Stubborn Meat Eater Challenged by Vegan Activist

[@mynameisnat1]

Lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy Lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy lack of empathy oh my word.

[@Ineedtorecover]

the apathy at the beginning was killing me, but his honesty was admirable, I have high hopes for this logical fella, and you killed it with the last couple of questions, the ten-minute headache is being logged for future reference, loved it.

[@joelee4119]

Just WOW. The last few videos has been some of the best and honest conversations about veganism ever. Great job!!

[@thebowandbullet]

"If it's cheaper to be a vegan, I'll be a vegan." I have great news for you, buddy. It is, cheaper! Plus, it doesn't intentionally cost the lives of sentient beings (the worst cost).

[@darwinsiu3913]

True

[@MusiKo14]

If we included the social/environmental costs of meat in its price, that alone would make veganism enormously cheaper.

[@kattihatt]

Meat is also subsidised in most countries.

[@thebowandbullet]

@@kattihatt 💯

[@thebowandbullet]

@@MusiKo14 Exactly. Any way you look at it, veganism is the best choice.

[@dracdraconeia8150]

REALLY WELL DONE JACK! I particularly like the end where you asked the 10 min headache/ 10 min pleasure part which led into blissful ignorance. I have to say that I really like this style of activism. Asking questions, and getting people to think and connect with their personal moral system and values. Absolutely loving this content.

[@ChaseAvior]

Some of your best outreach tools are your humor and your laugh which help your conversation partner feel more comfortable and willing to smile. Your uplifting attitude is contagious and can motivate people to see the best in themselves and others which can give them a boost of confidence to make the change. Education + Motivation

[@thebowandbullet]

I'm always baffled when people bring up 'organic' when discussing the ethics of animal ag. Organic products have nothing to do with animal ethics; they're strictly about human health and the environment.

[@kattihatt]

I dont think he even knows what organic means.

[@ADDthroughmusic]

I think it's because you're injecting animals with stuff so organic is technically less suffering for the animal.

[@Celestina0]

I’m now super repulsed by the word. Its a way of pretending something’s wholesome even when it involves animal abuse

[@kattihatt]

@@Celestina0 its sort of like the word ”sustainable”.

[@caseyburger9864]

They think the terms "organic" and "free-range" mean anything when they're more or less just marketing terms. The animals don't care either way

[@Crazycolorz5]

I like the 10 minute headache question. Not only does it seem ludicrous to not take the 10 minute headache, but such intuitions are only strengthened by then passing it through the asymmetry of pleasure and pain, making it seem even more ludicrous to pick the 10 minutes of mild pleasure. I'd love to see that thought experiment refined and used/discussed more.

[@djwoodymusic]

Great conversation, the '10 minute headache button' scenario and its follow up was a really clever move, that finally got him thinking about his hypocrisy 👊

[@LukeTheringMusic]

“People should try the whole ‘honesty’ thing” - haha love it

[@keithh23]

I can appreciate meat-eater honesty during debates rather that ridiculous reasoning and excuses. Someone who is honest with their part in animal suffering is more likely to except veganism down the road. You don't have to love animals to empathize with their suffering. And, in addition, recognize that it doesn't take much for you not to participate in the suffering.

[@spatrk6634]

he literally says that he likes animals that suffer if its going to feed him. he is never going to be a vegan.

[@keithh23]

@@spatrk6634 there are a significant amount of vegans that said, at one time, that they could never give up meat. Many point to a delayed realization days, months, or years after being introduced to vegan arguments. It took me 25 years for it to make sense to me, morally.

[@spatrk6634]

@@keithh23 only reason why people go vegan is if they are sad that animals need to die for meat they eat. thats the only reason. hence vegans only appear for a short while before going back to eating meat. and they are always from cities. city kids disconnected from reality and nature. i lived on a farm as a kid, killing a chicken and eating that chicken for lunch same day is perfectly normal thing to me. you either do that or eat corn all day, every day. orrrrrr, you feed the corn to chickens, and eat chickens and their eggs.. ohhh when my grandfathers goats would get too old for milk. oooh that was a feast. i remember going with my great grandmother to milk the goats, and hoping that one is too old for it. greatest memories of my life. morals are subjective. world is not black and white. there are no only pure good and pure evil actions.... no matter how hard you hope that you can talk about morals behind eating an animal, that argument wont help you. same as it doesnt help to convince religious people that just because bible or quran says that stoning of gay people is moral. it doesnt mean it is. but to some people. its perfectly moral. to them, it would be immoral to not stone gay people arguments out of morality are pointless. someones subjective idea of what they consider to be good actions vs bad action.. do you kill mosquitos? or do you feed them? what do you think it would be moral thing to do?

[@keithh23]

@@spatrk6634 I would argue that many farmers are more disconnected from reality. They'll say things like animals give their lives for us, they don't feel pain or suffering, they live a good life, etc. Its the only way to justify it in their hearts. Yes, morality is subjective. But inconsistent morality in oneself is called hypocrisy. Saying morality is subjective like the way you're using it can be an excuse for doing anything immoral like stealing, rape, murder, etc. If questioned, all that you have to say is, "my morality says its not a bad thing." Saying animal abuse is wrong and should be punished is inconsistent, morally,, with eating animals when you're best argument is that you like the taste. Pest control is a different argument that has its own justifications or solutions. The animals we eat and wear are not coming after us.

