LDS Church Doubles Down On Marriage

[@TheGoodeKing]

Greg, 51 years ago, I wrestled with God, the Spirit, over my same-sex attraction. I wanted with all my heart to not only qualify for all the eternal blessings the Lord could offer, but also to have the blessing of a family and posterity in this life. There was a lot of behavior I needed to change, and I worked to give up that behavior and return to the Church. I was 16. Now, I am past my 46th anniversary, have 5 amazing adult children, and 9 wonderful grandchildren. The same-sex attraction isn't gone. In some ways, it's as strong as ever, but I reman steadfast. What some people claim is advocacy for men like me is really discouragement. I can't tell you how many times people have told me I couldn't do it, so-called, self-styled advocates. I read somewhere recently "Just because I carry it well doesn't mean it isn't heavy." It's funny to see these advocates pat themselves on the back for encouraging people to leave the Church but have no encouragement left when it comes to encouragement to stay in the Church. I'm blessed that I don't need their encouragement, discouragement, or advocacy. I'm a big boy. I can handle the challenges with Christ's help. The load ain't heavy. He's my brother.

[@CwicShow]

Such a great comment! I appreciate your example. Look at what you have because you followed Christ.

[@digdudemoose2536]

Thank you for your beautiful testimony of truth. The Holy Spirit whispered to my heart. Just because the load is carried well does not mean it isn't heavy. I can do all things with Christ. It's not heavy, He's my brother. Amen!

[@stephaniewilliamson4611]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@elipsis6700]

Brother, your resolve to follow the Savior is incredibly inspiring! I wish more young people could hear your testimony, and understand that it IS possible to stay on the covenant path, and receive all the blessings HF wants to give them, even though it will take immense sacrifice. Thank you for sharing.

[@noskalborg723]

Thank you for this. As a man who was a porn addict for 10 years without ever saying porn was not immoral, i wish I could similarly share my story of struggling as a lifelong single since my endowment post-recovery. It's been difficult. But the features of the gospel help me to stay on the path because I want to. And i similarly resent those who claim to care about men's freedom when excusing or advocating for pornography. Thank you again for your testimony.

[@libbylee9-997]

I lived years of my life in unbelief and miserable darkness. I was nose deep in lgbtq lifestyle. Jesus Christ saved me from that false reality and feigned love and now I'm married in the temple.

[@mascotbenches5146]

Can you talk more about this please? I'm interested in the process you went through. I have some questions. A family member is in this situation and I want to understand how I help but focus on Jesus.

[@libbylee9-997]

@@mascotbenches5146 I am not sure how to help you, but I could try. My parents raised me Christian and always let me know growing up that they loved me and that my Heavenly Father loves me. They told me once that no matter what happens in my life if I loved Heavenly Father then I would always find my way back to Him. My parents set a foundation of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in my child self's mind and heart before I even really knew what it meant or who They were. A lot of bad stuff happened to me in my life. I was sexually abused, bullied, outcast by my peers my whole life, I was a slave to a porn addiction since I was just 10 years old. I held a lot of hate in my heart for everything and everyone. I didn't believe I was worth anything because so many people treated me badly that I eventually believed I deserved it. So I went on a huge obsessive journey to try anything and everything to find what I perceived at the time as happiness. I surrounded my self with unbelievers and abusers. I tried to fit into a community that lives morally depraved lives because I thought they were outcast like me and that if I was one of them, then they would give me the love and acceptance that I desired above all other things. All these endeavors ended in pain and more misery. During these times I would get desperate and pray like my parents had taught me and throughout all those years God would supernaturally intervene in my life. He saved me while I was getting hit by a car. I felt an angel pick me up and reverse the image the car had done. He saved me from falling off a cliff and other things like this. My parents continually and consistently prayed for me to come back to Jesus, for me to feel His love and that He is the truth I was searching for in all the wrong places. I remembered what my parents taught me every time I fell really hard in life. I would pray and God would show Himself and show me that He had the power to save me, and give me the love I always wanted. Satan tricks people. Especially lgbtq. He makes us believe that the immoral lifestyle we've chosen is actually THE right one. He gives us false happiness and fake contentment and feigned love. My family had faith in the Lord to save me and God never let me run away from Him for too long. Teach your kids about Jesus and when they are wracking their brains for a way out of Hell, they'll remember what their parents taught. And if you pray and fast in faith I believe that'll be the best you can do to give your child a fighting chance to find the Lord and be wrested from the clutches of the devil. It's not easy and my life has been very difficult and hard to live, but I now know just how much I'm loved and it made life worth living.

[@libbylee9-997]

@@mascotbenches5146 that isn't all. There's lots your child can do if they want to be free of their lifestyle and are willing to try. There's habits and life changes they can adopt that will help them break the cycle they're trapped in.

[@derekpratte7259]

Amazing and beautiful!

[@akmomof4]

As a Catholic, I truly appreciate your prophet and brethren supporting the true definition of marriage as that of between a man and a women.

[@CwicShow]

Let’s hope the Pope does as well. Right now I think he will.

[@akmomof4]

I hope so too!

[@marylim381]

​@@CwicShowPlease pray for him, that he and the bishops truly reflect the Truth of God.

