Lawncare Nut Debunked!

[@horrorbiz72]

Sounds like someone wants to ride some coat tails and is unhappy. 😂

[@MiMi-vb8lg]

Sees like a lot of knit picking to me. Allyn hasn't steered me wrong yet! I've literally learned the Deeper things about lawn care from LCN!!!! My lawn is looking it's best in over 20 years!!!! I'm standing with Allyn. Say what you want, he knows his stuff and he goes to great lengths to share his knowledge!! His products are great, but he even shares whenever possible, how to find comprable products in retail stores!✔️✔️✔️

[@JDCUSA]

Yes he has “steered you wrong.” Are you a professional groundskeeper? No. I thought so. Are you self employed in the lawn care business? No? That’s what I thought. Alan is wasting your time and money and that should piss you off. Stop stroking his already oversized & overinflated ego.

[@BaconEggUSA]

Thanks MiMi

[@tiktoksister1915]

First things first: Allyn’s videos/methods are consistent in applying .75lbs of nitrogen at a time, a low dose by any measure. TruGreen typically treats between 1/1.5 lbs/1000. A few more issues with your “doors” 1. A couple of notes. The UT report you cited speaks mostly to cool season grasses. Zoysia is not. 2. The article you cite, from UT says “excess nitrogen fertilization…” can contribute. What is excessive? Certainly not .75lb/1,000? (Page 4) 3. In fact, the same report says: “Control: Adequate nitrogen fertilization and soil moisture levels will help prevent the development of dollar spot.” (Page 4) 4. In fact, AGAIN, it says: “Fertilizer should be applied in amounts to encourage uniform growth and avoid excess growth especially in the spring and summer.” (Page 6) 7. AGAIN, on page 7, from the very report you cite: “Control: Good soil and air drainage and low levels of nitrogen fertilizer will help reduce the severity of these diseases.” Man, you were so close. I know you figured folks wouldn’t check your citations. Did you even read them? But congrats on the clicks by trolling a big name on KZbin and siphoning off a few clicks!

[@YoMamaBoyfriend007]

When you have to use others content to make your channel that tells you it’s all about the clicks.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

@@YoMamaBoyfriend007 i like your yt name it made me smile🙃 Idk if its about clicks for this dude or unloading. 🧐

[@YoMamaBoyfriend007]

@@tiffanywhite2121 Thank you. It’s about clicks. I can do a video milk doesn’t do a body good. Or why u don’t need 8 hours sleep. But if I can’t show how I implemented my theory and it worked, it’s all conversation. Show me his lawn and how the other guys methods are lies.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

@@YoMamaBoyfriend007 i think the sources are cited normally in the description. Youre right though not a lot of these yt channels cite their soucres. In the future i hope yt cultural practices evolve to do that . we all got a lot of growing to do in the digital world.

[@jackhines5565]

Right on Matt!

[@danielgomes4754]

I've been following LCN since his Indiana days. I stand by Allyn.

[@andrewccolwell]

If you keep up with his channel, you will see him talk about pounds on the ground and getting into the math of the amounts of N, P, & K being applied. I have never heard him recommend doing more than a label rate. He’s essentially taking about ratios when he’s talking about having high N, and above a certain amount of K which is fair. You’re splitting hairs. My two cents: I would be more open to your ideas if you were creating your own content and not just knit picking others.

[@davidtoys7956]

Regardless of what you say. My lawn has never been greener thanks to LCN!

[@teammadcow]

You're overpaying

[@ranger2316]

Not even. Cheaper than a lawn service.@@teammadcow

[@teammadcow]

​@@ranger2316still overpaying for water

[@webeducation]

The bag also contains carbon prills which is by no means cheap. One also has to consider convenience of carbon w/ the fert and what that cost to do. LCNs channel is geared towards beginners to intermediate. It's important for a beginner to start not being overwhelmed while at the same time obtaining results.

[@ashleymeggan]

And carbon being the main element in chlorophyll, as pointed out in this video, proving that maybe the Yard Mastery product isn’t whack. LOL….

[@teammadcow]

It's geared towards selling

[@driximus]

I have always watched most of these lawn guys mostly for how to. Products are easy, directions on the bag, scotts makes it simple. Honestly my best results have been with Ammonium Sulfate, and drop Iron in the summer.

[@shaneyoung1804]

I got kicked out of their Northern Facebook group for sharing this video.

[@Efemedio1]

Lol

[@ranger2316]

B/S... I have been following the LCN for years, and have employed many of his recommendations. All I can say is, people have stopped me while I'm mowing and said, "How do you get this SA so thick and green?" Thank you Lawn Care Nut. Keep it rolling. PS BTW... he gave the same advice and application strategies when he was exlusively using Milorganite. He was correct then and he's correct now.

[@campbellpaul]

A higher amount of nitrogen as opposed to a steady amount of adequate nitrogen will not do anything unless the turf is under acute stress from heat, wind or an uneven ground surface. The need for more nitrogen in the early springtime is relative to the need for the turf to become physiologically active from a dormant state where it did not require as much. Iron oxide (if abundant enough) is also readily available once microbes have converted it to soluble iron, which does not take "decades" to do. It also hasn't been proven that foliage feeding of iron works all year round or when turf grass is under stress. A soil test is in fact the best way to find out what your lawn lacks nutrient wise, unless you know exactly what to look for in the leaves and roots of the plant itself. There are too many falsehoods surrounding ANY chemical fertilizer to rely on them to be ideal in any way (which is why organic gardening is the best way to go).

[@fjade2495]

My lawn looks amazing today because of Allen and he’s a real person not a cartoon character.

[@TopTierLawnCareServices]

Allyn has said high nitrogen will exacerbate certain turf diseases is other videos

[@Mariobicy]

Exactly, clearly he doesn't want to show that video

[@bitrot937]

@@Mariobicy recently allyn has suggested putting down N to fix turfgrass disease and that's what I've seen the most of lately, as an objective bystander.

[@Mariobicy]

@@bitrot937 please give me the title of the video or better, videos, I want to see that, 100%

[@jaywhite1864]

Concentration equates to an amount. The bottom line is, results = views. People watch LCN because the results are reproducible; which is the benchmark of efficacy in research.

