League TikToks Are Out Of Control! | Broken by Concept Episode 166 | League of Legends Podcast

[@jackjonesy]

Reviewing tiktoks and having a formal discussion about them might just be the most boomer thing ever. Hilarious video, loved it 😂

[@throughtheendlessinertia1915]

XDDDDDDDDD I felt the same lol

[@bigsmoke4592]

okay honest question though what else are they supposed to do? they're league coaches reviewing league advice

[@freakbagmaggotsack7240]

​@@bigsmoke4592 really dumb question holy shit

[@bigsmoke4592]

@@freakbagmaggotsack7240 you seem to not know what a rhetorical device is. i don't even like their podcast all too much but this format was perfectly fine.

[@akaliislifeakaliislove5968]

@@bigsmoke4592 nothing wrong with that it's just really funny

[@bemtheman1100]

oh no... they don't know what they mean about jax being a pdf file..... the innocence....

[@Dilllly]

AHAHA

[@Patmax17]

I have no idea what that's about, could you explained please?

[@simon_does]

Is it similar to the Ken flow chart in street fighter?

[@eebbaa5560]

@@simon_does just say pdf file ten times fast

[@simon_does]

@@eebbaa5560 Oh shiiiiit

[@wrwinter]

Curtis grinning like a maniac waiting for Nathan's reaction to these

[@SheppardLoL]

Hey Coach, I'm the guy from the first few tiktoks. Cool video btw, I like the concept of adding more to some of the surface level videos we've made on tiktok with the time restrains on them! Overall agree with your thoughts on most of the concepts. Some might be higher level than I or others realize at times. Shutdown concept: I could have been more clear when saying "shutdowns are the most important thing in league". What I meant was that in the moment while shutdowns are present on the map, they are the single most important thing IMO. Hoped my video just served as a reminder to anyone that is unaware of the value of shutdowns in the game. Not to explain how to secure the shutdown either, but to keep it front of mind as a focus.

[@soul0172]

Well that's kind of the point they're making though, that it's really hard to make comprehensive educational content in short-form formats

[@Chymistry]

Revise your wording

[@karlcoolstar3070]

"In order to not feel the weight of their failures gamers will ensure that they secure one final victory even at the cost of more defeats."

[@Blackfrog67]

This one killed me man , I shall mark those words in my brain forever XD

[@nandoborchardt4327]

Sounds like a degen gambler

[@Return989]

I watched almost all your episodes and this is the most hilarious one, please do it again sometime!

[@bkpedrol.7385]

that one about ending on a loss is so funny lol. I think you guys can keep this segment. more reactions would be definitely cool! and they're certainly helpful since some tiktoks and even some YT shorts can be really misleading. specially because of their opinions on the game and how they word all the stuff.

[@waveTV_]

Lmao 1:25:50 “fuck you dude”. Coach curtis you are the man

[@XenosInGame]

BrennenWolf is doing basically what you described as far as a Fiora OTP & coach. I don't know if he's on TikTok but his youtube shorts are quite informative and well edited. He would be a good guest if you need a top laner.

[@thomasmendez4072]

The look on Nathan's face during the just pick khazix part has me laughing on repeat. ITS SO FUNNY

[@diversisle6739]

Nathan sitting up at the "PDF file" got me dead

[@eebbaa5560]

bro was ready to turn the video off like a teacher lol

[@MIKAEL212345]

I definitely like the video where you interact with the wider league community.

[@wow9565]

JAX PLAYER = PDF FILE = PEEDOUGHFYILL = ANNIE'S SECRET ADMIRER = MY PERMA BAN FOR 3 YEARS

[@catalan8241]

PDF FILE = WINDOWS = MICROSOFT = BILL GATES It's all coming together in my mind palace now, I've cracked the code guys!

[@sundanser]

@@catalan8241 were all coming together

[@waveTV_]

I hate the bronze to master challenges too. I learn practically nothint, as a silver player. There are so many muscle memory things and, instincts and small pieces of game knowledge that new players and low elo players just dont know. What time are all jungle camps respawn intervals, plant spawns, dragon buffs and what they do, which champs benefit from which dragon buffs the most, even champion kits and how they interact with your champion in the laning phase, how diff champs scale, what items do and why champs are building certain items and why they take their rune pages to compliment that. Champion mechanics, cooldowns etc. For once I would really love to see a guide where a mid-high elo player plays their matchup, explains exactly why they are doing what they are doing, how to execute it properly, while also explaining other key mechanics of the game itself as well as explain their lane opponents kit and how to play against it

[@yoyokeepitup]

I've watched about 20 BBC podcasts in the last week, I'm absolutely binging

[@In_Space]

30:15 For some reason the way Nathan said that was hilarious 🤣 You guys are great!

