Lawyer Tells Vegan He Boiled Lobster Alive

[@HumaneHancock]

My video covering the boiling of lobsters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnOoZqxprZ2Ae6c Why rewilding might be a bad thing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqennYykeMqdfs0

[@Daz19]

Very good video, have you been studying street epistemology? I think it would have been interesting to see how his placement on the scale would have changed if he was to grant for arguments sake that a plant based diet was nutritionally sufficient and healthy.

[@beyondgreen9772]

Seeing they way you talk in this video, especially about the scale 1-10, I wonder if you've read and are practicing Stijn Bruers writing on deep canvassing for animal rights.

[@bazza5699]

what a fascinating conversation.. I thought his recollection of the lobster was very moving, the claw coming out of the water when he lifted the lid.. I think personally I'd have massive amount of guilt if I'd done that. The fact that he recognised it and vowed he'd never do it again was refreshingly honest.

[@TheElelphanti]

Making people vegan is an art, and Jack is an artist :x

[@darwinsiu3913]

You are totally right is really hard to turn peoples into vegan but this guy is so good 💚

[@TheElelphanti]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 I think we can witness act of kindness from time to time. Believing that we are constantly deceived is not healthy. Relax man, it is okay.

[@ChaseAvior]

He was really honest and open-minded! It's great that he wants to watch more of your videos to keep working out these ideas in his head. The animals need more lawyers.

[@isaacperal9778]

You can really tell that this outreach works because of the mutual respect between you and the man. So impressive…

[@samanthuel8746]

Such a great conversation! I love how thoughtful this guy was with answering every question. He sounded very sincere and genuine, too.

[@kattihatt]

The ending where he wanted you to give him restaurant recommendations, was just beautiful.

[@av6500]

I wish you would have addressed 1. Humans need meat for protein 2. Canines tho Getting the facts would have potentially made him question his actions more… realizing they are not necessary.

[@LC-gs6qv]

I think he would normally have done so but this seems to be a different approach he's adopted in this last batch of videos, where his thought provoking questions are encouraging the subjects to reflect on their views. Seems to be really effective, but I must admit, I do prefer the old techniques he used.

[@av6500]

@@LC-gs6qv Yes, you’re right he is using a new technique. However, common preconceptions can hinder a person from thinking more critically. The lawyer believing he needs animal protein for survival limits his thinking at welfare /suffering.

[@niek024]

Yeah, the protein seemed to be a very important argument for him.

[@LC-gs6qv]

@@av6500 I agree 👍

[@mattpastro3247]

Jack has great respect for the people he is interviewing and their ability to join the dots. I have little doubt that this lawyer will start looking into this himself and find these facts out. Once you step into the rabbit hole there is no turning back. As a teacher I can say with great authority that connections are best made when we discover them for ourselves rather than having someone point them out for us.

[@heleen313]

Apparently this subject finally got attention of the mainstream. Our Dutch minister of agriculture has last week agreed to a request of the Party for the Animals that the practice of cooking lobsters and crabs alive must stop🙏💚. She is also going to try and get agreement on EU level. Finally times are changing. Still disturbing that someone seemingly emphatic like this lawyer still eats animals after the experience with the lobster. It was already traumatic to me only imagining it😥

[@guy-iw2qh]

You're on a next level

[@allandm]

This is an interesting way to get people to think about it. But I'm surprised you didn't comment when he said 'we need animals for protein'.

[@RatchetPo]

in the beginning he was giving me bill clinton “It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.” vibes

[@LoowheezeBreeze]

14:05 "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened" - Anatole France

[@Hope00Love]

But you can be vegan even if you don't really love animals.

[@skeptyka]

@@Hope00Love It's a requirement to love them enough not to buy products that harm them

[@Hope00Love]

@@skeptyka I guess it depends on your definition of love. I wouldn't say that I love most humans, but I still don't want them to suffer.

[@skeptyka]

@@Hope00Love Yes, I wasn't quite right with my reply. Perhaps a better word is "care". Although we may not love others, we care enough not to want to inflict suffering on them.

[@henrywalton5967]

Be careful with conflating compassion with empathy.

[@lambrettabarnes7799]

I don't think any of us will ever forget the lobster story .... nasty stuff .... not sure if freezing them is any better..... honest guy ... honest interview

[@Ineedtorecover]

Bro, Your content lately is fantastic, I'm glued, Well done indeed.