[@gene570]

I watched until about the 4:30 mark of your video where you say "We don't want to bore everyone...". But, you bored me and I stopped watching. I will say that my properties (I have 5) have never looked better since I started watching "Lawn Care Nut" and that was years ago!

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Well thanks for stopping by?? 👍

[@MiMi-vb8lg]

Same here!!!

[@JDCUSA]

@gene570 Your comment is boring. Yes. Go back where you belong. Go running back to Allyn and kiss his toes after he finishes mowing his lawn. It would give you a real purpose in life.

[@dspo9236]

Not sure where you got that label but if you look online the label is different than what you shared.

[@anthonykennedy4313]

I mean I followed a lot of what he said and my lawn looks amazing now! You speak about evidence but the only evidence is what you’re saying….

[@JDCUSA]

Just buy a bag of Scott’s bonus S and follow the instructions on the label. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

[@robertmcdonald1786]

I have watched the LCN for a long time and he didn’t make a dime off me when he first started. I went from buying a foreclosure with a weed bed for a lawn to having the nicest grass on the street. Explain how that happens if all The LCN says is BS? Plus if you’re going to talk about someone else why use a cartoon? Show yourself in your videos.

[@rudolphleroux47]

Alan is helpful. That’s all we expect. What BS hiding behind a cartoon face.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

What bs is hiding behind ANYTHING. i mean i have a profile pic...you dont. Does it matter? Am i more trustworthy because you can see my face? Idk🧐

[@JDCUSA]

@rudolphleroux1666 No you are wrong. Alan is counterproductive and he is costing YOU time and money. Unless you are a professional groundskeeper or a self employed lawn care specialist, it is foolish and unnecessary to spend that much time and money on lawn care and lawn care products.

[@sbernhard83]

To be fair, Allyn Hane aka The Lawn Care Nut goes out of his way to explain how to calculate “pounds on the ground” in most of his videos, and does a great job of hand-holding new users in how to do that. Yes, he’s way oversimplifying fertilizer application in this particular video, but this example is not representative of the depth of teaching he has historically demonstrated for years. As a result this whole debunking video comes across as a petty cherry picking opportunity.

[@dpeagles]

👍

[@techguy8895]

They are grasping alright

[@krusej23]

Calculating pounds of a nutrient/k and saying a higher number on a bag is better are two completely different things. Applying his flagship fert(24-0-6) at 3lbs/k compared to Milo(6-4-0) at 12lbs/k is the same amount of nitrogen but he's not saying that. He's saying the higher the N number on a bag is better in this video. I get what you are trying to say but those two things aren't actually the same.

[@sbernhard83]

@@krusej23 I agree with you. Him saying “higher numbers on the bag are better” is not good and it doesn’t teach the viewer how to properly use fertilizer. As I said, my criticism is based on cherry picking this one particular LCN video which is not at all representative of the years worth of content that Allyn has created to educate consumers on how to apply properly. Everyone makes mistakes once in awhile, but that doesn’t mean Allyn has been detrimental to the lawn care community or to consumers; in fact I would argue the opposite for most of his content.

[@juicyjohn2838]

@@sbernhard83 LCN is constantly giving bad information on his channel. He tells people they can apply fertilizer every month which is not necessary in most cases. He has convinced the average homeowner that they need to apply more products to their lawn as if it was a PGA golf course. The cause of his and most peoples lawn issues are directly caused by overusing fertilizer, insecticides, fungicides and herbicides on their lawn and nuking the healthy ecosystem and building a weak turfgrass that cant withstand any stress. I have seen lawns that have been established for 20 years in Florida that never get anything more than a little fertilizer a few times a year and look better than Allyns. He only shows certain parts of his yard in most of his videos at certain times of the day but if you were to evaluate his entire yard you would see insect damage, thin spots, fungus issues... this is because he has nuked his entire soil biology with chemicals. I think this is not only irresponsible but dangerous to be encouraging average homeowners to do the same. These chemicals are extremely toxic and end up in groundwater and in our waterways. Fuck LCN and his groupies that want to support his overpriced Yardmastery fertilizer which is just rebranded sunniland fert that anyone can buy at home depot for almost half the price.

[@matthewbartke4424]

Broscience. 50% Facts. 50% Magic. 100% Results.

[@WooderBoyProductions]

I love that Allyn comes and responds to my video about the overpriced Yard Mastery backpack sprayer but hasn't commented on this video yet.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Hes probably more worried about adding traffic to this page, and having to deal possibly with TT. I dont think ill ever trust another youtuber/company owner/salesman again. Too long youtuber salesmen have gone unchecked, and unregulated. Smh

[@WooderBoyProductions]

@@tiffanywhite2121 Totally agree. At some point they need to be exposed.

[@stewartclarke6177]

@@tiffanywhite2121 there is alot of bad information out there and it is difficult to know who to trust. often each state has its own university extension office that can really help out homeowners that do not know who to trust. In FL we have these in each county.

[@JDCUSA]

I’m not surprised. Alan’s over inflated ego can’t take the criticism.

[@IrvRat1982]

The one thing that stuck with me are the "oxides" in a bag of fertilizer. That was something that I could apply to ANY bag of fertilizer and it was simple and to the point.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Yep! I no longer trust 5% iron on a bag. Actually, I now use urea and spray chelated iron.

[@nedg3740]

I wish dr. Shaddox would go back to his cartoon self. I miss him.

[@ashleymeggan]

He’s talking about greenup and the high nitrogen is used by lawn care professionals to make your lawn do just that. 6% is actually a really significant makeup of chlorophyll. Wtf? I’m not getting the point of this video.

[@loopba]

Take down Doc and super juice next please

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Take down super juice. Leave the man alone - the BS is to dispel the claim not the morality of the person saying the BS.

[@Lawnvolution]

Funny how people are stating Turf Truth is hiding behind a cartoon. However, there are so many commenters that created a burner account recently just because they are the ones hiding and being deceptive.

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

We are fantastic hairless apes and reveal this true nature when our instinctual reactions control us. This is entertaining to see ;-).

