Lawbringer Makes Me Sad [For Honor]

[@xenosayain1506]

He's a relic of For Honor's good days. When each character had unique attacks and playstyles to add flare and gameplay diversity. With most heroes now having the same attacks and enhanced swings on almost everything but startup. It shows what the game was like when moves were more deliberate and calculated. The only real downside to him was the core 50/50 combo being so easily spammable.

[@GreatHornedCynic]

I couldn't have put it better myself.

[@xKnightAFx]

I remember when he had shove on block. What a time

[@somegalthing8399]

Hyper armor shove was the golden age

[@recap1843]

Tbf even when FH launched law bro still wasn't that good a pick. Being a hybrid of heavy and vanguard his competition for S1 was characters like Warden, Conqueror, Kensei, Shugoki, Raider, (and I think warlord was S1?). Most of these besides our Viking friends had desirable versatile, or at least straight forward easy to use kits. Old LB had one thing going for it which was push on block but his combos were god awful, he didn't have any soft feints, hyper armor, and all of his attacks besides his top light were reactable. While I will say salt bringer is in a better state now than launch... Everyone else has had much more success in the buff department than him. The new characters are also very strong as well. LB needs a new rework and when I say rework I mean they really need to rethink his entire design. Being focused off of parries is not a gameplay style in this game. Everyone goes for parries, hell even when assassins had reflect guard almost all of them had a deflect which acted as a parry, or a dodge attack, or quick bash that was a guaranteed combo or what not (and it still wasn't impossible to parry with a reflex guard.) But yeah most heroes are looking to heavy or light parry to get some of there max punishes off, so for LB that means he's just doing what everyone else is doing but worse.

[@AdamoRothward]

About the hyper armor... hitokiri is in literal street clothes that provide 0 protection, and yet she has the most hyper armor

[@LeGabrielMan]

Berserker and Hitokiri go hand in hand

[@InsaneXaNetheBRAINIAC]

Insteadve armor based, hyper armor is (hence the hyper part of the name) more based off momentum

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

Muh realism

[@cassidy4451]

I've always seen it as that she's literally possessed or something so just doesn't feel/care about the damage, so just keeps swinging

[@ChuckFinelyForever]

Man is wearing fucking gym shorts and a tank top

[@samhampton6771]

You can say it’s a skill issue that you can’t light parry and therefore struggle with him. You can also say that if you can light parry consistently every hero is good. You can also say that if you can light parry well enough to make lawbringer effective you could probably do even better with another hero that has a few openers that you wouldn’t feint in 90% of cases. Ultimately you arrive at the inevitable conclusion that he is underpowered and needs some love.

[@morte2504]

The biggest crime is how hyped up his recent rework was only to come out as a nerf

[@samhampton6771]

Plays exactly the same just can’t blind anyone anymore. Yay.

[@recap1843]

@@samhampton6771 Honestly would have preferred if he had more moved that played off of that. Salt bro is classified as a counter attacker and disabler yet now he only has two moves that really "disable" maybe three if you count the charge. All of which are pretty hard to land. He also lost his push which had hyper on block which while pretty strong only would get you a free light in return if you weren't dodged.

[@oxydoxxo]

The ol' ubi one two

[@junkyporpoise4254]

Lawbringer being one of the weaker hereos does suck, but at the same time, it makes me respect the hell out of good lawbringer players, they don't need to rely on crutch properties.

[@pepsiman4418]

Sorry this is a month late but so, is it true? Lawbringer is the most honest character in the entire game?? :0

[@americanmig160]

@@Delphic_Wendigoconq is easy asl to play fym 😭

[@GeistDrachen]

Hearing what you said about Lawbringer here reminds me of another (former) For Honor youtuber named Jackal Wolfenheart who had a very entertaining series called Everyday Life with LOLbringer. Dude would sometimes get good gameplay, but more often than not he would have some of the shittiest luck ever when he played Lawbringer.

[@baileymarsden1053]

Jackal shall be missed, the main reason I played cent again

[@GeistDrachen]

@@baileymarsden1053 Same. I got into Centurion because of him, and I really loved a lot of his funny moments and times when he has some of the absolute worst luck ever.

