LIVE! Karen Read Trial Day 20: Is The State Really Not Going To Call Trooper Michael Proctor?

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[@MimiDidi121]

Who thinks Lally is not only trying to keep from putting Proctor on the stand, but the medical examiner too.

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

Lolly pop has nothing

[@joshlampe3458]

Proctor is the nightmare that keeps them up at night, they can't talk themselves out of that one. We've only started seeing how ugly this is going to get for the corrupt 'commonwealth', they're getting exposed on a massive scale.

[@lynnhauenstein4136]

Mimi, I do, cuz most murder trials put on, autopsy, medical examiner, cause of death, first 2 or 3 prosecution witnesses.. , why Bore the jury with pieces of taillight, Instead of Autopsy, ,, Injuries, cause of death.. Jeez will the CommonWealth, , not call Pathologist, autopsy results, and cop leader of investigation. Is it so bad,??? make defense call these witnesses. As hostile witnesses. Procter...

[@amandamacabre]

I wasn't before today, but I'm beginning to wonder if they thought this guy and the ER doctor would do the job.

[@destinysallinger9526]

It makes me wonder what the ME has done lol

[@amandamccarty9608]

As an ER Nurse, I am 1000000% with you on this Peter. I literally screamed out loud… Since when did cops become medical professionals who can diagnose and connect injuries to cause of death! Ummmm no sir! Even a doctor cannot make these calls without imaging and it’s still attached to differential diagnoses. So frustrating!!

[@starflower703]

I have been a nurse since 1985 and I completely agree with you. I too was screaming at my screen today when they pulled that stunt. It was disgusting. You and I can’t testify that way either, because that’s practicing medicine without a license. It doesn’t seem to be the issue it once was, but it’s not a good thing to do!

[@SandyOhNo]

I AGREE! I'm an RN too, but in Labor & Delivery. I, too, found myself yelling at my screen! This case is crazy and 100% do not believe his injuries are from an MVA. This guy was physically assaulted in the head, and something (aka dog bites/claws) injured that defensive arm.

[@Nursie]

That was crazy! I couldn't believe my ears listening to that guy. I was yelling at the TV🤣 He seems very pompous to me. He probably stands in front of the mirror for an hour checking himself out. I worked with Deputies for years! And a lot of them need to be humbled after so many years of work in the field. They get too big for their britches. He, to me is the perfect example of that! I wasn't a fan of his testimony. If I was a juror, that would have been " No Bueno" in my book!

[@Songbirdstress]

Wasn't he also getting "vascular" wrong?

[@Songbirdstress]

​@@SandyOhNoThis! How did he get all that from a three point turn? With nothing on the car?

[@Nursie]

I worked in a jail as a nurse years ago. There is a good ole boy code that exists. I was a part of it for years. They are going to back each other up come hell or high water. If they don't, you are breaking the bro code. That's my opinion on some parts of this case. I am having a lot of issues with this case. Seeing her car back into Johns car makes me think, If she was being charged for backing into that car, they would have used that ring bell camera as evidence, stating there was damage . But in this case they are saying, oh no...there was no damage...wth! That bothers me. I'm still waiting for the states smoking gun. I don't want to say she's guilty or innocent yet. But if I was a juror watching this clown show, At this point I would be frustrated because this case shouldn't have been tried in the 1st place, based on the evidence that the state has brought forward so far. I believe the Defense is making a better case so far. They actually make sense to me! I know the case isn't over... So I will wait as patiently as I can! I enjoyed this episode! Thanks again LYK!

[@tashajackson1818]

Well said and I agree. We also have to remember that at this point she is innocent. Defendants are innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. At this point there is still plenty of reasonablr doubt. I don't know if she did it but the CW hasn't proved it yet for me.

[@Nursie]

@@tashajackson1818 I love that you said that! I was thinking that I was watching this!! I have so much to say about this case. I feel like I have ADHD when I'm posting! Lol 🤣 Absolutely! Innocent until proven guilty! Anymore it feels the other way around so much, I think we forget this as a society living in America:-( very sad!!

[@Nursie]

@@tashajackson1818 I re-worded that! It definitely didn't come out as what I meant!! Thank you again ☺️

[@SandyOhNo]

​@tashajackson1818, if anything, the CW is helping the defenses case.

[@redessa01]

Agree. I have no idea if she did anything or not. Given what the state has presented so far, if I were on that jury, I would not be able to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

We need medical examiner.. and autopsy...and PROCTOR!

[@TomCarter-d3h]

The police go to her parents house to pick up the SUV. Trooper Yuri said today that he noticed damage to the passenger side tail light and he asked Trooper Proctor to confirm he saw the same damage. I don't know the procedures or protocols, but given your training and experience, why did they not take any close up photos of the damage before anyone went near it or why not call the crime scene people and secure some solid evidence before the car was towed? Even in the Sally port the was no close up photos.

[@Nursie]

I was thinking the exact same thing! That tail light is not evidence to me because there are no close up pictures dated the am that she was questioned right after the innocent. After towing her car and snow, wind..etc . They decided to take pictures and collect a hair, and evidence....ummm... ok!! That is some weak evidence being used! (The tail light)

[@elpatron7916]

They had to get rid of those photos

[@SandyOhNo]

Either they are shady and setting her up, or they are the stupidest investigators!

[@AJD09FB]

Even more telling, why didn't they ask her about the damage to her car when they interviewed her? That would be an important question, no?

[@mariapilarme]

Because it’s a cover up

[@fancykat4]

It just amazes me how many people are willing to lie under oath.

