Law & Order is Cringe

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

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[@theshire9173]

How did these guys misunderstand Gamergate so badly that they thought it was about violence in videogames?

[@Neku628]

Look at it's writer, this show was written by an out-of-touch, Jack Thompson "video games are violent" conservative boomer.

[@masqueraid988]

Part of it I guess is who the writer is, and gamergate growing around not being understood by anyone who isn't deep into internet culture. Or have looked into the culture.

[@CoffeePleaseThnx]

All the cops needed to do was make an incorrect statement about how to dox someone and wait for gamer bros to say "UM ACKSHUALLY here's how we doxxed this person (homophobic slur)"

[@soul_of_a_gamer]

Cops literally wouldn't care. Doxing someone isn't illegal. The harassment and personal attacks at a person's residence and place of work is what happens to be illegal. The reason it happens is because people use the same user name on multiple social media sites, and put their address and place of work on those social media sites so people connect the dots. You know, like the JK Rowling doxers who found out where her "family" lived who were completely unrelated to her and threatened those individuals, and then the group took the dox down making a half assed apology. But doxing is okay when the left does it.

[@heywoodjablome5380]

I truly do love that no matter the viewer's position on gamergate, everyone agreed that this episode sucked at depicting it

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

this episode was the equivalent of the kendall jenner pepsi commercial. the whole internet could come together and hate something in solidarity, and that's just beautiful

[@Liliputian07]

theres only one valid position on gamergate

[@BRIANNA_00]

​@@Liliputian07 And what position is that?

[@TheCompleteJeff]

It’s wild that SVU focused on the games aspect and not the misogyny(more) and incel phenomenon

[@isaacbenrubi9613]

"In the criminal justice system, randomly inserting video game tropes and lingo into your cold open is considered especially heinous." ...Dong dong

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN. - Dick wolf

[@Chuck_EL]

​​@@SAVYWRITESBOOKS As someone who grew up during the "Mortal Kombat causes boys to be serial killers", "Doom csuses boys to shoot their highschool student alum" and "Marylin Manson caused Columbine" spookism scares in the 90s Seeing the very people who called this out in the late 90s using the same exact arguments while pretending to be "progressive" is completely saddened but not shocking Thank you for pointing this out as well

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

​@@SAVYWRITESBOOKS"translate to English" 😂 Get with the times, Google!

[@isaacbenrubi9613]

I'm going to start my own Law and Order show. It'll be produced by Swift Mary Jane and created by Penis Coyote.

[@BATCHARRO]

Dong Dong will never be in Law and Order. On account of Never Die.

[@beyondallmeasure]

😂 The intro about books being a gateway... as a mom of now-adults who had those kids while I was still in a fundamentalist Christian cult... you're description is SO spot on! 😂

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

hahahaha thank you!

[@matticelery52]

doing drugs on the side while being a cop isn’t hard to believe to be fair

[@Heyu7her3]

First responder professions create many addicts

[@AnxiousGary]

"Who has ever in the history of all video games hated a game solely because it isn't violent enough." Literally my brother and all of his friends who mocked me for playing Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, and The Sims 1 when I was a kid.

[@darthrevan6]

I mean, once you're past 14 years old you don't get that sort of nonsense anymore.

[@averyarp7901]

​@@darthrevan6my time on the Internet says other wise.

[@theshire9173]

They might mock a games fans, but I don't think they'd hate the game itself and its developers

[@AnxiousGary]

@@theshire9173 Yeah, I don't know anyone who's kidnapped a game developer. There very much is an entire demographic of people who hate cozy games specifically because there's no violence, though. I also know people who never read anything and skip every cutscene when they're playing a game. Shocking.

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

The difference being more people are just assholes and bullies, and not full psychos or criminals over gaming opinions. (There are exceptions though, that's for certain.)

[@everfluctuating]

SVU really said "gamergate was fatherless behavior"

[@kgldude]

"Boys break things. It's in their DNA." *Smash cut to violent video games* Lev Kuleshov would be proud.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

You read my mind. I considered doing a little kuleshov reference there

[@mttylerdurden9]

Who's Lev kuleshov?

[@kgldude]

@@mttylerdurden9 Soviet film director and scholar who first described the idea that editing two separate images one after the other can cause the viewer to associate them in their mind without the need for the film to make that association explicit, otherwise known as the "Kuleshov effect".

[@erikabloodaxe2581]

“There’s no reset button in the real world” was a popular saying with Boomers in the early to mid 90’s.

[@Its_zach_jk]

Whoever came up with the “leveled up” line should be forbidden by the Supreme Court from writing ever again or at the bare minimum be required to disclose that information to the public. “Hey there, I’m Jessie. I just moved into the neighborhood and I am legally obligated to inform you that I am the one who came up with the leveled up joke following SA in an episode of Law and Order. Please sign this form.”

[@SageGnosis]

Ice T is a big gamer IRL and it is casually referenced throughout the show. There is no plot point about it - just throwaway lines

[@kenlee4356]

YEAH I'M A GAMER!

[@TheWaverunners]

When Miis were revealed for Smash Bros. 4, Ice T was one of the Miis they used to show them off.

