Lawyer Reacts To The Real Reason Spotify Sucks... | Raised

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[@RealHomeRecording]

"Krystle, esq.: I have no fanbase." *Checks subscriber count, sees 99,000 people * 😂 By the way did you seriously steal this guy's video without giving direct credit? A link to his channel is posted but not the original video link itself.

[@martinsquare]

I don't have a position on that because Spotify is streaming. People don't own the song and need to come back and listen again. Each time adding half of a cent. 1 000 000 of streams is not in fact a big number since that can be the same person coming over and over. That can be a bot too as we learned on your channel. :D

[@fakshen1973]

How about an office tour at 100k subscribers? Come in half an hour early before everyone else shows up and give the nickel tour.

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@martinsquare good point...a bot can click something but a bot isn't transferring money to buy a physical copy!

[@RodsBobavich]

I find this whole argument of finger pointing a bit humorous... If you don't like Spotify go the Pomplamoose route. It works!!! If you like direct to fans go the Jonathan Colton route. It works!!! If you don't like doing all that work Go the Justin Beiber route. It works!!! If you hate online you can go Chance the Rapper route. It works!!! If you like old industry you can go the Taylor Swift route. It works!!! If you don't like to do concerts you can go the Enya route. It works!!! All of the platforms and business plans have trade offs... Every one of them sucks. But they work!!!

[@Cyber6string]

The difference in Spotify and going to the record store are huge in terms of quality. In a record store, you might be looking through Black Flag albums and the only other Black Flag fan in Nowheresville, Ohio might come up and strike up a conversation and before you know it, you’re skateboarding and talking about the thoughts behind TV Party. Or you and your first girlfriend had your first kiss in the car, “Every Rose Has It’s Thorn” was playing. You go to the record store and pick up the cassette single, which you find years later in a shoebox and remember. You went to find The Best of Peter Frampton but someone stuck the Ministry “Just One Fix” CD single in its place, you ask the record store owner about it, they say it’s cool, and hearing Burroughs on the “B side” changes your life. You go to a live Voivod show, you wear your Voivod hoodieand go for pizza after, across the street. You hear, “hey, you’re wearing my art”, and that’s how you get to meet their drummer. Spotify doesn’t tend to do that. Music was never meant to be consumed like happy meals. It was meant to create real, live, deep, personal connections between people. Spotify was what William Burroughs had in mind when he said “What does the money machine eat? It eats youth, spontaneity, life, beauty and above all it eats creativity. It eats quality and shits out quantity.”

[@IsopropylRecordings]

Great words ✌️

[@crunchysteve]

Amen! The record store is my church (and the record aisle in the charity shops)

[@ZacxOff]

At the end, hes saying the CONSUMER wont own their music. Not the musician, they've already been screwed out of owning their music.

[@Anco]

In the end he was talking about that you don´t own the music as the listener. And maybe owning is the technical the wrong word in that case, but if you buy a CD or DRM free digital file, you have the license to play it forever. About the way music changes because of streaming, yes music always has changed with how it was consumed, but the problem in my eyes is that it is big downside if you don´t follow the rules or you listeners don´t want shorter songs. The songs I listen to are on average 5 or 6 minutes long. So if I listen for the same time, the artist that makes 5 minute long songs will get half the money than one that creates 2-3 minute songs. For the same playtime. So while I pay the same, I need to listen twice as much to generate the same amount of money for the artist, because of the music I like? That is not fair. Also if I don´t play more than the average amount of songs, part of my money goes to artists I don´t want to support. When I still had Deezer, only half of my money went to artists that I listened to. The payout system is still the same as in 2006 when they started Spotify. And in that time it made sense, because more statistics where probably to expensive to keep track of. But know they keep all of your listening habits. So there is no reason to keep the flawed payout system. I decided for myself that I would rather buy a (digital) CD per month instead of having half of my money go to the wrong artists. And a big benefit is, while music will probably get more and more expensive (also the streaming services), I will always have the music I already collected.

[@calypso2niner]

Back in my day, we used to listen to the whole album over and over, including getting up and flipping the record over and sitting back down.