[@Schnickums]

Why bother with an oath? It obviously means zilch

[@loribarto2119]

I don’t think it requires everyone to be involved in a cover up or conspiracy, but if Proctor and maybe one or two more at the top of the investigation are slanting things others will have no idea that the story isn’t true. If your being fed false info from someone you trust would you know?

[@ClearBlueThinker]

Cover ups are compartmentalized and people become compromised. Not sure why LYK doesn’t understand that.

[@nicolehoffhoff3218]

That’s absolutely how I feel about this too!!

[@Ottocdw]

Thats so true! It starts out as a favor and that’s all it takes! BA, needed a favor called , Proctor and thats why we are here!💔

[@MoJo53000]

Exactly

[@shozi1799]

No it doesn't you're right. However, the defence in this case has all and sundry involved.

[@YT-is.the.new-TV]

As an actual medical provider, this trooper’s “expert” and inaccurate medical testimony was infuriating. Those were not abrasions on his arm, they were mostly lacerations and possibly a few punctures.

[@PeaceLovePeaches123]

I so hope there is a nurse or doctor on the jury who heard those pretentious "medical" assumptions of his. Ridiculously hilarious. Sounds like a very sad scene but this guy is a clown.

[@YT-is.the.new-TV]

@@PeaceLovePeaches123Agreed! Anyone with medical training on the jury and his testimony is toast. But I also think that non medical jurors will see through his know it all, arrogant demeanor. Imagine how bad Proctor is if this was the better choice😳

[@misxfitx]

personally, i found it funnier than infuriating. at this point, after everything we've seen in this case, seeing a grown man trying to sound smart by using words he doesn't understand to appear knowledgeable in an area that anyone with two braincells would notice he doesn't know at all is just funny to me, i was actually laughing out loud

[@keri17]

He slipped up later and called them lacerations then corrected himself back to abrasions again 🤦‍♀️ cannot wait for his cross.

[@Alienspecies635]

He is a clown he's on my family members soccer team I can't stand his face. He was blatantly adding his own extra words to fit the narrative. He is Proctors boss and is trying to cover for both of them.

[@RozeechildRN]

The fact that he defined abrasions completely wrong. Yes, it does affect the epidermis, he got that! However, it is NOT caused by blunt force....NOT AT ALL! It's actually minor scraping of the epidermis, or a superficial burn from friction. He should've never been allowed to say that! I'm an ER nurse and I've seen 100's or more of abrasions and blunt force trauma. And, if you can pull those injuries apart they are lacerations, not scratches.

[@davewade30]

It doesn't take "All these cops. Or All these witnesses." to be in on it. ONE person could've broken her taillight and spread the pieces at the scene. Everyone else could've done their job to the best of their ability, and she'd still be framed. IF Jen McCabe did the 2:27 AM google search, 4 hrs. before the body was found, that's it.

[@georgewashington3555]

And she did do the search... celebrite does not lie.

[@andrewstrid8016]

She didn't have access to the car in the lock up he did and he swiped in and was in for a while . It wasn't until after that the extra glass was found.

[@davewade30]

@@georgewashington3555 I saw something that said the initial cellbright extraction showed the search at 6:2o something. Then the cellbright program was updated and another extraction was done showing the 2:27 search. That's the only reason I even question it. IF there were 2 different extractions done with 2 different versions of software, it's possible that the update had a bug and is wrong. So I am hoping a cellbright expert will settle that point. If that's how the extractions were done. I don't remember who I heard talk about it. It was probably a lawtuber. Might've been DUI guy. I'm not sure.

[@elpatron7916]

It was more than 1

[@davewade30]

@@elpatron7916 Of course. I'm just saying it doesn't have to be a grand conspiracy as far as cops actually investigating the case. Of course the whole Albert and McCabe families are in on it. But one or two well placed investigators can easily taint a whole case. I see this way more as a family circling the wagons to protect someone than a police cover-up. I mean it is both. But I think the family ties are what's motivating it.

[@dawls07]

***IMPORTANT*** Big glitch during garage closure. You can also see at the end of the video in the Sallyport where there is a glitch of time looking at the three people at the back of Karen’s car. The guy at the front of the video disappears as well. The blue numbers for the second counter are off as well at the same time between 53 and 54. You can see the cut even in the seconds. During the glitch. The seconds continue after the glitch and jump again from 1 to 8 seconds then the video ends. Very suspicious. 🤨 ⁠This is a mirror video. So the tow truck driver pulled the car in, got out with his phone, almost ate shit at the front of the car, then took a photo of the license plate then the VIN to document the delivery. Left. 4 people suspiciously hanging around broken tail light on other side then one of them comes over and shakes someone’s hand (or hands something off) then hugs them. The rest come over one by one and shake hands. Total of 7 people in the sally port at this point. Door closes with huge glitch on video at that time and only 4 people left. 🧐

[@StellaKnights]

and if you saw it then the defence have definitely seen it

[@GenZMother]

Spot on!! 💯

[@dsmyyyth511]

The fact the crime scene wasn't secured the entire time is reasonable doubt.

[@carolineelsson8858]

The trooper trying to be a medical expert enraged me and makes me think Lally doesn’t want to use an actual medical examiner because they don’t fit his narrative

[@adrianekyle8799]

For me, AJ’s wrap-up regarding the glass was a huge AHA 🤯 moment for me … NONE of the glass submitted matched the drinking glass. The ONLY glass that matched another piece was glass from the bumper and a single piece found at the scene. What I took from that was the drinking glass had to have been broken inside the house, leaving Proctor with a gap to fill … hence, “stand alone” unconnected glass was added to the crime scene to make up for the drinking glass next to JO being broken. If I was on the jury, this would feel like the first piece of Scientific evidence in support of a cover-up (so far).