[@mustanggun]

Our prophet is yours and the worlds prophet. Come join us.

[@TheRastacabbage]

The prophet and the apostles are for everyone. There's only the church of Jesus Christ

[@vendingdudes]

If the church DIDN'T emphasize the true doctrine THAT would be triggering to me.

[@RoyEbarle-pq4of]

Bacause they had no hg. This is the problem of being presidency.. they continue to build the kingdom of God in there own agenda(force). that's why God warns to everyone whose astray in his church.. this have no shame themselves bacause of the worldly treasure. That's why God prepared those who belong to outer of darkness.

[@MrRickb75645]

​@@RoyEbarle-pq4ofI don't understand who your talking about . Your comment makes no sense.

[@jameseverett9037]

I don't understand the desire to be a member of a church you can mold to your own will, or change by some democratic process or pressure from the membership. What would be the point? It's like looking for a doctor who tells you what you want to hear. I want a doctor who tells me eating homemade ice cream all day will cure my cancer. And that he only charges 50 cents for an appointment. I think we need doctors with less "hate" and more "love" for people who don't want any strict dietary requirements, or to pay more than they feel they can easily afford. Telling me to stop smoking or cut down on sugar is hateful, bigoted and nutri-phobic. I can't help the fact that I like sweets, and I can't help my desire to smoke. Besides, how can food that tastes so good be bad for you?? Huh? HUH??? I love ice cream, and you say that loving food is bad. How can loving something be bad? How can Love be a bad thing? God says to love, and that includes ice cream. Why are you people so hateful toward me, just because I like ice cream and cake? God doesn't hate ice cream, so why should doctors and nutritionists? It's not fair. You're preventing me from loving and enjoying my food. Stop the hate!

[@RoyEbarle-pq4of]

@@HomesliceDrummer you did not understand because you're blind eyes.. it's called the Great apostasy. Because They reject the new chosen. And I did not commanded you.. your lack of faith to the anointed one

[@RoyEbarle-pq4of]

Yeah. I'm not American.. it's not a matter . I'm just trying typing your language even it's hard for me to speak. I do not know how to speak exact word(English). But I understand how the way You speak. Your country cannot be trusted.. traitor.

[@joeswife]

Too many members seem to not really believe that the Lord is at the head of His church. The Prophet is a conduit, not the one who makes the rules, and can't change doctrine because it makes some feel uncomfortable. I stand with President Nelson.

[@jameseverett9037]

It kind of goes with the territory. Progressives still insist the USA is a democracy rather than a republic. They're big on democracy whenever they think they're a majority, not so much when they know they're a very small minority. And whenever it appears they're a minority, they feel justified in doing whatever it takes to "save our democracy" i.e. insure they win by whatever means necessary, even if it's not actually democratic.

[@stephanieargyle7328]

AMEN!!! I too, stand with the only living prophet of God on this earth, Pres. Russell M. Nelson.

[@scottwedge413]

I don’t believe “too many members seem to not really believe that the Lord is at the head of the church”, speaking of active and faithful members, the far majority believe that the Lord is head and Prophet Nelsen is a conduit. It’s a few and select minority, although very loud, that have an opposing view of this core doctrine. I would even argue few are even active and faithful that have this opposing view

[@sandraneale128]

Thank God for our prophets! To know God directs his Church is such a blessing. ‘Man proposes, God disposes’!

[@HamiltonRowan-r6z]

Prophets? What Prophets? Who are these old men leaders?

[@Joshua21136]

@@HamiltonRowan-r6z Look into Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon first to gain better understanding

[@Ily779]

Thank you. I feel genuine love for you because you have helped me so much. As a spouse of someone who struggles with SSA, I feel like you are able to see the struggle of those dealing with these difficulties and you are filling the gap of helping those who struggle to stay within the church and place their hope in Christ. The pressure is so immense and even people within the church to say it’s okay. Those who try to convince others that it’s okay and that there are no rules help no one, it will help no one in the end. Thank you for what you are doing, you see me even without knowing me. ♥️

[@CwicShow]

This is so kind and means so much to me. Thank you! I pray things work out for you. There is nothing more important than God and your family.

[@TheGoodeKing]

I'm 67 years old, same-sex attracted, faithfully married 46 years. Don't let self-styled advocates discourage you.

[@TheGoodeKing]

Actually I should have said, self-appointed. I don't think anyone can advocate for me without my permission. I don't need anyone representing me.

[@teralynyoung-ux5ws]

Elder Corbitt (GC April 2023): It speaks so well of you that you would protect or advocate for your precious child or show signs of solidarity with him or her. But my wife, Jayne, and I know from personal experience that teaching your beloved child why we all desperately need Jesus Christ and how to apply His joyful doctrine is what will strengthen and heal him or her. Let us turn them to Jesus, who is their true advocate with the Father. The Apostle John taught, “Whosoever … abideth in the doctrine of Christ … hath both the Father and the Son.” He then warns us to beware “if there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine.”