[@huahua4186]

Got rid of Spotify back in 2020... Went to Tidal for the quality and from my understanding, respects and pays their artist more, but I could be wrong these days. Thanks TMA or bringing the awareness to people!

[@kevincormack4340]

Tidal pays better too And pays better

[@Protocol_17]

Even pay to play doesn’t work.

[@crunchysteve]

Pay to play pubs. It's a wonder they don't get the band to pay the bar staff, too.

[@haydenhack]

We dont get any where near 0.004 c per stream... That is an "Average" including the big artists with their billions of streams.. its closer to 0.0014c per stream. Ive worked it out for 1 of my tracks. Made more of BandCamp in 2 weeks than 7yrs from All Streaming combined . Spotify if just a business card.

[@BlindZubat]

I am not a musician or artist, I just love music. I still buy physical copies of albums. I only really use digital streaming services to check to see if I like an album enough to buy it, or if its an older album that is out of print or I can't find locally. I also don't like buying off amazon. I like to special order from my local record store. Hence why it took me 9 years to get all of Joan Jett's discography. I like the direct to fan market though. I like a lot of smaller bands who are out side of the states and I can buy their stuff straight from them. Its amazing to see I can more directly support such cool and talented people!

[@justice4all719]

Imagine a cooperative of musicians offering streaming services to listeners. Music needs to be removed from the hands of greedy middle men. The middle man should be the artist.

[@urbaniv]

I found your channel today and are bing watching it since. Great Job

[@Alec_Collins78]

I think he meant you don't own your music as a listener. He's right but this is either/or logic. I stream and buy, using streaming services as my iPod set to shuffle.

[@balaamsass5540]

Spotify is the industry's punishment for not pivoting fast enough in the age of the mp3 but instead suing the fans.

[@DocFlay]

Last FM has always been better at matching my music taste, because it logs all my local music as well as online streams on various services.

[@MatthewEverettGates]

Around 29:00 he's calling on listeners to support their favs, so "you don't own your music" is about purchased song/album versus "subscription," or rented right to listen while paying regular fee. Makes sense, but there's the convenience aspect which can appeal to listeners. Same thing that's happening in software/games. Maybe direct to fans model can include that- though it's a little bit more of a complicated website construction.

[@busterevergreen9673]

I'm sharing this with the ton of producers I know .Girl were gonna make you some bread for all of the work you do. tyvm🖖

[@Reginaldborington]

"If direct to fans can work so well for me, it can work for you" Hi, I'm "you", nice to meet you. I don't have 99k subs on KZbin and 65k on Instagram built up from offering legal advice and content to musicians to then market my music into later on, so I'd beg to strongly disagree with that statement tbh. Call me crazy, but my guess is 99% or more of the sales came from fans/followers who found you through legal advice videos. That situation really isn't transferable across to regular independent artists.

[@AizenPT]

Pay to win is a common thing this days. Skills don't matter if no one even see determined creations

[@richardosuna2932]

Ticketmaster and Live Nation have done a great job planting the idea that the reason concert tickets cost so much is because of low record sales. Unless you were a top tier act that renegotiated your contract on more favorable terms, most acts didn't make much money at all from records. First, the music industry is the only artistic industry where the artist has to pay the full cost of the end product, That means the artists had to pay back the cost of everything. From the recording to the disc pressing to the full promotional budget. This was all owed back to the record companies and paid to them first, profits came second. Second, the record companies had a formula where 10-15 or product sold was considered waste so they only paid back on that 85-90% sold, not the 100%. Next the artist had to pay their manager, agent, the producer who may get a cut out of their cut and then split the rest amongst the band. So at the average record company payment on a unit sold was 10%-25% so let's do the math on a 20% payout of $4 each on a million units sold at $20 per CD. Well, 85% of a million is 850,00 850,000 x 4 = $3,400,00 Managers 10% = $-340,000 Producers Cut 10% =$-340,000 $600,000 owed to record company for recording, promo etc That leaves you with $2,120,000 Divide this 5 ways, each band member gets $424,000. No offense but many "top music lawyers" make more annually than this. And the chances are your manager will take more than 10% and your record label will not be giving you a 20% royalty rate. At 10% (2 dollars) you will net only $1,700,000. If your manager makes 20% that means the band will split a net oft $1.100.000 5 ways for a gross of $220,000 per band member. Few people ever got rich off a first record contract.

