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Le labo de Michel

Le labo de Michel

Күн бұрын

This video shows the teardown of two Russian sensors. The first sensor is not a part of an Iskander missile but of a X-101 missile.
00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Optical sensor from X-101 missile
02:30 - 3-axis Fiber Optic Gyroscope (probably from Tornado MLRS)
Links
A picture of the first sensor with the optics:
photo.unian.info/photo/117351...
Several viewers have found the technical documentation of the Fiber Optic Gyro:
www.optolink.ru/documents/trs-...
Other information concerning the FOG:
en.defence-ua.com/industries/...
Technical documentation in russian:
ela.kpi.ua/bitstream/12345678...

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@cameronmechan1646
@cameronmechan1646 5 ай бұрын
I don't know why people were complaining about your english, it's better than a lot of people in the U.S.A ! keep up the great content, it's extremely interesting and unique!
@railgap
@railgap 5 ай бұрын
better than my French of German! We - the USA - are not the center of the world, folks.
@cameronmechan1646
@cameronmechan1646 5 ай бұрын
for real though
@edibandulan5266
@edibandulan5266 5 ай бұрын
I can't understand anything that black people say in Bushwick, New York.
@ZDM314
@ZDM314 5 ай бұрын
I understood them just fine
@luminousfractal420
@luminousfractal420 5 ай бұрын
His english is great -welshman
@billyjoel22359
@billyjoel22359 5 ай бұрын
First looks like an infrared seeker from either an Igla or Verba (probably Igla). It's a rolling airframe missile so the fact that it's a linear array of infrared sensing elements makes more sense than in an Iskander. The missile "rolls" at a relatively high rate (900+ RPM) and as it rolls it's building a virtual image from the rolling action of the missile This was a common technique with early "4th generation" surface to air systems that were prior to the ubiquity of the larger 128x128 or 56x56 focal plane arrays you see in more modern imaging missile systems from the early 2000s and didn't require as much processing power and techniques like this were a lot cheaper and production volume ready than true larger format FPAs in the late 80s and 90s. The same technique is applied in the US Navy RIM-116 except it also includes a pair of inline interferometers for RF detection/fusing against radiating targets like active seeker anti-ship missiles. The RIM-116 also has a much better linear array; 80 elements in a 80x1 focal array.
@user-lb8bg6kj9m
@user-lb8bg6kj9m 5 ай бұрын
wow the airframe rolls at 1000 rpm ! so that's a refresh rate of about 16 Hz. it probably does some interpolation between frames. still shocked that an airframe would be rolling at that speed. if the missile is not centripitally balanced, it would be doing a cork-screw through the air.
@txm100
@txm100 5 ай бұрын
I'm by no means an expert, but the rest of the components don't look like from these 4th gen SA missiles. They look way too modern. Why would you use old sensors but modern SMD boards?
@billyjoel22359
@billyjoel22359 5 ай бұрын
@@user-lb8bg6kj9m I've seen some open source documents that put the RIM-116 rotation rate in the 1000-1500 RPM ballpark and videos I've seen of the test rig for the seeker subsystem have it spinning at a very high rate, easily 20+ revolutions per second.
@billyjoel22359
@billyjoel22359 5 ай бұрын
​@@txm100 Partial modernization of older systems is pretty common as manufacturing techniques improve while you maintain the original system design. Largely because the testing and verification of weapons is extensive and time consuming. Upgrading too many things at once or changing core operating principles (even if the end result in the same) is generally seen as requiring repeating previously done verification and test programs because you've effectively built a new system. For this example, upgrading amplifier assemblies is easy to verify and show that it won't change how the core system works or functions, but replacing the seeker with a full-format FPA and a totally different digital imaging system is not equivalent and why you see old technology persist in either its existing flavor attached to new subsystems or in slightly different flavors as manufacturing techniques improve. Designing systems and building them is the easy part, the hard part is test and evaluation and making sure it works as close to the system goal as possible 100% of the time.
@AlexKarasev
@AlexKarasev 5 ай бұрын
@@billyjoel22359 An underrated comment. Any time system processing is changed in a non-trivial way, there are also security risks - not just information leaking but also software or hardware injection. I've heard that this is a bad enough problem in civilian space, to say nothing of this.
@aegis3d
@aegis3d 5 ай бұрын
Thanks MIchel for this very interesting content! From your previous video I understand there were some complaints on your English, but I find it very clear and comprehensible. Some of my coworkers are much harder to understand!
@notbfg9000
@notbfg9000 5 ай бұрын
It's the most stereotypical French accent and I love it :)
@continental_drift
@continental_drift 5 ай бұрын
Its sad that we are nearly at 2024 and some people haven't figured out how to use Closed Captions.
@jesusisunstoppable4438
@jesusisunstoppable4438 5 ай бұрын
​@@continental_drift I was Literally going to say the same thing.
@notbfg9000
@notbfg9000 5 ай бұрын
@@continental_drift I know how closed captions work, but the situation has to be very bad to make me bother to go click on a thing. Realistically I have the phone/laptop on a shelf and doing the dishes or soldering stuff or installing software on another computer while having the clip in the corner of my eye.
@luigiaqua2263
@luigiaqua2263 5 ай бұрын
It’s perfect froglish.
@nicoras8803
@nicoras8803 5 ай бұрын
The big micro chip is definitely not from a vacuum cleaner. Few things need a gyro. Definitely mil quality. Phase modulator can also detect angle of approach. Beautiful, I used to have a job designing that stuff when I was a younger man. Those connectors are very expensive. Silicone is also used for vibration suppression. That thing must be subject to extreme vibration at the speed it approaches. Thank you, it was very interesting. It is a bit more modern than when I was in defence research in the mid/late seventies, where angle of approach and speed was measured using Doppler radar.
@tedmoss
@tedmoss 4 ай бұрын
A bit more modern? that's a good one, probably from the early 80's.