[@rdo3929]

BS!!!!!! Turf Truth Debunked. Another You tuber trying to make a name for yourself on someone else expense. Everyone watch the actual videos. "Turf Fake" is picking and choosing clip and cutting parts out. YOUR A JOKE

[@tiffanywhite2121]

@@rdo3929 damn man i can feel the heat on that one. 🖤🔥

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Yea ive seen lots of burners pop up. Its weird.

[@camt.8705]

I’ve used flagship for a while and always get a dark green and healthy boost. I’ve used the summer stress blend and RGS, Humic 12, microgreen, air8 etc. my lawn has never looked nicer. Some of what you say might be somewhat true but I also buy from Yard Mastery because without his advice and that of others in the KZbin lawn care community I would still be scratching my head wondering what to do. Real men pay it forward and just don’t leech. And because I’ve gotten results I continue to buy. 😘

[@thomasjack4899]

I'm 100% in agreement. The guy that runs this channel is a university type without much real world experience and has a snooty better than everyone attitude, which is typical of these type of people. He's jealous that Allyn was able to turn his knowledge and experience into profit. I'm not disputing what he's saying, but there is also anecdotal evidence (which he would shun) and my yard has never been greener, thicker, healthier...even through a summer of 4 weeks 100 degrees plus and minimal irrigation, my kbg stayed green. At Home Depot, a bag of 45 lbs Scotts turfbuilder is $48. Yardmastery Flagship is $55 and delivered to me. I don't mind paying a few bucks extra for convenience and to support a small business that's provided me a ton of value.

[@kcw131]

If you fertilize your lawn with Nitrogen, it will be healthy and green. His point is not that Allyn is selling snake oil, it's that you're paying way more than necessary for Flagship than a comparable fertilizer.

[@thomasjack4899]

@@kcw131 A comparable fertilizer is scotts turf builder. $48 for 15k sq ft, so $6 cheaper than flagship...and it has clumps half the time and don't realize it until it's all that's left in the hopper. I'll pay a little more for higher quality delivered to my door and supporting a small business that provides value.

[@jacobmorissette2367]

@@thomasjack4899 Scott’s is superior to a YM blend in about every way imaginable.

[@thomasjack4899]

@@jacobmorissette2367 I've used both and have had superior results with ym. Not uncommon for scotts to have clumps that you dont realize until its at the bottom of the hopper. Genuinely curious why you think Scotts is superior in every way...

[@YardEnvy]

Even though I may become a target some day 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, I appreciate you making these videos. One of my biggest pet peeves is people lying to sell their products. Even though I don't sell any products I may be guilty of spreading misinformation without knowing it because of myself being misled by some of the " trusted " lawn care " authoritative " figures. Thanks again!

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

They only go after claims. You, as a person, are morally good. People understandably, take criticism, to mean that they are bad people. That is not what this criticism is doing, it is pointing out your claims to be incorrect. You are not a bad person because you’ve repeated incorrect information.

[@tiktoksister1915]

There really aren’t any lies. The avi man cites a report that directly contradicts what he’s actually saying. He’s just hoping you were to lazy to actually go and read and just believe what he’s telling you. So either the maker of this video cannot read or he’s hoping you cannot. Either way is not good.

[@thomasjack4899]

I would take it as a badge of honor to be made a target of by this clown

[@scz718645]

@@thomasjack4899 other than your probable dislike of this person remaining anonymous, what is it that he said that wasn’t true? Can you be specific?

[@thomasjack4899]

@@scz718645 I've said in other posts that I don't dispute anything he is saying. I just can't stand the university type, no real world experience. He nitpicks on technicalities with a snooty "I'm smarter than you" attitude...all while being anonymous. Reveal yourself, child. There is also anecdotal evidence regarding lawncare and I can say my lawn has never looked better after using Yardmastery granular fertilizer and LCN principles. A bag of Scotts TurfBuilder 15k sq ft costs me $48 at HD, and Yardmastery Flagship is $54...delivered to my doorstep. Big deal! I'll gladly support a small business that has provided a ton of value. The guy running this channel is obviously very jealous of Allyn turning his knowledge and experience into a profit.

[@mainnerd2222]

Yeah... this is BS. I've used flagship and have always had a green lawn, even during stressful heat waves. Nice try though. Next time, let's not hide behind a cartoon. Someone here read your sources and they have a great breakdown of them.

[@webeducation]

Nothing wrong with the label. Urea is water soluble nitrogen and allowed on the label as such. 6 units (aka 6%) of that is polymer coated (aka slow release)

[@ashleymeggan]

Have I stumbled into lawn KZbinr beef? LOL…

[@JDCUSA]

It would be hilarious if the anonymous individual who created this channel is none other than Jake “the Lawn Kid” incognito.

[@JLCVDUB]

So are you planning on offering your own field experience with turfgrass, because we'd all like to hear about your field experience and what we should all be doing since you seem to know a lot about turf. Many will not take you seriously even with your robot cartoon and works cited without you explaining how it should really be done. I'd love to see you present what debunked advice was given, and counter that with scientifically proven information to help DIY'ers understand the science of turfgrass care and maintenance. Calling out BS is one thing, but if you want others to take a step back and reconsider where they are getting their advice from, I think we'd all like to see what you have to offer.

[@TurfTruth]

Hi @Jimmy Calderon. Perhaps it would be more simple for us to provide recommendations, but doing so would only place us in the same position as most DIY youtube channels. Instead, our intention is to show you the door. Everyone has access to the same resources we do, but perhaps people just don't know where find them. We are convinced that if people are shown the resources and develop their critical thinking skills, then they will be better equipped than if they rely upon a youtube channel for advice. We understand this may not be the easiest path, but we would rather teach people how to fish than hand them one. Look in the video descriptions of each video for links to the content cited. Reading and understanding that content should help. Thank you for the respectful conversation.

[@kennycooperkc]

@@TurfTruth unfortunately this message will fall on deaf ears 🤷🏻‍♂️. Critical thinking barely exists, people like to have an easy button and be told what to do

[@brianhartman7135]

@@TurfTruth You failed to respond to my post above because you won't admit that while yes, some of the chlorophyll numbers may be incorrect or potassium doesn't directly link to level of lawn color, the fact is, Allyn Hane's programs work really well and I personally know many with the same great results.. You don't have the guts to recommend a program or alternative to Allyn's 'BS' because you know we would tear it apart or it would be very similar to Allyn's program. lol.. I guess we will just have to develop our critical thinking skills and find the truth.. lol.