[@zuglymonster]

The guy she's talking to is a therapist. There's a whole back story of why she's worried about her boy being violent. She's scared he's gonna be a rapist because his dad is. It's still absolutely ridiculous but there's a whole ass lore behind her weird fixation on it

[@mttylerdurden9]

I mean, Her dad was also a rapist.thats how she was conceived.That could be part of it to.

[@micaylamae3283]

Right, I was about to butt in with this comment bc SVU was a special interest for a while there but I figured I’d better check to see if there’s someone else who said it better 😅

[@LangkeeLongkee]

​@@micaylamae3283 I'm an SVU GIRLIE! In fact I held off on this video cause I was rewatching the show from the beginning and wanted to catch up this episode naturally before I watched this.

[@riccardoleone4265]

How hater girl behaves in this episode is basically her role in the series as far as I've been watching it: always mean, rash, snarky, always saying the thing that makes your eyes roll out of the skull. I guess they keep her to make the other characters look good by comparison

[@amandamandamands]

Yeah the only time that she was the one that you felt compassionate for is when her sister and mum turned up. Even then it made you wonder why she wasn't no contact enough that they wouldn't know where to find her.

[@johanrob7972]

Her character is hilarious. Sparky new southern blond ready to go in the beginning, has like 2 different baby daddy's and gets with the cop gone lawyer(not father) before the end. Quite the arc. From Wikipedia I stopped watching episodes post 2016.

[@SecretAgentNein]

There was that one time the team was going after a vocal coach where Amanda was the only one who considered that he actually might be innocent and that they could destroy an innocent man's reputation while the others just wanted to bulldoze the man's career and reputation to the ground just to see where the investigation went. I did like how Carisi cared for her and her kids though.

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

I don't know if this goes for SVU in general, but this episode has some major "how do you fellow gamers" energy.

[@katharineeavan9705]

honestly it depends on the episode. What you have to bear in mind is that SVU in particular has always had a massive tension between its purpose as ripped from the headlines cop apologia and the fact that anyone working on a show specifically about sex crimes that sometimes draws from real life cases is going to have or at least develop some pretty strong opinions which are often going to show up more similarly to left wing ideals about sex and gender politics. So you end up with a very confused show overall that can't make up its mind whether cops are infallible action heroes who always get the bad guy, whether victims should always be believed, whether the investigation and trial process is retraumatizing or empowering, whether we live in a sexist society that glorifies violence, whether the cycle of abuse is something that needs addressing on a level that isn't just about punishing abusers, and so many other issues that become central to the show at many points. It can have very good episodes that make very pertinent and important points in effective and empathetic ways, and it can be so out of touch and ignorant that it's unintentionally hilarious.

[@Chuck_EL]

Seeing Olivia demonize her toddler son (who she knew was abused hence why she adopted him) while claiming she cares about child's rights was disturbing honestly

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

The show is a mess that occasionally works, it's mainly just very mainstream living room television entertainment. And sometimes it'll manage to be better or come close to something more, but really it's just a popular go to and good for reruns.

[@Chelaxim]

@Shift_Salt The show has been on since 1999 they had to explain to the audience (via Stabler) what a chat room was in season 1. They will get things wrong. People don't realize how old the franchise as a whole is. In season one of Law and Order (1990) a medical examiner had to explain to a cop (aka the audience) about DNA forensics. DNA was so new in the realm of forensics defense attorneys in real life would try to convince the jury that it was new tech and you couldn't be certain. Both shows are the longest and second longest non Animated scripted TV shows in American history...you can't roll a lucky 7 every time.

[@darkstarr984]

@@katharineeavan9705Yes. I think that all the things you mentioned here are why I actually do like SVU despite having always disliked all the other Law and Orders.

[@crystal_lite]

“Nobody has ever played the Sims in build mode” as I’m playing the Sims in build mode 😅😅

[@saggguy7]

I almost exclusively play build mode 😂 let me build my tiny house community in peace

[@dinosaysrawr]

I honestly spent the majority of my time in Build Mode when I played the Sims.

[@wendyheatherwood]

I've never played Sims in build mode, but I have spent hours and hours in Rollercoaster Tycoon 2's sandbox mode in order to build a town inhabited entirely by staff members in mascot outfits.

[@dodixaverius9176]

Sadly if we are talking about sims 4 exclusively, that is the only realistic mode to play to get the most fun out of it.

[@gam8ligant]

@@dodixaverius9176 cas is great too if you have cc

[@Turbo_Waitress]

YES THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS! I remember watching this when it aired and my jaw just dropping during the cold open with that “he leveled up” line and all of it. I shouldn’t have been surprised but I was.

[@RKGold]

😂😂

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

what, you don't also refer to traumatizing violence as "leveling up"?

[@pollysshore2539]

Law & Order exists to promote B rated irrational fear and panic.

[@Ticket2theMoon]

"We're in the Dhar Mann and Tommy Wiseau Crossover Cinematic Universe" 😂😂😂

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

LOL that's the only way to describe how these people are behaving

[@Ticket2theMoon]

@@SAVYWRITESBOOKS I remembered the episode, but at the time I watched it (already a rerun) I was so busy laughing at her saying in the release livestream, "A game TWO YEARS in the making!" that I forgot how bad the rest of it was. Wow, 2 whole years for a AAA video game?? That, and the fact that they seemed to want Logan Paul to do as little acting as possible.