@joenicotera2991
@joenicotera2991 2 ай бұрын
Optical or not, it's still an inertial gyro. So, the entire board can only do the one thing. It's a math exam..."I want to know my velocity." "Well, Sir, we can only know velocity if we measure velocity over a span of time." "Do we know my velocity yet?" "No sir, we only know what your velocity was. It isn't possible that your velocity is that any more." "Then why did you bother to calculate it?" "Because you are the boss Sir."
@henryyoung7184
@henryyoung7184 5 ай бұрын
I was not aware that FPGAs were used in washing machines, as Ursula Van Der Crazy assures us ;)
@vladimirassalukas6726
@vladimirassalukas6726 5 ай бұрын
Yes yes in washing maschines and in toilets, sure 😂😂
@otofoto
@otofoto 5 ай бұрын
Reusing components for production is not practical.
@henryyoung7184
@henryyoung7184 5 ай бұрын
@@otofoto Tell that to the un-elected EU technocrat who clearly confuses a spin cycle and media spin ;)
@KokoroKatsura
@KokoroKatsura 5 ай бұрын
@@henryyoung7184reported
@otofoto
@otofoto 5 ай бұрын
@@henryyoung7184 In her defence most in EU clearly couldn’t understand why TerroRussians are stealing washing machines and toilets. The concept is so alien that such ideas come up.
@davidparrot4669
@davidparrot4669 5 ай бұрын
encore des circuit que l'on ne voit pas ailleurs, c'est fou ... un grand merci pour le partage c'est toujours un réel plaisir.
@berbac1976
@berbac1976 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for these wonderful videos.
@Mike-H_UK
@Mike-H_UK 5 ай бұрын
Excellent. You obviously have very good sources.
@Exciting__Electronics
@Exciting__Electronics 5 ай бұрын
Very impressive, thanks for sharing 👍🏻
@marcuskoen7576
@marcuskoen7576 5 ай бұрын
very interesting teardown, thank you very much, sir
@jansejnost3112
@jansejnost3112 5 ай бұрын
Perfect work. Thank You !
@wolpumba4099
@wolpumba4099 5 ай бұрын
*Summary* - *Intro* - 0:10: Received two packets from Ukraine. - 0:13: First packet from Kiev, second from Dnipro. - *Optical Sensor from 9M727 Iskander Missile* - 0:29: Optical sensor, part of a Russian Iskander missile 9M727. - 0:48: Contains 16 photocells, likely infrared photodiodes. - 0:55: Bonding wires are missing. - 1:01: Four identical PCBs, each with four amplifiers. - 1:24: Central part connects 16 signals, likely with a single output. - 1:53: Ceramic IC, Russian made, dated 2004, possibly encodes the 16 signals. - 2:09: Plans to reverse engineer and possibly restore the sensor. - *3-Axis Fiber Optic Gyroscope (probably from Tornado MLRS)* - 2:45: Three-axis fiber optic gyroscope, likely from a Russian missile. - 3:37: Contains a roll of fiber optic using the Sagnac effect. - 3:44: Connected to an infrared LED. (Superluminescent LED DL-CS5153A, 1550nm, 40nm FWHM, 10..35mW, DenseLight, InP fab in Singapore) - 4:04: Measures light delay due to rotation, using a coupler and phase modulator. - 4:19: Phase modulator compensates for delay caused by Sagnac effect. - 4:48: Circuit includes three ADCs and three DACs. - 5:18: FPGA board from Altera, Cyclone II model. - 5:28: Board removed from assembly, wires cut. - 6:15: Plans to reverse engineer and possibly test the device. - 6:00: Noted missing components, possibly power supply. - 6:05: Temperature sensor observed. - 6:30: Intends further investigation and reverse engineering. - *Conclusion* - 6:31: Thanks viewers and anticipates a future video about the sensor. *Summary of top comments as of 2023-12-30* - Some commenters debate the origin of the optical sensor, suggesting it might be from an Igla or Verba man-portable air-defense system (MANPADS) rather than from an Iskander missile due to the rolling airframe missile design and the type of infrared sensing elements used. A few commenters express doubt that the first sensor is from an Iskander missile, with one noting that Iskander is a ballistic missile and would not have an infrared seeker. - There is a discussion about the use of older sensor technologies with modern circuit boards, with one commenter explaining that partial modernization is common to avoid extensive retesting while maintaining the core system design. - One commenter identifies the chips on a PCB as output isolators, suggesting specific models and noting the data path from the FPGA to these chips. - A detailed identification of a chip is provided, including its code, pointing out that it is an Altera/Intel FPGA. - There is a mention of a fiber optic gyroscope potentially being made from low-cost optics, with admiration for its construction. - There is an observation about the continued use of PTFE insulated wires in the designs. - Several comments note the reliance on Western components in Russian military electronics, with some expressing amazement that no domestic components are used and others remarking on the obsolescence of certain parts.
@TheLittleDeath1
@TheLittleDeath1 5 ай бұрын
No washing machines had been harmed in the production of that rocket.
@TheLittleDeath1
@TheLittleDeath1 5 ай бұрын
Selfmade chaff
@bigdevil73
@bigdevil73 4 ай бұрын
@@TheLittleDeath1😂10/10
@bobojamba
@bobojamba 5 ай бұрын
Без МГТФ ни одно изделие не обходится :)
@Mr.Leeroy
@Mr.Leeroy 4 ай бұрын
и гребаные винты под плоскую отвертку
@woopsserg
@woopsserg 4 ай бұрын
Меня убила платка с одной 591КН3 которую запихнули чтобы была хоть одна российская радиодеталь. Куча проводов и стеклянных изоляторов чтобы одну хренову микросхему мультиплексора в DIP корпусе присобачить. Запросто могли на одну из платок усилителей запихнуть в SMD корпусе. При том судя по датам на платах, 591КН3 минимум 10 лет на складах провалялась.