[@bluven508blaze3]

Since day 1 of For Honor's life time, Lawbringer has been my favorite knight character, He was my first main before i branched out a few years later, his line is iconic, his weapon is the best one i've ever seen, but after witnessing every hero getting reworked and nerf left and right, I just see Lawbringer as an old relic, who's desperately trying his hardest to even catch up, i wish my boy does get some love, he among every other character needs it rn

[@springbiscuits3049]

The best way to describe Law bringer in my opinion, especially in the state he's in right now, is like amputating an arm then putting a Barney band aid on the other arm. His identity is not the same as it once was and he becomes less imposing or powerful the more new/reworked characters get added.

[@Mr_Yoshi43]

As a lawbringer main i can say that he is difficult to play but its so satisfying winning with him

[@TechGurl12]

Let's hope lawbringer gets more love and better hyper armor

[@ChuckFinelyForever]

It’s been like 8 years, at this point just give up

[@arkhamasylum8972]

I know this comment is a bit outdated, but still, His hyper armor is great. Combined with his hit boxes and unblockables, it makes him dangerous in team fights. His parry zone has hyperarmor and is unblockable. He has just as much hyperarmor as Raider. He just uses it differently.

[@Slipydipboi]

I’ve played law since I picked this game up, it makes me sad to see where he’s at now

[@PFPRoco]

I'm still crossing my fingers that they put him back in the TG this upcoming season. The poor guy needs it

[@Thighabetes]

They did acknowledge he needs a rework recently

[@SmokeCreen_-]

Lawbringer: Admortan inomigosa Berserker(THE ASSASIN): Laughs in hyperarmor superiority*

[@zeebeeplayz]

Who would win: A fully armored person with a giant halberd, or a half naked assassin with 2 small axes.

[@SmokeCreen_-]

I know it's more than a button press to change but why does Berserker still have hyperarmor? Defies all concepts of physics.

[@somegalthing8399]

AD MORTEM INIMICUS!!!!

[@simonjameskenway6933]

Ad mortem inimicus* Its latin, not an alien language 😅

[@recap1843]

@@SmokeCreen_- TBF the lore of a berserker makes sense for having copious amounts of hyper armor (man is high af on shrooms) but the fact the heaviest armored tank of a man (I think he's easily standing at two meters tall) only semi recently got hyper on his second heavy? Insane. Also most of LBs attacks have next to no reach... Despite that being a key thing polearm heroes are supposed to have.

[@TheLostPrimarch2nd]

It's an example of generational differences in For Honor heroes. I had this discussion with a friend, althout more centered around Warden. His animation update is cool and all (still think his animations are a bit weird), but to me he is still shit. Now, I am not saying you can't be good with him. People that main warden are absolute menaces and will annihilate you, but the amount of practice and training it takes to be effective with Warden against, for example, assasins like Gladiator or Pirate or any quick hero, is much higher than what you have to do with my other main, Black Prior. Prior has many tools. He can close, pursuit, say "fuck you" to any attack if you time well, bash in area, undogable heavy, counters on opening lights, and a shield charge thats great and tends to catch people unprepared. He also drains stamina very well with his mid-combo bashes with his shield. No matter the enemy hero, I have tools to tear them apart. But with Warden..... He lacks most tools, and he had three or four tricks, than when mastered to very high levels, make unstoppable... But for the rest of us mortals, is not enough. To deal with Dogging heroes, Prior has tools that are quick to sue and effective. But Warden, you need to relay in good feint, parrys (BECAUSE NOW FUCKING EVERYONE GETA A DOGE-STRIKE, SO YOU CAN'T JUST GRAB PEOPLE) or yet another doge to get a hit in (looking at you, gladiator, and your doge-unblockable bash). The difference is substantial, from several useful but quick answers, to timing four different manouvers into a blow. It's just a diffenre level. You can be awesome with both.... But one you need to be in the 10% best to be unstoppable... And the other in the 1% best to do the same..