[@zamin_ali]

This was a great conversation. I'm glad this person was able to speak with you and give honest responses. I do think that the lobster he killed does affect his outlook. Any lobster can feel pain and experience the world around him/her. Lobster definitely did not want to die by being boiled. If I put myself in his shoes I would probably not have been able to eat the lobster after seeing that. I believe that this person has above average intelligence and when he looks into his food choices he will go Vegan for the animals. 🙏

[@mt1745]

I really enjoyed listening to that conversation! Wow. I wish he could have stuck around for longer! Good find!

[@goodlad1961]

Very interesting conversation. I liked how this person was able to recognize his mistakes

[@RatchetPo]

One of these days your channel is going to blow up. I guarantee it.

[@Hope00Love]

What a thoughtful conversation. Well done! I'm so impressed with this technique. Absolutely loved him asking for restaurant recs at the end. I'm sure he will keep reflecting on this conversation for a long time.

[@jaronhall]

Dude sounds like Richard Dawkins

[@LouisGedo]

2:28 *BOOOOM* That's basically the crux of the issue.

[@robertc8933]

I thought the lawyer guy was scary. He was so detached from emotion. Seemed psychopathic.

[@docbegone1716]

Great vid! Loved the honesty. I did find that you were just a little reserved, once he told you he was a lawyer. He could have tried to dance around your questions, but again, I loved his apparent honesty

[@Jdman5000]

I find it baffling when apparently intelligent people argue that human beings can not live without any animal products when there are hundreds of thousands of healthy vegans around the world doing just that!!! How strange

[@80slimshadys]

Tens of millions* of healthy vegans around the world

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 and? How does the number of another group determine the health of vegans?

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Thx for yet another irrelevant attention grab. Good for you pal 👍

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Thx. You too.

[@andres_camarillo]

It seems to me that the reason for holding that belief is not lack of inteligence, but simply not having put much thought into this. Most people will accept that they were initially wrong about this once you explain.

[@davidberger8420]

This was a wonderful conversation. You're a great voice for the voiceless.

[@tobygosling1653]

Great interview and very intelligent person

[@KyouUkaru]

This is incredible. Watching these reminds me I need to have more patience and positivity when discussing veganism with others.

[@samwingender]

I wouldn't want to be boiled alive. Why not just eat oatmeal?

[@GarudaLegends]

oatmeal is gross. lobster is delicious and nutritious

[@henrywalton5967]

@@GarudaLegends would you rather be boiled alive and eaten or would you prefer someone to eat something else instead?

[@GarudaLegends]

@@henrywalton5967 who or what is "someone"‽

[@henrywalton5967]

@@GarudaLegends We can just say it's a cannibal human. Should they eat you because they like the way you taste? Or eat something else?

[@GarudaLegends]

@@henrywalton5967 how did we go from humans eating lobster, to humans eating humans? do you lust over human flesh?

[@Steetotal]

There were two major barriers that required more intervention: (1) the conviction that the only way to obtain *flavour* was to consume animals; (2) the belief that in order to get *protein* he needed to consume animals. The fact he asked for vegan restaurants recommendations at the end was a great sign that he is now willing to challenge barrier number 1. Thank you, Jack! ✌

[@timphanyswimchester1227]

Less is. more

[@bauabh]

Such an amazing conversation. Awesome work Jack

[@zodd67]

Aw just watched the whole thing, I think the lawyer's heart is in the right place and is obviously very smart just lacking nutritional info about nutrients in a plant based diet (I was there once too)

[@The_W3st_Is_The_B3st]

These conversations have been a great format. I think there is place for more confrontational as well, I changed my life drastically because of more confrontational approaches, so there are definitely people that respond well to that (I am also thick skin so I don't mind being challenged), but this format is probably the most suited to most of the people.

[@PlantPoweredDad]

By far one of the best debates ove seen so far on KZbin! "It won't change my mind on what I have for lunch... But also do you have any recommendations for a good vegan restaurant" I think this gent got it... He just doesn't know it yet

[@jackmichaelpeter]

His story about the lobster is more horrifying than his story of death row.

[@maryama1752]

Great questions to make them analyse their stands on their consumption Keep it up Jack!!!

[@garibaldi54]

Maybe its the rural people who have a 'warped' perspective.

[@TomatoPotatoWapato]

Wonderful conversation to the both of you!