@biluser
@biluser 4 ай бұрын
Вот почему Россию считают отсталой почитайте ваши комментарии и западные ! Вы будущее России ? Нет война идет чтобы таких малограмотных мы больше в нашей стране не производили ! Привет из СССР
@someonethatuveneverseen3158
@someonethatuveneverseen3158 4 ай бұрын
не, оно работает, и это главное. но меня смущает компоновка оптического датичка (четыре наполовину свободные платы усилителей, а внутри на отъ..ись мультиплексор в дип корпусе, к нему веер практически не уложенного одноцветного мгтф'а) и в целом толщина текстолита. да, я разводил платы под многовыводные смд компоненты, да, я знаю, что ее однослойной сделать нереально, но кмон, почему у двухслойной платы толщина такая мелкая? такое ощущение, что это тот же текстолит, на котором я дома всякие поделки собираю. умели же делать нормально, достаточно посмотреть на советские военные изделия: толстые платы, прочное шасси, где надо, чтобы не было путаницы, вместо мгтф'а стоит мс какой нибудь и прочее, прочее прочее. ну, либо это я дурак и чего то не понимаю)
@iguigu2966
@iguigu2966 4 ай бұрын
не забывайте про гиперзвуковые скорости и ускорения. Это не смартфон.@@woopsserg
@MyMcMichael
@MyMcMichael 5 ай бұрын
The optical sensor is probably from a dryer to sense the wet clothes. And the gyroscope from a washing machine to sense if there are vibrations or so.
@0_741
@0_741 5 ай бұрын
Разбаланс в стиральных машинах определяется не по акселерометрам, а по величине пульсаций напряжения на обмотке таходатчика на двигателе. После амплитудного детектора измеряется АЦП и определяется величина разбаланса
@gustavevilleneuvedehoff-un5459
@gustavevilleneuvedehoff-un5459 5 ай бұрын
@@0_741ну ты секреты-то сразу не выдавай - секрет починки стиралки, это тебе не головку самонаведения разобрать, это дело серьезное!
@BertoldVdb
@BertoldVdb 5 ай бұрын
Almost, the gyro senses the rotation of the washing drum.
@rogeratygc7895
@rogeratygc7895 5 ай бұрын
@@BertoldVdb There have to be enormously easier ways to do that!
@donnie1581
@donnie1581 5 ай бұрын
Сатира@@0_741
@FixitFrank
@FixitFrank 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video thank you
@danobrien3601
@danobrien3601 4 ай бұрын
I once was involved in the early fibre gyroscope development as an engineer way back in the 80's .. gotta say I'm impressed with this Russian version . Looks very well made and the block diagram shows very advanced processing
@christopherleubner6633
@christopherleubner6633 5 ай бұрын
The first sensor looks a lot like a midwave IR spectrometer sensor. These used ferroelectric BST crystals mounted in a linear array. The light source is chopped blanked or otherwise moddulated.
@targetmann100ify
@targetmann100ify 5 ай бұрын
IN laymans term please ..LAYMANS term 🙂🙃🙂
@lindsaycole8409
@lindsaycole8409 5 ай бұрын
So that would mean it's used to target on laser-painted targets?
@herauthon
@herauthon 5 ай бұрын
IR > Heat seeking ; or Heat imaging (like FLIR) ?
@koopalad4
@koopalad4 5 ай бұрын
super la vidéo 👍👍
@Mzale
@Mzale 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the educational resources 🙏
@deplorablesecuritydevices
@deplorablesecuritydevices 5 ай бұрын
Invaluable just to see the high shock electronics packaging. Thanks for sharing.
@ArsenioDev
@ArsenioDev 5 ай бұрын
Michel, you're in the same region of ebay as I am! I was eyeing these to tear down after I had hands on time with them in Kyiv earlier this year. That FOG is from the TORNADO MLRS, I tore down four while over there
@lelabodemichel5162
@lelabodemichel5162 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information regarding the FOG.
@hamzaarif7249
@hamzaarif7249 5 ай бұрын
​@@lelabodemichel5162make a video anti tank missile teardown special request
@mojevalka
@mojevalka 5 ай бұрын
do you have some videos as well? it's quite interesting to see what's inside
@danobrien3601
@danobrien3601 4 ай бұрын
I thought if it was Russian ..Houston we have a problem .. looks very advanced
@Anton-dl7me
@Anton-dl7me 3 ай бұрын
@@danobrien3601 it could be foreign ICs and sensors assembled and/or lacquered by russians
@TheAtomstrike
@TheAtomstrike 5 ай бұрын
the last frames show places with missing details. There are traces of thermal paste left. It can be assumed that there were electric heaters that, together with temperature sensors, provided thermal stabilization
@Chris_Grossman
@Chris_Grossman 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting! Thank you.
@randyearles1634
@randyearles1634 4 ай бұрын
well done! thank you for the video.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 5 ай бұрын
Nice video - an interesting glimpse into military electronics, and a nice comment on Western-Russian military industrial complex.
@eumenius
@eumenius 5 ай бұрын
Nice build quality. Parts are indeed not sourced from microwave ovens.
@cogoid
@cogoid 5 ай бұрын
This gyroscope unit is used in the Russian Soyuz-TMA spaceship and also in the military missiles. It costs over $20K.
@ItsTristan1st
@ItsTristan1st 5 ай бұрын
Must be from washing machines. Ursula said so and she is so very smart.
@rdengin
@rdengin 5 ай бұрын
This one is from washing machine
@rzhevsky4934
@rzhevsky4934 5 ай бұрын
​@@rdengin главное верить! Ведь телеящег не врёт!!1
@mrshyman1257
@mrshyman1257 5 ай бұрын
​@@rzhevsky4934А ВВС ....точно не врет.
@toxicbisht4344
@toxicbisht4344 5 ай бұрын
you are amazing Keep uploading videos
@demos113
@demos113 5 ай бұрын
Nice work. 🙂
@viruslab1
@viruslab1 5 ай бұрын
very interesting, please continue
@dzv8799
@dzv8799 5 ай бұрын
The first sensor is very interesting!
@chilebike6556
@chilebike6556 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for that. Very interesting.
@fjs1111
@fjs1111 5 ай бұрын
good work!!