[@adrianekyle8799]

Also, I think the way Lally referred to the glass by numbers only was intentional - he wanted the jury to hear that some of the pieces matched and just assume it was matches to the drinking glass, when in fact, once broken down, the only matching pieces were the unrelated bits on the bumper and the single piece from the scene. He didn’t want that evidence to be clear.

[@Goomba21]

The group chats n texts n deleted calls the changing of testimony none of that makes u think coverup?

[@starflower703]

@@Goomba21It screams coverup!

[@adrianekyle8799]

@@Goomba21 Yes, it does. But the glass going thru forensic testing and still not being connected to the incident just stood out to me as the first Scientific evidence that I can recall. :)

[@donnafisher6212]

I just don’t believe this man, he seems to be a pompous person

[@lisolette1]

Lally does not want the jury to understand and get the ramifications, he wants them confused

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Imagine how often that happens!

[@MimiDidi121]

I slowed her backing out to 0.25x. You can DEFINITELY see JO’s car slightly lurch forward when she hit it. No damage at 5am would mean she DID NOT hit him at midnight! Did nobody else catch that, or did I miss hear that?

[@Songbirdstress]

I saw that too, she cracked her tail light then imo.

[@jacquelineorr5479]

That's what I've been saying!

[@LaLaLonna]

Her drinking doesnt sway me, EVERYONE was drunk, Its just as plausible Brian Higgins hit him. Also, my husband drinks beer and we both like tequila so when we go out he will order beers and I get something with tequila and he drinks from my liquor drink along with his beer. I also think if somehow KR is found guilty then it needs to be appealed because the things this judge has done and let get in for the prosecution and the things she has not let the defense get in plus all the rushing of mainly the defense while letting the prosecution waste SO MUCH time shows me that she has issues and is swaying the trial toward the prosecution big time. She SHOULD NOT be a judge if she cant be fair.

[@courtneyjohnson8407]

This judge is the WORST judge ever and she is basically helping Lally along the way. She is allowing some nonsense for the CW and not allowing actual things that are more than relevant for the defense. I get so pissed watching this judge. I don't know how someone above her is not stepping in. What are they waiting for? This is someone's life and it's obvious she doesn't car for the defendant even if innocent nor does she care for this defense.

[@CONCERNEDcitizenforever]

So you and your husband drive drunk alot huh? 🤔 🍺 🍻 🤪

[@sarahb2004]

Higgins is my bet in this

[@paw-prints839]

​@sarahb2004 I still think Brian Albert, Collin Albert Maybe Higgins was there but I still think it goes back to the house.

[@Remmysage]

@@CONCERNEDcitizenforeverwhere did she says she drove? Please tell me cause I missed that!

[@KellyOliver-mg7yf]

If the prosecution only called a limited number of witnesses, I would buy the "team effort" explanation. But since they called everyone and their brother to only not call the lead investigator would be a little suspicious to me.

[@randyhance4477]

His resume was great then he opened his mouth

[@Jacksonsperfectpirouette]

I know! I thought this guy is impressive… then I realized just on paper😂.

[@DianeGallagher-i3l]

You ascend quickly when you are willing to do whatever is necessary for a specific outcome! His arrogance is evident in his body language!

[@jonrussell7567]

Is obvious he's an intensely motivated witness. I would guess he thinks Karen did it, so will do and say anything to be sure she's convicted. Means I can't take a single word he says seriously. Probably makes a great friend though.

[@divinemischief4655]

True

[@Somegirl811]

That guy made me think of this quote. Albert Einstein Quote: “Genius is making complex ideas simple, not making simple ideas complex.”

[@Forakus]

That testimony is COMPLETELY incomprehensible.

[@HappyGrouch]

*I hope the defense Brings up the fact that the police and investigators based their ENTIRE investigation into Karen on the statements made by Jennifer Mccabe! Smh*

[@Floridafanatic28]

Who is Jenna?

[@HappyGrouch]

@@Floridafanatic28Jen McCabe , that was an autto correct based on my contact list lol

[@georgewashington3555]

Obviously but also by homeowners calling their friend Proctor , the chief of police and Bukaki ..

[@jonrussell7567]

Jen McCabe, aka the best suspect.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Thought planting.

[@DanielleMarie7]

The reason the video being mirrored is such an issue is because they are claiming it proves that no one touches the "broken" taillight, when in fact we are seeing the drivers side, and everyone is congregating over on the side we cant see which is ACTUALLY the passenger side where the broken taillight is.

[@JoziMoJo]

oh thank you! I was very confused about that, especially as in South Africa the driver is on the right hand side of the car.

[@falseprophet1024]

Thats not how mirrored images work, though.. they are pretending the camera did magic because you can literally see the unbroken taillight in the video.. Draw a simple diagram, and you will immediately see it would be impossible for a camera, in that position, would be recording the drivers side of the car..

[@bitchybitchyspider1437]

​@@falseprophet1024I don't think anyone is arguing that.

[@lightgraphs]

If you knew the "townie cop" mentality in this area of Massachusetts, you could believe in a coverup. I'm savoring the evidence of the SINGLE HAIR that was found on Karen's bumper after she drove 30 min home and 30 minutes back in a raging blizzard. - Julia J

[@jamestownstudios8543]

The parallels to the Avery case are uncanny. Both have a GANG of Townie Cops that go from knowing everything, but also know nothing all at the same time. Example, there was no probable cause to search a home where a dead cop was found in the yard, but yet they can “clearly and convincingly” piece together a vehicular homicide during a snowstorm.