[@HungrySoutherner]

@@brianhartman7135 ok I just want to follow the logic and science of your statement. Let me see if I have your thought process correct. Bleach kills bacteria and delivers great results and you've seen it be effective on your kitchen counters and on commercials. Therefore I should ignore research that says bleach is harmful to ingest, and drink it because I have a bacterial infection and bleach kills bacteria. Am I getting your logic correct? Would you be completely open to the idea that Allyn basically has people mowing more, watering more and applying more nitrogen and that is basically the secret to overgrown green lawns? Have you ever seen Allyn compare Freedom Fert to straight urea in the same N ratio, with a checkplot? What if I told you no one could see the difference?

[@brianhartman7135]

@@HungrySoutherner Again, you dismiss my point. Of course Allyn is pushing a product.. It is still a business, we get it. Is the Flagship brand the best? No, and can you get similar results with other brands? Of course. The point is that this entire video is malicious in its intent with no real alternative to something better. Again, I have had great results with his plan and many I know personally have as well.. If you have a better plan or way to manage lawns.. please share with the group. If not, this just comes across as a whiny troll behind a curtain especially if you don't put your actual name on this video..

[@JDCUSA]

And another thing. He looks like Mickey Dolenz and I just can’t take someone seriously who looks like he should be singing “Steppin’ Stone” with the Monkees who doesn’t sing but instead makes videos on KZbin about grass.

[@tomaxxamot2016]

Free country he is not holding a gun to anybody’s head and forcing them to buy his products plenty of choice if you feel his channel is spewing garbage don’t watch ,don’t subscribe and don’t buy I used to watch his channel I feel like I have grown and can filter past misinformation if it exist do your research before you spend your hard earned money

[@jakehaddad-hf5he]

Look how many subscribers you have and then go check his page 😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrReconmanone]

You are targeting someone with proven results at lawn care. He gets in front of the camera not behind a cartoon. Explains why he does what he does and you try to Debunk greener grass. Maybe if you drop the cartoon, show great results at lawn care you do you'll great the number of subscribers he has. I suspect you will remain behind your cartoon.

[@willbryan4377]

All I see is some cartoon twisting the best lawn care channel on you tube to look like cnn. Looks like someone’s a little jelly of Allyns millions of views. I’d love to see this guy make a lawn care channel and show how his program is so much better then the LCN. I’ve followed Allyn for years and my turf looks better every year and I’ve never bought a single of his products. Throw errr down. Long live LCN!

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Ok? Yea i hope the dude has a long life?

[@MiMi-vb8lg]

Right here with you!!

[@dcurry8147]

With all the crap on KZbin don't you think this is kind of nitpicking

[@jrob8931]

Cartoonishly Pedantic “well, actually”

[@jayshotit9312]

If they aren’t throwing dirt on your name your doing something wrong! Allyn is the GOAT enough said 💪

[@JDCUSA]

@jayshotit9312 NO! Not “nuff said!” Allan is wasting your time and your money but you are so infatuated with him that you don’t notice the fact that your boy Alan is costing you time and money. You ain’t a professional groundskeeper or a self employed lawn care service air ye? No? Well, I will give you some free advice that Alan won’t tell you and it will save you a ton of time and money. SCOTT’s Bonus S and follow the instructions on the label. Then apply water. Is that too difficult for you? Remember to KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

[@realturftruth6219]

At the end of the day, all that really matters is the lawn green and happy? Don't need a caricature cartoon to tell me my happy, lush, dark green lawn is BS just cause he/she says so.

[@HungrySoutherner]

You're a flat earther aren't you.....

[@JLavoe111]

Lmao yet ANOTHER account made on the same day as this video released.

[@Cenlalowell]

Someone mad

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Actually, what matters is that we don’t poison the environment when we have science that guides us to avoid doing so. You don’t want to be Canadian like me, and unable to buy what you need to make your lawn beautiful. You’re coming from a position where your passion and business has not been banned.

[@sflspotter6638]

@@BrodeyDoverosx California is the same as Canada.

[@DmonkeyProductions]

Clout chasing. Allyn states everything you’ve said in other videos and you even qualified this video by saying “if his other videos” meaning you do not know the overall messaging of his channel or what may or may not be in the video. If these people you’re piggy backing your channel on are so wrong, produce content to show the correct way to do these things so that others may critique your methods.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Arent "how to" channels a dime a dozen. Just like cooking videos. Everybody has a different way of how to. Idk. Some people might not like this channel but i can find some use. 👍

[@harouttutundjian2578]

You know what I like doing with all of my fertilizer needs ... pay for shipping costs built into the price and paying over $50 for bags of fertilizer that I can buy for half the price or less at a local landscape supplier or AG store.

[@harouttutundjian2578]

@@JesseTheBody1 I usually buy my items from a Ewing irrigation and get most of my fertilizers from $15-25. As for the AG store, I made a day trip out of it since is was 2 hours away. Wife and I got to enjoy walking around, grabbing some lunch and drinks and then I got to make a pit stop on the way back home to buy my fertilizer. I agree, not everyone has access to an AG store but garden centers and landscape suppliers are everywhere. I wouldn't buy fertilizer from a big box store at full price either as those are $50 and up as well.

[@harouttutundjian2578]

@@JesseTheBody1 there's a lot of Milo knock offs out there now with other municipalities trying to get in on the action. NJ sells it under the name OceanGro, NC sells under the name EnviroGems, MA sells it under Bay State Fertilizer. You'll just have to look up Class A biosolids in your area to see if one is offered. I wouldn't use Milo in my yard since it doesn't help with fixing my nutrient deficiencies from my soil test. I instead get a 2-4-3 composted chicken manure or Nature Safe 8-5-5 for a no burn option once temps warm up. I've even gotten some water soluble fertilizers to micro feed the lawn this past summer.

[@jacobmorissette2367]

@@JesseTheBody1 Scott’s is an excellent product compared to YM overall. People who knock it have no idea what they’re really talking about.

