Law, Gospel, and Sanctification w/ The Baptist Broadcast | Theocast

When you assess your life and your sanctification, do you conclude that there’s no way you could be God’s child? If so, it is possible that the categories of the law and the gospel have not been clearly explained for you. In today’s episode, Jon and Justin have a conversation with Josh Sommer (host of The Baptist Broadcast) about the law/gospel distinction and sanctification.
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[@patlangness7942]

Yes. Positional sanctification is all included in our Heavenly salvation. Progressive sanctification comes from God also, as he teaches us our weakness so that we see our need to rest in our completed salvation while he works through us.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@jstefan95]

Great job guys. This is serious business with souls at stake.

[@neill.m.herbert]

I wish you guys would've interacted with Philippians 2: "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."

[@patlangness7942]

The way we add virtue... To our faith is ny his sovereign power and timing. We have no strength. Absolutely, guys.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@patlangness7942]

"Dear child. Rest in me and do nothing until you know I am praying and doing through you."

[@Lij_MC]

Does this sound like doing nothing? 1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@patlangness7942]

If we are looking anywhere except to our completed salvation in Christ, we are in the flesh, and we will get out of the flesh when it is God's timing for us to start abiding in our completed glorification again.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@patlangness7942]

I love you guys for getting so close to the whole glory of the gospel, but close os as good as missing the mark.

[@daverosenstock1637]

Oh, a thousand times amen!!!!

[@blank-964]

Great episode

[@patlangness7942]

Setting ourselves apart is going back to the cross where we were separated by death from our flesh. We are fully glorified now, positionally. Set your mind on things above. We are justified, sanctified and glorified at the throne of God, noe, positionally. The reason the church is mired in sin is because we have left our perfect position in Christ behind.

[@melakellys]

As always, this was excellent, and glad Josh was a part of this. Great information and such a blessing to learn more about the L/G Distincition. Thanks to all of you brothers.

[@patlangness7942]

Don't unhitch glorification. We are complete in Christ.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@patlangness7942]

Paul Washer says there are no great men, only a great God.

[@chrisarmstrong3200]

sanctification is the process of the law being written on our hearts

[@patlangness7942]

Then offer us our completed glorifified position in Christ.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@cynthiahunter2570]

I believe Martin Lloyd Jones said if you preach “Grace” correctly you will be mistaken as an antinomian.

[@markwood1668]

Sanctification to be set apart or to be made Holy. We are filled with the Holy Spirit or baptized in the Holy Spirit which is a on boing process until the end where sanctification leads to glorification!

[@graftme3168]

Being baptized in the Holy Spirit is an ongoing process? Isn't that a one time thing?

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@johndodson8464]

Great Roman Catholic doctrine taught here. Priest Justin strongly denounces the Reformed doctrine of justification. Justin for Pope!

[@patlangness7942]

Yes. The law is always to bring death . The cross replaced the law, because we were separated ny death from yhe flesh. The law needs the flesh.

[@patlangness7942]

The only way to h 52:46 ave Christ s power is if the whole, positional salvation is preached.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@themanincharge6418]

Good works (the outflow of progressive monergistic sanctification within a reformed ordo salutis) are required in salvation. Eph 2:10

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@halilalexanderzeverboom6872]

But not as the means of salvation but the cause thereof.

[@themanincharge6418]

@@halilalexanderzeverboom6872 the causal effect requires good works. Right?

[@halilalexanderzeverboom6872]

@@themanincharge6418 If there is no change whatsoever, call it good works, holiness, obedience then something is off. Ephesians 2:10 says we are created for good works in Christ, but those from faith are not the cause and reason for our salvation but a result of our salvation. Are you Reformed in theology? Or do you share other convictions? If the good works from faith are the means to salvation, how many good works are enough then?

[@themanincharge6418]

@@halilalexanderzeverboom6872 my theology aligns within the reformed tradition. I agree with you but I am not hesitant to say that good works are required within the ordo salutis. I guess the discussion is: where is that placed? Good works do not justify nor regenerate but are an aspect of progressive sanctification.

[@bad_covfefe]