[@gooeydude574]

So you see, video games are bad

[@puceronie]

I mulled over this for a bit and finally formed a coherent thought: the episode acts as an anti-teacher. Not in the sense of hating teachers and what they do, but in the sense of being the opposite of a teacher (or what a teacher should strive to be/do): "Here's a topic I know almost nothing about. I'll make darn sure you hate it as much as I do. At the end of this experience, we'll walk out confident and ignorant."

[@erichansen2860]

I used to listen to Ice T's podcast around the time of gamergate. He is actually a gamer. He would talk about playing Titanfall with his son.

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

"Raina Punjabi"? Yeah, tell me you don't know anything about South Asian names and culture without telling me.

[@robkrol2137]

Dick Wolf makes TV for Old Conservative People. Being accurate about South Asian Names isn't how his target demographic rolls. . .

[@dinosaysrawr]

At least they didn't call her Cindy Vindaloo.

[@anidnmeno]

"gender is stored in the balls"😂😂

[@Garth2the2ndpower]

I know very little myself, and even I thought that name sounded off.

[@williamdixon-gk2sk]

​@@dinosaysrawr that's funny

[@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv]

To be fair, I would immediately distrust anyone reading "A Catcher In The Rye" for fun because I hate Holden so much. Oh, you think everyone's fake? So are you. To be fair, I read it when I was a teenager and acted a lot like him.

[@williamdixon-gk2sk]

Thank you. I hate that book(and Holden lame-ass Caufield) so much. And it wasn't just being young, I re-read it in jail recently and it's unrelatable trash. (Holden also makes some very problematic statements about his younger Sister that I'm surprised have not been brought up in recent times)

[@KrazyKaiser]

That gamergate video was SO GOOD. I was literally in college for game art at the time all that was going on and I still didn't know even like a quarter of what I learned in that video.

[@Mondomeyer]

"Video games glorify violence and degradation of others"-- Someone writing anti-civil rights, pro-death penalty propaganda.

[@tracey9888]

Yeah didn't they make a trans predictor episode where they die in prison

[@tracey9888]

But they have the moral high ground

[@Mondomeyer]

@tracey9888 I don't know, I've seen very little L&O; just enough to know basically what it is. What you described does sound like the show I sampled.

[@symonewest5449]

SVU and nuance do not mix. I remember another episode about a stand up comedian who makes r*pe jokes but then of course turns out to be an actual serial rapist. Also a rape survivor from another episode goes undercover to record him assualting her. Remember, you cannot be misogynistic and contribute to rape culture unless you are an literal rapist! Also, you, as an already traumatized private citizen should definitely risk your personal safety and retraumatize yourself in order to do the cops' job for them, because that will always lead to justice! Messages!

[@LangkeeLongkee]

There is nuance in Law and Order though... You're misrepresenting the show. Yes that episode happened but that wasn't the first time they addressed a creator seemingly enabling violence with "comedy" and bad things happen. When it was previously addressed, a radio host joked about an actress being assaulted and then she was. The radio host was regarded as being a gross dude, but not criminally responsible. He even testified for the prosecution of the ACTUAL criminal. You can't really use one episode in isolation, especially one that was literally a spin on something they already covered from the other side, as an example. And I'm rewatching the show right now actually, that's why I'm on this video now cause I was waiting till I got to the episode this video is about. And they didn't ask that civilian to do that. She did it because she had also been previously on the show as a victim and personally knew the victim of that episode, she just really wanted to help her cause she felt so bad.

[@KrazyKaiser]

If videogames don't poison your brain then why am I dreaming about geometric shapes falling on me??

[@pollysshore2539]

As always it’s the voodoo of moving pictures, or Satan.

[@SpoopySquid]

We don't kinkshame here

[@pollysshore2539]

@@SpoopySquid 🤣

[@wendyheatherwood]

Repressed memory of that time another kid pushed your toy block tower on top of you as a toddler?

[@limendime3720]

I had a dream yesterday that Valve posted a Valentine's Day animation about Team Fortress 2 that made Heavy and Medic a canon couple. My brain is rotting.

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

I'm used to Dick Wolf's shows promoting copaganda and false narratives about policing and police brutality (thanks Skip Intro's Copaganda series!) but this is a whole new level of "how do you do fellow kids?" and twisting a real event to glorify the police.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

how do you do fellow kids, it is i, sir not-a-cop

[@pollysshore2539]