[@MarkHinderliter]

I had an inkling from the timbre of your speaking voice that you had a notable singing voice - well and you've shared that you're an artist. But I just visited your website, and wow, do you ever have a singing voice!

[@alexjenner1108]

Many of these criticisms apply to radio too, but because the music on radio was not on demand, people felt the need to purchase music. I've purchased a few digital albums on Bandcamp, it's high quality digital and I don't end up collecting a lot of plastic. I haven't played CD or vinyl in more than 10 years.

[@clayirwinmusic1962]

clay irwin on bandcamp great music

[@moritz_schoenermann]

When the record label I once owned released some of my tracks on spotifuck this " no money if there is less than 1000 plays" did not existed. Is it possible to take down all the songs from this platform due to their unilateral change of rules? Also, how could I, if possible, audit them?

[@bludragonproject9677]

Same thinking applies to visual artists also. There is an erroneous perception amongst new and/or innocuous creators that all you need to do is digitally sign your piece to claim copyright. The same is evident in the world if writers that simply dating and signing your piece is the extent of the process. This is simply the first step.

[@hbomb495]

Never used Spotify. Never will. Just never appealed to me. And I hated the idea of requiring an internet connection to listen to music. No hate to those who use it though as free will is above all.

[@joejokerswild]

Jolly Great Show. 🥳

[@ghavinga]

Could you get Mary Spender onto your channel please?

[@drewstephenson]

Look back at the 60s, loads of songs below three minutes. Radio really wasn't so different.

[@crunchysteve]

But in the same store that sold Spandau Ballet's Dare, I could discover Hawkwind or The Exploited or Switched On Bach, sorted alphabetically by artist. The only algorithm pushing me towards making rich men in suits richer, an A4 sheet of paper with 40 song and artist nanes on it. Changed weekly. A song by Devo cones to mind, "Freedom of Choice." What that song warned us of has come to pass.

[@drewstephenson]

@@crunchysteve Yeah, but that choice in the record store was completely dictated by a different bunch of suits who happened to work at a label instead of a tech company.

[@edexter97]

I would figure that I could just write smaller songs to keep under the 10-minute distributor rule and then piece them together as a mix for the video channels. I am still thinking about that and distributing on d-tube as a third video platform.

[@fakshen1973]

Something not mentioned in this video is all of the grief regarding self-promotion being flagged bot-farming. I believe you addressed that before. It's a big deal of course.

[@DJSlowbridge]

Love your red streaks.

[@Skywolf370]

I think it would be good if you got your first (lets say) 10 listens to any given song or album for free, after that if you want to continue listening you pay some kind of fee (of which at least mostly goes to the artist) to get unlimited access. That way you can still get to discover as much new music as you can handle and you would value your favourite albums more because you have paid for them, and the artists would get a beter deal. too.

[@RealHomeRecording]

_old school Napster and BitTorrent enters the chat_

[@cjc363636]

It doesn't have to be all streaming or all physical media. I do both. I use Apple Music and KZbin to discover new music and then I buy files or physical copies.

[@ModusVivendiMedia]

The inflation calculation is wrong. $3.90 in 1965 is worth $39.54 today, not $9.90. (Still way less than $1088 though.)

[@alexjenner1108]

agreed on both, did the same calculations and got something around $38.00. The problem for many artists after the pandemic, when people could tour again, the touring industry put up their prices. To a certain extent this was to cover lost revenue, but also because they knew they could since touring was the main way the artists made money.

[@lyfandeth]

It does make a huge practical difference though. In 1965, $40 could buy you a month's rent in a furnished apartment. Now? Well, $1000 can do the same thing, in the same segment of the housing market. The price of a Coke, a ballpark hotdog and beer, a gallon of gas, a month of medical insurance...all sorts of commodities, is more of a real comparison than just the dollar figures. The price of buying the music, or the artists' entire collection, versus the price of a show ticket (or a pair of them) is another way to look at it. Two Beatles' tickets could have bought all their LPs. Two Eras tickets could buy Swift's entire catalogue, plus a really decent stereo to listen to them, again and again. The way that parasites suck the blood of artists, no matter how they do it, is simply nuts.