[@CrustyCheapster]

Warden’s recent touchups have still left him in a rough spot in fours, yes, but his kit makes for a strong duels character while encouraging good habits for the player (stamina management, active mixups, etc.). He’s simple to use and a solid longterm pick, even if his fours performance is subpar. Lawbringer just has issues right now. His touchups have made him more viable in fours almost purely for his hyper armor (and honestly some have said the rework made him worse in fours), and the fact that a lot of his damage comes from light parries can teach poor habits (parry on red, for instance). His impale is also a travesty, as it’s only confirmed on light parry, has no hyper armor for fours viability, and yet does less damage than his top heavy parry punish while being a lot slower. Warden has duels but no fours, while Lawbringer doesn’t really have either. Also, tip: Against Glads who dodge-bash spam, bait it out, dodge the bash, and get a free gb.

[@TheLostPrimarch2nd]

@@CrustyCheapster Thanks for the tip, I know to do it, it's just hard in 4 v 4. And I agree that Lawbro is bad right now, not discussing that. I was just stating the difference in heroes now, from heroes before. The a sued amount of thungs new guys get and what little old boys have, and hot to match up, you need a much higher skill level.

[@recap1843]

I agree. So many people have dodge attacks nowadays it's crazy and for classes like Warden or LB there are little ways to deal with them besides getting good at reads (which doesn't help considering a lot of dodge heroes also have a way to punish you for attempting to read a dodge attack like a bash/stance/delay/soft feint/command grab)

[@connorbannister9669]

As a lad who has loved him since the very start he us just sad

[@miimiibeschde4818]

Who do you think Has more hyperarmour? A 200 cm tall knight with thick armour? A 170cm tall half naked guy who's an assasin?

[@arkhamasylum8972]

So? They both have good hyperarmor. Are you implying that it should be removed on zerker when that's what his character identity is based around? He's a berserker, and historically, they were known for fighting in a trance state where they ignored pain when they attacked. Lawbringer has just as much hyperarmor as Raider and even more unblockables. His hyperarmor is fine.

[@BuffLawbro]

I have 70 reps in lawbringer and it sucks because I just can’t play him anymore. Without his blind and impale he has no method of applying consistent pressure, and now if you don’t parry (almost) everything your opponent throws you just lose. He was my most picked character before his “rework” (he still doesn’t have a roll catcher/chase tool, and has limited combos that limit his potential (like how he can only follow up a neutral light with a heavy) and they scrapped his feintable mid chain bash that would have been a very large part of his pressure and the one he has is super reactable and will almost never land) but now I don’t even try to play him anymore. Sorry for the rant, but I really hate how bad lawbringer sits in the game right now because he’s always been my main and my favorite hero. Thanks for the vid Raven ❤

[@O_Naitis]

I’ve been saying that forever. It’s like salt in the wound when I’m getting beat by a viking cuz they get hyper whenever they move while wearing the equivalent of a window curtains but my armored warden covered in steel always gets stopped in his tracks cuz he got flicked on the nose like a dog or something

[@sirbeanie08]

I agree entirely with this. I repped up Lawbringer to about rep 5 pre-rework then took a break to max out warmonger, but after they dropped the rework it was just pain compared to what I knew.

[@bigbobyboi]

Only reason I started For Honor was because of Law, idk who to play now...

[@BobbyHouse]

as a Lawbringer Player myself, I can respect your opinion

[@SomeWeirdNinjaToon]

Lawbringer is personally a character that I never resonnated with. He is awesome looking, his weapon is one of the coolest and he is just imposing. But I always felt that his gameplay wasn't something that resonated with me. I do hope that lawbringer gets a good change that push him up a little and helps with his kit. Also, "skill issue" X) (Just for the meme, you fight great with lawbringer)

[@lukascreech3229]

Honestly, this is why I felt myself wanting to figure out gamedev, farfetched without a doubt but I wanna see For Honor's formula get the respect it deserves.

[@ulfberht4431]

Lawbringer was my main too for a very long time. And my reasons to main him were the same as yours. Got him up to rep 20. Now unfortunately Lawbro is relegated to just being mid because of his nerfed playstyle and the simple fact that other characters are cooler than him. He use to be the most overpowered hero of the knights but now he’s the second weakest, the first is Conq.