@dinkc64
@dinkc64 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting! You know, I think it would be nice to try to get one of those decoy dart missiles that come out of the iskander.
@ArsenioDev
@ArsenioDev 5 ай бұрын
Annoyingly hard to find, trust me I tried to buy one while there but no dice.
@joeds3775
@joeds3775 5 ай бұрын
One wonders if we could start a tiktok thing for influencers to go catch them...
@mostlymessingabout
@mostlymessingabout 5 ай бұрын
​@@joeds3775 they might trip on UXO. wouldn't want that on your conscience
@jenix102
@jenix102 5 ай бұрын
Ага, видимо кому захотелось стать мёртвым😂😂😂 "добыть захотелось ложные ракеты"😂😂😂 смешно, да.
@quantasplay
@quantasplay 5 ай бұрын
​@@jenix102, я далек от темы ракетного вооружения, но мне интересно, что за "приманки" выпускает Искандер и почему их так сложно достать
@vasiliynkudryavtsev
@vasiliynkudryavtsev 5 ай бұрын
5:44 The correct code for chip in center is "EP2C8Q208I8N", Cyclone II Altera/Intel FPGA.
@MrPopel
@MrPopel 5 ай бұрын
Pretty old one !
@marcusaurelius3487
@marcusaurelius3487 4 ай бұрын
@@MrPopelwhy use the newest if old works as well
@MrPopel
@MrPopel 4 ай бұрын
@@marcusaurelius3487 Because the old one are runing out of stock.
@K12war
@K12war 5 ай бұрын
Very cool!
@narcoti
@narcoti 5 ай бұрын
This is super cool.
@dmitrysmirnov9188
@dmitrysmirnov9188 5 ай бұрын
I doubt the first infrared sensor is from Iskander indeed. It is likely to be from one of the Russian surface-to-air manpad, like Igla or Verba.
@TR_P
@TR_P 5 ай бұрын
Yes, the ring at the bottom seems a mount to the airframe, and it is far too sub diameter for iskander.
@ItsTristan1st
@ItsTristan1st 5 ай бұрын
Also the construction technique looked more like something for lower cost systems.
@VasiliyLomovoy
@VasiliyLomovoy 5 ай бұрын
То что блогер с 20-тью тысячами подписчиков получил в распоряжение часть искандера - несусветная чушь сама по себе. Вообще, надо сообщить, для тех кто не в курсе - Украинский и Российский ВПК работали бок о бок до середины 2010-х годов, на протяжении 90 лет (со врем образования СССР) и поэтому на Украине полно компонентов используемых в российском вооружении производимом со времен СССР, но КОНЕЧНО не в последних образцах вооружения, которые уже разрабатывались или модернизировались в России в 21 веке. с оглядкой на тот факт ,что украинцы продадут какие угодно ВАШИ секреты, и не важно 0 друзья вы их, или вы их враги.
@ItsTristan1st
@ItsTristan1st 5 ай бұрын
@@u666sa not at all. And I have quite a bit of exposure to military electronics. It looks like commercial spec construction, almost from a drone or something like that. It is definitely not from an Iskander.
@anatolijku7242
@anatolijku7242 5 ай бұрын
@@VasiliyLomovoy ты чета не совсем понял... жители Северска жалуются царю что у них совсем плохо с врачами. и записали челобитную. ты забывши совсем что золото в ракетах - это нищета пенсионеров. нищенские зарплаты и просрочка у Пятерочки. твое фуфлогонство на теме убийства славян засчитано.
@bertkoerts3991
@bertkoerts3991 5 ай бұрын
Fascinating! I’m sure to follow your channel! Curious if these parts were expensive. I recently discovered the practical use of FPGA boards (I’m an hobbyist) and was recently explaining to my wife how well suited they are for robots (which a missile in essence is.. ) Thanks for your content! 👍😊
@hikistewart4040
@hikistewart4040 4 ай бұрын
I'm curious, did your wife appreciate it?
@paulnunya3429
@paulnunya3429 5 ай бұрын
Great video. 👍
@sheikbombalot5781
@sheikbombalot5781 Ай бұрын
Very cool! Beautiful hardware.
@PetrGladkikh
@PetrGladkikh 5 ай бұрын
4:34 Part number is МИОМ-001 - ends with "ОМ" which is indeed may be "optical modulator".
@cogoid
@cogoid 5 ай бұрын
The official name is "Multifunctional Integrated Optical Module". The stuff inside includes more than just the modulators. This is one of the most critical to the performance of the entire gyroscope components. The know-how of the manufacturer is precisely in these optical parts, while the electronics, as we see here, is built with the ordinary off-the-shelf components. These gyroscopes are (or at least were until recently) sold internationally, and a rather detailed information about them is openly available. Although the manufacturing is done in Russia, the company is actually half owned by foreign investors.
@teodor4ik183
@teodor4ik183 5 ай бұрын
Its cyrilic so not exact 😊
@TheAndyBig
@TheAndyBig 5 ай бұрын
@@teodor4ik183 In Cyrillic the abbreviation will look the same - Многофункциональный Интегрированный Оптический Модуль - МИОМ :)
@786otto
@786otto 5 ай бұрын
1550 MN Superluminescent led diode made by Superlum in Ireland
@craigcooknf
@craigcooknf 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting!
@konektocom
@konektocom 4 ай бұрын
I respect your knowledge.
@moimeme4840
@moimeme4840 5 ай бұрын
Salut Michel selon ton avis c'est une conception moderne selon leurs capacitée ? ou c'est un montage vitement conçut et peut précit ?
@ivan._._
@ivan._._ 5 ай бұрын
Military equipment does not require modern technology. The most important thing is reliability. There is a lot of gold on the board.
@FPV-questions
@FPV-questions 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for touching this important topic. Of course, FPGAs are not taken from fridges or washing machines. They get delivered to Russia, Iran and other countries.