[@andres_camarillo]

I know everyone already said this but the 10 minute headache hypothetical was so good

[@macombus269]

I would never let my children near someone that is indifferent to suffering.

[@Innocence44]

he clearly hasnt suffered enough yet, and lol but going to the gym is not what is generally meant when the problem of it is discussed.

[@Mr.Cupcake]

He's not indifferent, he likes it ;)

[@Killa_Zman20]

I spent the whole video shaking my head probably more than I ever have before.

[@Broyt-un-Royzn]

Fantastic interview, I'm really really loving this SE-style approach Jack! I think this might be my favorite one so far, because your conversation partner was so willing to be completely open and honest and didn't get defensive at all. Obviously your conversation style facilitates that, so kudos :)

[@CeravvvEgan]

People are hard to reach and hard to change. I’m grateful that I got there just by watching some documentaries. The debates strengthen my resolve that I’ve made the right choice.

[@jim348]

Gotta love this guys honesty

[@MM-um7pt]

Great conversation, I hope one day he can be honest with himself too

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

Just in time for lunch. Let's see how logical this guy is gonna be!

[@VeganV5912]

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[@pixelated.peachyangel]

He's going back and forth between dissonance and compassion

[@veganvaudeville309]

so refreshing to see the honesty and then admit his own hypocrisy. excellent debate

[@mcjulia2855]

Not only are dogs and pigs morally equal, but humans and animals are too

[@anthonymclean1918]

The last 5 minutes was really nicely done, loved how it ended! Impressive conversational skills 😃

[@jay13thstep]

Oh this guy was great. So refreshing to hear someone being honest in a conversation as opposed to the psycho Sv3rige types that we usually have to deal with. I don’t think he’ll ever go vegan, but he is at least sympathetic to it and will at least acknowledge his hypocrisies. Brilliant conversation Jack this was great - wish you could find more like this!

[@myblueheaven4424]

About 22 minutes in he realizes he is "losing" , his ego kicks back in and he starts to become provocative.

[@heleen313]

Amazing how you handled this Jack.. much respect! I often find myself lost in these debates ..hopefully some of your approach will stick 🙏💗

[@davidberger8420]

Dude I'm loving these conversations. Keep up the great work.

[@TheVictimsPerspective]

I love the honesty but these are the kind of people that really need to back it up with action. I get alot of people "agreeing" with me to feel good about themselves with no intention of actually doing anything. Actions determine values.

[@RatchetPo]

my guy dropping new content on the daily, well done

[@drpancake4103]

Knocked it outa park again Jack, keep up the amazing work

[@guy-iw2qh]

The end was cool, good conversation!

[@niek024]

'Maybe it's me being selfish'. Maybe, yes. He was honoust though :-)

[@Matheus-si8vq]

What an amazing conversation

[@camtyler3576]

"I'm wondering if" Jack is trying any new socratic questioning phrases and terms? I'm just wondering...

[@RodKruz]

I wish I could get this type of conversations. There's a lot to learn from you, man.

[@Schrodinger_]

This guy is not a good thinker at all. The fact that he would make the argument that "suffering is good", because you get good things out of it, as a justification to let animals suffer, shows that he doesn't actually spend a second to think of the reason he values anything. It would take a second just to ask yourself, "would I endure the suffering of an intense workout if I didn't get any health or cosmetic benefit out of it?" And the answer is obviously fucking no. Only a masochist would say otherwise.

[@carothehonestpeanut]

Great video! Talking to someone who thinks mostly about themselfs, who is nice and honest about it, really is interesting and so god damn importent. But I think his honesty was helped by the great interviewing skills B)

[@justanotherutuber3]

Suffering at the gym what a glib

[@user-dv2yc3si8r]

people don't realise that nature documentaries show you the sanitised version of lions hunting gazelles.

[@Catofminerva]

The last bit was impressive

[@awesomfog345]

This was a great conversation

[@VLEO]

23:55 Wow! This is awesome! Your art of posing questions is great!

[@JihouGijutsu]

@HH you let him tell you plants have the possibility of sentience.... is that an okay route to go down? What are your aim's for this new framework of questioning?

[@Celestina0]

We can see on your face how painful it is for you to say just ‘interesting’ when they come out with something awful 😂 ‘Yes I’d cause a lifetimes worth of suffering on an animal for ten minutes of my pleasure’ …’interesting’

[@RuberSocks]

I wonder if it's worth it to ask people this type of question: "Do you believe there is any reason we should continue going through life, if not to reduce the unnecessary pain of others?"

[@spanishDoll1]

Thank you for all you do

[@841gabe]

This is extremely an extremely interesting conversation. I feel the guys who eats meat represents well how people feel towards this subject. An acknowledgement that's it's not moral but happy to engage with it. I wonder what arugments or Conversations could change behaviour here

[@padraicloingsigh421]

Um.. he equates a cactus with an animal.. wtf!?!?