[@Alex5000148]

I picked Lawbringer as my fav when I started playing. My friend told me pick someone else, because this character was hard to play. And it was, but I insisted. After some time I decided to play another character. I picked Barbarian and got twice as many kills by button mashing. Such a shame...

[@LuxTheFolf]

Tbh I wouldn't worry about people who's whole argument in games is "Skill issue" or "Just get better", as that means that either they have spent wayyyyyy too much time in the game and have forgot that it's just a game and that you don't have to be the best to have fun, or they literally have nothing else that could benefit you or others in such conversations, hell I saw a recent youtube video and the guy literally said, "get a PC so you have more frames and get better at the game" and it was a tutorial on how to light parry better, like ok? How does any of that help people? They are just clowns and you gotta just ignore them, and honestly it has always annoyed me that the half naked Raider and the cloth clothed Hitokiri has hyper armour and the 7tf tall guy who has full plate armour on has no such thing, like I get it you want a balanced game but when the hyper armour also includes not being able to be gard broken as well just from spamming heavy and all Lawbringer can do is shove and light attack (Which are both also very slow and the bash doesn't even have hyper armour), then your game isn't very balanced yet hito can from 500-400 ms heavy attacks when lawbringer has 700 ms heavy's and only 400ms lights. There is a lot of imbalance within this game and no one at Ubisoft is willing to change it, so unfortunately we just have to put up with it, and for those screaming about realism within their "fantasy" game that's fine, but the game really needs to chose which one it want's to be, does it want historically based warriors or do they want magic and attacks that can go through an enemy's guard, I just hope that they move more to one or the other and not keep it within this stale middle ground-

[@dawudman1875]

i fw with this video so much. he used to be my main but i cant look at him anymore

[@APureCatholicState2438]

I had Lawbringer Rep70 on Playstation and 10 on PC but after hes "Rework" i stopped playing him. Its too much pain

[@Kyrious]

He once had a hyper armor bash. But apparently most of the community thought that was op. Which is funny because later we got characters like hirokiri and shugos (rework)

[@ravensiege3045]

Raven your great at this game I’ve played with you only twice but in my opinion you’re great and I love your videos

[@SHmoogleThe1st]

Lawbringer was my first character in the game and I fell in love with him ever since, but I reached rep 22 about 2~3 years ago and haven't played him since because taking him to combat nowadays feels like I'm punishing myself with how little options I have. Like you said, not everyone have insane reactions to parry lights or block everything, of course I'm going to use the other heroes who have more tools and are more fun. I really hope he gets a few buffs or another rework

[@casey6468]

I also used to love lawbringers but I have lost interest in them but I’m trying to get back into them

[@dummynoir565]

in the time before the lb rework came out i actually loved the "goofy" looking shove animation. it felt unique and actually flowing into other moves

[@PorridgeJohnny]

Lawbringer was my main since day one, and I stopped playing a while back. I came back to see they massacred my boy

[@Hu_Tao392]

Tip for playing lawbringer after getting a light instead of getting the ripost after the heavy, throw a light to the left or right. It isn’t guaranteed but deals one less damage than the ripost and if your opponent tries to dodge it they’ll be hit with 12 or 13 damage and you can can continue your chain. However your opponent can still parry the left or right light.

[@rossdaley5829]

being able to feint longarm could help, but i def agree with needing more hyper armour on lb

[@Wanderer-nw2so]

I always love lawbringer for his style and his Really unique play style, playing him taught me how to parry when I was starting out. And he had so much utility even if it wasn't obvious at first, One of my favorites is wasting opponent revenge by parrying them and And running them around with the impale punish which surprisingly wastes a lot of their revenge time, so it is very useful, especially in breaking for the last opponent who refuses to die. But now after his "rework" he just doesn't feel like he can fight anymore. They nerfed his offense and his defense because people complained about impale even though you could get out of it by fainting attacks. But the way I would've done his rework, is by doing four things. Make his zone attack chainable and undodgeable, give his chain and finisher heavys hyper armor to help him trade in a gank, hyper armor on longarm to make it a high risk high reward attack that would grant a free heavy if executed effectively, have his forward top heavy turn into an impale if the opponent rolls for a roll catcher, and finally and most important of all give him a soft faint unreactable bash with hyper armor from opener side heavies and hyper armored long arm soft feint from top opener heavy to force opponents to make a read instead of sitting there. These changes to his moves would make lawbringer able to force his opponents to make reads to help his defensive game even more and to break through any turtling players as well. And one more thing, I would probably make his long arm reach to people who dodge backwards from the attack to catch them more easily and so that they actually have to dodge to the sides and can't option select.