[@cubic-h6041]

Hit the nail on the head. 21:40 I knew people in college that were mad that the Church does baptisms for the dead. It was like they believed the Church actually had power and authority to do that, but they didn't like it. If they thought the church was just crazy, they shouldn't have had an issue with it. Similar with celestial marriage, they believe that principle is true, but don't like it and so it makes them upset. If they didn't believe it was true, they would just ignore it and it would be no big deal. They care because they know it's the truth, and they don't like it.

[@noahriding5780]

Its bizarre that someone wouldn't want baptisms for the dead if they really believed it had power and authority. Perhaps they missed the parts where these people are in spirit prison. The anguish of waiting for some way of getting out of spirit prison cannot be underestimated.

[@payaj2815]

Well I’m of the belief that they know very much that it is true. But they don’t want to have to change or comply with the requirements in order to have those blessings. And they’re angry because they want to have their cake and eat it too.

[@jameseverett9037]

Very interesting, isn't it? People are funny. I've grown convinced that everyone knows the truth deep down. And they tell you where to find it by their silly reactions to things. Almost like someone hiding their money and telling everyone "hey everyone, don't look under my mattress, because it isn't there". The same with the Priesthood thing. You'd think they'd all be glad that the church was blatantly racist so they could avoid such a false church, not be deceived into joining the wrong church, etc. and just laugh at how stupid we are. It saves truth seekers alot of time & trouble to see such "obvious" signals of being the wrong place to find truth. But instead they get angry, and can't just laugh and walk away, knowing that anyone with 2 brain cells would not give it the time of day. Because on some level, even they see through all the political BS and know that nothing in reality has ever been "fair" on their fake new-agey Marxist terms. I just recently saw an interview with Sam Harris, the famous Atheist, where he came right out and admitted he believes in lying to people as long as it serves his own agenda. Until I saw that, even I didn't think he was that incredibly lacking in self-awareness. So much for the "intellectual honesty" he claims for his standards.

[@heathermcdougall8023]

A God who puts perfectly innocent, decent people, and possibly many actually good people in a prison, is not a God worthy of worship. That's an immoral, unjust , wicked God.@@noahriding5780

[@justbob2133]

"There is disparity in truth...There is disparity in the eternities...Because there is agency." Very well stated, Greg. This one belongs on your Greatest Hits album! Glad to have you back in country😎

[@RltnspdEMA]

My wife and I have been watching your channel for a very very long time. This discussion needed to be had and we are thankful that you approached it with such Clarity and beauty! We appreciate all of your presentations. We find great hope and gospel value and what you teach here. God bless you brother, we sure love you!

[@nancyjex1214]

Thank you for addressing this and being a voice speaking wisdom and truth! The voice of the world is so very loud right now!!!

[@vendingdudes]

Greg this is far and away the best podcast I've heard in a while. So many nuggets of pure truth! We could just fire this up for an EQ class and have a great discussion. Keep up the great work.

[@CwicShow]

Appreciate it.

[@suechristensen4128]

Your awesome!

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

I am thankful for the loving, immovable stance our Gospel preaches for the world to hear.

[@jlyman1942]

Agreed....

[@greentree_]

@@jamestrek2570 I think he meant to say that doctrine never changes, it is eternal. We know that. Only policies change. We’ve seen that from the beginning of the world.

[@cherylporter6086]

@@jamestrek2570 Gods laws do not change. God gives his prophets additional insights, knowledge, and based on people’s openness to accept Gods teaching adjustments are made in the church to accommodate. Gravity is an unchanging part of the world on which we live. We cannot change that law. We can use the principles of physics to still do amazing things like fly but gravity still applies and understanding the principle of gravity only gives us more freedoms and abilities not less.

[@greentree_]

@@jamestrek2570 the Church was really new then, and they had limited knowledge, so I don’t blame someone from that time to have misunderstood or assumed wrong something. By now, in the very last part of the last days, we have had a lot of things revealed, things are much better understood than before - line upon line is given. Doctrine does not change, policies do.

[@jordan-xe2yb]

James trek is so smart guys. Haha

[@AdamWadeRup]

It is amazing to me how many seem to think they can dictate the Lord's Doctrine.

[@sportbros34]

Great video. This needs to be emphasized in our current culture. Great point on how the principle of agency is being detracted because of unfairness and equity.

[@bkgoulding]

One of your best episodes. You’re amazing and needed. Keep up the great work!

[@CwicShow]

Appreciate it.

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

Glad to see you're back in country and safe! Love the Prophet and Apostles!

[@CwicShow]

Alive and kickin’

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

@@CwicShow happy for that!!!

[@Kevin-ts7hf]

Thanks for this one. Truth isn’t always easy to speak or hear, but the plan of salvation is truly incredible.

[@trentonhansen8333]

Too many people mistakenly believe that Agency is an end in itself, when it is really a means to an end, that end being the ability to choose eternal life with God and our families.

[@robertpullis]

Good talk! I would only add that those who don’t marry in this life will eventually have the opportunity in the spirit world. Nobody will be denied exaltation because they never married in the temple in this life. We all will receive every blessing we are eligible to receive based upon our faith in Christ and how we live our lives. Those who are single who’d like to marry will be able to enjoy all the blessings of a celestial marriage eventually.

[@alindalt2897]

Absolutely!