[@Pudge-bw2ru]

None of JO's injuries look like they came from contact with a car. Where's the coroner's report?

[@lisolette1]

The autopsy reports conclusion was on what did not happen , it’s the only time I’ve ever seen an ME put down what some one did NOT die from. They actually wrote “ he did not die from a fight “ that’s your coroner’s report lol

[@amandamacabre]

@@lisolette1that sounded so stupid I had to fact check it and I officially hate every official involved in this case 😂

[@Songbirdstress]

@@lisolette1 Well, that's true. I'm thinking from the black eye, lacerations etc, he was punched, dog joined in (do we know if he was able to punch back?). He fell backwards from the punch, the dog or a drink on the floor, got the gash on the back of his head. They pummelled him when down. Put him out to die from hypothermia. So, technically, no, not a fight.

[@Pudge-bw2ru]

@@lisolette1 Well that's sketchy. We def need to hear from the ME!!! Lots of questions!

[@iamtravellynne]

Thank you Peter!

[@MG-ot2yr]

"Caused by crushing of the vascular....." That cop made such a fool of himself with made up medical talk.....totally cringe listening to that.

[@ThatRedhedd]

High school science classes taught me that there's no way Karen's tail light would've shattered from the impact of a 4000 lb SUV hitting a freestanding, (relatively) squishy & lightweight human. That damage could only be caused by impact with a solid, stationary object like a parked vehicle or a brick wall or by being smashed w/ a hammer or bat. When those lights break, any broken pieces don't fall outward, but rather, inward, inside the housing. That's why the piece that broke at 5am when Karen backed into John's car didn't land on the ground. Believing in Karen's innocence & the McAlberts' involvement is neither unreasoned nor unfair due to the known facts. It's the ONLY logical conclusion one may arrive at if they're paying attention to the McAlberts' texts to each other & their collusion in person during or preceding police interviews. "Hos long to die in cold" was searched by Jen at 2:27am and it was deleted prior to handing her phone over. Cellbrite data proved that! How is that NOT proof that she knew John was on the lawn at 2:27am???

[@sierramcclary2897]

It hasn't been proven that Jennifer made that search at 2:27. There isn't any proof that John went inside the house. It is very unfair to accuse the Alberts of being involved in the crime. Karen Read made herself a suspect because she was the first person to find John body which is very suspicious and because of the incriminating statements that she made

[@redessa01]

Right?!? I went back and looked at the photos of our car from when we hit a deer. We were on a highway, going at least 50 mph when a fairly large buck came running across the road. The damage was primarily to the front passenger side. Part of the grill was broken out, the bumper was cracked, there was also a puncture in the bumper just below the headlight, and the hood and headlight were both knocked out of alignment. But the light itself was not broken. An average full grown buck weighs about as much as an adult man. If hitting one at highway speed was not enough to crack a headlight, I have a hard time believing a tail light is going to shatter from hitting a person while backing out of a driveway. There's simply not enough force involved.

[@amandamacabre]

And let's not forget "the guy never entered the house" "exactly." That moment made me take the conspiracy seriously. I don't wholly believe that Collin was in on it, but at this stage, with the way defence is building, I'm more willing to believe they could prove Collin did it than the CW can prove Karen did it.

[@trish818]

You can clearly see the taillight is not in pieces on the ring video when KR left to get Kerri & Jen. Plus, Kerri testified she looked at it and there was only a small piece missing when they left John's house. How do all those pieces then find themselves @ 34 Fairview?? That right there proves it didn't shatter when she supposedly hit him!

[@ryangifford3500]

Not to mention, IF an accident occurred that would shatter the tailight in that many pieces, THEY WOULD ALL HAVE HEARD IT 🤦🏻‍♂️ 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@AprilSpelta-l9q]

All he proved today was that she had drinks! We already knew they were all out drinking! She is not on trial for drunk driving.. just because she had drinks doesn’t mean she killed him.

[@amandamacabre]

I do think DUI is part of the charges so she might get hit with that, which is annoying since we know ALL of them were driving under the influence and none of them are being charged.

[@BlackStump172]

@@amandamacabreThey cannot say when she had those drinks . She was not driving the car when seen at the scene

[@GreenEyedGumby]

@@BlackStump172The video from The Waterfall is time-stamped, isn’t it?

[@Remmysage]

@@amandamacabreI don’t believe there’s any drunk driving charges… murder while drunk isn’t really a charge that can be charged. And as someone else said they can’t prove she drove right after she drank. Also, don’t know when John was hit. She could have got more drunk or sobered up by that time, no one knows. You can’t decide someone’s guilt or innocence off guessing!

[@melodiecason2799]

​@@GreenEyedGumbybut if you watch that video closely, you cannot say she had as many drinks as that trooper lied and said she did. Also according to the receipt it was like $54 right? $10 for Tito's. $5 for beer. John and the two other men all three had a shot that's $30 John had two beers that's $10 and then the rest would be Karen's drink.

[@ResonantFrequency]

I will say I strongly disagree that this is good law. Having to defend yourself in court on a murder charge is incredibly stressful and extremely expensive and the process can be punishment in and of itself. Prosecutors have a duty to the taxpayer and to the people of their jurisdiction to not press charges on weak cases and to not present improper evidence.

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Yea but JOK deserves justice even if the case is weak

[@BondJames-vz5wk]

@@RcPlayer-tt2vw the case so far is nothing, it is not even close to weak. for JOK to get justice there has to be a proper investigation of this extremely shoddy investigation and some of the witnesses.