[@acutegynast3326]

i agree with raven on this. Lawbringner is so freaking cool.

[@fin9281]

I think the best thing they could do is change the functionality of the core gameplay to create change between each character. For honor 2 is my dream

[@Zarithyeen]

Ya know what makes me happy? Unicorn lawbringer I been dominating with him

[@threetrees5888]

Same here raven….. same here

[@shrednaught5]

he needs a light light heavy chain, and it doesn't even have to be unblockable, jus give it hyper armor or maybe even mix it up and make it undodgeable or sumn

[@fuentes196]

Funny, I thought he's famous line was "Daubeny, Show Yourself!"

[@jacksonrocks895]

It’s sad they have a heavy armored knight being with perhaps the most versitile weapon being a halbard or polearm depending on the weapon you make it into - having good range and potential and he is reliant solely on high skill or out of stam punishes unlike a vast majority of the roster which doesn’t have the same issue and as a law bringer main since release I have to say it’s disappointing how when they did put him in a testing grounds it wasn’t a rework of his moveset but if his features overall including stam dam, accessibility, and hyper armor focusing those instead of how I see it his moveset which should be completely overhauled and revamped to match a different playstyle since as it stands his playstyle is the issue to why he can’t have the things we want - idk let me know what you folk think

[@atlasmilitaunit621]

I would argue that most knight characters should have the most hyper armor out of all of the other factions especially the Vikings just based on the fact that most of them wear a combination of plate and chainmail armor (Law bringer being the prime example). But in Ubisoft's mind. a short man with two axes wearing cloth has more hyper armor than a literal tank with arguably the best weapon of the medieval era. I also think that Law bringer and Griffon should have greater reach than most knight hero's as well because both of them have the only pole arms in the knight faction and the main benefit of using pole arms was to keep your enemies at a distance to where you can hit them, but they can't hit you.

[@arkhamasylum8972]

Literally, none of that has anything to do with gameplay or kit effectiveness. The only reason a character really should get hyperarmor is if their kit needs it and would make them a better hero. That's why Raider and now lawbringer got it after they were released in year 1. I could argue that vikings should have the most hyperarmor because they, on average, are larger than the knights and use heavier weapons. Again, the real reason a character should get hyperarmor is for kit effectiveness. Not looks. For example, if you said that Conqueror should replace his infinite unblockable heavies with infinite hyperarmor heavies instead because it would be more balanced, make him more versatile, fit better with the concept of his kit, and would work better with his current feat options than the infinite unblockables, I would probably agree and THAT would be a reason to give Conq more hyperarmor. Not just because he's a knight.

[@darthgonk5648]

Lb needs some new movesets some maybe 2 with the long-arm opener/ combo. Ubisoft needs to treat him like the legally distinct space marine he is.

[@arkhamasylum8972]

Long arm is a ganking tool like Shugoki's hug and Medjay's staff bash. That's its purpose. It doesn't need to be a feintable bash, and imo, shouldn't be. Maybe long arm could be speed up slightly and be able to be used mid chain if you pull back and press bash to better match Medjay's staff bash, but all of that is not needed and it still works fine as a ganking tool.

[@Moondog-ht8ph]

Feel the same

[@rage_tv4493]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE GOT BUFFS BOIS

[@Pistolpredator]

Hey raven can you make a how to build ezrio video it be awesome

[@samuelsteele9610]

Hyper armor zone and second heavy hyper armor are limited to base hyper armor for the most armored character in the game yes. But when you look at hyper armor characters, like you said, you look at the Vikings. My buddy and I have a theory about how the less armor you have the more hyper armor you obtain in for honor lore. Although this theory is very inconsistent with only a few cases proving true. I also personally believe that light parries should be considered as a reward for good skill and focus but it should not be required for a character to thrive. Imma rep 70 lawbringer and i feel the pain, personally think long arm should have hyper armor.