[@jacobmorissette2367]

@@JesseTheBody1 not you. I was speaking in general terms.

[@derek0606]

I have watched a lot from Allyn and he voices that you don't have to use any of the products he recommends. He is trying to give you the knowledge to do it yourself... That man speaks good English that I and alot of others seem to understand well. We don't take everything at face value with jealous intent. Bottom line, they have done more for people than harm.

[@BobbyRayShockleyJr]

You can debunk it all you want, but it works!

[@IrvRat1982]

I hate that I have to wait a week.

[@malcomjammies5528]

people who believe this are believing q anon.

[@YoMamaBoyfriend007]

Your next series should you showing your lawn and proving the “scientific” research true. That’d be awesome. We see Allyn’s lawn and it looks good.

[@Jaker788]

Something could look good but require a high amount of inputs to maintain, like fungicides and herbicides. Over fertilization isn't healthy for turf, even it it looks good initially What's important is the invisible soil health and plant health

[@YoMamaBoyfriend007]

@@Jaker788 Results are results. This channel hasn’t showed any results. So who makes him the expert to go and tell someone else they’re doing it wrong. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Most guys on YT are DIYers sharing what they do.

[@YoMamaBoyfriend007]

@@Jaker788 I’m a huge believer in soil health. I do organic fertilizers and feed the soil to promote good bacteria and fungi health. But I don’t go on Allyn’s page and tell him he’s doing wrong. That’s his method and it works for him. This guy needs to create his own content instead of making content about bashing others.

[@Jaker788]

@@YoMamaBoyfriend007 What's wrong with steering people away from misinformation? Lots of people who are new to lawn care often get sucked into that kinda stuff

[@YoMamaBoyfriend007]

@@Jaker788 But if you have no proof of concept then what are you steering them to? It’s cool to spit science but show me that you applied what you’re saying and the results.

[@JH-nl6km]

Keep these coming! Awesome work @turf truth!

[@lawncareprofessional85]

Looking forward to more educational pieces like this in the future.

[@thomasjack4899]

From some cartoon gimmick? At least LCN puts his name out. I think it's Dr Travis Shaddox -- professor at UK turf program that shut down in June and coincidentally this channel started at the same time. He could at least grow some stones and put his face and name out there.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

@@thomasjack4899 lots of folks say its matt martin??🧐

[@stopthebs3982]

Why don’t you quote “travis shaddox university of kentucky”? THATS YOU!

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Do you have any proof of this?🧐

[@marcl9232]

The DIY community needs a channel like this!!! I love it. I cant wait for more videos. Can you recommend products that are beneficial and actually help the DIY community. Iron oxide, zinc oxide, copper oxide and manganese oxide ARE NOT PLANT AVAILABLE!!! your wasting your money on these "goodies"

[@michaelray7523]

Scared to actually show your face. Classic

[@heathcline]

got me some Flagship coming in tomorrow boys!!! yeeeeehaw

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Whatever works right

[@hitfoods1726]

LCN IS AWESOME AND HONEST.

[@JDCUSA]

@hitfoods1726 Boy has HE got you hornswoggled and snookered. You are the type that would have followed Reverend Jim Jones to Guyana and partaken in the drinking of the infamous cyanide Hawaiian Punch cocktail. It matters not to you that Allyn is wasting your time and money. You would spend your last dime and steal from your own Mom if it meant it would impress your man crush ALLYN Haines. You need some professional help and some serious couch time.

[@angeloflores2614]

Lcn is giving advise as per experience he is no rocket scientis

[@littleeddie133]

I just bought a bag of Double Dark from his web site then I got to thinking if he is selling products can I really trust him? Also I thought he was preaching not to use nitrogen is the summer months.

[@ranger2316]

No he recommends using it regularly throughout the summer months... the problem is some areas in Florida are in a fertilizer blackout from Jul to Nov to prevent fertilizer runoff into our waterways.

[@jamesphillipsjr]

Interesting. Like many DIY'ers I started looking closer at lawncare during 2020. Am always trying to absorb enough info and cast aside the useless stuff. Much of the lawn info (not specific to anyone) I kept seeing seemed suspect and the sales-ism was pretty blatant. So I value questioning and positive criticism. Looking forward to future videos. 3:22 What is important is the amount of "wahaaa"? Did you say "light"? 5:40 By "amount of applied nitrogen" do you mean the volume of fertilizer multiplied by its nitrogen analysis = the amount of total nitrogen applied over the area?

[@TurfTruth]

Yes. The amount of nitrogen per area.

[@jamesphillipsjr]

@@TurfTruth Thanks for the reply.

[@campbellpaul]

He said "...the amount applied"... not "...the amount of light".

[@thelawnfeed2.054]

When will you be doing a video on Ryan Knorr?

[@travisburch4342]

unitedwestand, your account was created right before making this comment. WTF

[@JH-nl6km]

Easy there princess.

[@thelawnfeed2.054]

@@JH-nl6km who is princess? princess peach?

[@briano9879]

😂 I don't think Ryan can handle anymore criticism this year. Old boy is delicate. I like him and think he's an absolute sweetheart of a man but he seems to want to clap back when he should just take the high road.

[@Eli-9]

There’s bigger fish to fry than Ryan Knorr. Like that Doc guy. Doc needs a whole series devoted to him. He so full of BS

[@brandonb.288]

OOF! I'm going to say a big L on this video. I could go through and blow each one apart but just take the first one alone and a quick search will show 'too little' nitrogen can promote diseases like dollar spot and anthracnose and too much can exacerbate other types of disease so Allyn was way closer to truth than 'Turf Truth'. Also, stating what someone is 'implying' is rather subjective to be calling yourself a 'truth' channel. Nothing like being subjective rather than objective and taking what you think someone 'implied' rather than objectively stated.

[@tommybennett737]

I like the content and would like to see some recommendation videos

[@randyr8977]

Interesting video, thanks for the research links

[@JoseRivera-wl9mt]

LCN is fantastic, love his products.

[@GG-Turf]

Love it. Looking forward to next Tuesday. Keep it up!