[@maycronin1188]

​@@RcPlayer-tt2vwhe does deserve justice and to have the people that beat him pay

[@ClearBlueThinker]

@@RcPlayer-tt2vw justice comes when you investigate properly. They failed to do so and brought a weak case to court. That isn’t justice bud.

[@lldemeo46]

Another trump trial

[@cariewelborn388]

Another random point, Lally gets this entire video but Jackson can’t demonstrate 22 seconds with Higgins?

[@maximoo79]

An absolute disgrace! I’m just stunned and angry at the blatant bias by this judge.

[@Monica-gene1]

@@maximoo79omg I’m so angry how one sided she is

[@grimtt]

Not the same thing. Video is providing information. Everyone knows and has experienced what 22 seconds of time is, dead air is court theatrics. AJ prob didn’t care the Judge shut it down, he just needed the jury to see him demand a demonstration of 22 seconds, he knew the jurors minds would take it from there.

[@galaxys6071]

​@@grimttthe jury knows 22 seconds is plenty time for those criminal mcalbert folks to relay information. The butt cannot dial, hang up, call back...lol. and somehow plug itself into a charger.

[@grimtt]

@@galaxys6071 yes, I’m not contesting how long conversations have to be to qualify as such, I was just referring to tactics. I was speaking mainly to op comment on why the judge didn’t allow AJ to count out 22 seconds in cross, yet let Lally play video on and on.

[@Usermemo8787]

As a former waitress, I didn’t ring in water or soda water on the receipt because it was free where I was serving, and it saved me time.. The type of glass is irrelevant, imo. I served pop in all kinds of glasses… She ALLEGEDLY had 1 drink at 8:58, 2nd 9:15, 3rd at 9:20*, 4th at 9:33pm*, 5th and 6th by 9:57, 7th at 10:29… Shot glass could have been a shot, OR simple syrup, OR lemon juice, OR lime juice… we don’t know. Unless it’s on the receipt, we don’t know. Did John drink any of her drink at all? If she had that much alcohol, the bar should have been fined for over serving her. She didn’t appear to have eaten anything. She would have been stumbling if not more. KR= ~$50- 2 Tito’s at $10 each, so that 1 coors would have cost >$20, no way! The math ain’t mathing! The illegal search and seizure of her car and phone shows her being singled out as the only suspect from the jump. By the afternoon/evening of 1/29, they already had her car and phone. No search of 34 Fairview, no questioning of witnesses who live at 34 Fairview by this time…

[@evelynmahoney3569]

I cant wait for you to get to when Alan Jackson was able to point out that 7-14 from the scene (collected by Proctor) was said not to match anything on the bumper. It was a little difficult to follow, but when he zeroed in on 3-3 e from the items found on the bumper, she then nervously said it was structurally and mechanically consistent with 7-14. I think, just realizing the correlation fornthe first time. I take that to mean those 2 items match each other, 1 from the bumper and the other from the scene, but neither matched the tail light lens or the drinking glass. So apparently, "something" stray, not tail light lens and not drinking glass, had a piece of itself on the bumper collected after the car was towed, and another piece of it was collected at the scene. If the implication is that this foreign item was deposited in 2 places and found at different times, in what scenario do you think that may have occurred? Because it did occur. I think they got a little carried away planting evidence. Bukhenic even found the drinking straw. IMAGINE THAT!

[@MostlyMom]

I was screaming! What’s the POINT?! Why did we sit through this!!? Where did it come from!? I can’t handle the way he’s presenting this evidence. These pieces came from where?! We know they came in once the span of several weeks.. and yet they never needed the CERT search team again?! Even though cops CLEARY kept missing all these pieces?!

[@bethmccrae2714]

John's watch

[@TNCarter]

Seeing her car drive through that snow when she pulls into her parents house, seeing how they load it onto the tow truck, and watching that blizzard blow, there is no way that hair stayed put!

[@MimiDidi121]

Why did they subpoena the ring video for John O’Keefe’s house and Karen Read’s parents house, but none in or around 34 Fairview? Very suspicious! The house in view of supposed accident had a ring type camera outside. No one asked for that video unless the defense has it!

[@markstone1619]

Yep, the one house across the street, with a great view of 34 Fairview, was another Leiutenant with Canton PD. Supposedly he merely said he looked at the footage and nothing revealing was seen, so they didn't take any further action to obtain the footage and look themselves. The fix was in.

[@EmmaDee]

Because I will be $1M the whole neighborhoods ring cameras all quit working from 12:00 am to 6:00 am.

[@wayneevans2605]

The big storm/blizzard cut the power of for couple hours

[@gwp4eva]

@@wayneevans2605power loss wouldn’t have happened until much later in the evening, or maybe not even until the next morning

[@tytygirl11]

@@wayneevans2605most cameras run off batteries or solar. It’s reasonable that at LEAST one house had cameras

[@davewade30]

If I'm the defense, no way am I calling Procter. I find the "The prosecution doesn't even trust their lead investigator enough to call him." attack in closing to be persuasive. There's tons of reasonable doubt already, using that they never heard from Proctor in closing arguments is icing on the cake!

[@nora__]

That's actually a great point. If they're really confident though, they might call him just to kill his reputation like they did to Higgins.

[@davewade30]

@@nora__ Yeah, I just don't think I'd risk it though. Confidence is great, but I'm always cautious about over confidence. Like Peter said, the prosecution not calling him could be strategy to bait the defense into calling him. I think that's pretty unlikely based on the lack of much apparent strategy so far, but there's a chance it could be. So I just wouldn't risk it. If I were on his defense team. As a spectator....I really want to see him testify! LOL! So I'm definitely hoping someone calls him!