[@edeltobi]

Great video, and such an important topic. Few points. I believe you misunderstood what he meant when he said "you do not own your music"... he was adressing the consumer, as in you do not actually own a copy of the music circling back to his earlier point of making a deeper connection with the artist whose single / album you bought. it seems you interpreted this as him adressing the artist in this context. Also you say at one point when it comes to music discovery and taking 2minutes to listen into a song or 30minutes to listen into an album: "give me a break we are so busy" etc etc.. at the same time later you encourage artists to take the time to monetize with "we're all busy but take the time" etc etc.... Here is a fundamental problem in the culture: People who really care about music, should take the time to listen to and try to understand the artists they are trying to discover. If not some AI generated crap or BS phony pop song, chances are the artist realy put a lot of time and intention into their music and it might require a bit more time than a tik tok reel for you to intelectually grasp it. some music is ART, a lot isnt. as such some humans making music are ARTISTS, many arent. And some listeners are interested in / receptive to music that incorporates creative risk, etc while others treat music as background noise for cooking. Maybe it's time real artists said "maybe i dont want to mix my precious creations in with all the commodified stuff that is rewarded like and sometimes treated like garbage by the culture that streaming / tik tok and the likes are creating. Maybe it can be USED to reach new listeners with the hopes to funnel these people away from the system, make them more educated, individual and refined listeners. I dont want to sound like an old man here, but my mein point is that maybe musicians need to playb a role in shaping the CULTURE of music consumption and production more actively. What do you think?

[@edsavage6214]

I don't get the arguement people don't have time to listen to albums. I do all the time, it just means you won't have time for a bunch of singles XD

[@HeinrichSilvia]

I am using Spotify. I don't feel any attachment to the CDs that I had back in the days and there were quite a lot of them. All gone. Collecting dust and never being the perfect selection of music that I want. For example I have my Gym-List with around 25 Tracks that fit perfectly for my routine. Been listening to it for years, with a change here and there. But yeah, those 25 Tracks I would be fine with buying - and actually, I did with those (digitally), that were available... And the rest? I listen to a lot of song radios to discover new songs, but I usually don't stick with them for long enough to get an attachment to throw my money at it. But you know, that's no different from listening to the Radio back in the days, as I don't remember buying each and every record of tracks that I listened to on the Radio... In the end, I think, a lot of the times arguments for and against platforms like Spotify are too black or white. Just because I listen to something on Spotify, doesn't mean I will buy it. Hearing that argument over and over... Actually chances are: I won't. Especially as I listen to a lot of International artists, it's sometimes very hard to get a hold of the songs (especially Russian ones)... And if the artists only worry is that they won't make "enough" money, even after doing all the hard work of self-promoting (you explained that very well in your video), maybe those people really shouldn't try to make that their source of income? Now with AI becoming so much better, mediocre musicans on the bigger market will probably become more or less obsolete anyway. With that said: I am working in the creative space myself, so I know the struggle of "battling" the AI... But that's a whole other can of worms. Fact is: Probably I am paying more by using Spotify, than actually "supporting" the artists and just buying the tracks by themselves. And as I even DO buy the tracks that I really like, by themselves (if available), I end up paying twice... But just having the convenience of having most of the songs that I listen to, available, all the time... Is worth the extra that I pay.

[@thomascuevas9862]

Excelente! You should keep producing your show that way.

[@LeKretch]

I think the real issue is how many parties in the music industry have their hands out.