[@Pian0Arpeggi0s]

Very open minded and productive conversation! Loved the ending that he requested some vegan restaurant suggestions 🌱

[@misty_oar]

"and I do need protein" said the lawyer, smugly.

[@silviofta]

If only we had something widely available and affordable like legumes... Vegan btw

[@GiriColnat]

"I often thinked." -a lawyer

[@OptimisticSeal]

Nice conversation

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

For an intelligent man, he seems hung up on the good old protein (non)argument. Weird.

[@vegangames3468]

I told my lobster that I boiled my lawyer alive. My lobster went meh.

[@aidancunningham2052]

Top work Jack, keep it up!

[@andrewchackochen8585]

I don't know why you say you're not trying to change his mind at the beginning. That's exactly what you're trying to do as a vegan activist. There's nothing wrong with trying change somone's mind to prevent atrocities from happening.

[@dlalchannel]

No nothing wrong with it. But if you think the other person is trying to change your mind you're much likely to get defensive.

[@dlalchannel]

Brilliant as always.

[@veghunter5949]

Planting seeds Jack.

[@maomao180]

Intellectually honest person could be vegan in the future.

[@Assassin99584]

Intelligent people don’t fall for cults

[@SNinjaQK]

@@Assassin99584 Only stupid people join the cult of carnism.

[@Assassin99584]

@@SNinjaQK carnism doesn’t exist it’s just one of the many things your cult has made up therefore proving how brainwashed you are

[@JamieTwells]

@@Assassin99584 why do you say it's a cult?

[@Assassin99584]

@@JamieTwells because it is

[@NELSONandWIGGLES]

Yes as a child I saw lobsters desperately try & hang on to people as they start to get closer to the boiling water..the adults just laughed, giggled, and screamed.

[@zodd67]

Those are some serious gloves Jack!

[@Human_Herbivore]

He wants to be seen as smart but, whilst being able to recognise suffering and emotion, he also mentioned protein (twice), canines. 😱

[@kennykenny6896]

Lobsters might attack and eat each other if they are trapped in the same small tank (which is why their claws are banded together in the supermarket), but this behavior has never been witnessed in the wild before.

[@HumaneHancock]

Here’s a wild lobster eating lobster babies: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnq5epyjqquYrJo

[@michabojas8845]

Great conversation

[@martaso643]

i admire you SO much Jack... I wish I could learn your communication and social skills. Thank you for what you do for the animals, and for everyone (because going vegan is good for humans too!)

[@alexwray6173]

Good to see some street epistemology.

[@yokolinaki]

Great conversation!!!

[@bornufree]

We still live in a world where some persons think it’s okay to boil a lobster alive That’s depressing… so much for moral progress

[@dlalchannel]

The number of people who think that is smaller and smaller each day!

[@HousePeople]

Great conversation. Hope you sent him off to try Mildred's!

[@kaminosystem]

Interesting conversation! Thank you!

[@julianw7097]

Sadly “The Vegan Lawyer” is already taken.

[@jaridevlieghere4263]

This is the best way to make people think about there dietry choices. No find a way to do it on a mass scale :)

[@timphanyswimchester1227]

The best way would be to convince the movement to replace the ubiquitous 'angry Yourofski' style outreach with this .

[@silviofta]

@@timphanyswimchester1227 Yourofsky isn't angry, he's passionate.

[@timphanyswimchester1227]

@@silviofta Yeah , and black is white , up is down .

[@jobloggs8022]

your teeth that you call canines were once called your eye teeth, they are a poor excuse for canines. The animal with the largest canines is the hippopotamus, just because you have teeth that you decide to call canines does not mean that you are a carnivore

[@danielbarber9423]

Yes facinating, even though he kind of understood the companion side of the human contion , heart over head . But he seemed to think we need animal protein, he would logical go vegan , with the facts. So his head was saying, I can't go vegan untill I'm sure I can live on plants alone. He understands compassion . Theoretically. Yet a big hearted person would go vegan , straight away, no theory needed.

[@LC-gs6qv]

Wow. Unbelievable result 👏👏👏

[@jdmmg4904]

I'm glad this man is open to rethink his actions ♥️

[@lorah3005]

👍 #BoycottMeat and all other animal products of cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!

[@x-latetv-x6816]

No

[@jonjonwp]

Protein???? I guess he is intelligent. but knows nothing about nutrition.

[@garibaldi54]

Intelligence is subjective.

[@ldthap1716]

@@garibaldi54 says the dummy.