[@guyperson7487]

I wish gear wasn’t randomized damn it. Thousands of steel and 15 packs and I have gotten ONE of the new armors this season Plus I don’t know why law doesn’t have heavy hyper armor, it’s ridiculous. Raider has 5 options for every single heavy AND they’re hyper armor and law has one with hyper armor and literally only one direction that’s unblockable and can soft feint Plus it doesn’t help that they nerfed him with his “rework”. His inpale was a go to and now it’s basically useless unless it’s specifically used to ledge someone

[@BLUESTEELBOY1]

I agree his rework needs a rework to be more like goki or raider his heavy heavy heavy combo would be brilliant with more hyper armour and tracking his damage is a bit lack luster as well I been thinking to myself on multiple occasions this is a halberd/poleaxe why is the damage like this coz atm the the damage he does doesn't feel right with his weapon it the sorta damage I expect warden or warmonger to me capable of imo his damage should be similar if not more then goki's something like this heavy heavy heavy (side) 24-27-30 (top) 26-29-32 light heavy light (side) 12-25-13 (top) 12-29-13 Everything else about lb can remain the same front and side dodge bash hyper armour on second heavy Just need to add some to the first, heavy after longarm makes sense, just get rid of the guaranteed light on the same side it's not needed very weird and doesn't fit with lb (the reason I've set the damage numbers the way they are is based on his damage before his "rework" his damage used to be (heavy heavy heavy btw) 24-27-30 on all sides I thought that was fair because its usually blocked the only difference is my interpretation of his top heavy's 26-29-32 because they are very difficult to pull off anyway (unless tou throw someone while they're out of stam) the damage should reflect that and if you get the your oos and throw it's in my opinion that the two top heavies should be finishers not the plush toys they feel like now.

[@Ray_diant]

He should just get way more hyperarmor and still have high damage output while being balanced. I don't know how that would work, just saying that it would be very cool imo

[@roykiefer-tr1dr]

They've done so much damage to him since after the rework he feels not so fun to use most of the time. The only good changes were the hyper armor but that only applies to one heavy. He's very armored up and one of the coolest looking too. Ubi needs another rework on him or revert most of the changes back.

[@GankScythe]

i feel like vikings shoulda had acceptional stamina, knights get hyper armor oriented cast (how vikings are now sorta), and Samurai would be a jack of trades ig?

[@NetherTaker]

I miss when impale was guaranteed on heavy parry. It was balanced imo since it was conditional on being near a wall. We have other characters with the same kind of punish. Like how come Warmonger gets to do heavy-level damage on on a heavy parry but they took it from LB?

[@recap1843]

Agreed, if you're going to have your main gimmick with the hero be a counter fighter type. Then give him various options to ya know... Counter attacks?

[@labodge7322]

I still stand that they should have build upon thé old lb kept his tools kit and add the new for i agree with everything you said i main lb and i miss thé respectfull fear hé used to impose

[@CranesMakeGains]

Give him some dodge attacks and better chain combos and he’d be set

[@rainb0wmatrix605]

Not the only thing I’m thinking of but he needs a soft feint heavy into bash 90% of the time my second heavy always gets parried

[@somegalthing8399]

bring back hyper armor on shove!

[@Techno_Bunny433]

I miss when he had viable parry options outside of light parries. On heavy You could blind light for pressure, zone if you were crowded or impale for the chance to get high damage if you hit a wall. I will never understand why they couldn't nerf the fuck out of impales range or make it do more damage on the actual impales stab and only let it guarantee a light (so it wouldn't be as oppressive with his chain pressure), or just have it do decent damage and end his chain like warmonger. Impale is about as situational as long arm now, I don't get why the dev's think having a characters moves be redundant half the time is good game design

[@Sardaukar_7]

Great job on the video, Raven! By the way, have you checked out Havok's latest upload about Highlander named John? 😅

[@RavenKnightYT]

Yes, I have. Haha. I've already received requests from a few fans to react to it.