[@spatrk6634]

he equated cactus as being living being that he killed with his ignorance

[@Wingerlang]

Well he's honest but terrible ethics.

[@elmoscosocratico8129]

That was some pretty dark stuff being said. But this Is way better than the Facebook fights

[@vitallink4830]

Like and comment it helps the algorithm.

[@NowhereMan7]

Had to stop watching after he said "at the end of the day" for the 6th time at 12:36 and seeing it's not even half way through.

[@goodlad1961]

No logic, just apathy from the the guy smh

[@Matheus-si8vq]

Excellent

[@LC-gs6qv]

Tough customer

[@Kojakesh99]

hey i know clickbait titels are really important nowadays and i dont judge you for using them but i think a title like this is disrespectful towards your conversation partners, especially if they were honest and respectful towards you. other than that great activism as always :)

[@HumaneHancock]

Hey! I used the word stubborn because my conversation partner described himself as stubborn 🙂

[@Yavor-Karapetrov]

Well, I should say, that I prefer to live in a blissful ignorance. For a big part of my life, I strongly believed that people are, if not very Good, maybe at least NOT Bad. A little bit selfish perhaps. But never cruel, never really bad. Actually I loved people. And now when I know the truth and especially when I see it, like in the current video, I feel terrible. Yes, I prefer blissful ignorance. The Truth is so Cruel. It is not easy to live as a misanthrope. Fuck the truth (about what a Human being is)!

[@hughjaynus9623]

I struggle with this too, it's hard to see people the same once you've made the connection yourself. However, videos like this and others like it make me realise that there's people out there that care enough and want to make a change to the world. Watch Plant Based News' video about the world going vegan without realising, I think he's pretty spot on with it

[@omarj1664]

✅ on

[@kattihatt]

Its funny how you have the disclaimer about being respectful in the comments, when you call him stubborn in the title.

[@HumaneHancock]

He refers to himself as stubborn, so I think it’s reasonable 😛

[@pixelated.peachyangel]

His titles are to catch the viewer attention,not to offend

[@kattihatt]

@@HumaneHancock fair enough! 😂 thanks for your great work!

[@spatrk6634]

@@pixelated.peachyangel so clickbait lies to get more views? if you are resorting to lie in your title. i dont expect that rest of the video will be true. and no, im not reffering to only this video. every vegan video that has some sort of debate, is clickbait title. regardless of creator of the video. if he is vegan and does debates like this, 99% that title is pure clickbait. like "vegan gets destroyed by rational meat eater" obviously meant to be sarcastic and rude, but in reality he does get destroyed by rational meat eaters.

[@kattihatt]

@@spatrk6634 can you point to the video where he gets destroyed, and also tell us why you think so.

[@timsodaro3021]

0 i dont give a fuck. Give me meat. Nowwwwww im hungry

[@Human_Herbivore]

I'm now thinking about it more but still a 5. Blimey.

[@McCaffreyPickleball]

I think people just don't like the idea of 'having their minds changed'... Almost like they were outsmarted or something. Maybe on camera he's a 5, but after a few days thinking about it abs looking into it more... Maybe not

[@Human_Herbivore]

@@McCaffreyPickleball tbh, I don't care about changing their minds, it's their actions that count.

[@McCaffreyPickleball]

@@Human_Herbivore starts with a mindset change though. "veganuary" and the "KFC plant burger" change a lot if actions but I'd rather have minds changed & not contributing to suffering & death for the right reasons

[@Human_Herbivore]

@@McCaffreyPickleball I hope you're right but we know that actions speak louder than words.

[@antonisakritov]

Wow what a weirdo!!

[@glennbishopbishthemagish]

Talk about suffering, is watching any one of your video's.

[@yokolinaki]

👏👏👏👏

[@martyndoyle3712]

Me me me me me.

[@Olivetree80]

He doesn't seem to have much empathy for humans, so extending that to animals would be a difficult thing to achieve.

[@chegobego7930]

🥰

[@Rul_27]

What this guy’s saying doesn't make much sense.

[@nathanielg.m.888]

[@jobloggs8022]

10

[@tigertoo01]

HH you need to mix this up a bit. What are you trying to achieve. You’ve just wasted an afternoon on this lad. There is way more influence in his life for him to continue eating meat.

[@meggo329]

My favorite animal are cows I also eat beef regularly. It is what it is.

[@veganworldorder9394]

V

[@QuigDog]

Meat is yummy

[@joshwarrey3728]

Apathetic, so pathetic

[@GarudaLegends]

i have offed my own food before. most delicious meat ever

[@radiocorrective]

Its really telling how you objectify them and then add a "my" to it at that. Their lives were not yours.

[@henrywalton5967]

"I have murdered* animals* before. Most delicious flesh* ever." So many euphemisms dude.

[@thebowandbullet]

"I'm a troll who likes to shitpost because I actually think it hurts vegans' feelings, but I'm not bright enough to realize I make myself look stupid every time and I'm a total bore to everyone." There, I fixed your comment.

[@henrywalton5967]

@@thebowandbullet ok you definitely fixed it better than me

[@GarudaLegends]

@@henrywalton5967 "murder"? how much prison time should i get then?