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

That is a critical component that we do not advocate loud enough, broad enough, or often enough. Father will provide for all of His children every righteous blessing for which they qualify .

[@rolandsmith4394]

My children think my wife, who is attracted by those in the Great and Spacious Building, will eventually come around. She is making conscious choices in this life that will be so hard to unwind when she has no physical body, or husband, to help her.

[@TomPritchett]

Please share scriptural doctrine to this idea of dating and marriage in the eternities.

[@dmtm1111]

So perfectly true, but it it will be as resurrected beings during the 1,000 millennium.

[@nanciejepsen6614]

Thank you for your channel. I live in Denmark but I am a Canadian. It helps me so much to listen to a few you tube channels that speak the truth of the Saviour and his prophets I appreciate the way you kindly bring the subjects up and the great guests you have interviewed. Keep up the good work..

[@vonsowards1297]

This is the first time I have ever see the brethren get close to saying “well if you don’t like Celestial, let’s look at your other options” as if salvation was a multi-tiered price plan. I think the reason why they usually avoid that is because, as Pres Oaks said, getting people to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom is the mission and focus of the church. If we teach “that’s fine, consider these options” we run the risk of someone settling for a lower kingdom who would have otherwise been inspired to sacrifice more to get higher. Or even members using that as a way to absolve themselves of the responsibility of being a shepherd/minister to someone they don’t like. We’ve all seen or heard of those ward that like to “clean up the records” via excommunication or simple encouraging antagonist less active members to willingly ask to have their names removed. If we preached that lower levels are legitimate options to consider this mindset of convincing people of mediocrity to off load our sacred duty would run rampant.

[@yeti1002]

Well said, very true..

[@thoseclipsyouvebeenlooking1289]

We taught a guy on my mission who got excited that he could still sin, say like killing someone, and still go to a degree of glory. It got a little scary when we realized he wasn’t being hyperbolic and was planning out his next moves. We felt we shouldn’t go back for another lesson….

[@sotl97]

Yes, the focus is to bring all to the Celestial Kingdom. "This is my work and my glory. To bring to past the immortality and eternal life of man." Anything less than that is failure, which will bring despair.

[@yeti1002]

@@sotl97 yep , I agree 1000% .... Heavenly Father loves us more than we can ever comprehend . Anything less is not acceptable ...

[@yeti1002]

@@thoseclipsyouvebeenlooking1289 I think you should've gone back for all the lessons. Eventually the spirit was going to testify to him that the celestial glory and nothin less should be his ultimate goal . Sure , he's still exercising his agency , you did your part as a missionary .

[@jeremyhowemusic]

Key point in this episode is God’s plan allows for diversity of outcome based on what an individual chooses/wants. Those who fight for equity of outcome, regardless of individual choices/decisions sound similar to Lucifer and those who followed him. He/they don’t care about you/your choices & desires. You do what you’re told and are ‘saved’ like everyone else, but at the expense of your agency, while he/they take all the glory for your ‘success’. Sounds a lot like certain political ideologies/philosophies of men that want to destroy your freedom and ability to choose; which is NOT God’s plan.

[@brandonforbush8014]

Excellent episode Greg! I love how they reaffirmed the Doctrine of identity, marriage, and Exaltation. Choices do have consequences.❤

[@CwicShow]

Thank you!

[@kerstenlindhardt1653]

I’m grateful for the scriptures and modern prophets. Thanks for going over this and being a voice for good, Greg!

[@CwicShow]

My pleasure!

[@ruthmartin9424]

I've followed your podcasts for a number of years. You have taught true principles concisdly. THANK YOU!!

[@brentyergensen2257]

Most important topic in the church today amid the surrounding cultural shifts. Well done Greg.

[@curtisblanco4029]

If the church were to change their policy regarding gay marriage in the temple I would seriously question the church's connection to God.

[@joesines7583]

I like the way you lay it out. Thank you!

[@CwicShow]

Glad you like it!

[@TheCourtesy100]

I wish I could give this video a hundred likes! Thank you for the clarity with which you explain the connection between the principals and the points of Doctrine. This helps me immensely!

[@CwicShow]

You're very welcome!

[@carlatamanczyk3891]

Since the Family Proclamation is founded upon doctrine - i believe that indeed makes it doctrine.

[@larrybates8291]

It’s important to point these things out with respect to our eternal happiness. A caution however. Too many members think that they are not worthy of the Celestial Kingdom. The minority that Greg is talking about does not refer to members of the Church who struggle to be what the Saviour would have them be. Mortality is a time of trial and tribulation. Those who have a testimony, or a struggling to gain that testimony, are not the ones the Brethern are addressing. We know that it is by grace that we are saved, as pointed out in 2Ne. 10: 24. Also, take a close look at Alma 33, starting in verse 16. Struggle is not the demarcation line as to whether or not one makes it to the Celestial Kingdom. Humility and looking to Christ, and doing the best we can is what does it. Pride and wanting to change doctrine to fit our behaviours is what will keep us out. Elder Bednar’s address regarding Those Of The Last Wagon clearly emphasizes the role and the importance of those who feel that they are among the least of us. To these the Saviour wraps His ever loving arms around. To those who feel among the least the promise is that you are going to the Celestial Kingdom. One of the biggest influences in my life was not Bishops and Stake Presidents, some of whom I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel for because of their haughtiness, but rather a greeter who shook my hand every Sunday when I went to Church. He was so humble and self effacing. As a youth I looked forward to seeing him. The Gospel is true. Do the best you can, which means don’t compare yourself to others but to you, and you will make it. You will stumble and fall on occasion, but when you know who to look to for help in recovery He will reach down and raise you up. Keep on the covenant path!