[@EartwisterTV]

Dear god; Have you got 3 minutes to listen to a song, 40 minutes for an album, 3 minutes is a lot of time....f**k me, what a world we live in. 'Music produces a kind of pleasure which human nature cannot do without.' Confucius. You expect/ hope people will find 32 minutes to watch this video. You could listen to The Ramon's , Aretha's Lady Soul, A Hard day's Night, the list is long. Christ, in the case of the Ramones, you could do the album and have time to make a coffee. If you can't make time foe music, I truly pity you. I'm off to listen to Nick Cave's Wild God album, it's 44 minutes long though, I hope I can make it through.😢

[@crunchysteve]

❤❤❤

[@andym2612]

1:10 What inflation calculator did that guy use. I used the one called USInflationCalculator and another one called Officaldata and they both gave me exactly the same answer that said $3.90 in 1964 is equivalent to $39.67 in 2024. That's 917.1%. Still a massive rip off but do your research before showing off to the world how good American numeracy levels are.

[@debrashrider4062]

To me, unless I own a physical copy of a song or album, I dont own it.

[@jasoncravens1124]

The length of the song is not really that significant. Changing their song structures for specific, non-musical motivations is coercion. That is resulting in creative interference.

[@PRODIZZL3]

Spotify has stolen a ton from me. I am not a fan.

[@WaliG]

Keep up the good work Top Music Attorney!!

[@Hoodspacemusic]

Your content! is dope! and useful Thank you! It's always worth it spending time watching your CHANNEL. K ;)

[@l.g.duboise1448]

I really do need to get a website, I have 13 albums out since 2016 and have made 90. Some odd bucks. Then again I’m in a rather odd genre, not quite Native American flute not quite dark ambient. However it is nice to say I’m on these platforms but sometimes it would nice to have a little more shonyê (money) for my toys.

[@RealHomeRecording]

Just add some electronic elements (drums, bass, synths) to the native American flute and it's "modern". That's seriously what I'm doing with someone who does an older genre and it might just work.

[@l.g.duboise1448]

@ oh I do but one always needs more toys.

[@LyndaKraar]

If you believe in your product, do it the old fashioned way - get an email list. Speak to fans and supporters. Budget time to do customer care. Call your deserving stakeholders. Raffle off a musical instrument to your faithful followers. That builds your list. Do something for a charitable cause and make them part of the donor base. Charge them an annual fee to join your club. For that they get access to your show and perhaps one piece of your music (vinyl or CD for example). Make a private event for them. Make them feel good. Build a plan and factor in how much will be clear revenue and how much is overhead. Get an accountant. Get an attorney (!). Have a vision for your priorities, plan your work and WORK YOUR PLAN.

[@zeer0squared]

We get it! You made a song! Great!

[@crunchysteve]

Spotify is a case study in how pure capitalism always races to the bottom, only now, they're racing in high speed, nuclear powered submarines. The fundamental reason to listen to music, use any art, is for an uplift from a story or a connection with a feeling we apparently have in common with the artist. Making and using art is the ultimate human interconnection. Churches are full of art, beautiful art, connective art, but while a church is pushing a message, even as an atheist I can still appreciate the beauty of the works on display and religion's desire to elevate the human experience. When advertising controls the art, like Coke having a record label, and the manipulation is self serving, buy more of our literal poison, not community service or for genuine uplift... What's that meme from 10 years ago? The venn diagram showing 4 overlapping circles, each with a title of a dystopian novel and, in the overlap of all 4, "You are here." Spotify adds a fifth dystopian story, "Hunger Games." And yeah yeah, the poison in coke is the dose. Their sales targets on a per person basis will kill you young. Big tobacco will kill you young... And they want you to put your music on Spotify. Now that's a poison. Streamers are just venture capital robbing us and telling us their other products are fine, they won't kill you. Yes they will. secretsofthehand-bandcamp-com

[@ITSupport-q1y]

This is really interesting, thanks

[@poorsillyboy]

I love this thanks KRYSTLE & Co, I’d be sooo lost without your amazing insights 🙏thank you! What’s worse than Spotify? Apple Music? OMG!!!😱

[@XrsN]

'remain on spotify... don't own your music' was intended for listeners not artists

[@Gormanxanx]

I think he meant for the listeners who don’t own their own music, as in owning a physical copy of an artists work.

[@paavojumppanen914]

I think by "you don't own your music", he was referring to the consumer, not the producer. That is your fans don't own any physical media. He wasn't referring to copyright.

