelling some words out, it's cause youtube sometimes deletes them.

[@bodhisattva2348]

Yes, get married young so you can have nothing & no fututre when u need to Divorce. How these women don't see this coming.

[@mikaelste-marie1275]

They have no survival instict.

[@AegixDrakan]

@@mikaelste-marie1275 Which is *wild* to me, since the only value I see conservatism holding is as a survival ideology (ie, focus only on defending the in-group, make the in-group as small and defensible as possible, ends justify the means, etc) And yet they're SO bad at it!

[@floraposteschild4184]

Lauren grew up in Surrey, BC, near me. Nowhere in the world is perfect for women and I don't know her family, but can say she had many, many more employment and education opportunities than previous generations. That conservative crap is NOT the culture here. WTF is this "cabin in the woods". What woods where? There's no woods in Surrey.

[@qplaylistlibrary4296]

It’s concerning in her case because the same views that got her into a mentally abusive relationship, she’s still validating. The more sinister thing about this is that even though she knows where conservatism will lead other girls she’s still going to perpetuate its beliefs because conservative media/speaking engagements pays much more. This is why you have people like Owen’s and Rubin who come from marginalized communities trying to win over the right, but it’s because the right pays. Right wing content is extremely lucrative, it’s like they’re “selling out”(such an over used term I know😂), but it’s for the money. My opinion, but y’all I’m so afraid to have another baby in this messy world🤦🏽‍♀️🤣😂🤣. I’m afraid for the future.

[@alexj-t2331]

These aren’t even traditional lifestyles or the women would also be in charge of the finances, purchasing, community outreach and volunteering. (Plus the other bad stuff like not being allowed to divorce etc)

[@AegixDrakan]

Yup. Casual reminder that in viking culture, women ran the households, and the finances, and could just leave.

[@schuylergeery-zink1923]

There’s a great quote by Andrea Dworkin: “To right wing men, we are private property. To left wing men, we are public property.” As a libertarian lady I know I own myself and am liberated and empowered (I am no one’s property). I respect that women fought hard for our human rights to be recognized by government and others. I’m also really disturbed that conservatism infiltrated the liberty movement (apparently again - there seems to be a push and pull between the left and right leaning positions history repeating itself or rhyming instead of simply embracing the humanity of one another with compassion). I feel bad for people who get indoctrinated into patterns of thinking which are harmful to themselves. It’s also why I always listen to different perspectives and keep a sharp mind vs echo chambers and dogmatic thinking. It’s truthful to meet every human being where they are here and now… there’s too much of people trying to control each other.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

"Libertarian lady"... sure...

[@Farfetched.]

This is what happens when you try and turn a fantasy fetish into real life.

[@Takeru9292]

And never mind the fact that the man is more likely to be abusive, what if he simply dies? Then what? The woman is screwed…

[@cbunny6671]

Conservative women advocating for the "Leopards eating faces party" and then marrying Leopards and finding out their faces are first on the menu. I get that due to their upbringing, they were forced away from actually sane beliefs, but it really strains my empathy.