[@garibaldi54]

@@ldthap1716 Are you claiming it isn't?

[@user-dv2yc3si8r]

he is too smug in his identity as an intelligent thoughtful lawyer

[@Jdman5000]

Although I enjoy watching Jack’s videos I personally don’t think this conversational approach is as effective as when he was more direct. It is a nice chat but when he used to use the Socratic method more directly in specific scenarios , asking people to ‘name the trait’ etc people seemed to generally question their position. This guy for example summed it up- “nice conversation but it’s not going to change what I order in the Japanese restaurant.”

[@lukedrewry6509]

Totally agreed, for these conversations to have positive outcomes, it’s important to hold them to account for their actions. As soon as the conversation began to get uncomfortable Rick was quite sharp in letting Jack know his hands were cold and that he had to go soon, translation: he was beginning to become impatient and felt uncomfortable because his actions were close to being held to account.

[@kaminosystem]

It might not change him this second, but being exposed to a different point of view over time/on multiple occasions is definitely a good tool for change that comes from within. I don't think it's always a good thing to pick apart every argument someone makes. That can make someone resentful - rather than curious to make an autonomous decision to change.

[@timphanyswimchester1227]

We've seen countless examples of NTT hopelessly failing . Give it up already. NTT has never achieved anything but getting people's backs up . Aggressively asking people a convoluted rhetorical question has proven itself to be terrible outreach.

[@Hope00Love]

I think there's very little activism that's going to instantly change someone's mind. If there is a shock factor (like graphic videos) they may want to change in the moment, but that feeling will probably go away fairly quickly. I think the man in this video will probably reflect on the conversation for a long time afterwards. Maybe he will start to question his choices more, and eventually come to a different conclusion.b

[@Jdman5000]

@@Hope00Love in my opinion he won’t reflect on the conversation ( I could be wrong) because he was not challenged. What is there to reflect on ? It was as he himself said a pleasant conversation which he enjoyed but it didn’t seem to pull at his consciousness or challenge his choices which would cause him to reflect

[@elmoscosocratico8129]

Great work Jack ! Personally I Would have touched on the subject of necessity. And asked how can we morally justify killing animals if we don't need to? As you know that works haha. But this deep canvasing technique Is also facinating

[@Assassin99584]

Need is irrelevant as need doesn’t dictate actions anywhere in life and that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s objectively beneficial

[@Assassin99584]

@ exactly

[@zodd67]

It's interesting but people may leave thinking they still need protein or other nutrient so carry on.

[@JB-he1jt]

Just because you have a degree in any other field other than whole foods plant based nutrition your are just as naive as any one of us before going vegan!!

[@jonas3590]

Great conversation, great work. I think he needs a bit more slap on the wrist tho. He seems very against animal abuse(hurting or killing animals when unecessary) But at the same time has no problem mentioning he will continue to pay for animal abuse even after the interview. He would be such a cute warm hearted vegan, he has the heart and soul at the right place but it's currently somewhat blocked because of certain beliefs and the animals are suffering because of it. let go and open up friend.

[@robbiehamilton447]

Dude loves the sound of his own voice

[@wanderingdreamer26]

It’s pretty soothing lol

[@mike02439]

Leave crabs and lobsters overnight in fresh water . The crabs and lobsters will clense themselves and will be stunned after a few hours

[@daddyleon]

11:38 lol, such a setreotypical 'lawyer thing to say': to care if some other living being suffers is irrational.

[@whoareyou4346]

Good Job, Jack and* Basel!

[@Кенжетайұлы]

KZbin is hiding your videos?? I can't see your new videos on my recommendation also not that I have only subscribed to few people

[@jackmichaelpeter]

You can get more than enough protein from plants

[@CBT5777]

Just being born and forced to live life is painful. No one asked to be here. Just knowing life feeds on life is sick no matter what lifeform is being hurt. This world is disgusting. I have much respect for vegans though I have not the will power to start the vegan lifestyle at this time in my life.

[@suncentury7020]

Farming Animals needs to be illegal Worldwide .

[@carsonc7320]

Have you been learning street epistemology?

[@HumaneHancock]

Yes 😊

[@Trolloftruth]

A lawyer and a vegan walk into a bar... Where is a random shooter when ya need one?

[@jackmichaelpeter]

The animal with the biggest canines are herbivores. A fruit bat has bigger canines than we do.