Lengthy (sorry) and on and off topic. I’m going to copy and paste another comment I wrote here: “I do not watch Law & Order. I don’t like the way they handle popular stories. Their treatment of Lenore Skenazy left a bad taste in my mouth. She is a woman that was deemed “the worst mom in 🇺🇸” after she let her 9 year old son ride the subway home alone. The media failed to report that Lenore and her husband had been teaching their sons the subway riding ropes most of their lives. Their son had been begging his parents to let him try to make his way back home alone it for some time. They discussed it, and went over everything with him several more times before agreeing. Lenore took him to the safest subway platform in NYC at that time (outside of a purse department in an upscale store). The subway car was primarily full of women/mothers. This platform provided the easiest route home. He had to get off the subway and take a short bus ride to a stop less than a block from their home. He did it and was so proud of himself. Lenore, a journalist who used to write for MAD Magazine, wrote about it for the paper she was working for at the time. She was crucified. Law & Order then did an episode about it where they killed the kid playing her son. It was pretty grotesque and unnecessary.” 👆👆 This was messed up on so many levels. Lenore was already being hounded for being a terrible mother by every media outlet. Unsurprisingly, everyone ignored the fact that her husband was also part of the decision making process. Surprisingly, the people that killed the boy in the show were not the typical stranger danger/predator abductors. It was a group of teenage bullies. It heavily focused on police saving the day when there was no one to save irl. Lenore ended up dedicating her time and energy into fighting against irrational fears surrounding kids that have been stoked and promoted during various moral panics over the decades. She is a safety freak. She is a worried mother. She is also very aware that a majority of 🇺🇸 falsely believe that the number of missing persons reports filed on minors each year in 🇺🇸 (100s of 1000s) = the number of confirmed abductions. This false belief has driven conspiracy theorists for decades. (Think of Q Anons mole children 😂). In reality there are 100 or less stereotypical stranger abductions in 🇺🇸 each year, out of 80 million minors. The majority are runaway teens living and trying to survive on the streets but of course they are not the cases the media focuses on. They focus on the rarest cases of all… the suburban white child. When I was a kid there were 130 stereotypical stranger abductions of minors each year, out of < 60 mil minors, majority runaways. Recovery rates have gone from 10 to 90% in the last 40 years, yet parents falsely believe that abductions are more rampant today. So rampant that they can’t let their kids play in their own yards (if applicable). Lenore promotes letting kids do a wide range of activities on their own when they are ready. Activities that are based on one’s living and financial arrangements. She notes that riding the subway alone might seem horrifying to parents that do not live in cities, just like letting a kid take a walk in the woods seems terrifying to her. The activities range from cooking dinner to walking the dog to riding bikes with friends to doing laundry … She has also introduced bills in several states that are attempting to roll back harsh punishments placed on parents that let their kids do things like playing at the playground at their apartment complex, etc… Law & Order is always making the paranoia and hyper carceral project worse.

[@pollysshore2539]

Pardon any stuttering thumbs, autocorrects or weirdly worded sentences. I’m exhausted. *Also meant to add that 90% of missing persons reports filed in 🇺🇸 every year are simple misunderstandings about whereabouts that are cleared from the system within hours. They still count toward the number of MPR’s filed each year. The minors remaining range from teens that snuck out when grounded for 4-36 hours, teens that ran off after a fight but will return, the stereotypical “wild child” sneaking out every weekend, actual runaways at increased risk of every crime and suspicious circumstances. Amber Alerts and an MPR have to be initiated for every suspected child abduction. This is a much better way of looking at the number of abductions. There are typically 6-9 filed in each state every year and the majority are “non custodial parental abductions” as opposed to stranger abductions. 99% of kids involved in NCPA are back home safe and sound within hours. Unfortunately several states removed reasonable Amber Alert restrictions that are designed to prevent false reports, panic and unnecessary manhunts that endanger lives. Restrictions: It has to be a known abduction and the child has to be at risk of injury - worse. The removal results in an increase of parents involved in bitter divorces making anger fueled reports of abductions. This was seen when missing kids faces were being put on milk cartons decades ago. Most were back home before the carton with their face on it hit store shelves. They were just spending time with their other parent during a bitter divorce. The 1% of NCPA that do not return quickly are the ones at the most risk. Their patent might have lost custody for good reason or they might be fleeing. Other family members getting kids (grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc) out of homes they are worried about and filing for custody also falls into this category.

[@Chuck_EL]

@@pollysshore2539 stranger danger ia another concept the FBI for years has said that the media needs to stop promoting that because majority of predators personally know The children

[@pollysshore2539]

@@Chuck_EL 100% Research has shown that the majority of crimes against women and children are committed by someone they know for a very long time. Stranger danger became a fixation due to a few truly horrific and tragic cases that shocked everyone. They were also incredibly rare cases but were portrayed as rampant. People made a lot of bad decisions during the 1970s - 1990s. Many had good - sympathetic motives, others not so much, but it all ended up doing more harm than good. I want to cry when I hear parents say they cannot let their kids play in their own yard because strangers will abduct them, and that they do not/cannot trust anyone they know. There is no sense of perspective or proportion. Predators are not hiding behind every bush and your couch. The narrative that everyone wants your child became common place during the 1980s among baby boomers and it always got on one of my nerves when I was a kid. It was a mix of somewhat narcissistic and conspiratorial fantasy, doomsaying and irrational fear. That fear has unfortunately been pushed on multiple generations of children who have grown into terrified parents that still have an obscene amount of panic heaped on them 24-7.

[@jaspersagem9469]

Funnily enough, I was playing Stardew Valley while watching this video; being in a loving queer platonic relationship with Krobus is definitely teaching me to do gun and kidnapping

[@justineberlein5916]

I dunno... *I* was playing Baldur's Gate 3 recently, and my lesbian elf and her girlfriend recently mugged a guy to steal his crossbow. (Wood Elf Ranger Tav, romancing Shadowheart, and while I only knocked him out, instead of killing him, I stole Gandrel's crossbow)

[@AnxiousGary]

Yeah I'm playing it now too, loving the 1.6 update

[@xRaiofSunshine]

Me playing ACNH 😂

[@gabriellebertrand3054]

How did you also immediately assume that Felicity would be most likely to become a cop?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sagathestoryteller7920]

Agreed. It would absolutely by Molly

[@VerbenaComfrey]

Molly or Samantha have the most cop vibe.