@user-qv4fo6xp2w
@user-qv4fo6xp2w 5 ай бұрын
плис делали еще в ссср. обидно что в мире считают что у нас в России немогут делать электронику. Я как бывший работник завода который делал электронные компоненты скажу, у нас упор идет не на уменьшение и быстродействие а на надежность. Я лично принимал партии компонентов после изготовление и каждый элемент из партии проверялся под микроскопом. Да это дорого и энергоемко , за то на выходе получаются приборы которые могут пережить огромные ударные нагрузки и сохранить параметры.
@user-nw3qx7gp6s
@user-nw3qx7gp6s 5 ай бұрын
FPGA chips are manufactured in Russia, look for Google 5578TC094, for example, so everything has its time, perhaps in the next review, when Misha will disassemble the next block from the rocket, we will see it there.
@user-sr6pi5lp3q
@user-sr6pi5lp3q 5 ай бұрын
​@@user-qv4fo6xp2wсовок в электронике был лютым говном. Рашка может клепать разве что отсталую военку.
@FPV-questions
@FPV-questions 5 ай бұрын
@@user-qv4fo6xp2w зараз використовують 40нм процес, це хіба з електронним мікроскопом сидіти ггг. І ці плати рашка купує з-за кордону
@hamper3049
@hamper3049 5 ай бұрын
@@user-qv4fo6xp2w I've never heard of "Altera Cyclone II" being made in the USSR.
@edwardgilmour9013
@edwardgilmour9013 4 ай бұрын
Great work
@HTXKJ
@HTXKJ 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting! Can you draw shematic of the amplifiers from the seeker?
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 5 ай бұрын
I would bet you Michel, that the missing parts were taken off on purpose. SOMETIMES to much information can be a hindrance from victory on the battlefield. But that is only an assumption and not a fact. I like the videos fella. JOB WELL DONE !!!!
@vysmirnov
@vysmirnov 5 ай бұрын
5:45 - EP2C8Q208I8N - Cyclone 2 (EP2C), 8k LE (8), PQFP-208 (Q208), industrial temp range (i), speed grade 8 (8)
@whatsmyusername1231
@whatsmyusername1231 5 ай бұрын
Yikes! I hope Altera didn't actively help Russia develop their missiles....
@kityacat5419
@kityacat5419 5 ай бұрын
Hope it will not help anyone
@lindsaycole8409
@lindsaycole8409 5 ай бұрын
@@whatsmyusername1231 That is a very old FPGA design (going back to 2005 I think). So available for a long period before sanctions. Really need to see the manufacturing date code to see if it was actually imported by bypassing sanctions.
@dimchan9096
@dimchan9096 4 ай бұрын
@@lindsaycole8409 as a Russian engineer, I will tell you that sanctions do not work, Analog Devices, National Instruments and much more are freely imported into Russia not only through friendly countries, but also directly :)
@lindsaycole8409
@lindsaycole8409 4 ай бұрын
@@dimchan9096 Yes, be much easier to control machine tools and their parts and consumables than 50 dollar FPGAs. Commercial FPGA and general purpose CPUs can do everything you want to these days. Not like the 80s and 90s where sophisticated weapons needed high-end specialist asics.
@Javelin302
@Javelin302 5 ай бұрын
Super intéressant
@MrMamagoto
@MrMamagoto 5 ай бұрын
😮good content ,🎉🎉
@fredfred2363
@fredfred2363 5 ай бұрын
It would have been interesting to see the optics in front of the linear sensor. Unusual way of making the gyro. We use different techniques in aircraft avionics nowadays, using prisms instead of optical fibre. Fibre can move and vibrate causing jitters to the data rate. Imagine a police car siren coming towards you with a loose mounting for the siren. The tone wouldn't be pure. Same kinda concept.
@user-km8nf7fc4g
@user-km8nf7fc4g 5 ай бұрын
Оптоволокно не свободно. Оно находится в компаунде. Оптоволокно изотропно по длине. И это дешевле, чем использовать призмы, для которых надо еще сварить изотропное стекло. Fiber cannot move. It is filled with compound. The optical fiber is isotropic in length. And this is cheaper than using prisms, for which isotropic glass must also be welded.
@SandorPipei
@SandorPipei 5 ай бұрын
5:44 At the bottom right corner above the ADC the header it look like a JTAG header. It will be intresting to see if there are any kind of fpga configuration eeporm where the bitsteam for the FPGA is stored. I'm sure that even if exists it's content is encrypted. Merci beaucoup d'avoir partagé ces démontages avec nous.
@vov4ick
@vov4ick 5 ай бұрын
This is usual FOG, which are commercially available, i think there are no incredible interesting things inside.
@vasiliynkudryavtsev
@vasiliynkudryavtsev 5 ай бұрын
One of nearby SOIC8 chips is EPCS - the special Altera chip to store FPGA config.
@fredfred2363
@fredfred2363 5 ай бұрын
FPGA config data isn't typically encrypted. However reverse engineering the config is very time consuming (although it shouldn't be), as each bit of data is simply enabling latches in the logic structure. It's just logic after all...
@MrRossi1805
@MrRossi1805 5 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@armand4622
@armand4622 5 ай бұрын
Je suis bleuffé par ta capacité à récupérer ces composants sensibles, bravo !!!!!
@user-tn6tb9rl6c
@user-tn6tb9rl6c 5 ай бұрын
А эта микросхема в какой стиральной Машине стоит?
@78RSI
@78RSI 5 ай бұрын
Украденной в суржикстане!
@user-py3rl3zf6x
@user-py3rl3zf6x 5 ай бұрын
@@78RSI не украденной, а трофейной.
@78RSI
@78RSI 5 ай бұрын
@@user-py3rl3zf6x Даже не трофейной, а присоединенной.
@rzhevsky4934
@rzhevsky4934 5 ай бұрын
На этой стиралке изнacиLOVEали ни одну аксанку😂
@MrGoloder
@MrGoloder 5 ай бұрын
В бюджетоотмывочной
@true.is.around
@true.is.around 5 ай бұрын
90 % of russian weapons made by US/UK/France ... so great work...