[@sythmc8600]

If this the best the prosecution has, they’re disillusioned.

[@CaptBailey]

I would say this is obviously something trying to be covered up

[@Vlue2000]

Two cell phones were disposed of the day before they were ordered to be preserved. There was something in those phones that was intentionally hidden.

[@amandamacabre]

@@Vlue2000even if it's not a cover up re: OJO, they were hiding SOMETHING and I don't think that makes them more credible

[@CWebb-yr7vc]

Why didn’t they question the bar about what she was drinking?

[@MimiDidi121]

The CW asked about the back right side. With the video being flipped that makes one think it’s the side closest to us. They claim it’s motion sensor camera, but we don’t see anybody leave. It’s not gonna stop recording just because they stand still for a few seconds. That’s not how motion sensing stuff works. I was trying to follow the time at the very bottom and there are two or three minutes missing at a time, it seems

[@missybrewer423]

My opinion is that the defense is going to tear him up

[@blam4984]

So glad you’re recapping. I tried to watch in this in real time and I just couldn’t. Lally’s questioning drives me crazy and I can’t follow. The jury has to be falling asleep

[@debschmitt761]

the attny managed to even confuse the witness , imagine what the jury thinks. Im with you Peter, make it easy for the jury to understand . I do find it interesting that the larger pieces were found and turned into the lab later than the smaller pieces

[@sheamccorkle7689]

The family should be so upset that the trooper was smirking and smiling. That they only have one lawyer trying this case and he’s clearly in over his head. The investigation was awful. This is an officer you would think they would do their best. This is terrible.

[@marlbboro8091]

Heartbreaking. I can only imagine that they sense Officer OK might never get justice. What an awful way to die. Terrible

[@janedoe1573]

Yuriy thinking he's blowing us away with his medical terminology, but then uses North and South to describe the arm 🤦‍♀️ To quote Peter, "My guy...." it's distal and proximal 😂😂

[@PatriciaDebrow]

Why is there snow inside this garage before the car gets there??

[@nora__]

Probably Higgins using the sally port like his own personal garage... brushing off the snow and warming up the engine so he's nice and cozy driving home.

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

I thought that also

[@bethmccrae2714]

Absurd. They far more likely kept a police vehicle inside to make sure it was available in an emergency , so they wouldn't have to waste time clearing off the snow and ice

[@Songbirdstress]

Yes, how as they told us it was heated? They sweep all that snow to the side, won't it melt?

[@kanadiangurl]

I find this judge EXTREMELY prejudicial and this entire trial is so annoying to watch.

[@StellaKnights]

I feel like as the trial has gone on she has been less prejudicial to the CW

[@shelleymariejohnson503]

Peter, you never cease to impress me..us, I think I speak for most here. I would even venture to say, (though there are many channels of subjects important to me that I follow here,) yours, to me, is the most valuable channel on all of KZbin. It has the best of everything, an intelligent, informative, entertaining, pleasant environment with seriously awesome followers. I fully appreciate, for one thing that you know your craft inside and out, and that you do make sure to give fair evaluations of both sides pointing out the positives and negatives in the actions of all the players of both sides. Going out of your way to be respectful and professional. You are so genuine, I have been watching this ...this.."trial," they are calling it. The most bizarre in BS I have ever seen. It seems so absurd. And then I saw you really getting disgusted with this today, and it was just the perfect reaction for you. It fit. I love when your dad comes on, too. What a man he is. So yay for The Lawyer You Know. I look forward to it, every day.

[@al1383]

Look at the snow on the lexus when being towed, then look at snow on Lexus when in sallyport. Look at Sallyport before Lexus is driven in. Where did all that snow come from? Did they just pull a vehicle into that spot, that was previously in the snow, and drove it back out right before the Lexus arrived? The sallyport is heated right? Why is the video mirrored and skipping? Where are the pictures the officer took when the Lexus arrived? Isn't it policy to take photos so that any damage on the vehicle can't be blamed on law enforcement?

[@nora__]

Didn't Buchenik say it was over an hour they drove to bring the car to the station? I get the snow being blown off during the drive but the tow truck was driving with a big hot engine and still had a thick layer of snow around the hood.

[@wayneevans2605]

Plus pick up trucks bounce around a little surely got to shake car a bit?

[@jano8]

Why was Proctor riding in the suv being towed per buchenik?

[@mimi.honey08]

I was waiting for a picture of her car when they arrived at her parents house. They came for the car and didn't think to photograph it before taking it away!?

[@jenniferrebeccaart]

App 52:00 the pseudo-medical explanation of what is a scratch- he jams in “due to crushing”- trying to sway the perception of HOW it happened

[@sythmc8600]

I think by now, no juror takes the word of any officer regardless how decorated they are seriously in this case. Jurors are not naive.

[@t.j.5044]

I've watched too many trials to believe jurors are not naive. Far too many make up their mind before hearing the evidence, or by using only their emotions, just as the majority of people following this case have. No one has heard all of the evidence, yet they are convinced of innocence or guilt already. That's naive.

[@sythmc8600]

@@t.j.5044 - That’s a valid argument.

[@beckabones]

Jackson is bursting to cross this witness

[@elainepeterson1269]

Excellent coverage!

[@joannesmith2314]

Lally’s word salad has lengthened this trial unnecessarily. He is using Yuri to take Proctors heat. Surely the jury will see that

[@SassyBear_]

Whoever said you were dumb pissed me right off. You are the smartest man I know. Keep up all your great work, love how you break it all down . Your the best. Love ❤️ and hugs 🫂

[@brittabby]

Me too!! Peter is the BEST and whoever doesn’t like him doesn’t need to watch!