[@pollysshore2539]

The pearl clutching over talking smack and foul language in online gaming spaces always makes me chuckle a little. I’ll never forget when the first arcade opened in my town in 1979. We had a few random pinball machines and video games in business but The Mad Packer was a real treat. My older brothers would take me and I would spend hours playing games. There was 24-7 banter in that place but people were face to face and you could see the smirks on faces and understand the spirit of it. My dad took me one time and wanted to leave because the Uni students were cussing around my sweet 4 year old ears. My dad said much worse at home on a regular basis, and I wee already gifted at making 20 year olds blush. “I learned it from watching you!” Of course you had the occasional outburst from a teen that was trying to beat a high score, was almost there and failed. It’s something people do in numerous situations. I think back to the scene in A Christmas Story where the dad goes downstairs to work on the furnace and weaves a tapestry of obscenities that, as far as we all still know, is hanging in space above Lake Michigan. Everyone has been working on something at some point, failed, and lost it. In the overwhelming majority of situations people aren’t breaking stuff (as seen in random videos of young gamers). They have their moment and try again. This has always been depicted as something that is somehow more dangerous and sinister among gamers. It’s not. Of course you have some people that take it to extremes and do target and harass people (which is always uncalled for) but for the most part gamers are just being gamers. I never expect demands to change this part of the culture to go over well, nor do I take them seriously. Get back to me when you start the fight to change the culture of human beings at large. End mechanic culture now! No one is on the clock here. It’s okay.

[@slothmanification]

Not sure if you'll see this, but it's a funny story I think you'd appreciate. My wife was playing Stardew Valley and was not impressed with the bachelors she could choose from so she started dating Leah. She also liked mining so also found it really easy to date Emily as well. I hadn't done a play-through with Emily and she wanted to see all the cut scenes. Eventually she proposes to Leah and they get married. Unfortunately she forgot she unlocked Emily's 10 heart cut scene and needed to collect hardwood for Robin. She spent her wedding night with another woman and couldn't undo it because the day autosaves after the scene. She immediately starts a new save file and vows never to commit adultery again.

[@gooeydude574]

Ever since I played Wario Land, I’ve had the uncontrollable urge to shoulder bash into people and and beat them til they drop gold coins. They told me games make you do horrible things, but I didn’t listen

[@nicholasrodinos4701]

34:37 SVU has tackled the 'violent' video game defense before in the episode 'Game' which aired in 2005, almost a decade before this episode. It skewered the argument and demonstrated that people use video games as excuses, when in reality they're just awful people who jump on a culture war, granted it doesn't meaningfully address the concept.

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

Elliot Stabler left SVU by retiring off screen after season 12, came back occasionally I think, and now he has his own show.

[@cam66eleven66]

Having Kit introduce this video is brilliant. Also the idea of Kit saying "smoking reefer" is double hilarious

[@pinknblackproductions]

"Who was this episode for?" Dick Wolf. Its all just for Dick Wolf

[@coolidgp]

You forgot his "friend and totally not alter ego" Speed Weed, my personal favorite writer on SVU. He wrote the episode where John Stamos tries to impregnate half of Manhattan.

[@PatrickWDunne]

Savy has her own Gamergate sequel

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

gamergate the squeakquel

[@ValiareTheForsaken01]

Oh god, I remember this episode. I was never really a consistent viewer of any Law and Order show, but this episode made me completely drop all of them.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

this episode showed how far the show fell. i went back and watched season 1 and it was such a better show. still cringey in some parts, but a real show nonetheless

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@SAVYWRITESBOOKS Some of the episodes tackled how we deal with male victims hypocritical and how we won't prosecute rich men or male celebrities were really good (especially the highschool football hazing episode) But majority of them are extremely tone deaf , sexist, homophobic, and racist

[@lakegroce685]

When me and my little brother were younger, we shared a copy of Nintendogs. He still played FPS like Halo and COD, but he absolutely loved Nintendogs more than anything. Games were one of the ways we bonded as siblings and as of right now, he’s the only member of my family who uses the correct name and pronouns for me. Edit: Love the bit about Stardew Valley. We stan a poly bisexual queen.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

We stan a supportive sibling

[@williamdixon-gk2sk]

You unlocked a memory of begging my ex to please turn off this episode so we could go to the bar. That ".. Leveled up" line made me FIRST hand embarassed.

[@auggie3522]

I know almost nothing about American Girl Dolls and their individual lore aside from what is sprinkled into Savy's videos. Love that I still immediately knew Felicity was most likely to be a cop. You're doing the Lord's work Savy: making sure everyone can spot cop vibes coming a mile off, even if the vibes are coming from a fictional doll.

[@notoriousblt3085]

I've seen this episode 3 times and I still don't understand why H8er girl is at the game convention with Ice T. Like, did she just want to be supportive of her friend's interests? If so, she's failing miserably.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

I thiiiiink they were there to interview the VR programmer, because he was implied to be involved in a different case from a previous episode. It was really unclear though

[@jac_238]

@@SAVYWRITESBOOKSyeah, the VR guy was a suspect in an episode from earlier in the season that was based on the Slenderman Stabbing

[@guggelguggel7491]

​@@jac_238 oh lord that sounds like a train wreck

[@LangkeeLongkee]

Cause they're friends. He's her partner and he's like a father to her, they hang out outside of work all the time.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

​@@jac_238he wasn't a suspect, they interviewed him cause he was the one who told the girls about "glassgoman".