@paulpaul828
@paulpaul828 5 ай бұрын
Bonjour, merci pour la vidéo, j'ai tendu l'oreille tout le long, mais je n'ai pas entendu combien il y avait de spires sur chaque bobine de fibre optique. Est-ce que vous avez pu le déterminer ?
@lelabodemichel5162
@lelabodemichel5162 5 ай бұрын
Non, c’est impossible à voir, l’ensemble est noyé dans un genre de colle pour la stabilité.
@cogoid
@cogoid 5 ай бұрын
Chaque bobine contient 500 mètres de fibre optique. Donc, environ 2000 spires, à peu près.
@thedownwardmachine
@thedownwardmachine 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this interesting video. Your English is fine, it is the world’s most common second language so there is a lot of variation in accents and thus it is normal to encounter it spoken imperfectly yet effectively. Cheers and happy new year to you!
@robbypolter6689
@robbypolter6689 5 ай бұрын
Altera is originally a US company and was bought by Intel in 2015. To this day, despite sanctions, Germany still supplies electronic components to Russia or has them produced there. Similar or almost identical parts can be found in Ukrainian rockets of the Tochka-U type. Originally from Russian production.
@sirdm9032
@sirdm9032 5 ай бұрын
I have a friend from Russia who works at a factory producing such microcircuits, somewhere beyond the Urals.
@jenix102
@jenix102 5 ай бұрын
В россии нет производства микросхем западными фирмами. Автомобили западные собираются, но микросхемы нет. Только русские.
@jenix102
@jenix102 5 ай бұрын
​@@sirdm90321:55 590кн3 Светлана, Санкт- Петербург. Рядом с финляндией😂
@magnifikus3
@magnifikus3 5 ай бұрын
Interesting to see, that there is no single domestical part, its all powered by intel and analog devices...
@dsfs17987
@dsfs17987 5 ай бұрын
it is even "funnier" if you know that some custom parts aren't even made in russia
@artip777
@artip777 5 ай бұрын
Altera were good stuff back in time before Intel bought them and became piece of overpriced shits. Same happened to Xilinx.
@HansCloos-fy8nq
@HansCloos-fy8nq 5 ай бұрын
"Borrowing" technology by Russia/USSR is already a tradition. They are a few years behind in development and they put Western/Chinese silicon structures in their ridiculous housings - true. But in the end, they effectively create a deadly weapon and kill innocent people with it. This is what they are really good at and this is their true nature.
@mullerstephan
@mullerstephan 5 ай бұрын
and probably most are fabricated not in the West, but in China
@GVGVIT
@GVGVIT 5 ай бұрын
@@dsfs17987 would not be surprised if it's made by jlcpcb or similar service.
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 5 ай бұрын
0:19 "calculator part" Yea that is a correct description.
@michaelj.galloway8809
@michaelj.galloway8809 3 ай бұрын
Thank You for this evaluation of the missal fiber optic giro part, [ I wonder how many are either, US or Eurepin parts ]
@user-ju7cf9iu8z
@user-ju7cf9iu8z 3 ай бұрын
Stop listening to the BBC and CNN. Russia has been producing all this itself for a long time.
@GOLD-ei3qh
@GOLD-ei3qh 5 ай бұрын
What kind of washing machine they are taken from?
@user-jr9vp8dq8k
@user-jr9vp8dq8k 5 ай бұрын
Ммм, родной мгтф
@andreiminin4738
@andreiminin4738 5 ай бұрын
Сейчас такого нет, хороший провод, изоляция температуру держит не хуже силикона и прочнее
@ggrisha87
@ggrisha87 5 ай бұрын
А вот и зеленоградцы подтянулись!
@user-yh9kx4dy8p
@user-yh9kx4dy8p 5 ай бұрын
@@andreiminin4738 В смысле нет? Вон на авито и прочих барахолках его полно. Можно новый напрямую с завода заказать.
@alexanderandreev7151
@alexanderandreev7151 5 ай бұрын
@@andreiminin4738 В магазинах навалом, хоть на озоне заказывай. Любой калибр, что есть по госту.
@user-zx5mo1zf9v
@user-zx5mo1zf9v 5 ай бұрын
КТО ТО ЖЕ НАРУШАЕТ СТАБИЛЬНОСТЬ. КОМУ ОНА НЕ НУЖНА. А ТУТ ДЕЛО ДОХОДИТ ДО ТЕХНИЧЕСКИХ СРЕДСТВ. КТО ОБЕСПЕЧИТ?! ГЛУБИННАЯ НАНАЦИЯ ЗЗЕВАЕТ, КРОМЕ КАК РАПРЕССИЯМИ ТИХУЮ ГАВАНЬ НЕ ОБЕСПЕЧИТЬ. НЕ ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО ГНАТЬ НА КОГО ГЛАВНОЕ ЗНАТЬ, ГДЕ ДОВЕРЯТЬ НЕ СТОИТ. ЧЕМ. НО КОГДА НАДО КЕМ НАДО ПРЕДСТАВИШЬСЯ, С КЕМ УГОДНО ДОГОВОРИШЬСЯ И ЧТО УГОДНО ДОСТАНЕШЬ. ИБО НЕТ ЦЕНЫ ДОПУСКАМ КОГДА ПРИНЦЫПЫ НАРУШАЮТСЯ, НАЧИНАЯ С МОРАЛЬНЫХ И НА ВСЕ-ПРО-ВСЕ ВЫТЕКАЮЩИЕ. И НАПОСЛЕДОК: ВИБ ПРОБОВАЛИ ЭТО КЛЕПАТЬ, А НЕ С ДИВАНОВ ТРЕНДЕТЬ.
@AKCrazyRussian
@AKCrazyRussian 5 ай бұрын
Awesome! Your English is fine.
@Oktokolo
@Oktokolo 5 ай бұрын
Is it just them cheaping out on a custom design or do we use standard FPGAs in such components too?