[@TurfTruth]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@chrischon1]

Instead of trying to trash a good channel with authentic lawn care teaching, why don't you try and contact him personally if you feel he is misleading or wrong on something. If you watch his channel you will see that he addresses when he has made mistakes and will acknowledge it. Don't be a hater.

[@MarlonJoseGE]

Perfect. My thoughts exactly.

[@davidhintz1806]

Read the literature provided. Wouldn't it be important for something to be true in order for you to call it authentic?

[@chrischon1]

@@davidhintz1806 by authentic I mean someone who appears genuine in their teaching and believes what they are saying. Mistakes happen, and I don't think the LCN would purposefully share bad lawn knowledge. All I'm suggesting is if this guy is really concerned about misinformation, that he go to the source. It appears that he's just trying to gain clout by pointing out errors, that no one really cares about, made by a well liked and well respected teacher of the DIY lawn care community.

[@Lawnvolution]

@@chrischon1 if Turf Truth goes to LCN and explains the truth, do you think LCN is going to backtrack statements after sale pitching products to thousands of people? We all need a channel like this to debunk the misinformation just to sell products. It gets people to research active ingredients in products, and understand what those ingredients accomplish instead of some guy sale pitching just for money.

[@chrischon1]

@@Lawnvolution explains the truth? The LCN is a professional. He teaches ALOT of factual things but he also has a business which is successful for a reason. Again, I have watched a few of the LCN videos where he has addressed his errors and corrected them. So yes. If Turf Truth did "explain the truth" and there was an error, I imagine he probably would correct it. The LCN even says on his channel that he is still always learning, so why the hate? His products aren't snake oil and they do have a purpose. If you have a different preference go for it, but I think you're hating on the wrong channel

[@natesales5880]

Your joke im gunna reach out there and say your trolling for click bait. Wasted money on products i have the best looking lawn in my town. Lawn care nut does a good job of going into depth.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

If it aint broke...

[@PrincessCutLawnCare]

Man you couldn’t find a better “debunk” then that? 😂

[@briano9879]

Princess...shoot me straight. Has Uncle Al approached you about doing rep work. It seems like he tries to buddy up to the new guys.

[@PrincessCutLawnCare]

@@briano9879 Actually no he hasn’t. One thing I will tell you is that new creators get a little over zealous to work with companies whether that’s toro,turf mend, Barenbrug etc. which is why you see so many product centric videos on KZbin. I don’t know if it makes them feel cool or what. And I agree it’s very annoying. But AL has been very supportive to me when I was just a little guy on the scene. I was a nobody and HE reached out to me to be on my little tiny podcast. I’ll never forget that. No other mega lawn influencers care about the little guys but he did.

[@Gr33kG33k]

I'm pretty sure they are just getting started

[@jacobmorissette2367]

@@PrincessCutLawnCare That’s because with every “little guy”, he sees dollar signs and more money in his pocket. This is pyramid scheme, MLM, whatever you want to call it at its finest.

[@WooderBoyProductions]

@@PrincessCutLawnCare I have to agree with George here. Unlike some influencers he actually wants to encourage people to get out in their lawn and see results. At the end of the day we are all here to get better results and see better results in our lawn.

[@DW-ur4xt]

I stumbled up your video's I do think there pretty cool and funny but I do admit that I followed LCN and I buy and I John Perry Green County Fertilizers and not sure all the chemical tech. stuff in it and my yard looks fantastic I get a lot of complements about I been watching them for years and my yard to looking GREAT when using Next product line I still watch your videos but I don't have an answer to what you are saying to what they are saying I just see the results

[@adamc1706]

The point is you would get the same results with much cheaper versions of the sources. You could take some soluable 46-0-0 urea, a little bit of spray grade iron and get the same results as something like “greencharge” for 1/4th the price maybe even less. It’s very expensive to ship liquids and granular and it’s usually built into the cost.

[@ranger2316]

Dude... people want to spread some magic mow once or twice a week and get on with our lives. LCN meets that need.@@adamc1706

[@ericcomfort6228]

Wow. You must be incredibly bored or jealous. My lawn looks awesome after following his plan.

[@johnbuckman6803]

What I believe people could take away from this video is the rare presence of a somewhat healthy fundamental disagreement. The tone you use isn’t patronizing while the subtlety of your little character dude is just right. More recognition to LCN on the things you feel he does do correctly would be better, especially since Allen’s channel seems to be more beneficial than it is harmful. His passion through his attention to detail for grass is admirable, as well as the research effort from you to produce this video. #CoralReefAwareness

[@TurfTruth]

Thanks John. It is rare that we receive useful criticism of our content. It is appreciated. TT

[@IsaacMomperousse]

Why is it that you use a cartoon instead of your face?

[@TurfTruth]

We would like our content to convince (or not convince) people based solely upon the evidence we present, not who is saying it. We provide links to all the evidence we use in the description of each video and we encourage our viewers to critically review the content. In this manner, we hope to help the turfgrass industry grow more towards critical thinking and rely less upon fallacious reasoning. To this end, our identity is irrelevant. Thank you for the question.

[@IsaacMomperousse]

@@TurfTruth irrelevant in your opinion... You are the data guy likes proof. I believe your identity being irrelevant is an opinion. It shows that you're just looking to tear people down. You could have had the same effect without mentioning anyone and just say these things are not true. But this is KZbin and you can't get clicks then it's better to siphon them off of somebody else

[@krusej23]

Some people like to watch the world burn, some like to watch their money burn while applying yard mastery fertilizers. Keep up the good work.

[@heathcline]

Me! Me!

[@rizocars6115]

Might be an unpopular opinion but i can't stand this guy, so many lies to make a profit Shame on you!!!!!! Good video

[@zeroibis]

Can we get a video on 02-YS?

[@TurfTruth]

Are you referring to the adjuvant?

[@zeroibis]

@@TurfTruth Yes

[@eugenex.p.3430]

BS from a cartoon talking BS.

[@DRK_BBQ]

I enjoyed this video. I do think that Allyn is really good at explaining the basics to new homeowners and DIYers, and I also do think that he has a tendency to say things quickly that are easily taken in the wrong way (aside from the actual misinformation pointed out) - but there's a problem there. If it can be taken the wrong way, it will be, and needs to be corrected to provide factual info. Just like how he said "nitrogen doesn't cause disease", he is technically correct (as stated by TT robot) but since it can easily be taken to mean "nitrogen *application* does not cause disease" it needs to be checked. I have absolutely no disputes with this video. I like the conversation these videos create, keep them up.