[@celesteramsay546]

In Stardew Valley if you get to max hearts by dating all the villagers you can trigger some easter egg cut scenes, keep a rabbit's foot in inventory!

[@justineberlein5916]

20:17 Can confirm. It's like how my elf and her girlfriend even went so far as to mug someone in Baldur's Gate 3, just because he had a cool crossbow I wanted. Just ignore all the times I've been choosing the good options, like saving all the teeth-lings at the druids' grove EDIT: Said someone was Gandrel, by the way

[@WolfHreda]

Don't blame you. It's a pretty sweet crossbow.

[@teesh871]

Savvy! Please make that episode of of law and order! *Girl reading a book . Pan out. Another girl approaches her. They kiss. Ice tea watching on the surveillance they set up...* '...this is just a GAME to them!' *sends one of the cops undercover in a blue wig* 'hello fellow lesbians! How bout those...other attractive ladies.'

[@blondshadow9451]

oh god i remember this ep. watched it with my mom and rolled my eyes throughout the whole thing lmao. the "video games will make you violent" shit always irritates me, being a gamer who really doesnt like shooters.

[@Chuck_EL]

It's the satanic scare of the 80s morphed into the Video game scare of the 90s

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

17:00 - I'm just imagining if they did this about the DnD scare instead of video games. It cuts between a cult sacrificing people to Satan and some nerds sitting at a table describing how they attack an innocent shopkeeper.

[@Hazeljv3]

Amanda being "h8er girl" is a particularly weird choice because as recently as *the previous season of the show* a big part of her character was that she was dealing with a serious gambling addiction! So apparently this character understands the appeal of card/dice/other casino games and the dopamine rush that comes with winning a game, but somehow she can't imagine why people like video games??? Like damn, at least Fin's epic gamer hobby doesn't have him getting in trouble with violent bookies and such...

[@Oceanblue_Art_]

Remember to support unions so actually talented writers can prevent this from happening again

[@ThePhantomOtaku]

H8ter Girl just needs to find her genre. She should try a good visual novel first.

[@gooeydude574]

Or a Tetris-type game or Animal Crossing

[@annjay2581]

I didnt expect the "Classically Savvy", I spat wine on my phone 😂

[@neonradius]

The ending being that she chooses to leave because “male violent gamers have already won” makes me so mad because it actively ignores and belittles the COUNTLESS women in the game industries by acting like their efforts are worthless because the industry always be violent and misogynistic and there’s no helping it. Not to mention that the male gamers win?? The entire point of gamergate was to make the games industry “like the good old days” by harassing any women who dare to be women who have opinions and attempting to destroy their careers, and SVU said “yep, they succeeded, they’ve won!”. Just to disclaim, it makes sense if she were a real person (I’m not literally saying if you went through what she went through you’d be wrong to quit), but it’s pretty obvious she’s supposed to serve as a metaphor for how women get treated in games as a whole. And having your female gamer rep get bullied out of games, directly stating gamergate WON, all while Ice T is still allowed to be a gamer because he’s not one of the bad gamers (hashtag not all gamers) is pretty much the best outcome for pro-gamergate gamers.

[@soul_of_a_gamer]

Ah yes #GamerGate and it's goal was harassing women out of gaming... So ten years, zero arrests, a deep investigation by the FBI and multiple police investigations and the only "hard proof" any of you have is accusations without an ounce of physical evidence and the only group who found physical evidence was multiple members of GamerGate who discovered a journalist who had been sending her harassing and threatening messages. They sent her all the evidence and she refused to press charges. You liars have been lying for ten years. Truly you are the most pathetic of all.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

I will add, Law and Order does treat their victims like people in the sense that... Things don't always wrap up with a bow you're not always meant to agree with what the victim does. There were multiple episodes dealing with violence on university campuses for example. In some episodes we had justice, in one of the ones I recently watched the girl was a seggs worker and gave up, she dropped out of school and just decided to work full time because according to her, when she says stop on set at least they do. Victims make a wife range of decisions on this show. And its not like they hang the character out to dry because she's a seggs worker, they respect working girls on the show, in fact SVU cops don't like Vice even. This is why SVU is the only copaganda show I watch, and I can enjoy it. Because a lot of it more of a "shit happens" kinda vibe but they do try to be respectful. They get it wrong sometimes, and I cringe sometimes, and sometimes main characters are wrong and clearly depicted to be that way, but yeah.

[@noahmurphygordon1928]

When degrassi does a better job with online sexual harassment than svu

[@katharineeavan9705]

honestly shows aimed at younger audiences tend to be better with this kind of thing because they 1. have to have some genuine knowledge of children and teens at the very least for market research purposes, and 2. are usually aiming to inform and maybe persuade rather than recruit. A kid's show might say "drugs can be very bad for you physically and lead to you doing things you don't want to do, so don't do drugs", while a show aimed at adults will say things like "if your child ever does any kind of drugs they WILL become criminals and DIE so you should socially isolate your child from kids you think are bad influences and support these initiatives aimed at introducing your child to christ instead so your kids don't become DEVIANTS and DIE" or "if you're kind to an addict you WILL be murdered so you should support policies that criminalise addicts and support cops harrassing homeless people so you don't get MURDERED".