@heyhoe168
@heyhoe168 5 ай бұрын
You do. Javelins are FPGA-based.
@gordonwelcher9598
@gordonwelcher9598 5 ай бұрын
KZbin should require all videos to include at least one kitty.
@msylvain59
@msylvain59 5 ай бұрын
If you do not see a cat in a given youtube video, it's because he's busy controlling the camera.
@fredfred2363
@fredfred2363 5 ай бұрын
LOL! Yep!
@nchurly
@nchurly 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very interesting video. Also it seems i understand French!
@Spiegelradtransformation
@Spiegelradtransformation 3 ай бұрын
Ok, thank you.
@RaniVeluNachar-kx4lu
@RaniVeluNachar-kx4lu 4 ай бұрын
Fiber optic gyro with three axis of sensors measuring the pitch, yaw and roll the three plans of flight control.
@nibiruofficial4463
@nibiruofficial4463 5 ай бұрын
Стиральные машины не нашли?
@pauljs75
@pauljs75 5 ай бұрын
The IR sensor seems too specific in purpose to see much use and probably needs some special lens to go with it, but if the ring laser gyro has enough resolution that would be a neat piece of kit to back-engineer and have working on some kind of RC aircraft or drone. (Also wasn't the RLG something the U.S. shared with Russia as part of the agreement for joint operations in space? It's kind of funny to see it put on a weapon not long after they had access to it.)
@domovoy_sych777
@domovoy_sych777 5 ай бұрын
его достали из ворованного тостера с украины
@jenix102
@jenix102 4 ай бұрын
​@@domovoy_sych777а тостер произвели в китае по технологиям северной кореи... которые ей подарили русские в 1970х...
@danobrien3601
@danobrien3601 4 ай бұрын
fibre laser gyros drift long term but a missile flight is not long term .. minutes
@minetdbrogs9386
@minetdbrogs9386 4 ай бұрын
Can we reverse engineer all pcb boards or with extreme difficulty without the original software ?
@dtlt
@dtlt 5 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@dmitriysavelyev8059
@dmitriysavelyev8059 5 ай бұрын
Exactly the same sensor I have seen inside my washing machine
@Hepad_
@Hepad_ 5 ай бұрын
Michel, ça te dérange pas de montrer ton adresse comme ça ?
@AIexanderHartdegen
@AIexanderHartdegen 5 ай бұрын
il a masqué l'adresse du vendeur, mais pas la sienne. Ce gars est solide comme un rock.
@Hepad_
@Hepad_ 5 ай бұрын
@@AIexanderHartdegen C'est un total gigachad, qu'on se le dise
@user-sr6pi5lp3q
@user-sr6pi5lp3q 5 ай бұрын
Who selled this, how and for how much?
@Eng_Simoes
@Eng_Simoes 3 ай бұрын
Subscribed
@MissilemanIII
@MissilemanIII 5 ай бұрын
I see they have been Cat Scanned 😂
@phoneaccount6907
@phoneaccount6907 5 ай бұрын
Inspected, found nothing not known by cats. 🔬👨‍🎓🐈🐾
@user-jq7tc7qi5z
@user-jq7tc7qi5z 5 ай бұрын
0:37 "iskander" is a ballistic missile, not cruise missile.
@user-bj9yi2wp7m
@user-bj9yi2wp7m 5 ай бұрын
Искандеры бывают баллистические и крылатые
@pro-jecktbd6740
@pro-jecktbd6740 5 ай бұрын
@@user-bj9yi2wp7m так аффтар обозвал её крылатой, притом на картинке баллистическая 723-я, а речь идёт об обломках 727-й из Днепра
@user-jq7tc7qi5z
@user-jq7tc7qi5z 5 ай бұрын
@@user-bj9yi2wp7m не бывают
@user-bj9yi2wp7m
@user-bj9yi2wp7m 5 ай бұрын
"Искандер - М" - применяет баллистические ракеты, "Искадер - К" - крылатые из пускового контейнера.
@user-jq7tc7qi5z
@user-jq7tc7qi5z 5 ай бұрын
@@user-bj9yi2wp7m "Искадер - К" применяет старые советские крылатые ракеты Р-500. так что это другая ракета.
@remiechange5482
@remiechange5482 5 ай бұрын
Merci!! Analog device and Altera in Russian missile sensor....
@Gurnin
@Gurnin 4 ай бұрын
Bro, where does he source this stuff from?
@user-qv3iv8yn8p
@user-qv3iv8yn8p 5 ай бұрын
Прикольно, спасибо за видео
@user-uj8eb2ef4l
@user-uj8eb2ef4l 5 ай бұрын
И тебе спасибо за комментарии. Слава Украине!
@Rastimon1991
@Rastimon1991 5 ай бұрын
@@user-uj8eb2ef4l Конечно же в составе России
@meteor8076
@meteor8076 5 ай бұрын
@@user-uj8eb2ef4l Героям слава !! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@SIM31r
@SIM31r 5 ай бұрын
@@meteor8076 те что Белгород бомбили кассетами? Это террористы.
@vladi_g
@vladi_g 5 ай бұрын
@@meteor8076 Сала ты хотел написать?
@user-lo6hg3np8s
@user-lo6hg3np8s 5 ай бұрын
выяснили в каких стиральных машинах применяются эти чипы?
@elektrikpco
@elektrikpco 5 ай бұрын
Ща пойду в своей lg гляну... Если что - сразу на фронт
@user-hb9il9yq9s
@user-hb9il9yq9s 5 ай бұрын
Буквально на днях у себя в стиралке такой же гироскоп менял))))
@andreiminin4738
@andreiminin4738 5 ай бұрын
Я свои стиралки давно сдал, все для фронта, все для победы!
@alexeyl22
@alexeyl22 5 ай бұрын
а рашистские террористы от техас-инструментс каким-то образом взяли милитари-грейд компоненты? Что-то не видно милитари. Одни стиралки ворованные.
@alexanderandreev7151
@alexanderandreev7151 5 ай бұрын
Эх, жаль, у меня машинка немецкая, от неё не подходят.
