Lead PFF Analyst DEFENDS HIS Take on Jared Goff, Detroit Lions

[@matiasgazzarri4959]

Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins being above Goff invalidates the whole list

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

Cousins has never had the line that Goff has had and I'm a lion's fan

[@paulmayer8654]

People forget how well Cousins was playing last year because his team was losing due to an insane amount of fumbles.

[@silent1759]

​@@RafiqWashington-tx7idlmao

[@L13production]

Word

[@Djturnt]

​@@RafiqWashington-tx7id cousins had talent in Minnesota yall idiots

[@LDVTennis]

Big-Time Throw is an imaginary stat. There is no evidence a high percentage of "imaginary" throws contributes to scoring or winning. PFF is a sham.

[@silent1759]

Exactly

[@adgee5401]

Without looking, I’m sure Josh Allen ranks at the top of this list?

[@jujijime]

I applaud Woodward Heavyweights for bringing on special needs analysts to give their takes, no matter how ignorant and biased they are.

[@victormaniaci2104]

The Lions have had a top 4 offense the last 2 years. In that time Goff has had top 5 stats in the major passing categories. PFF is using a made up stat to say Goff is middle of the pack.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

You didn’t post much objection to PFF saying a bunch of their players were the top among the under 25 crowd. Did you? Ya. I didn’t think so.

[@JaredBruski]

​@thomaswatkins3686 you always yapping 😂

[@JoeSmith-ey2xp]

Everyone forgets about Fran Tarkington when talking about duel threat. That dude was as elusive as any quarterback I've ever seen.

[@daveconleyportfolio5192]

Absolutely. Also Randall Cunningham.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

I’ve never heard of this Tarkington Is he the cousin of Fran Tarkenton? I mean if you’re going to reference a player, at least spell the name right for Christ sake. For someone who saw him, you don’t remember him that well to spell his name right.

[@JoeSmith-ey2xp]

@@thomaswatkins3686 You're just better I guess

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

With this talent Goff should win this year.

[@Djturnt]

Goff didn't make us lose josh reynolds dropping crucial passes did

[@JaredBruski]

​@Djturnt no offence but amon ra and jamo had 4th down and 3rd down drops. And Gibbs fumble. And aiyuks crazy catch. Let's not build a narrative that it was all on Josh Reynolds shoulders that we lost, cause he helped get the Lions there

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

@@JaredBruski thank you

[@SoLogy]

If big time throws are so important why was the Lions offense so good and how did Goff pass for so many yards?

[@kenmcwise1776]

Simple, he made a lot of big time throws! It’s just that PFF doesn’t realize that a completion into a tight window on fourth down is a big time throw if JG is the QB. So yah, they’re idiots.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

@kenmcwise1776 Hey genius, PFF is the same group that just listed your starting T the best player under 25. Guess they don’t know shit. Lol

[@SoLogy]

​@@thomaswatkins3686You know what they say about blind squirrels and nuts? I don't care where PFF ranks Penei, I watch the games and I can see he's good.

[@renegadephilosopher5996]

This guy admitting that their metrics are completely subjective kind of negates their credibility, add to that that he's admitting that garbage time stats are big contributor. GG, Bud

[@bipolarpunt5721]

With an OL, Goff is the best QB in the league.

[@Elusivve]

All he needs is a average line

[@gen-ave8547]

And that’s why he’s ranked where he’s ranked at because he has so many weapons

[@MalcolmHex369]

​No, if this team had an "average line" Goff would be getting ran out of town by now. Let's not be delusional. Happy to have him, Goff is perfect for our system but he's no world beater if not extremely protected. ​@@Elusivve

[@hotsauce879]

@@gen-ave8547yup and Goff made those players who they are

[@Elusivve]

@@MalcolmHex369 pretty sure ur the one who’s delusional, lions oline had the most injuries in the offensive line last year 🤡 and were ranked 12th in pass blocking efficiency.. how can Goff have a perfect protection when you combine all that with the fact he’s the most blitzed quarterback in the league ?? Use common sense? Goffs down year was when he HAD a bottom 3 offensive line ! 2016, 2019 and 2021! 98% of quarterbacks would have a down year with a bottom 5 oline

[@dapaulielama5615]

Oh? One of the metrics you used to rate QB's is 'subjective'? You don't say?

[@jerodjones6846]

PFF is ridiculous. If one of their analysts can't even define what a "big time throw stat" is then I know I can't take their rankings seriously. JG's 40 plus yard bomb to Jamo back shoulder at Tampa wasn't a big time throw? Come on.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

PFF was so ridiculous they listed Sewell, Hutchinson, Amon. LaPorta and Gibbs as among the best under 25 Guess they were ridiculous.