[@rolandsmith4394]

Love your encouraging attitude. It is awesome. But beware of conflating salvation with exultation. Church things lead to salvation for all. Family things lead to exultation. There is no greeter who can do that, unless he was your father or husband, as well.

[@larrybates8291]

I am referring specifically to exaltation for those who do not see themselves worthy. We must be very careful in trying to parse words. This is where where pride can enter in and discouragement and depression be put upon those who do not see themselves worthy. I fear too many who see themselves as “living the law” are going to fall short because their “worthiness” for callings places them above the common folk. The Saviour promises exaltation to all who choose the covenant path even when they stumble and fall. Mosiah 26 points this out very well.

[@MrMocheeks]

@@larrybates8291agree - worthiness is also about choice. We are worthy through choosing to strive - Christ’s grace saves. Worthiness is not flawlessness.

[@justbob2133]

Well stated! "Christ's grace saves. Worthiness is not flawlessness." There has only been one to walk this earth without sin. All the rest of us fall short of His glory in this life. Our choices matter. He knows our heart, we will receive the degree of glory that we desire. If one chooses to live a Telestial existence they won't desire Celestial glory. "Think Celestial"😊

[@rolandsmith4394]

@@justbob2133 again, using "saves" and "salvation" in a discussion immediately tells me a person IS'NT talking about eternal lives. I think what RMN said was to transcend that mindset. It is hard to do, apparently.

[@ARKOFOURSAFETY]

Excellent Pod! The Gospel path is incredibly narrow and straight. I like your emphasis on two plus two equals four. We can pretend its five and write 5 but its actually 4! We have to stand and be counted! DEI out and Jesus in!

[@annecarroll3429]

One of your very best presentations....thank you.

[@zionmama150]

Thanks for speaking TRUTH

[@kellymcdonald1895]

Thank God we will not bend!!! I recently watched a podcast of David Alexander and someone wrote in to him saying there are many who would just not be comfortable being bathed in all that light in the celestial kingdom, they would feel out of place, or guilty, or any of those things, they just would not want to be there.

[@kattod11]

They can leave the church, but they can’t leave the church alone.

[@WilliamPhillips-m9j]

Indeed

[@loueli1]

Thank you President Nelson and Elder Oaks and Elder Christofferson for re-emphasizing the basic gospel principles that our choices do have consequences! I’ve thought for years that we need to teach our children that our choices do have consequences for an eternity!!!!

[@TrebizondMusic-cm6fp]

I've been a bit anxious, fearing that the Church leadership might continue to bend and virtue signal. It already sets my teeth on edge when I hear any of them use the alphabet string instead of talking plainly about same sex attraction like they used to. So these talks this last conference were reassuring. I've been on that side, the side of the shrill, spoiled descendants of pioneers who think that the Church needs to change with the times. I'm glad the Church didn't try to placate me then, and I repent of those conceits.

[@fdhakansson]

i add my gratitude to the Father's perfect plan of Charity.This was all made possible through Jesus Christ.

[@brianclark4973]

Thank you, Greg. I love your commentary, and it was wonderful to hear the prophets during General Conference. Agency is a powerful and wonderful gift from God. And we get to BECOME what we choose to be here on Earth. Pretty awesome.

[@sheri8331]

I just discovered you. Thank you for your show on Marriage. I will definitely be showing this to my trans 17 year and other adult children. The world is a crazy place. The gospel is eternal. I love how you emphasized we have a choice to accept or reject it.

[@barbarabennett5385]

Thank you for this wonderful presentation with the messages of the Prophet and Apostles to explain the restoration and purposes of God.

[@MikePeterson-x5u]

I’ve always wondered why many parents in the church, seem to treat their LGBTQ children differently than other children that struggle with other things that keep them away from the church. If they struggle with the word of wisdom, have problems with morality(heterosexually), have problems with the law, etc., they don’t complain that the church should no longer consider those things commandments. Instead, they continue to love them, pray for them, and hope that they will some day repent and come back to church. However, with LGBTQ, they feel the church is behind the times and many fall away from the church along with their kids, rather than supporting them with love, prayer, and eternal hope like many would for other transgressions.

[@dalfar1161]

Awesome video. It helped me put into words what I have been thinking for so long (especially that disparity is an eternal principle). I’m tired of hearing about the “pain” caused by President Nelson’s talk.

[@digiphot2]

Bro RexGoode, Bless you FOREVER. You are an extremely BRAVE AND COUREOUS PERSON !!!! THANK YOU EVERSO MUCH.........

[@brucedixon5185]

Thanks for the honest, frank thoughts.