[@Bangulo]

Yeah, I always drop a song first on my bandcamp and my website first then put it on streaming a week later. why give your money to a streaming service when you can make the service come to you.

[@ray_donovan_v4]

🤷 I don't use it. I've been gathering info about it.. Thank you, for your post, though.

[@SinCityRadio2077]

The best album are mood and albums I think, Volta's Deloused, PDH Volition, Radiohead ok Computer

[@hadaldomoftir]

I love this video I recognised this and created a Patreon where I am selling my songs it really takes a lot of work to write and record a song thanks for all listeners who support indie artists like me and others

[@michaelcorbin2540tCorbin-v2d]

Wow I'll check out your song congrats

[@13adLucEnt]

I agree with your vid fully, streaming is not the way and musicians are just signing up to devalue their own work

[@Azwel]

Spotifys last couple quarters have turned a profit so perhaps we see some changes in the near future,…if the company is decent enough

[@aabe4327]

"Are we really gona be mad abut that?" Hell yes we are! Every time i run int these 2-minute songs I just add the whole artist to my blacklist. If you don't have time to listen to music, then don't.

[@MarcPlaysDrums]

Good she’s coming up on 100k. She drops a lotta game.

[@SophiesDriver]

Independent, small audience, musicians, read this! I'm not a creator. I'm a consumer. I'm the audience. You want me to listen to your music. I might like your music; if I do, I'll want to pay you directly for your music, probably on compact disc If I don't want Spotify's algorithm to tell me what I like, how do I find you? Clearly, I think Spotify sucks. Music is not background noise. Make me your fan; tell me how to buy direct from you. Your music should speak to me, should mean something real to me. Again, how do I find you?

[@clayirwinmusic1962]

clay irwin on bandcamp great music

[@svenolofandersson2572]

I am an independent music artist and in the ”good old days” I released two CDs. No record company would touch me so I used CDBaby. CDBaby is great but in the end, I only sold about 50 CDs. The costs involved were of course much higher than the revenue. Now, I distribute my music through Spotify. I still don’t make any money but costs are insignificant and I have thousands of listeners. Is that bad?

[@adrianmunevar654]

Well, if you don't care about money, that's fine I suppose. But anyways it's not fair. You SHOULD be earning something with thousands of listeners

[@svenolofandersson2572]

@@adrianmunevar654 If every two-bit musician with a few hundred or maybe a thousand listeners should get paid, Spotify would immediately refuse them.

[@macuniverse9046]

can you do a terms and condition vid on the new plugin sauceware spawn?

[@Jime0326]

Thank you.

[@cjc363636]

Most time-periods have similar sounds, trends, etc. As a technological artform, recorded music has always been influenced by the technical/business side in whatever time is in question. Radio drove it in the 60s and 70s, then MTV, and currently streaming. Is it worse? For me, it's just different.

[@cjc363636]

And algorithm-derived marketing 'tricks' is perhaps not quite as sketch as the payola-driven long-ago when record labels literally bribed radio hits into existence with money, hot 'friends', and drugs.

[@edexter97]

I may have just been shadowbaned by google music... I am not sure but they do not have my album on the side like they had. Maybe someone who blocked me on x because I offered to let her move in with me if trump won and she didin't take it well. Hopefully it is just some normal rotation in google but that hurts after all the time I spent to put a couple of albums together for them to take my spot from me.

[@FabricioMTL]

The problème is the Rocord label

[@edexter97]

If I want to protest my situation or whatever I am not paying Spotify anything and they are only relevant for the search engine as far as I can tell.. I did offer a small blogger $5 to set up a station and link it though. part as donation to the vlogger and partially as advertising.

[@sadmancaves]

I get the impression that a lot of these people doing these video essays don't go to a hell of a lot of shows, local and otherwise. I'm still seeing shitloads of people in their early 20s at shows deeply and loyally into artists. And buying physical media and merch. I don't think thats going anywhere. Same things with record stores, plenty of zooms there too. Also if you're averaging ticket prices from GA to corporate booths and vip tickets of course the average price of the ticket is going to be a grand, thats how averaging works. The majority of ticket prices however is muuuuch lower. And thats for taytay, Jeff rosenstock still cost me a reasonable 70 australian. Mclusky cost me 50 and the taxpayers cost me 25.