[@kiresie]

The Kha Zix video is definitely the funniest, most delusional and hilarious video ever and Nathan's reaction is the cherry on top😂

[@Ahamkeira]

seems like a lot of the issues that came up were "they didn't take the time to make sure their blanket statements note the exceptions.". that feels like more a product of the medium than the message

[@ranolol]

The very first season I played ranks was S6 and back then I was terrible at the game. My only strength is being having better mechanics and being good in teamfights. On the other hand, I had to be the most dogshit laner you could ever find, I could not win a trade so save my life. When I wanted to climb for Gold, I came up with this strategy as Tristana: Play under tower and farm until pickaxe (I realised that I farmed better than the average silver if I didn't trade back and only focused on last hitting), instant base, get level 6 one shot my laner, then get fed and stall the game until 40+ min (YES MY MID GAME WAS ALSO DOGSHIT!), win game. And it worked went from Silver 5 to Gold 5 in 5 days at the very start of my holidays. I don't think you shouldn't try to find strategies but at the very least I believe you should try to understand your strength and weaknesses to have a base point to either improve or plan things out.

[@solarlightning718]

Some of these I found really funny despite not really liking tiktok as a whole. The one with just picking what you think looks cool was the exact thing I was told when I first began, however while I picked a champ i thought looked cool, being twisted fate, I was too stubborn to try someone new mainly because bad experiences made me not want to play. fast forward some years to another group that i started to play with after I decided I wanted to give the game another chance and honestly wanted to play it; I experimented more going from different champs and different lanes and ended up finding champs that i just love. Never cared if they were good in whatever case, if I have fun with them its all that mattered to me. Thanks for all the vids, these podcasts have been great to listen to!

[@JonathanNewberry]

NAAAH BUT HOW GOOD ARE COACH'S ARMS

[@austinzobel4613]

Confidence is in being humble as in being clear with your understanding of your self

[@viastis4107]

1:05:23 typical boomer curtis, the tiktok meant pdf file as in p3 do. I had friends unfamiliar with league hearing about how many people get accused or exposed of this in the community and assuming all LoL players are p3 dos. All i said was😅😅!!!!

[@fisss306]

They removed that keria nautilus hook trick from the game which most people didn't notice. I think coach cupcake's nautilus guide mentioned it's not a big deal which is great since it got removed.

[@coreyjasper8329]

Best part was Nathan trying to see the nautilus tip as good advice and then realizing it’s useless 😂😂

[@daffyuser]

In my experience going from someone who was in the cool "I hate league and it's shit but I must play" club, who is now in love with the game, people have that attitude because they're really really bad and don't respect the difficulty at all. Once you start playing to improve and do improve, it gets clearer and clearer how acutely games are decided based on the players decisions and skills, which is the holy grail for a strictly competitive game like League

[@Lioni177]

Always enjoy the podcast, thanks guys!

[@glenndiddy]

I'm a jungle main and I've had many top and mid laners invade my first clear duiring my career. Usually it ends up in me missing a camp or a 10-15 second delay in my clear while the enemy mid loses 1-2 waves or gets collapsed on. Also, once you get outside low elo, junglers know what champions are degenerate enough to invade you level 2.

[@Dilllly]

So hype! 166/1000. You guys are almost there

[@fisss306]

I liked the correct setup one. I recently started using my headset again rather than speakers/desk mic (only in 3-blocks). I found that I more easily get in the zone, maybe it's the old "coloured room" theory, or that I'm putting on battle armour. Another thing about being concerned about misusing reviews, I think that people spend too long rather than just ending reviews at first mistake. It makes reviewing quicker & less daunting.

[@gibvods2]

I always put on a special pair of sneakers to help me get in the zone for serious games.

[@echotheredeemer]

Another comment to support your content. Guys, you are amazing!

[@JoshDoes]

do you guys have a video on what 3 blocks is? it sounds useful to me.

[@Chymistry]

this is my favorite episode lol

[@Dreamswept55]

Volume all over the place on this one, at least on Spotify. Can't hear some of the clips, and Nathan's voice in some parts.

[@fuwu9904]

For the "Crazy hook tip" I'm heavily against the idea that it's a master+ only thing, especially with thresh making sure to fake your hooks is huge, acting like you are going to throw hook on enemy support and then flip and go on the adc catches enemies of guard almost every single time and it's super important for hitting early hooks sometimes

[@bryanglover757]

Hey Coach, do you guys play warm up games in norms before playing ranked games?

[@sandy3938]

Best thumbnail!!

[@moe-7544]

idk man playing on my bad with my crappy laptop is pretty chill

[@alex-cg6hq]

Finally, an excuse to watch TikTok! This video was a guilty pleasure.

[@hebny1956]

I reached diamond 3 in season 13 and now in 14 I’m aiming for master, im playing on laptop at 40 fps and 90 pings, everybody can make it

[@Snake_1v9]

im surprised you guys put so many good clips. theres so much trash on tiktok that u guys didnt cover and its way more dominant in bulk amounts on the platform when it comes to lol educational content than the good stuff that is healthy and good advice more often or not.