[@annhatch2974]

Thank you for your words and for addressing this topic. This is definitely a topic that needs more light shed on it to remind us of God's word and his plan. It can take the guesswork out of the gospel and puts the focus on eternity.

[@patrickluchycky1172]

Perfectly said. Perfectly explained. Perfectly articulated. Thanks again.

[@CwicShow]

You’re welcome

[@terristillwaugh3063]

Don't make me responsible for my own future.....that is what many in our general society want. This is a great video Brother Matsen. Thank you!

[@CwicShow]

Boom

[@linnjensen7469]

Excellent break down and analysis of doctrine versus modern thinking and trends thank you for this perspective

[@CwicShow]

Very welcome

[@charlesfinn-z4d]

We can choose choices, but we can’t choose the consequences. Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments.

[@ProfitLikeAProWithPetty]

1 Nephi 16: “2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center. 3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might walk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us. 4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.”

[@rwnordmark]

Great video Greg. It is filled with a lot of truth,

[@johngore488]

Very refreshing to hear the way you have explained how we are responsible for our destiny, based on our decisions and choices, I have always wondered why so many who have left the church and yet cannot leave it alone, too many of us fail to accept disparity as a reality, hoping that all will be well no matter our choices. Thank you for you willingness to address this false narrative 🙏

[@buddyrobinson2453]

Good stuff. Appreciate you putting this together for us showing key points and explaining the whys and providing great examples. Well said all around. Thank you!

[@blainepalmer5967]

Now this is your strength. Great presentation. Thanks

[@CwicShow]

Thank you!

[@jenme7926]

Everyone should hear this!!

[@terryforster1957]

This video masterfully pulls together aspects of the Plan of Salvation pertaining to agency, exaltation and the focus of the Church in such a way as to bring understanding and purpose to the counsel given by our leaders and by a loving Heavenly Father. The doctrine of exaltation and the kingdoms of glory are considered from a place of opportunity and as stated, equality of opportunity. It is our agency, our choice to decide who we want to become, where we want to be prepared to be. They give counsel to help us reach as far as we desire. Thank-you for pulling this together in such an organized and succinct format!

[@GrandmaKnightLife]

I liked how you said “if you don’t want exaltation you don’t have to worry about it!” That made me laugh ❤ then I remembered the verse that says if we humble ourselves before God He will lift us up (exalt us). That would be kinda stubborn of us if we humble ourselves before God and then resist Him exalting us. I just realized that. But I was told to make small, reachable goals. Maybe the resistance to allowing God to exalt us comes from a fear of becoming prideful (the bad kind of pride). I guess it depends on what true humility really is. Thanks for this episode ❤

[@parker_chess]

Loved the video! I'm a new convert and one thing I don't understand why people can't separate legal law vs law of God. I have no problem if people want to have a same sex legal marriage but this doesn't mean this marriage will be represented into the eternities and recognized by God. The prophets have to speak the truth even if its not popular opinion of the day.

[@stephaniewilliamson4611]

What is marriage? The purpose of it?

[@parker_chess]

@@stephaniewilliamson4611 We know through the prophets exaltation is not possible alone but through the sealings. Genesis speaks about us becoming one flesh when united in marriage. For whatever reason God instituted marriage for this purpose.

[@stephaniewilliamson4611]

@@parker_chess I would have gone with a simpler more blunt answer. Marriage is to have children and bring them up in righteousness. Exaltation is eternal motherhood and fatherhood. Therefore, you cannot call something that isn't marriage, "marriage."

[@tgray747]

Thank you for your insights and perspective on this.

[@curtisblanco4029]

Nobody doesn't want exaltation. They might think they do. If they think this it's only because they don't understand what it is. Probably none of us do at this point. But I do trust the scripture, 1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written: “Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.”

[@rolandsmith4394]

Yet there are those posting on this very channel who say "I'm happy with terrestrial." I hear it all the time. We hear it in these kinds of statements: "you be you" and "God loves you just the way you are." Greg gave this example: "if there is no gay sex in the Celestial Kingdom, I don't want it." Satan is so powerful, he has convinced people to give up on exultation for themselves and others.

[@cubic-h6041]

I'm pretty sure there ARE some people that don't want exaltation. Some people don't want to live in the presence of someone (God) who "dares to hold one type of marriage better than another". Some people don't like God's commandments and don't want to live with him. Just as some kids don't want to live with their parents because of "stupid rules". It is sad, but it's what they want.

[@tiffanyseavy565]

​@@cubic-h6041no it's what they THINK they want because Satan has tricked them and blinded them to the Truth. Like a jealous, and vengeful divorced parent that turns the children against the other parent.

[@steener76]

I know a lady who left the Church. Extremely active and knowledgeable. Afterwards she said how she didn't want the Celestial kingdom because if everybody she knew and loved couldn't be there, she didn't either. She made a choice. Albeit a choice based in total ignorance and a lack of faith and understanding of God's plan, but a choice nonetheless.