[@WaliG]

Spotify needs to figure out its financial strategy ....by actually not robbing artists...and giving them a financial path....artists will be more inclined to keep producing. Everyone is better off.

[@michaelcorbin2540tCorbin-v2d]

Your unique awesome 👍 Heard your song

[@clayirwinmusic1962]

clay irwin on bandcamp great music

[@henrievery-3eye]

If I drop dead today I will hopefully have a chance to remember before I drifted off knowing I never had a BS Spotify account, or any other seriously who didn't see all this coming? Anyway I think you are totally right about a lot of points and yeah this Ai emulation and other copyright laws need to be updated pronto to protect us blood-bag humans cause we ultimately supply the money

[@caseyjones3522]

Lars was right

[@Saint.questions]

If a song is really interesting 8 minutes flys by! If it's boring, 3 minutes will very long. Quality over quantity i say. This coming from someone who spent their days combing through lp and cds/tapes. Waiting for album drop days and singles on the radios. 😂

[@victorcharles27]

800 subscribers left till you hit 100k🎉

[@zackcarty4790]

I have lots of intellectual property, music just being a part of this, but I cannot figure out how to turn it into $... need help... lots of $ to be made off my brains since that car wreck...

[@edexter97]

I don't think Spotify promotes you as much as youtube and rumble, It seems to give me spots in the search engine though.

[@igorjakobsen1694]

my band makes 10 usd each time we release a full album. that's all we make until we release a new album 3 years later...

[@TopMusicAttorney]

Have you considered becoming your own record label? [e-mail]

[@igorjakobsen1694]

@@TopMusicAttorney I guess we kind of are our own label already. the problem is to be come our own distributer as well (both to streaming services and for physical distribution)

[@stay.in.school.]

dont forget clive davis made sure prince got a hot dose, it's not just spotify lol, i heard WB and fruity loops will straight off you like a light switch.

[@jonathanvince8173]

I have never used Spotify or other platforms for Music or to buy from and certainly not from EBAY. I like buying artists records or CDs as got The warning Album it is so good great meaning Lyrics in their songs. But what I really Like is Live bands singers not the ones that mime lip sync backing tracks and auto tune for one those are not live and the other it sounds bad really Bad and disappointing. Which is why I don't like Oasis or did not go to see Taylor. At this time the best bands to see are not massive Liiliac, Slady, Zepparella, Samantha Fish, Chantel McGregor. Black Sabbitch, Quarter Past Three, The Mez, Beyond the Sons, Colt Clark and his Quarantine Kids yes they play live gigs, Strange Kind of Women, Thunder struck, Mary Spender, of course The Warning, And there is a Black Female metal band I forget their name who are amazing, just like all the bands I mentioned are amazing.

[@northernbrother1258]

Was it ever easier for the small artist to break through?

[@erikavery1105]

I WILL NOT RELEASE ANY OF MY MUSIC ON SPOTIFY EVER!!!!!✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

[@guitaristssuck8979]

It's been said for years but everyday thousands of delusional artists assume it's gonna help them, crowding the spotify cemetery.

[@claytondenton2385]

There's no easy way in life Anyone who says otherwise is trying to fool you into giving them your wealth and time

[@caseyjones3522]

@@claytondenton2385 "There's no easy way in life" sure there is. you just have to born into wealth or connections. you realize how much of the music industry is nepotism?

[@matsfrommusic]

If people could be a little more sensible, as a consumer maybe value art a little more, and artist too, you don't have to make millions, just enough to make a life go around.

[@matsfrommusic]

What bugs me about these platforms which btw includes BandCamp and alike, is the inability to do advanced searches on specific sub genres and to be tagged as such. Because that leaves nothing left to the independent/alternative creators and it shows just how little they care about those with lower streaming rates. I couldn't care less what Spotify's algoritms render as similar or related, but at least leave some option for those who's not into Drake or Justin Beiber.