[@jerodjones6846]

@@thomaswatkins3686 Good point, but I was focusing on Goff.

[@wardgushee3050]

Josh Allen has won 0 AFC championship game. Aaron Rogers won one NFC championship game. Slow, weak arse Tom Brady won with brains and fight. I would take a low talent guy like Brady every time.

[@natsukow1322]

everytime? you're using brady(which most people call the greastest) as an example. what low talent are you taking that's not named brady? and what is your definition of a "low talent" qb?

[@brandonbaty2291]

@@natsukow1322he is using the same illogical argument they are against them. Your comment alone tells me you actually agree with the OP.

[@enthusedfern]

​@@natsukow1322I think he meant low athleticism.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

@brandonbaty2291 Lol. Wrong He is saying Goff is not a specimen of the game, as Brady wasn’t. The difference is Brady was 3 Super Bowl wins deep by the time he was Goff’s age. So it’s a dumb comparison to make and even dumber to say he had no talent. If Tom Brady had been the QB of the Lions the last 2 years, they’d of won the Super Bowl.

[@jimmycorlew5190]

This guy is why I think PFF is a joke.

[@LDVTennis]

PFF's has a narrow definition of what makes a great QB, one who makes a lot of imaginary "big-time throws." PFF is the Al Davis of advanced stats. They just can't see how outdated their thinking is. ... Obviously, there is more to advanced QB play. See Bill Walsh. In Walsh's system, what mattered more was timing (anticipation) and throws under 20 yards for first downs. PFF undervalues any throw under 20 yards for a first down, no mater how highly-leveraged the situation is, no matter how difficult the throw is --- through layers of the coverage, with anticipation (before the receiver makes a cut), and/or against close leverage (tight window). Goff makes a lot of those throws. If we graded Goff as Bill Walsh might grade him, he would be a top 5 QB. ... At this point, PFF is just doubling down on their stupidity. They have been around too long not to figure out that their QB model is limited and outmoded.

[@silent1759]

Preach

[@jeremyzier8706]

"Big Time Play" = Throws 20+ yds...you'd think he was getting paid everytime he said that phrase.🙄🤦🤷 The Lions offense is not designed to air it out. They rely on the ground game to open up the play action pass game. And 1st yr in Detroit was with a fired OC that Dan Campbell took over play calling for about mid season. So it makes sense Goff would have more 20+yd throws in LA, he didn't have succes when he 1st arrived in Detroit, and he doesn't throw the ball down field a lot (few passes per game to Kalif or Jamo mixed in with the middle of field work).🙄🤦 So he puts Tua and Dak above Goff, because they have more 20+yd throws, but they both tend to fail "Big Time plays in big time games". And then goes on to say playoff wins shouldn't count because playoffs are too volatile. Meanwhile Dak and Tua are 1-3 (2-5 overall) and 0-2 in the playoffs in past 3yrs, respectively, while Jared is 2-1 (5-4 overall).🙄🤦 He says Goff needs more than a year of success to rank higher, then puts CJ, Love, and Trevor above him.🙄🤦 He says Goff can't run, then put Cousins coming off a torn Achilles above him.🙄🤦 Complete and utter 🐮💩

[@silent1759]

Yupp. Pff is pathetic and bias

[@adgee5401]

You are mostly correct, but you leave out quite a bit of info. With Jamo hurt/suspended for a year and a half and not practicing much, who was the Lions deep threat? They didn’t have a true deep threat and had to manufacture. Once Jamo and Goff started to get their timing, you get the play like you had against Bland. They had to scheme Raymond open after Chark left. Calling go routes when you don’t have the personnel to do it doesn’t make much sense, but it never gets mentioned and the Lions offense is often miscast as how you laid it out. Technically, you’re right, but it’s valid reasons why it looked the way it did.

[@nathanp.3206]

This is why analytic guys are just that. These takes and subjective inconsistencies are wild. PFF needs to stay in its lane, or they risk losing a lot of credibility when they let a clown like this loose to spread his bs.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

Did they need to stay in their lane when they listed a ton of lions on their top under 25 list using arbitrary metrics? Oh right. You can tell by looking at those guys. When you place Goff under that same microscope, tho-they just--don’t get it. Right?

[@nathanp.3206]

​@@thomaswatkins3686 Yes, they did. You are making an assumption about my post that is incorrect. PFF does great at tracking stats, especially breaking general stats down into very specific categories. However, these lists are useless, especially when looking at anyone under the age of 22/23. There is no objective standard for evaluating players, especially when you cherrypick what stats are important to you in ranking a player. The only stat that matters is wins, the rest is pseudo intellectual bullshit.