[@tiffanyseavy565]

@@steener76 she made a choice to worship false idols. Christ said anyone that loves his mother or father more than me doesn't deserve me

[@paulblack1799]

I have asked the Dan McClellan types and the Jim Bennett types to explain that since it's the nature and purpose of the Kingdom of God (highest part of the celestial kingdom) to further the generations of God, how do they expect males alone or females alone to accomplish that. Show me what that looks like and I'll support it. I have been met with silence or angry accusations of being a sexist, racist, bigoted, patriarchal homophobe. I'm still waiting for answers.❤

[@Amanda-yf7vj]

Thank you for bring up this doctrine!! Im so greatful that we have a church that does not change with the whims of the world!!!

[@conradbolter102]

Thank you making this so clear. I am ever so thankful that I have the choice to be reunited with my recently deceased wife someday. I would also like to invite you and your listeners to the open house of the Orem Utah Temple. It starts on October 27.

[@MommaCrissa]

Keep standing strong. God's loving arms are around you via his spirit. ❤

[@BreatheDJOY]

Truth Well Presented ~ Thank You! I Could say Much More ~ Albeit~~~ Enough words from me for now ☯️🕊 🗝Pure Truth Matters ~ Always 🌀❤️

[@johnchildree782]

Like God, His truths never change. They are from eternity to eternity. And what he teach one He teaches all.

[@valkraus5255]

Folks should listen. Joseph Smith stated that the Telestial Kingdom was so much greater than this life, and some murderers get to go there. Where is the Jealousy? All options, except outer darkness, is incredible. We don’t teach a depressing purgatory.

[@leeannrenfro9403]

I love your videos. So very needed at this tenuous time. The saints are becoming so divided…my ward is quite a hot spot. I do think, though, that not just “a small minority” will receive a celestial reward. The atonement is infinite and eternal, and we have a perfect Father and Son who will make every effort over as much time as it takes to bring their children home.

[@dinocollins720]

Another fantastic video!!! Thank you!

[@Jan-wd1is]

I'm just surprised this has to be explained so much to members! It is a basic doctrine of Gods plan for us!

[@sherigraham3873]

Truth is truth. Meritocracy decides the outcome. This is so well stated and I appreciate your pulling out these superb talks and their focus. We earn our outcome through our efforts. It's only fair and correct.

[@parkcityprimarychoosetheright]

Thank you for putting out this video on the core doctrine that was taught from President Nelson and others this past conference. I was hoping that you would of talked about it. I need to point out that Emily Belle Freeman on her last podcast Inklings Institute, she talked on President Nelson’s talk “Think Celestial” and she totally skipped over the doctrinal points of his talk (The Family Proclamation) and only talked about “the feel good”narrative. She did the same thing on her podcast last year (Don’t Miss This) when the Come Follow Me lesson was on the proclamation… skipped over it there too. Why??

[@CwicShow]

Why do you think?

[@parkcityprimarychoosetheright]

@@CwicShow it appears to me that most of her followers, supporters on her social media placate to the philosophies of men, and maybe, she, then placates to them? I may be bold in stating this, but it’s a form of priestcraft being taught.

[@rolandsmith4394]

​​@@CwicShowfew people know what "think celestial" even means. When is the last time you have heard anyone in the Church refer to Section 132? How many think that the Endowment is based in corruption (a fallen and marriage crazy Joseph, plural marriage, Masonic Rites). The wavering, even of those who practice in our Temples, is astounding.

[@micmacc2014]

@@CwicShowCharlie Bird & Company. The LDS Living crowd. It’s her money maker.

[@ruckin3]

Emily is a feminist. Wake up people! Feminism is mainstream in the membership and she now leads the women. Feminism sounded really nice because it had the word feminine in it but it's deceptive in the same way that people think BLM sounds good because it uses the word black . Feminism is the base/core of Woke ideologies and yet members support it on wholesale......say good bye to family formation!!! Oil and water!

[@alivanz]

Fantastic recap and summary! Thank you!

[@CRS-zs5oe]

Amen, thanks for sharing. The Apostles are making it very clear what the Lord's standard is. God is at the helm.

[@DianeRoman-bj5sg]

Great solid and straightforward commentary on these talks explaining the beautiful and amazing doctrine of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thank you Greg.

[@CwicShow]

Thank you kindly

[@jeannettezinai3213]

Thank you for standing up for God's word. Not the worlds

[@behunin1963]

Glad to see that people still believe they can tell God how things work instead of accepting how reality truly is.

[@LK-mo8bj]

BYU 2001, my Pearl of Great Price instructor asked on the 1st day of class: "Why do you want to go to the Celestial Kingdom?" Then told us to consider it because he would ask us again at the end of the semester. No one had ever put it to me that way before and it totally shifted my perspective. It's not for everyone and certainly not for the faint of heart. Many people would be happier in the Terrestrial Kingdom.

[@cliffsheets73]

28:00 Elder Christofferson's brother struggled with SSA and lived in a same-sex relationship for years and when he decided to come back to the church he basically committed to a life of celebacy. It's possible to be an active, Temple-worthy memeber and suffer from SSA.

[@sbm3134]

For sure. Even us straight individuals abstain because the attraction for a relationship is the same whether you’re gay or not. It’s just as hard for straight individuals as well. I know so many singles that have never been married & may not be in this lifetime. I’m sure it’s a struggle at times for them to not give into temptations of just throwing in the towel & date like the rest of the world. Myself included. It’s hard but it can be done if one is strong in their faith & wants to follow the Savior.