[@deepstructure]

Sorry, but the direct-to-consumer model is a complete non-starter and just like Spotify, will only work for a select few. It seems to be a popular meme idea floating around with KZbinrs, but it makes zero practical sense.

[@deantiquisetnovis]

Even Apple pays artists better than Spotify!

[@SinewaveSinatra]

To all the artists glorifying physical sales, why don't you just integrate shopify to spotify? I imagine it's because you wouldn't get a single sale? That's why I don't have it set up on any of my pages, and I get over 100,000 streams a day collectively. My point is you can demonize the pay rates all you want, but fantasising about magically finding 200 super fans to spend cash on one item, when they already spend money to click a link for it is just naive. Before streaming, the only way you got iTunes sales was if you went viral, or were established enough to get sales. Before iTunes, or the internet, you had to, you guessed it! Be established! Sounds to me like the only issue is artists don't understand that putting your music on Spotify is no different than trying to convince strangers to pay to see you live in person. If physical sales were so lucrative more people would do it. Yet..,.they don't, as they all learn real quickly that to get 100s of physical sales you need a large fanbase OR a massive advertising budget.

[@RealHomeRecording]

Yep. I do not see musicians hustling. Where are the viral videos of them banging on the doors of radio stations? Where are the videos of them going to the Taylor Swift concerts and handing out their fliers? If you think someone is just going to magically come and listen to your music when there are a million other choices then you have something to learn in life! You need to go where the music fans are.

[@Anco]

Of course you need some fans, but if one buys a digital copy, you will get instantly a great reward, instead of streaming where someone has to stream to song over a long period of time before you will see the same return. If it does not work for the music you make, does not say that it is a bad tactic. I bought CD's and stuff while I still had my spotify account, yes, less than before I had spotify, but I still bought some. Strangely some people want to support people if they like their work. And if I go to small venue with bands, most of the time they have physical media. So I guess it does work.. I think people see physical media now also a bit as merch. Something nice to showcase. This was also happening iTunes, sell some merch and music at a small gig you are playing. Of course you need people that like your music, and for that they need to hear you, and that is not easy. And I won´t claim that playing little gigs and selling merch there will pay the bills. But while you are working on getting more fans and if you can get some revenue out of selling physical media or digital online, why not? For me, if I come home with a CD of a band, I am much more likely to listen to it later and look them up again than if I have followed them on spotify of instagram, and they are drowning in the algorithm.

[@sumsumab1809]

Uhm.. 3.90$ would be ≈ 50$ in 2024

[@justinsayin3979]

I think he was talking about U.S. dollars and not pesos; the dollar sign is written before the numeral in English. But you're right that the calculation was way off. $3.30 in 1964 would be about $38 in 2023. Still his point about the exponential difference in prices is sound.

[@JacenGyde-wl7gj]

1000 to see Taylor swift lip sync to bad music wow I'm sold not

[@ThereWillBeCake]

Not a real lawer.

[@crunchysteve]

Spotify is a case study in how pure capitalism always races to the bottom, only now, they're racing in high speed, nuclear powered submarines. The fundamental reason to listen to music, use any art, is for an uplift from a story or a connection with a feeling we apparently have in common with the artist. Making and using art is the ultimate human interconnection. Churches are full of art, beautiful art, connective art, but while a church is pushing a message, even as an atheist I can still appreciate the beauty of the works on display and religion's desire to elevate the human experience. When advertising controls the art, like Coke having a record label, and the manipulation is self serving, buy more of our literal poison, not community service or for genuine uplift... What's that meme from 10 years ago? The venn diagram showing 4 overlapping circles, each with a title of a dystopian novel and, in the overlap of all 4, "You are here." Spotify adds a fifth dystopian story, "Hunger Games." And yeah yeah, the poison in come is the dose. Their sales targets on a per person basis will kill you young. Big tobacco will kill you young... And they want you to put your music on Spotify. Now that's a poison. Streamers are just venture capital robbing us and telling us their other products are fine, they won't kill you. Yes they will. secretsofthehand-bandcamp-com