[@Chuck_EL]

35:02 that's exactly Islamophobic Are they really that out of touch?

[@twiggledowntown3564]

Also it was less preachy.

[@IanJAGreen]

I had to pause the video when Savy said “gender is stored in the balls.”

[@guggelguggel7491]

Like, no wonder I aint got gender! I dont have the balls for it!

[@mariadowney9776]

I CACKLED at "foreshadowing is a literary device..."

[@hannahdawg6829]

This episode feels like a parody but it's %100 serious XD Edit: it sounds like a salty boomer who's kids don't talk to them anymore wrote this episode, constantly muttering "kids these days" and blaming college for making their kids hate them

[@urgon6321]

"Ben Shapiro's Die Hard reboot for children" - it would be great, if directed by Tommy Wiseau.

[@amypattie7004]

I imagine that this script had heaps of asterisks with a footnote saying *improvise or *research further or *develop further and the producers took the first draft and said “excellent, we shoot tomorrow”

[@LeoFieTv]

H8er-girl, her name is Amanda, she has a white tattoo of her name on her left crook of her left arm, and I hate that I still know this after not having watched SVU in almost 10 years. I remember this episode, it was right when braids were getting really fashionable, but people hadn't really figured them out yet, so sometimes, like with the victim on this episode, they'd have their ends just stick up and it would look really stupid and as someone with thin hair that won't ever grow enought to actually do crown braids, that hit me personally.

[@LovlyHorror]

Yay! You did decide to review it! I knew this would be a nice palate cleanser after the last one.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

lol thanks hope you enjoy

[@kai_plays_khomus]

I actually had posted a comment sarcastically remarking that fifteen years prior they would have made an episode about the dangers of violent games and video gaming as such because I had the impression the episode would "merely" be sexist af and side with the gamers to pander to the reactionary mob. Turned out the episode was even less coherent and inane than initially anticipated.

[@mttylerdurden9]

Take a shot every time she says "someone was paid to write this." 🤣🤣🤣

[@MikeTButler]

They called out Kotaku by name because Kotaku is portrayed in a neutral light. The videogames are portrayed very negatively, and the social-media sites are depicted as fostering cyber-harassment, and that kind of negative representation would likely elicit some sort of backlash or even legal retaliation from those companies

[@Levyathyn]

"They leveled up." I genuinely think hearing that line in an actual hit, popular television show might kill my imposter syndrome. How can I struggle to accomplish things in life when someone was paid actual money to write that?

[@pinknblackproductions]

"Theyre remaking a violent video game irl" CSI Miami did that in like 2004 lol. And they did a fake GTA game.

[@HyenaDandy]

"You spend all day with a gun in your holster then go home and play shoot-em-up games" Yeah well I mean I hope that he fires significantly fewer bullets in real life, ya?

[@CoffeePleaseThnx]

>Redchanit MY SIDES 😂😂😂

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

LOOK, WE GOT A REDCHANNIT NOOB OVER HERE

[@jeremyusreevu237]

I've heard a ton of people bring up this episode, but I've never seen it covered in full. This should be fun!

[@DespairingDeidre]

Oh the joy of listening to this introduction through cat girl headphones cannot be overstated.

[@bailey6304]

Your stop motion doll skits at the start are always a lot of fun. The news segment was hilarious too. I remember hearing about this episode years ago. I never saw it myself, but it's funny how this episode was cringe to everyone

[@dylnpickl846]

So happy you made this. Also I just love the way you recap stuff. Your descriptions and emphasis when laying out scenes and dialogue hit perfectly. ❤

[@3dartxsi]

I am not convinced the writers of this episode have never played video games. I have the theory that there are some TV writers who are quite tech savvy, but they also are massive trolls, so they go around writing shows with deliberately inaccurate depictions of computers and video games, just to see what TV producers will put on TV unitonically. Like that episode of NCIS with two people "hacking" by typing on the same keyboard.

[@H.P.93]

I am so glad to see the dolls playing a bigger role in your videos and look forward to seeing more of them in the future =) great video!!!

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

i'm excited to make more doll skits

[@zab416]

Officer H8ter Girl's big personal arcs in this era were about her terrible gambling addiction. You think it wouldn't be too big a jump for her to understand people getting into video games, but eh. This is by far the worst episode of SVU I've ever seen. The one where the crunchy anti-vaxxer mom was was wearing a necklace that spelled "Kale" in gold script is also pretty amaziing though.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

Tbf she didn't get into gambling because she liked it.

[@Riviwriter]

22:37 ah yes, “cyber cowboys and Indians”, the digital version of very unproblematically titled playground game. Literally every word of that sentence can be debunked

[@Riviwriter]

I would’ve been about 19 or 20 when this episode released, and no one called it cowboys and Indians even then. It would’ve been more accurate to say “a bunch of adolescent boys playing digital cops and robbers” but uhhhhh yep do we see it do you see it now

[@test-kf2zv]

If you're planning on doing more of these, check out the Castle episode. It was even worse.

[@Neddyhk]

Savy, Cops gotta Cop. Basic human empathy is tested against.