[@troythibodeaux1246]

This guy counterdicts his self more than a cows boys fan . He has no credibility or true foundation for his rating other than hw liked the person give me a break

[@daveconleyportfolio5192]

PFF wants to be seen as data-driven, but it's all about fads. Twenty years ago Jared Goff would have been called a great "West Coast style" QB -- timing, accuracy, decision-making. But that's not cool anymore, so dump him in the trash.

[@JaredBruski]

7th in 20 plus yard throws and 3rd in passing yard but yeah he doesnt make big time throws

[@myname-hn7km]

This guy looks just like Kirk cousins

[@jeremyzier8706]

Now he wants to subjectively define a statistic...then "big time throw %" is not a statistic you can truly use to compare 2 players, because a statistic needs a definition. And there's a Jared Goff highlight reel of him getting the ball into St Brown, LaPorta, Reynolds, etc. on You Tube he needs to go check out...I'm guessing they missed a few "big time throws" for crucial 1st downs and TDs.🙄🤦🐮💩

[@dennywayne17]

This is why no one who watches football cares about PFF it's a joke.

[@iancormier2571]

Dude is a Goff Hater!!!😂

[@thomaswatkins3686]

Ok Taylor Swift. I hope you’re looking forward to summer camp and handing out friendship bracelets.

[@stlegion-px1wo]

Personally I don’t care about off platform throws as a stat because it means two things either the offensive line didn’t do its job or your a jackass who held the football too long . It’s also true that as QB like any pitcher has more wear and tear on their arm especially playing in a west coast offense where you throw the football 30-40 times a game. I wouldn’t be surprised that Goff has been working back from all the mileage Sean mcvay put on his arm in L.A it’s why his TD and passing yards have steadily improved over the past three seasons And the Zip has started to come back . Young Quarterbacks tend to be reckless with hard they throw the football. Always throwing harder than they need to

[@myname-hn7km]

How is pat mahomes is the greatest dual threat we ever and it ain’t close…. And he’s the greatest qb ever

[@thomaswatkins3686]

WTAF is this? “Greatest dual threat”? The guy averages 322 rushing yards a year. That’s like 18 yards a game. In his prime, Aaron Rodgers was putting up those types of numbers. Josh Allen has averaged 600 and change in the same time frame. Why do people think because he’s half black he’s some kind of mobile QB? Mahomes is a pocket passer. He’s not Lamar Jackson or even in the same stratosphere. What a completely idiotic comment.

[@myname-hn7km]

@@thomaswatkins3686 the fact is pat mahomes poses the treat to run and uses that threat to his advantage…. And wins superbowls and mvps doing it…. And if you don’t win you’re not in the conversation in my opinion…. But the key word is threat…. It’s not dual production quarterback…. Pat mahomes is always a threat to run…. And he’s not as good of a runner as Lamar Jackson or even Josh Allen but he can run…. But Josh Allen has to win an mvp or Super Bowl to be in the conversation in my opinion

[@ghost1012]

This is where I hate this fan base. U wanna praise Goff praise praise praise. The guy can't throw a spiral 80% of the time. And then in 2 playoff games he completely disappeared in the 2nd half's. 3 points in 4 qtrs lmfao. Dudes got the the best online and is still ranked at the bottom of list under pressure. He had a lot of poor play games last year. Yall just too giddy cuz we finally winning that youre scared to call a spade a spade. Deeeerrrrrr he's my qb lmfao. Ranked 16th right where he deserves to be. 🤡

[@andrewmason6069]

So let me get this straight, Goff gets knocked because of his team but it was all Brady on Patriots smh double standards

[@thomaswatkins3686]

It IS possible Tom Brady was simply more important to his team. No. Really. The greatest QB in history MIGHT have been a bigger mismatch for defenses than Goff is for Detroit. Seriously. A mind blowing concept, I know.

[@jeremysmith669]

This guy never mentioned Randall Cunningham as far as dual threat QB's, so this guy's pool of info is limited, and his consensus of opinion, he talks kinda sideways, I wouldn't rely on his evaluation

[@mr.actlikeit4956]

That was a bunch of BS regarding J. Goff. That's what my wife's logic is: Subjective. But nothing definitive. Yet it's called "Big Time". FOH...

[@lylerm250]

stopped watching after dak and mvp. this is the biggest bullshit statistic ive ever heard of

[@sharlayanarchon]

That this guy didn’t rank Goff in the top ten is a travesty. He was a breath away from the Super Bowl, and you put him at 16???! Are you tryna be funny, ‘cuz that’s his number? Git da f*** outta here. It’s because of stuff like this that I don’t watch Eazy anymore. All the other shows on Woodward Sports are great. Gimme Braylon Edwards any day.