[@angelinavickers8584]

Thank you Greg, I’m so pleased to listen to the conference talks that teach us and confirms truth. We have such a loving Heavenly Father with a plan that allows ‘all’ of his children an opportunity to have the highest and best but it is a choice. I feel blessed to have found the truth thru the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. May we never bend to the philosophies of men that want us to reject truth to satisfy their egos and ultimately follow the son of perdition.

[@Aristotle33]

Thanks!

[@CwicShow]

Thanks Jim. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@ruckin3]

does half that go to YT? If so, you should post elsewhere so you get all of it Greg

[@jum5238]

Wow! POWERFUL closing Greg! Last few sentences...

[@EfrajimOilcan]

Only morality in our ACTIONS can give beauty and dignity to life...our beliefs should encourage actions that align with God's instruction. Great Video! Did anyone feel blessed to have a prophet when Pres Oaks read the proclamation on the family from 1995 in 2023?

[@grbta1124]

Great job, a firm, kind reminder of who our Saviour is and what His church seeks to accomplish in concert with Him. I think it is important to realize that striving for something is not necessarily being perfect in that which you are trying overcome. Elder Bruce R. McConkie stated: We don’t need to get a complex or get a feeling that you have to be perfect to be saved. You don’t … The straight and narrow path leads from the gate of repentance and baptism, a very great distance, to a reward that’s called eternal life. If you’re on that path and pressing forward, and you die, you’ll never get off the path … Now is the time and the day of your salvation, so if you’re working zealously in this life-though you haven’t fully overcome the world and you haven’t done all you hoped you might do-you’re still going to be saved. You don’t have to do what Jacob said, “Go beyond the mark.” You don’t have to live a life that’s truer than true. You don’t have to have an excessive zeal that becomes fanatical and becomes unbalancing. What you have to do is stay in the mainstream of the Church and live as upright and decent people live in the Church- keeping the commandments, paying your tithing, serving in the organizations of the Church, loving the Lord, staying on the straight and narrow path. If you’re on that path when death comes-because this is the time and the day appointed, this the probationary estate-you’ll never fall off from it, and, for all practical purposes, your calling and election is made sure.

[@abeck78]

One thing that some of those who would settle for the Telestial forget, is that they won't be resurrected until the second resurrection. They won't have a physical body until the end of the Millennium. So those who have spent their adult life fulfilling their physical appetites outside of a marriage between a man and a woman are going to be left feeling pretty empty and unhappy. Of course that will go for anyone living a Telestial law.

[@solisprime2669]

What of a man who lives righteous but never marries and has kids would be be worthy of celestial glory then if so why not exaltation. Personally find the limiting of marriage and kids to be a harm then a benefit to man. Like me I want to serve and do God's command but not marry or have kids the very though being honest both disgust and angers me mainly because I want exaltation but despise the limitation and imprisonment of having to rely upon others instead of simply myself for I can trust myself I can never trust another. I can never trust my wife to have my best interest or those kids better to rely on myself and serve God alone then shackle myself to well another person.

[@avoice423]

The power and privileges of God just can't be given to anyone. But only to those who can be trusted to do the right things every time. Perfection. Perfection takes time even for those who are raised to the celestial. The atonement gives us the grace to be continually on the path to our ultimate goal.

[@bryanl.taylor6249]

Excellent review. Thanks

[@kevinferrin5695]

Jesus Christ doubles down on marriage!

[@emh7956]

God's children can choose the life they want to live here but they cannot choose the consequences of the path they choose. They cannot choose the outcome.

[@PatSmart-uk4vz]

We all have challenges that seem insurmountable. Realizing we can't do it ourselves, some people quit. Others whine and complain and insist something is wrong with the plan. But others, like Nephi, say, "OK. Where do I start? Where do I go to get the ore to make the tools to build the ship that the Lord wants me to build to get me where I need to be?"

[@phantom20071]

Excellent presentation my friend! I cannot imagine a more important message at this time, especially for members of the Church, some of whom think that the requirements for salvation and exaltation are somehow negotiable.

[@villainrack]

I love the doctrine of the three kingdoms of glory! It is a perfect example of the Father being both merciful and just.

[@Irvingdector]

Great episode

[@CwicShow]

Thanks.

[@miker56]

@Cwicshow Greg, can you sometime talk about the other two levels of the Celestial Kingdom ?

[@magapefarmshomestead6453]

Everyone can choose what they want but that doesn't mean that that is what they will get in the eternities if it goes against the knowledge and desires of God in righteousness

[@joybischoff9558]

Beautifully presented. I was praying you would be safe on your travels. Glad you're back.

[@dagneytaggart407]

I have missed ya!❤

[@benlomond8055]

Possibly your BEST commentary to date every word spot on AND TIMELY!! I do have a comment if you'd allow an email exchange on your words 24:00 minutes in when you speak of a physical body and "for what ever reason" ohhhhh that reason I know we know or we should know if we're tuned into the scriptures/revelations and it's a critical one.... may I?

[@CwicShow]

cwic at cwiconline dot com