[@derek0606]

I'd recommend that everyone watch the video about Nitrogen not causing disease... He explains everything and this guy is only picking statements from each video when it was explained in full on the actual videos. I feel like most of the people here have watched most of these videos on mute. Turn that sound up and it's very clear.

[@DRK_BBQ]

@@derek0606 if information can be interpreted incorrectly, it will be. Just because you understood Allyn saying "nitrogen does not cause disease" does not mean everyone will understand that. Not everyone will be able to watch an entire video, or pay attention the entire time. When videos are targeted at people like that, it's very important to be incredibly clear and reiterate information

[@Lawnvolution]

@@DRK_BBQ 👆

[@symbiont0156]

Great job and nice video. I wish things hadnt come to this and that your channel wasnt necessary, but as we are seeing its increasingly needed. Watching these videos makes me miss the days where people made videos about the lawn because they were passionate about making their grass better and show off their lawn instead of trying to sell products and make profit. It seems like the BS suggestions and statements started to increase after some folks started hawking products a few years ago. Now we suddenly have all these new channels popping up and its all about pushing the use of certain products making the same BS claims.

[@Renee5]

i guess you suck at lawn care🤣

[@bbtank3000]

New KZbinrs taking the easy route and criticizing others instead of creating their own content.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

How to channels are a dime a dozen. I can find value in the research into the products we are being sold. The cite sourcing is worth a good browse. 🔥

[@johnjrkean7008]

Ok I see ur point but can u please tell me why they call a parkway a parkway and a driveway a driveway when we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?!?!?!?

[@Lawnvolution]

The Family Feud BS counter was a cool effect.

[@TurfTruth]

@Lawnvolution Thanks!

[@JDCUSA]

Yes I agree. It was very cool! 👍🏻👏🏻👌🏻

[@toddsreellawn8905]

Thank you so much for debunking this guy. Blatant lies and just a salesman !!! This guy has hurt the environment so bad with his lies

[@yaxelcastaneda5993]

So you say he is full of BS but ive yet to see you say anything regarding experience or knowledge compared to him. Whether yhere is a study or not some things are learned by experience. So i say you are the one with the BS making content by bashing someone else.

[@wsb3o1]

turned this off after 4 minutes

[@Lawnvolution]

I know it was hard for me to watch the BS too. But, I want to learn and later research factual information, so I watched to the end.

[@Cenlalowell]

Must be Allyn hane fan

[@derek0606]

@@Cenlalowell He has way more fans than the cartoon. I've said it before, there is a loser in every game and it sounds like this person had some skin in it and lost. Why hide yourself if you are right? Thats sketchy...

[@Cenlalowell]

@@derek0606 most of those fans came BEFORE he became a product pusher. How do I know? I found his channel when he was jumping on his car to take pictures of his lawn. That's were his following comes from

[@derek0606]

@@Cenlalowell it's wrong why? He grew just like any business. He has been nothing but honest. Fact of it is, you won't make everyone happy but the extent of slander because it's not for you? Thats just wrong. Move on and find something that works for you and just don't watch it. I personally tried ketchup on my eggs and I don't like it, my wife does and that's ok. Same with these products. Not all are for me but I'm also not the only schmuck in the world nor is my lawn the same as the rest of the world....

[@jasonmenken8910]

Some good info here, but... Allyn's target demographic is the newer diy guy. TT says several times that concentration is not important, it is the application rate. While true, you have to consider the inexperienced DIY guy is simply going to apply at the bag rate, not calculate pounds on the ground (which Allyn covers in other videos). TT also "debunks" that potassium will increase the green color. Again, true, but in this video Allyn refers to a stressed out lawn. So, how can an inexperienced diy guy make his stressed out lawn green, add potassium to help with the stress relief, thus increasing the green in the lawn. Allyn is the main reason I have learned so much about diy lawn care. The basic knowledge he taught me great affected my results. However, now that I have gained that basic knowledge and then researched it more, I have kind of moved on from him, Jake, etc. The type of science that TT is teaching may simply be above what an inexperienced newby can handle. Which is why the way Allyn teaches it is very helpful. I'll admit, at first, I bought the stuff he was promoting, and saw great results. However, as I mentioned above, the more knowledge I gained, the less of his products I have purchased. Just keep in mind, you have to learn to walk before you can run.

[@HungrySoutherner]

"So, how can an inexperienced diy guy make his stressed out lawn green, add potassium to help with the stress relief, thus increasing the green in the lawn." How are you determining that a stressed out lawn is due to a potassium deficiency? Turf Truth may or may not agree with me on this but that statement alone doesn't pass the BS test. If turf is just dry then only water is going to sort that out, potassium isn't going to help hydrate the plant ( and no I don't want to engage in the debate about stoma control and guard cells and potassium). My opinion is that potassium is being over marketed as a "stress" cure for turf, when good old fashioned H20 is probably better combined with better cultural practices like quit scalping your lawn every 2 weeks.

[@Lawnvolution]

@Jason Menken Your statement, “You have to learn to walk before you can run.” Unfortunately, when dealing with fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides. A newer DIY person should learn the correct information from the very beginning of his/her new lawn journey.

[@TurfTruth]

@Jason Menken Thanks for the comment. No, we never stated that concentration is not important. In fact, at 3:00 we stated that the analysis is important. Allyn refers to what K does, but his assertion that applied K will green up turfgrass was clearly not specific to stressed turf. Even with stressed turf, applied K does not consistently result in greener turf in the field on native soils. If you are sincerely convinced that potassium will green up turfgrass, we recommend you read the chapter we cited along with the literature cited in that chapter. Or, contact a university soil/nutrition specialist who is knowledgeable on turfgrass K. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2134/agronmonogr56.c14

[@jacobmorissette2367]

@@HungrySoutherner you mean to tell me that applying a salt to dried/stressed turf will not "relieve" that stress?