[@debramark7254]

I lost all respect and credibility with Sikkema. I have unsubscribed with PFF due to his inclusion in the show. He s.cks!!!

[@MotownFan75]

Well he’s got a point. JG is in a great system..great O line, o coordinator, receivers and rushing attack. His numbers are very poor when pressured

[@daniellehostetler2907]

Lets be honest this is the best place for goff. Goff is our qb1 but there is always better players and anyone complaining about goff being at 16 is super biased

[@josezamora7911]

You will never have the best of jamo with goof. Jamo is a deep threat receiver on the sideline s deep sideline throws and goof R. Like water and oii.

[@josephhagg3746]

L take

[@paulmayer8654]

Anyone who calls him “goof” is saying they’re about to give a biased, stupid take 😂

[@josephhagg3746]

@@paulmayer8654 literally best QB lions have ever had, took us to NFC championship and was a dropped pass away from SB and guy calls him “goof”? Get outta here with that SOL mentality

[@silent1759]

Lmao stay salty

[@josezamora7911]

@@silent1759 thanks

[@lionking7599]

Goff is SMOKE & Mirrors he hides behind 4 Probowl OL,he hands off to a probowl RB,he dinks and dunks to 2 probowl WRs WHO WOULDN'T LOOK GOOD AS A 3RD TIER QB LIKE HIM. You want proof Goff is trash? Lets go back to his first season in Detrout he was horrible,the excuse i heard was hey he had trash for talent surrounding him,yes thats true he had Godwin Igwebuike to hand off to,tryell williams Tom Kennedy and a dude name Geronimo Allison BUT therein is his problem he himself is trash surrounded by trash and cant elevate trash talented players,put elete QB like Patrick or Josh or GOAT,Aaron they elevate teamplay Goff cant,fact is he hasn't suddenly gotten better than 3-13 season he still trash the differences is 6 probowl bowl talented players he surrounded with.I call it like i see it the Rams are dumb enough to give us all they did for a potential superbowl QB,Kurt Warner analis on Jared Goff on youtube is spot on you lion fans need to watch it,i just wish Lion brass would have He has a 2 part series entitled Can Goff Get it Done for Detroit? | Part 1 | Can Goff Get it Done for Detroit? | Part 2 JUST WISH LIONS WATCHED HIS ANALISIS NOW ITS TOO LATE

[@paulmayer8654]

Goff was better in that ‘21 season than Rodgers was in his last healthy season 😂 And yes, he has gotten better as a QB. He’s improved a lot in his ability to read defenses…something he could not do at all when he arrived in Detroit.

[@brandonbaty2291]

Oh, but by that same logic Stafford should have been good enough to elevate the team to a SB with the human cheat code at WR and a great supporting cast and a great defense and he couldnt even win a single playoff game. But if he gets all the pieces around him, like in LA, he wins a SB. Every QB needs pieces around him and a good O-line. Even Patrick Mahomes. Look how bad he looked when he had all those injuries on his O-line. He was running for his life and couldnt do ish. He cant elevate a bad team any more than any other QB. Your brain is broken.

[@lionking7599]

@@brandonbaty2291 Goff needs a running game for his patinate play action fake wham block pass ,but STSFFORD had a running game in La and won superbowl something's goff will never do,if goff takes us to the superbowl he would enter Canton,no lower tier has ever returned to a Superbowl after losing,5 have return all 5 in Canton,GOFF AINT NO HOF QB

[@silent1759]

​awww I see you're still salty about how wrong you are all the time

[@hotsauce879]

@@lionking7599turn the page dipshit you constantly say the same nonsense. Go sniff Staffs jock some more. He led league in picks regular and post season. He was carried to a SB. Go away with this junk

[@gen-ave8547]

We all need to stop lying to ourselves Jared can’t make the big time throw accurately. How many times have we seen JaMo waiting for the deep ball to catch up to him (pause)

[@josezamora7911]

I wish we had a dual threat qb. With arm strength. Instead we have a qb on a wheelchair and whopper jf hands

[@silent1759]

Get over it or find another team. The powers at be have spoken.

[@thomaswatkins3686]

@silent1759 If you can’t take objection, you can find another team, child.

[@silent1759]

@thomaswatkins3686 lol cry some more you big baby. Your "objections" don't mean a thing to reality. Only a child would tolerate adults complaining about nothing.

[@silent1759]

AWW, did i hurt yohr feeling little boy? Cry about it.​@@thomaswatkins3686