[@rose_and_thorns]

Yeah, I remember watching this one when it was first aired and laughing my face off the whole time. Though it doesn't surprise me coming from Dick Wolf, the absolute genius behind those incredibly sexist airline commercials in the 70s.

[@Chuck_EL]

Its like a bunch out of touch Liberal and Conservative Boomers morphed into one entity and created whatever that episode was trying to do

[@claratalbot7613]

I remember seeing this episode and I could not stop cringy. The randomly dropped gaming lingo, acting like games makes people violent, making the implication that people who play games can't tell reality from fiction, & ending the episode where it basically tells woman they have zero place in the industry because they may get harrassed or assulted just ends up doing the gaming industry & woman in the industry dirty. Harrassment in the workplace or in general is never okay & I feel like this SVU epside justfies that harassment while making a hobby look like it encourages violence particularly towards woman who already face enough hardship being taken seriously in certain industries

[@rept7]

I suspect the reference to Sony has something to do with when their servers got hacked/DDOSed, which happened around the PS3 era because of... I think dropping Linux support on the console? It probably made headline news at the time, but wasn't looked into further so the writers thought it was something similar.

[@coolidgp]

"and our friend Speed Weed" Now there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time.

[@JadeReloaded]

I got the same vibes as when I saw that D&D movie with Tom Hanks where he thought he was his in-game character, and that was... thirty (?) years ago at least.

[@heywoodjablome5380]

40 years ago by now

[@AlwaysAmTired]

I love SVU for all the worst reasons, especially when the writers take on real events. I remember this ridiculous episode. Great video!

[@Chuck_EL]

Amanda Rollins being hostile is hypocritical when she constantly gets offended at anyone rightfully judging her for being a addict to the point she transfered from another law enforcement facility

[@ellenloobey4211]

Is that Tobuscus? Tobuscus and one of the Pauls? Man, they really know gamers. /s

[@ElfInTheFlowers]

Savy, you infuse your videos with so much love, quality and time! Stop motion is not to be scoffed at! I am watching this after your last community post, sending well wishes and to take your time with your own life.

[@nanopanda]

Imma be real. The most butt clenchingly cringe part was not even logan paul.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

he was barely a symptom of the problem as a whole

[@hope1575]

I don't care, the line "like trying to find a geek in a geekstack" is hilarious to me 😂. It's just so stupidly silly

[@thelastholdout]

This episode is about as clueless about technology as the infamous NCIS "two people type faster than one to beat a hacker" episode.

[@leileyaravencroft]

You know it's a bad episode when an almost 80 year old Southern black woman says it's full of crap. And my grandma liked SVU. Well up until Christopher Meloni left. Then not so much. Edit: 13:21 - Which is hilarious if you've watched as much SVU as I have. There was ONE other episode done that featured video games. If I remember correctly, in that episode Ice T did mention he played a lot of FPS games but not so much RPG which was the focus in this episode. At that time, it was actually not male gamers are bad... and it was the Captain of the earlier seasons that turned out to be VERY good at the RPG. I cannot remember the name of the game, but a boy names Glen who was found with the d3ad body of one of his foster sisters in an abandoned building. The RPG was his escape (he was actually a sad foster case. Suffering from the bad things you hear about som foster homes). The Captain and Dr. Wong figured out that Glen did not hurt the little girl but due to his mental capacity and his love of this one game, thought if he did what the hero did in the game, the little girl would be right as rain. So they WERE capable of doing a decent story that involved video games but during those seasons of SVU, it was more about portraying a certain narrative than telling a good/okay story. And yes, as a gamer this episode made me so angry.

[@SecretAgentNein]

Dr. Huang was always the MVP in my eyes.

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

Law and order: professional victims unit. Seriously though the copaganda that is rampant on TV would be hysterical if it weren't for the actual, literal policies that get implemented because of it that gets thousands of innocent people convicted for absolute nonsense and millions convicted for non violent offenses to be sent into for profit prison industrial complex. Words cannot describe how much I hate fictional cop shows and all the damages they inflict on everyone.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

This particular show doesn't support anything you mentioned actually. The only time they really mention drugs is because they were trying to hold someone who DID so something violent, but they were gathering evidence. The SVU cops directly coppice vice, ice, they don't care for narcotics much either. In fact they sent a detective over there as a reassignment cause the SA stuff was getting to him and whenever they had to interview working girls or people who used substances he was also very gentle and understanding with them, the captain thought they could use his compassion.

[@epicgam2317]

So what I’m hearing is that madam Webb is fantastic if you’re high as balls. Good to know.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

exactly

[@DavidRycan]

TIL Speed Weed is an actual name someone actually named themselves

[@Dradeeus]

'Actually recoil's the same'... as a videogame? Wtf does that mean...?

[@princeOpalite3650]

"Gender roles are in our dna" Transgender/nonbinary people: are you sure about that.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

😂

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

There was a good wife episode where alicia, the main character looked like she was on a live stream with her interviewers, but in reality, she had nothing in front of her to see. No screen, just a camera man. I wonder if it was something like that. But if it was like a zoom call, that is weird that he did not see anything.

[@mathieuleader8601]

Digimon would be a good show to tackle Gamergate

[@chaindragon886]

Please never stop making the horrifying yet hilarious doll skits. They both disturb and entertain in equal measure.

[@lizabey]

I'm still so proud of my beloved Molly for her acting career. < 3