[@jasonmenken8910]

@@HungrySoutherner I agree, proper watering is probably going to help the stressed out lawn the most. Too many grass types to say what is the "best" height, but for my TTTF I keep it at 4+ inches during the summer. I don't know the science behind it, and I know I have more to learn, but on a VERY simple level, nitrogen helps the grass grow up, phosphorus helps it grow down, and potassium helps with stress relief.

[@bigdaddyz92]

Why don’t you stop hiding behind a cartoon and show your results and give your suggestions to people? A troll in social media comments is expected….a troll account is pathetic.

[@davidhensel7666]

Truth can come from any source. Scientist, enthusiast, or hobo on the street. Truth is true. To suggest that you have to know someone's identity to believe the facts and research they are presenting is a logical fallacy of "Appeal to Authority" and "The Courtier's Reply".

[@bigdaddyz92]

@@davidhensel7666 my comment has nothing to do with information shared from any source including the poster of the video. However you clearly seem proud of your psychology definitions and we are all impressed! My issue is someone taking videos posted by real humans who are showing their face, results, and opinions and then debating and critiquing them hidden behind a cartoon. I’m very interested in learning more about lawn care from all sources but I have no respect for the posters approach. You can share any video you want and criticize whoever you want just give the critiqued respect by not hiding behind a cartoon.

[@davidhensel7666]

@@bigdaddyz92 I'm a Licensed Professional Counselor so sharing psychological principles is quite literally my job. I am sharing that "hiding behind cartoons" is irrelevant to healthy debate or truth telling. This is why anonymous tip lines exist. So that truth tellers can be honest about lies, deception, and bad actors without being attacked in their personal and professional lives.

[@bitrot937]

@@bigdaddyz92 you sound like you have a bias

[@Lawnvolution]

Wonder if Perry is gonna have more BS on the counter vs Hane.

[@jacobmorissette2367]

There needs to be a counter on every video from now on so a Grand Champion can ultimately be crowned.

[@Lawnvolution]

@@jacobmorissette2367 There will be a mushroom cloud at the end of that video. Lol

[@JDCUSA]

I know it upsets you and you feel strong emotion whenever you perceive that your man crush ALLYN Haines is being attacked but try harder to contain yourself. You act like a pre-teen girl at a Justin Beiber concert the way you worship Allyn.

[@M.S.A.G.E.M.]

Clout chasing videos like this are embarrassing.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Idk. I find it useful. Especially for pointing out new material for me via cite sourcing. 🤷‍♀️

[@DavidTheLawnDaddy]

Who ever created this video is purely hating. Definitely not subscribing to this channel. Find some new content buddy.

[@teallhaycock9316]

These videos are fire 🔥!!! The BS counters are great! Just don’t crush my guy Pete… he’s NOT the pushy sales guy these videos demolish 😅

[@carpentrylover145]

Do those liguid green county fertilizers

[@davidgonzales-ec8bo]

I agree about the amount of nitrogen and not the concentration good point

[@thomasjack4899]

Why don't you reveal yourself? Rather than hiding behind some gimmicky cartoon character. You're probably some university type with all kinds of technical knowledge, but not much in the way of real world results. There is also anecdotal evidence and I can tell you that my lawn has never looked better after applying some (not all) of LCN recommendations...no bandwagon here.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

I dont think a face adds credibility. I think its the cite sourcing.

[@StephenBrewer89]

Allyn if very intelligent he has proven himself to many that if you follow him you can have a rest looking lawn.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

It many be easier to always be told what to do. Some people prefer it. Im not sure if the thought process is "if it aint broke dont fix it" ? 🤷‍♀️

[@JDCUSA]

SCOTTS BONUS S. Follow instructions. Apply water. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. YOU’RE WELCOME.

[@SuperTA329]

Love it.

[@JAdubya]

You’ll have a ton of content with videos this short. Interesting to know that the micros in oxide form are useless!

[@jacobmorissette2367]

Multiple others have vocalized this over the past year or so. No one cares to listen and actually learn what they’re applying.

[@Lawnvolution]

Now research more on oxides. People often just take some words as fact. This is fact, but continue to read and research further. Who knows what else might interest you in the journey.

[@Gr33kG33k]

Best thing since sliced bread, thank you @turf truth

[@TurfTruth]

Thank you! Glad you are finding this information useful!

[@briano9879]

I'm not making excuses for Alan, he needs to slow down with the unchecked BS. Hopefully this session will make him realize he needs a fact checker vs going off of what other people are saying. Although I don't follow his advice I do think he is a good person deep down vs someone like John Perry.

[@Lawnvolution]

@@briano9879 Im sure A. Hane is a cool guy but If Hane is selling product he should know about the product. You state he is going off of what other people are saying. Then his 450k subs are going off of what Hane is saying. See my point here?

[@Gr33kG33k]

@@Lawnvolution @Brian O it's clear from their actions that both AH and JP are lacking any measurable amount of integrity when it comes to their businesses and making money. Greed is a hell of a drug and these guys are hooked. Actions speak louder than words. Just looking at the products these guys sell today and everyday under false pretenses it is obvious that they will do and say anything to make a buck. I feel sorry for the people that are reselling their products. They might not realize it but they too are copable and share in this guilt. They have to take responsibility for the products that they promote and for any affiliate agreements that they enter into. If you put your name on a product or if you associate your brand with a product without doing the due diligence to make sure the product is what it says it is then you are responsible 100% when it turns out that the product is nothing but brown water and BS even if you have a cross in your logo, operate a charity or are a great person in your personal life. Effectively you might as well be selling a product that you know is fraudulent.

[@sflspotter6638]

Why don’t you come out and state who you are and your credentials? Don’t start a youtube Chanel on the premise of bashing another guys content. Allyn Hayne is a business owner and a marketing guy. And he’s become very successful in a short period of time. And i congratulate him for that. If you don’t Ike his content just move on and stop acting like your entitled to any success.

[@tiffanywhite2121]

Idk ive found value in the cite sourcing. How to channels are like recipes...a dime a dozen right? But hey i guess not everybody finds value so those ppl i guess wont stay. Its how it goes.

[@WillNyeTheTurfgrassguy]

Yes!

[@michaelmiller6843]

This channel is baaaad

[@chrisrickert7820]

Science is my friend