@steveh2544
@steveh2544 5 ай бұрын
👍👍
@nakilakeddys.7571
@nakilakeddys.7571 5 ай бұрын
Where did you bought all of these?
@Palladln
@Palladln 5 ай бұрын
Там где полно всякого барахла валяется.
@russ18uk
@russ18uk 5 ай бұрын
Hopefully the Altera part wasn't supplied directly by Intel!
@user-lb8bg6kj9m
@user-lb8bg6kj9m 5 ай бұрын
intel inside 👍 and apparently outside too.
@ufukpolat3480
@ufukpolat3480 5 ай бұрын
First of all, there's no evidence that this was Russian manufactured. Secondly, these chips have been sold, resold and even cloned in various parts of the world for a while and the fact that it's an FPGA likely means it was used instead of a dedicated chip which could have been in short supply during those years when this unit was produced, perhaps even from spare parts left in a former Soviet state. I'm sure nobody uses FPGA parts these days because Russian military production has been steadily investing in domestic IC manufacturing capabilities as any nation deemed antagonistic by USA justifiably would.
@cantorgauss
@cantorgauss 5 ай бұрын
@@ufukpolat3480 no. Russia has absolutely zero IC factories. Everything is imported.
@woofkaf7724
@woofkaf7724 5 ай бұрын
​​@@cantorgaussну тут вы не правы. Есть они. Только конечно не для гражданки. В бизнес и военным делают. Скорее мелочевку не делают.
@rzhevsky4934
@rzhevsky4934 5 ай бұрын
​@@cantorgauss No. Вас обманули. В России около 10 заводов производящих микросхемы. Первая русская микросхема была представлена в 1964 году.
@sparkyy0007
@sparkyy0007 5 ай бұрын
Amazing the chips they put in washing machines these days...
@cdrom1070
@cdrom1070 5 ай бұрын
if they don't get the right shape of anything in there the design is fucked so if you deny a voltage regulator it will fail
@RRaucina
@RRaucina 4 ай бұрын
Nice. Now what the hell do you do with them?
@paultardieu9182
@paultardieu9182 4 ай бұрын
Do you have similar teardowns of Nato missiles parts?
@lelabodemichel5162
@lelabodemichel5162 4 ай бұрын
I have an optical sensor from Lantirn targeting Pod AN/AAQ-14 and also very interresting missile parts.
@alexanderbelkin5978
@alexanderbelkin5978 5 ай бұрын
Это контроллер от стиралки Индезит?
@user-km8nf7fc4g
@user-km8nf7fc4g 5 ай бұрын
Индезит отстой. Это Вятка - автомат!!!
@jenix102
@jenix102 4 ай бұрын
​@@user-km8nf7fc4gперемычку только вытащить, чтобы ток пошёл на плисину побольше, и тогда активируется военный режим работы (последний пуск)😂
@user-fh3mv2bo3d
@user-fh3mv2bo3d 4 ай бұрын
Фсе идеть по плану, стирать в проруби.
@eugenezagidullin4893
@eugenezagidullin4893 5 ай бұрын
It seems like they are still using their classic PTFE insulated wires
@msmith2961
@msmith2961 5 ай бұрын
PTFE insulated wires, such as MIL-W-22759, are still the aerospace industry standard.
@Oktokolo
@Oktokolo 5 ай бұрын
Makes sense. PTFE is pretty robust stuff well-suited for the coldest and hottest climates everywhere on earth. Don't want your wire insulation become brittle when stored for a few decades in some unheated storage in Siberia. And it has good dielectric properties too (so no need to use something else for HF applications). If it wheren't for the environmental issue (the stuff is known as a "forever chemical") PTFE would be used for everything everywhere. It's just such a good material.
@eugenezagidullin4893
@eugenezagidullin4893 5 ай бұрын
@@medved3027 how do you strip them btw?
@Oktokolo
@Oktokolo 5 ай бұрын
@@medved3027 I don't think, there is a good replacement for it yet. So they can't ban it because all sorts of industries need reliable wiring. And you really shouldn't use it as coating for your pans anyways - so if they ban that application, that's actually fine.
@bormisha
@bormisha 5 ай бұрын
@@eugenezagidullin4893Cutting pliers. You just need some practice.
@philipbrown2628
@philipbrown2628 5 ай бұрын
Surprised first item isn't potted in conformity to resist high shock loading and high G input.
@atrumluminarium
@atrumluminarium Ай бұрын
Is the iskander the one that was targeting toilets?
@user-nw3qx7gp6s
@user-nw3qx7gp6s 5 ай бұрын
золото и платино содержащие детали отправители cпиzдили :)))
@luisb7107
@luisb7107 5 ай бұрын
Strange that so many components are labeled I would have guessed that they would remove every marking from the components to make reverse engineering harder
@yurakondratuk253
@yurakondratuk253 5 ай бұрын
Видимо предполагалось, что после взрыва ничего не найдут
@Versette
@Versette 5 ай бұрын
​@@yurakondratuk253This. Or either it's not worth it since if people want to, they can still trace back even the shards (if there are any of the size of the crystal), or just through other info sources maybe...
@AlexKarasev
@AlexKarasev 5 ай бұрын
These are pretty ancient original designs, and exact chips can be identified by their microscopic fragments.
@Oktokolo
@Oktokolo 5 ай бұрын
The sensor and the gyroscope are probably both assumed to be already well-known by the enemy. Also, the Soviets really like to repair, reuse and recycle. Having correct markings on everything helps with that.
@SIM31r
@SIM31r 5 ай бұрын
@@Oktokolo The electronic component is disposable. Varnish is applied on top to protect against water. It is not possible to replace a part on an electronic board.
@LeandroAndrus-fn4pt
@LeandroAndrus-fn4pt 4 ай бұрын
So, now the important question is: which washing machines did they disassemble to get these parts?
@DallasPhool
@DallasPhool 5 ай бұрын
Ich bewundere die konzeptionelle Reinheit
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