[@pdthepowerdragon5412]

I think Lawbringer is actually fairly strong/average. I think he primarily suffers from no roll catchers but beyond that he’s got a really strong kit.

[@pdthepowerdragon5412]

Like the hyper armor thing (I’m a Lawbringer main by the by) he has a hyper armor zone punish from a parry, you can whiff light and if someone is dodge attacking or some such you can then hit through them with your hyper armor.

[@recap1843]

I personally disagree (former warden turned LB main. Been playing since launch). While I agree his semi recent-ish rework does have him in a healthier space since launch. There just isn't enough to his kit to justify his horrible neutral game. His lights are easily redactable to blocking, heavies are even more painfully slow basically requiring you to feint or your enemy failing a read or parry horribly and bashes leave you vulnerable to GB or any type of dodge or quicker bash. Sure you can try the combo bash... but it's still slower than a forward dodge bash and you can be hit out of it. He relies on being able to read and parry lights or GB to preform any proper punish, and unless you can see a stage hazard in sight using long arm, push, or impale is useless since you have a slight wall damage debuff. He's a character who relies on passivity in a game that rewards aggression, mix ups, and using your kit to it's full potential. All that LB has to make up for it is ok-ish damage on a light parry punish and a heavies health pool besides being a hybrid. which is a measly 10 to 20 pts depending on the match up. He has no good opener, no dedicated defense tools (besides his two new hyper armor attacks) nor mobility/chase down moves. The best things I believe came to his kit was the hyper armor and soft feint on his top heavy finisher. I will say that Salt Bringer can shine in a team fight with bashes, long arm, impale charge, and zone. But in 1v1 or 1v many he comes up very short and how characters are being added and reworked now this shouldn't be an option for anyone. LB should be viable in these options and while you can still certainly play with him, law bro needs a touch up to being the main target in a fight. He's a tank with a reach weapon, but he can neither tank, nor do his attacks demand the attention of his foes. I'd be fine if they wanted to make his options and combos suck but if that's the case his damage should be tweaked to be so if he does hit you it's practically game over. Or better yet they rework his whole concept to work better with a more modern for honor.

[@jadensomerville2883]

Do kensei next

[@Spaceman67]

I’m not going to lie I honestly preferred the last rework of lawbringer to the current one. But that’s just me. The older made me feel a lot more powerful when I get parries in general(I play console) now I feel like I barely do enough damage at times. Their are plenty of ways you could help lawbringer. But think the devs are unsure how or what to change. I’ve always thought of just giving him his hyper armor back on shove or hell even his shove back to neutral would be a fucking god send. Hell why not make his unblockables soft feintable. Shit make the long arm feintable 😂. At least then casuals like myself can use it as a mix up. I honestly think they just don’t know what to do because they don’t want to do because he is completely different from every other character in the game. Most of the knights in my opinion take the most skill to play for some fucking reason. Vikings have hyper armor on almost everyone. Then you got shaman who is fucking terrifying if you can’t read them. Valk has always been a weird character but it works for her. Her lights and sweep are pure gold if you can use it. Don’t get me started on her deflects. Jorm has always been an interesting character but even this current version of him is good. And we’re not going to talk about breach commander. The samurai have some of the most hated characters in the game. A cockroach, hyper lights, a fat man that breaks your back, a man who can literally end chains by flipping down on his joystick, a all guard spammer, and a hyper armor abuser, don’t get me started on nobu or shino. Then you got the wu lin. #WENEEDNEW WULIN. You got a man who is very clean with his movements, one who has more offense and defense then most characters. A girl who LITERALLY COUNTERS LAWBRINGER. A MF WITH A UNBLOCKABLE LIGHT. And JJ who dodges more then shino. The outlanders are just…shit works. Medjay zone it out, ocelot is something for damn sure, pirate is just good for the sake of being good, and affrea is just shino with better attacks off her kicks and CC and multiple different heavy. I’m not saying it doesn’t take skill to play these people. I’m saying it’s easier besides Nuxia and maybe maybe Tandi if you aren’t good with the flow.