With respect to obedience and doctrine, we are not all the sons of God. Rather, it is only those who truly believe in Him and do His will. . . . Those who do not obey Him, being disinherited by Him, have ceased to be His sons (Irenaeus, 180 ce). 11 It is neither the faith, nor the love, nor the hope, nor the endurance of one day; rather, “He that endures to the end will be saved” (Clement of Alexandria, 195 ce). 12 Hoodwinking multitudes, [Marcus, the heretic] deceived many persons of this description who had become his disciples. He taught them that they were prone, no doubt, to sin. However, he said that they were beyond the reach of danger because they belonged to the perfect Power (Hippolytus, 225 ce). 13 Certain ones of those [heretics] who hold different opinions misuse these passages. They essentially destroy free will by introducing ruined natures incapable of salvation and by introducing others as being saved in such a way that they cannot be lost (Origen, 225 ce). 6 A tree is made manifest by its fruit. So those who profess themselves to be Christians will be recognized by their conduct (Ignatius, 105 ce).7 Into this joy, many persons desire to enter. They know that, “By grace you are saved, not of works,” but by the will of God through Jesus Christ. . . . But He who raised Him up from the dead will raise up us also-if we do His will, and walk in His commandments, and love what He loved, keeping ourselves from all unrighteousness (Polycarp, 135 ce). 8 Let us therefore repent with the whole heart, so that none of us perish by the way. . . . Let us then practice righteousness so that we may be saved to the end (Second Clement, 150 ce). 9 Let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood not to be Christians, even though they profess with the lips the teachings of Christ. For it is not those who make profession, but those who do the works, who will be saved. . . . The Son of God has promised again to deliver us with prepared prepared garments-if we do His commandments (Justin Martyr, 160 ce).10 Theocast's gospel is a gospel completely alien to what all the earliest Christians believed about scripture. When it comes to interpreting scripture, who should I believe? Theocast, or the people who met and learned from the authors of scripture?

[@philiptweet5970]

Law vs gospel = old covenant vs new covenant

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@patlangness7942]

We don't sanctify ourselves at all. Any kind of sanctification is God's work.

[@cleob9956]

Would you tell me some of your favorite teachers, books? I’m interested in what you’re saying. Thank you.

[@cleob9956]

Would like to understand better.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@johndodson8464]

27:07 OPEN HERESY

[@user-ty6eq3fr7b]

saying that justification transforms lives is heresy?

[@johndodson8464]

@@user-ty6eq3fr7b YES!

[@johndodson8464]

@@user-ty6eq3fr7b It's the Catholic doctrine of INFUSION

[@johndodson8464]

@user-ty6eq3fr7b Suppose a judge declares a murderer "guilty." Is that declaration of legal status what made the guy have murder in his heart. Is it the judge's declaration that changes his heart into a murderer?

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@johndodson8464]

You guys really need to emphasize the most important justification/sanctification distinction. Justification is EXTRINSIC. It's a LEGAL declaration OUTSIDE of the sinner that DOES NOT wrought any CHANGE IN THE HEART.

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@johndodson8464]

@Lij_MC Thanx Lil Catholic. Now go put on your lil Pope hat.

[@paulbeahm3891]

Yeah you're right, Christ doing the work on our behalf and loving us first should have no effect on our heart whatsoever, we should accept it in knowledge and be emotionally indifferent to His finished work on our behalf and His completing the greatest act of love ever displayed by a man... oh wait no that's not right, that's the response of a mind still given to unbelief. We love because He first loved us.

[@johndodson8464]

@paulbeahm3891 Dude, you just need to study the Reformed doctrine of justification.

[@johndodson8464]

@paulbeahm3891 Suppose a criminal killed someone, ran away for 10 years, was later extradited to stand before the Judge. The Judge swings the gavel and declares, "Guilty." Was it the declaration of guilt that made the man have a murderous heart???

[@johndodson8464]

49:17 Good job, old boy, in setting that straight, correcting Justin's heretical teaching.

[@jorge74f]

He wasn’t actually correcting what was previously said.

[@johndodson8464]

@@jorge74f Yeah, he was.

[@johndodson8464]

@jorge74f Pastors don't publicly argue with another pastor, but he was refuting Justin. It was necessary.

[@jorge74f]

@@johndodson8464 Really? What was the wrong statement?

[@johndodson8464]

@@jorge74f 27:07 Justin denounced the Reformed doctrine of justification.

[@johndodson8464]

27:07 "To act as though justification is merely forensic, but it has no transformative power is not Biblical." Bud, you better check yourself. That is CATHOLIC HERESY!!! Take your INFUSED Justification BACK TO ROME!! HERESY!

[@Lij_MC]

1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

[@johndodson8464]

Justin, you need to read Luther's The Bondage of the Will, and STOP PREACHING until you do so. You are teaching a Catholic doctrine of justification.

[@bryanpratt5850]

Can you specifically show how what Justin taught is the same as the Roman Catholic doctrine of justification?

[@johndodson8464]

@@bryanpratt5850 Josh read the refutation at 49:17.

[@johndodson8464]

@bryanpratt5850 I don't have time for Romper Room. If you don't know the difference between EXTRINSIC vs the Catholic INFUSED teaching on Justification, then go find out.

[@paulbeahm3891]

You need to attempt to understand the weight of what's actually being taught here in contrast with the fleshly interpretation of sanctification.

[@johndodson8464]

@@paulbeahm3891 I'm not antinomian. Please watch my video on Lordship Salvation for explanation. But what you need to understand is that Justin attacked the Reformed doctrine of JUSTIFICATION, which is CENTRAL. It was open heresy. Unless you're a Catholic, you need to study to find out about it.