[@Songbirdstress]

They were so insistent on having the cop testify to his injuries, I wonder if they're not calling ME. Andrea was explaining they could get away with not calling Proctor, and not have a jury instruction if he wouldn't add anything. Seems same could apply to ME.

[@BurroGirl]

Ps there are no blood vessels in the epidermis; they are in the dermis, which is deeper than the epidermis, so the ex Marine was wrong despite trying to sound like he has knowledge of anatomy. Pss I'm a veterinarian.

[@Songbirdstress]

Also vascular? Eye lid? We're they obfuscating the fact he had a black eye? Cos black eyes suggest a punch?

[@maytheforcebewithyou4313]

Prosecution's last law firm was Do We Cheat 'em and How

[@CaptBailey]

No offense, my father was an attorney and judge but, I have noticed lawyers are the worst at giving a yes and no answer

[@grimtt]

Amen 😆

[@kendyll8400]

It honestly wouldn’t be hard to miss that car in a bad snow storm with how the lights reflect off the snow and how dark the car is

[@blondepatti5706]

Why didn't they record the interview with Karen?

[@ashleydaige4193]

They didn’t record anything!

[@gregbedford9706]

For sure it's flipped. The lettering on the rear lid of the cop car would not be printed backwards. The skipping is highly suspect of doctoring.

[@malonislaw]

I don’t think they need to claim all these witnesses were “in on it.” I think Proctor, Lank, Brian, Jen and Matt all pushed hard for Karen to be charged, and in so doing, testimony was shaded and tailored and outright changed to try to get Karen convicted; Proctor manipulated and planted evidence to bolster the case against Karen. All of that has been pretty well established in my opinion, certainly enough for reasonable doubt. On top of that, I think much of the investigation driven by Proctor intentionally avoided investigating anything that might have exonerated Karen. The reason these people have lied and manipulated evidence is to keep the focus on Karen and away from themselves. I’m not convinced anyone in the house killed John, intentionally or accidentally, but I’m not totally convinced that John wasn’t injured by someone in the home or the dog.

[@ronnierhodes811]

I been in automotive collision repair over 30 years, taillights don’t break and fall off like that with zero damage to the quarter panel behind it

[@hawtee1619]

Why was his “conversation”’not recorded at the station? Why didn’t he read her her rights? Suspicious!!!

[@Pudge-bw2ru]

I'm sitting here laughing because I thought the testimony I'm seeing was from last week. It was from this morning. Oh Lally! LOL

[@Pudge-bw2ru]

(and I watched it live with EDB!!) 😅

[@Steve-YT383]

The defense is putting on a masterclass on using the prosecution witnesses against the prosecution.

[@brittabby]

YES!!

[@beckythompson7086]

You are Amazing using your Expertise in an Interesting and Inciteful manner! Gratitude, Peace & Justice 💫

[@LauraJReicher]

When they wrap the tape around the dummy, Benny Hill music should suddenly play 😜

[@EmmaDee]

QUESTION???? Can’t the defense SIMPLY subpoena HIM?? Proctor?? This judge should be remove for being biased as hell.

[@nora__]

They can call him if they want after the CW rests their case.

[@StellaKnights]

Yes , the defense will call him 100%

[@mininjas]

If the defense calls him, they can't ask leading questions like on cross, right? But the cw could?

[@casey5683]

I don’t know if the defense should call him, I think the fact that the commonwealth didn’t speaks volumes

[@kristyreynoldsapaintersdau9016]

That’s what I got! The glass on the bumper did not match

[@livvie33]

How in the world is Lally a DA? Does anyone think he’s a good lawyer?

[@ElizabethPuglisi-df2gt]

No I don’t

[@David-zc9mx]

glorified public defender?!

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

Lilly is 'small town' Canton Lawyer.. Jackson & Yanetti..big bucks lawyers. Absolutely not first Rodeo.

[@DorothyKeoseian]

He’s a complete Joke

[@PoboyGallon]

He has no fire. He is trying it by himself why I don’t know. He lost me at the Opening statement dry as the desert.

[@4Brandy4]

I feel so bad for the jury enduring this trial.

[@bagdadbob3391]

We want Proctor Trooper and we want him right NOW.🛑

[@campinglady81]

super job, Peter! Thanks so much!

[@esoteridactyl]

Regardless of the drinks and BAC stuff, the amount of testimony from witnesses saying she didn’t seem drunk makes me still question all of it.

[@kelb1880]

Thank you, Peter. You explain things so well.

[@elissajones5154]

I’ll say it again- this is the MOST. TEDIOUS. Trial I have ever listened to!! Every other trial I’ve watched has been riveting and interesting. This one is NOT

[@Floridafanatic28]

Disagree completely! I find this trial VERY interesting because it's NOT like other trials.

[@jacquelineburns2731]

It's only interesting when the defense talks.

[@lilgnomey]

Did you watch the Murdaugh trial when they brought in all the financial issues? Hoooooly cow. Talk about tedious!

[@RosemarieJ]

Watching your replay. To be honest as a juror I tuned out w/pros direct and purked up on cross because everything was explained and clarified

[@melodys74]

To those who think cops wouldn’t all lie, please start watching videos about traffic stops and also civil lawsuits against cops and see how the video lines up with their “reports”…it’s shocking. Also, see how many cops have the same memory that doesn’t comport with the video. It’s important to remember they KNOW THEY ARE ON VIDEO, but still the facts don’t line up. I think it’s one of the most underrated problems we have considering how much power a cop holds over our everyday lives.