[@Iwantorochidead]

I think ubi just doesn’t realize what a 3 hit light chain would do for this guy

[@thediamondcutter9185]

Fact is: he had to be nerfed because lack of openers aside, he was too damn strong and fighting him was mostly a staring contest. The problem is that they almost forgot how the dude actually needed something to compensate his nerf. As now in 2024, unless you were a LB main in the past, there's no point into playing him. There's no point even in learning him ffs. Like i said, he deserved a nerf but they didn't add anything to counterbalance it.

[@draexianknight6669]

When they made his impale from parry only guaranteed on a light parry instead of heavy, it's probably just me but that was a very L move from the devs.

[@Zero-tk1hb]

You are not wrong not even by balancing aspects. Lawbringer needs more, the last rework would have been good if they didn't removed so much of his utility options. He is a big guy with a very versatily weapon, he needs a rework tha adresses that. He needs hyper armor but he needs more options too, a move to chase people, maybe make use of each individual part of his weapon like afera. One move to pin, other to displace and other to do real dammage or hit in a wide area. He needs a focused rework. The parry punish is part of his personality but only focusing on that makes for a very boring character. He needs either a big change or other tools to make what he already has work.

[@fernandoalvarez5844]

What’s hyper armor?

[@longarmclearlyisop7454]

As a lawbringer main his rework is so half assed and terrible he has awful damage and his parries have been heavily butchered.

[@cancerconnoisseur]

Lawbringer feels like shit right now

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

Raven, please don't call reactions skill... the fh community needs to LOSE THIS minset... reactions don't equal skill

[@Heavens_ransom]

Hey raven what console do you play on

[@Heavens_ransom]

Nevermind I’m high you’re on PlayStation lol

[@Blackstonelegion]

Lawbringer needs a REAL Rework. You cant just slap Hyperarmor on his 2nd heavy and slightly tweek Damage and call it a Rework. At most it is a Minor Buff. Warden got more of a Rework than Lawbringer did honestly.

[@ChuckFinelyForever]

There is no reason a Zerk should have infinite HA and Law has it on like two moves. All that armor for no reason

[@laurtevirus]

t shirt hyper armor or full set of armor with little hyper armor. the devs are lost themselves 😂

[@rage_tv4493]

it’s absolutely not a skill issue he is very weak. now it’s not just a simple “oh he’s terrible give him buffs” it’s he has good match ups and terrible matchups. i feel like the fact he has good matchups is why he hasn’t been buffed yet. he’s great against dodge attacking characters ike orochi. (i love shitting on orochis) but his bad matchups are so bad it feels impossible to win like against a half decent cent or shinobi. they throw out a lot of unblockables which aren’t parriable. if they could buff him so his matchups become more even i would love to see that.

[@billyray6210]

visually beautiful but mechanically ugly as fuck. i love and i hate this hero

[@LeGabrielMan]

The reason why lawbringer is bad is because of his low damage and needing a little skill to play.

[@YEYE2313]

Hey Raven Knight, i understand what you are saying, but the thing is not every character going to be perfect they're going to have flaws

[@RavenKnightYT]

....And when a character has too many flaws?

[@BorisVolchenkov]

So, there’s a balance?

[@recap1843]

Yeah sure every character has flaws, that's just a given. But there should also be a standard to how characters play. As of now Law Bro has to many weaknesses. It's akin to picking a joke/handicap character in another fighting game. In comparison a majority of the cast is overkitted with various offensive and defensive tools while LB gets... Pretty much nothing. The only time he can kinda shine is in a team fight in which he isn't the main target because tools like impaling charge, long arm, and bash become much more of a threat. But in ones and one v many he has very little to actually do. Forced into either heavy finisher 50/50 or zone parry punishes. Hell even calling the heavy finisher soft feint a 50/50 is a bit of a lie considering the amount of people with a dodge attack it turns the finisher more into a 33% chance of success if the LB can parry.

[@guster4523]

LB fkn sucks for 3 reasons. First is that he has no fkn rollcatcher. Second is bad dmg on GBs. Third is no light,light chain