[@Assassin99584]

Aka you have no idea what you are talking about

[@michaelwatts5481]

Are we really natural meat eaters? The human body has alkaline saliva, sweat and urine. IT's the same for herbivores. Omnivores have acidic saliva, sweat and urine. Human brain runs on glycogen, not fats and proteins like omnivores. Our stomach capacity isn't nearly as llarge as true omnivores. We can't pierce the flesh of an animal with our bare teeth, even though herbivores like rhinos, hippos, deer, camels and baboons have canines much larger and sharper than ours.

[@cultofscriabin9547]

I'm not sure about the question "why does animal suffering matter to you ?", in most cases, I don't think interesting answers can be given to it. It just seems to be a brute fact about human psychology that many people care about animal or human suffering.

[@lambrettabarnes7799]

I think that the question is aimed at making the person think rather than warrant an actual answer bud

[@Hope00Love]

I actually find it really interesting. You can take their answer and use it to question if and why they think that some suffering is ok. Maybe they'll find that they actually think all suffering should be avoided.

[@skeptyka]

However, for some reason it is consistantly asked of non-vegans to explain this brute fact of not caring about animal suffering enough to not purchase animal products. Can't really give any answers since it's not a conscious choice to care about anything.

[@spanishDoll1]

I hope they "Go to sleep"

[@Catofminerva]

Personally I don't like the scripted questions and would rather you follow up on the logical entailments that their answers commits them to. It seems like you let them get away with factual errors and fallacious reasoning to just move on with your script.

[@Hope00Love]

Most likely it's not the factual claims that's keeping this man from being vegan. Most meat eaters probably eat meat out of habit and culture. Statements like "protein tho" or "nature tho" seem to me more like people trying to rationalize their behavior after the fact. So even if you debunk one point, they'll still have other reasons.

[@nathanielg.m.888]

[@veganworldorder9394]

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[@srikkdoc]

Proteinnnñnnnnnnnnnnn🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Yavor-Karapetrov]

Great :)

[@chegobego7930]

Niceee

[@AR-15-685]

Meat! Meat! Meat! Meat! Meat! Meat! Meat! Meat! Vegans are lawn mowers.

[@Trolloftruth]

We had lobster 🦞 just yesterday!! Picked "it" out of a tank!! (Sorry gender police, I can't tell sex of lobster) drawn butter, little garlic powder mix...well worth it!

[@Celestina0]

For you, not for the lobster

[@Trolloftruth]

@@Celestina0 lobster life, but you're right!! Good for me definitely!!

[@Celestina0]

@@Trolloftruth do you ever consider the interests of others? Or do you only act self servingly?

[@Trolloftruth]

@@Celestina0 I usually consider the intrest of family, friends, neighbors...we usually share food during cookouts and special occasions Turkey AND ham already purchased for Christmas!!

[@rupert909]

@@Trolloftruth for Christmas I'm going to adopt a dog from the shelter and boil it alive for dinner. I've already picked out the dog (feisty little Yorkshire terrier) but everyone around me keeps telling me not to do it 😔 what should I tell them to make them realise its delicious?

[@x-latetv-x6816]

You need to right his name down so u won't forget, must be the vegan brain fog

[@GarudaLegends]

humans are omnivores. no need to feel bad for offing a plant or lobster for food. we do need plant and animals to be raised in the best conditions, for better quality food.

[@rupert909]

Humans are murderers too! We've been murdering other tribes and people since the dawn of our existence. I'm with you bro, forget morals.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@rupert909 what does me eating eggs have to do with a human killing another human? are you drunk

[@rupert909]

@@GarudaLegends ??? You said humans are omnivores so you shouldn't feel bad for eating meat... I agree with you buddy! I just pointed out humans are murderers too, so therefore you shouldn't feel bad about murdering people. These vegans are crazy, they don't understand logic like the rest of us.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@rupert909 i am against humans murdering other ppl. dont see what that has to do with me eating food? are you drinking the eggnog early?

[@rupert909]

@@GarudaLegends "humans are omnivores. no need to feel bad for offing a plant or lobster for food." humans are killers, no need to feel bad for offing a person. i've described to you many times now how i'm using your logic. i agree with your logic. if humans are naturally rapists, killers, omnivores etc. then you should not feel bad for doing those things. we both are using the same logic bro, it's these vegans that don't understand human nature.

[@pigsareasintelligentasdogs4093]

Daamn...