[@CaptBailey]

They were all tanked and potentially suspects

[@drddianesbryant]

Replay here, from Fleming Island, Florida. Regarding the state troopers walking shoulder-to-shoulder, Sean McDonough (retired CSI, federal agent, etc., plus lived in Canton) @Going Through the Motions said those agents scanning the area where John died were using technique to find a missing person. They weren’t CSI agents, who would have treated the scene as a crime scene and would have NEVER walked through the crime scene, even single file. He said they should have placed a tent over the scene, with crime tape around it and guarded until the snow melted.

[@Slone1329]

I think it’s a little sus that the lead investigator is not testifying

[@TracyLSingh-RN-JD]

Hey Peter, Replay crew here, I am with you! So frustrating for a cop to testify to his medical opinion, wth were they thinking?

[@majkolsson7192]

When Peter, one of the most kind people there is roasts someone like this you know it is really bad.

[@brittabby]

Yes! I was like, uh oh Peter showing some emotion!

[@annaanon8419]

It would be helpful to know when all the snow was melted in that area- cause it seems weeks is an awfully long time to be finding giant pieces of red tail light

[@benno10xx]

Everyone at the Alberts were over the limit

[@ashleymeier1005]

This has to be awful to relive this night over and over 😢

[@Lei-AICPhD]

No cop may ever diagnose or state what an injury may be! That’s insane! I never thought I’d say this, but I’m so afraid they’re not going to call an ME or Trooper P. I’m so scared they won’t. If I were the defense I’d show out for closing, and say: “How could we convict a person when the CW won’t even bring the ME on, or the lead investigator? What are they hiding from you? They’re disrespecting you and your time!”

[@NelleWood]

One thing I noticed watching the first drink was that she opened a soda straw in a paper wrapper and put it in her drink. Usually the bartender puts a little stirrer straw in a cocktail, and they would give the other straw with a soda or water.

[@Simplyreadingthebible]

I have never laughed so hard in my life, watching Peter watching this witness. And all the medical testimony I was hysterical.

[@HeatherSRealEstate]

Why would the CW even bring this case?!?! It is making them look shady and incompetent at best, corrupt at worst. And a woman’s life hangs in the balance. AND a police officer’s death is left without justice. The whole thing is really disgusting to me at this point!

[@CuriousES]

I think the problem with the high level/last expert is that she did what she was told but didn't think about it or try to find the relevance so she didn't process what she was saying, she should have created her own summary like Jackson's exhibit as a cheat sheet, without 20 pages report she was totally lost and with the numbers. After all that time, I was confused and believing that another match from John was matching the evidence left in the car, but at the end that was not the case!!! So I felt Lally complicates things to confuse. The same thing trying to confuse with the drinks, whatever they saw in the video, I didn't see with partial obstructed views of the drinks, so how can Trooper B state it as FACT, best case scenario you leave it for the jury to watch and count whatever they want. I didn't see it and don’t get the point of adding shots of vodka to melted ice, to me adding lime juice/soda or something to your old vodka, if not I would get a whole new fresh drink if you are already paying for the vodka shot. I need to see the receipts and I don’t know why there were not shown, we already had the bartender too, could it be that Lally doesn't have other proof the 7-9 drinks?

[@cariewelborn388]

I’m in rewatch. Good point on not seeing her drink. What if she have some to John. Seems plausible since he was “holding the glass” latah

[@nora__]

But the forensic scientist isn't supposed to be on any side or try to find/prove the relevance. It's the prosecution's job to ask the right questions so the jury can make sense of the testimony.

[@jeffbarry8766]

"Baffle em with Bull Shit or Stun em with Knowledge" . We Know Lallys not doing facts.. some gonna baffle w BS. This an classic Salesrep saying to close the sale

[@Songbirdstress]

Why didn't they call the bar tender?

[@dela3490]

Yes, I didn't see her do all that drinking with her back turned to the camera. If she was getting additional shot size glasses, they may have contained lime slices rather than vodka. She wasn't stumbling or swaying while standing or walking.

[@ruthholbrook3590]

Such awesome commentary on this, Peter !!!!!!

[@brittabby]

Agree!!!

[@jackjon7763]

For everyone. The tail light could have cracked when she hit the car. Then during the missing time in the sally port the light could have been broken further. Bigger pieces collected and randomly over time dispersed in the yard. Just because defense says it’s broken doesn’t mean it shattered

[@Janet-rh1do]

Would he let her drive if she had what they are saying

[@susandaniels495]

No tail light broken in JOK driveway. There was a video that showed a complete but cracked tail light, at night with the light complete!.

[@dsmyyyth511]

The defense needs to call Procter. He will plead the fifth and that's the end of the case.

[@Bizzaro500]

When cops offer up testimony without being asked, it makes me question why are you introducing this and who coached you on trying to bring this into the testimony.

[@kristyreynoldsapaintersdau9016]

The lab person just testified the glass on the bumper didn’t match the drinking glass!

[@physics4290]

The part of the taillight that was still missing after they fit all the pieces together that they found is the same part that was missing the morning they found the body.

[@gwp4eva]

exactly! she cracked her taillight somewhere, and Proctor has know way of knowing where that somewhere is to be able to recover it

[@Songbirdstress]

Also broken parts were clean as a whistle. Despite being "out in the snow" for weeks

[@lorimcgowen9905]

I love the long form.... I learn so much from you.

[@brittabby]

Me too!!! Looove the longer videos!!