[@cadelol752]

good stuff guys

[@Kamishi845]

I have a genuine question, but what do you do if you can't find a favorite champion? I've played this game since season 2 and while I haven't tried every champion (I prefer mid lane and especially mages and I really dislike bruisers and tanks, it's just not my archetype whatsoever), there's also still no champion I'd say is something that appeals to me at such a fundamental level I'd begin to describe it as a favorite. There are champions I enjoy and think are fun, but none is a favorite. The reason I'm asking is because I do get bored trying to take the mastery to the next level. I may be motivated to improve initially, but it eventually wanes and I'm pretty sure lack of favoritism is a big problem. I don't know how normal it is to have or not have a favorite, but at least I like the idea of having one or finding one. I think that would create a lot of new energy for me when playing this game and play it through a new lens.

[@DylD20]

My heart jumped when seeing this comment because I've been struggling with the same thing. I will most probably be sending a question similar to this to Nathan's mailbag soon if I can't seem to answer this problem. For me, it's more like I'm paralyzed to make the right choice. What if I invest x amount of games in a champ which I'm not totally in love with and start disliking it? But then there are no champions that I've fallen in love with.

[@MrScythe88]

Have you ever looked at what it is about the champions that you like? For me, I like tanks champs that have strong aoe or cc. So I like singed, zac, and swain (I like vladimir too, but I'm bad with him)

[@SiMeGamer]

@@DylD20if you invest time into a champion it will be beneficial to you no matter what you do later. Many people start with one champ and drop it for another later down the line. The learnings you will get are usually applicable to other types of champs and the game as a whole. One way to find out is do 20 game sessions with various champions, trying to learn them as best you can, picking them even into bad matchups and comps. Just figuring out the strengths and weaknesses by force and seeing if it clicks. Another way is the objective oriented method which it to try and get Mastery 7 on everyone. It will force you to play well and understand a lot of stuff in order to perform well and it will get you out of your comfort zone. And if at the end you don't find one champ you absolutely love, well see if there is a small group you really like (so you can put that into ranked). Or just play whatever you want at that moment. Maybe the champ you love will release next and or maybe it will never release. League is not for everyone and climbing ranked is not for everyone. Good luck!

[@Kamishi845]

@@MrScythe88 It depends on the champion as I like different things for different champions, but visual appeal is a big factor for sure, but playstyle is also important. A champion that generally visually appeal to me tend to be from Ionia, but not always; champions that appeal in terms of gameplay tend to have interesting execution that feel rewarding but I don't enjoy them to be too mechanically complex because I am not a very mechanical player. Thematically I enjoy Yone, though I think his base skin is quite bland, but execution is a big problem and the playstyle is not quite what I'm looking for. I weirdly enjoy Aphelios' playstyle a lot, as I feel it's less about execution per se and more about knowing combos, I think that's probably a big appeal to me, but he's an adc and I just don't enjoy adc as much as I do mages. So I can list a lot of things I may like about a champion, but there's just not a single one that really clicks. I've tried to main Ahri for years because she just ended up being the champion I had the most mastery with, but a) I feel she's not in the best meta spot right now and many of her mid lane matchups are just really frustrating to play into; 2) I like her visually and she has a bunch of really great skins but I feel her kit is just underwhelming and not quite what I'm looking for in a champion. So I don't know, honestly. I wish I could play a champion I like even if I am doing badly with it because it's just fun to play and it motivates me to learn more. I found that character in Star Rail recently, I use that character in every content because it's just so fun to play and looks great and feels rewarding, but I have never had that experience playing a champion in League and when I hear BBC talking about favorite champions, it actually makes me a bit sad to know I don't have one despite having played this game for over a decade.

[@VioletSAAB]

You need to find champions that you love the mechanics of. For me its been from the start champions that dash, use abilities constantly and autoattack and have a HIGH skill ceiling. Those being Yone, Yasuo, Irelia, Akali, Ahri, Nilah, Qiyana. Even before I realised this general similiarity between these champs I gravitated towards them. Also what really motivated me to learn the champs was seeing high elo players highlights, making me want to do similar outplays. Also the looks of the champion are important to me aswell, luckily all the champs I love mechanically look great. Even with base skins. So you saying you love mages, should look into what part of their gameplay or gameplan do you enjoy, skillshots, controlling team fights with cc, or opressive laning. Then pick champions that fit that. Or maybe its time to try different champ types.

[@marcusscribner1603]

Im not gonna lie the first time i got to plat in season five i played the easiest jg champs at the top of the tier list every patch

[@slaintwice]

I'm officially asking for a collaboration with Coach Chippys.

[@namthanh9485]

Very likely since he’s OCE too

[@eugenijuspuskovas7848]

lol last time i did it i lost 20 games:DDDDDDDDD i mean playing till win:DDD and afterwards i met you guys and learn about 3 games

[@smirnoffsmash6283]

Coach Curtis lookin like a brick house 🧱

[@kazeryuu3603]

"Never end on a loss" man this is ruining my sleep if I play during the week and my last match is a loss I usually instantly queue for another game until I win. This is causing me to sleep like 3 or 4 am having to wake up 8 for work and if I force myself to sleep with a loss I usually have insonmia because I keep remembering all the mistakes I made in the game.

[@lolshattered]

So good guys

[@izzymcgdog7653]

It would be good to have a tiktok segment and clown on these fools. I, too, enjoy this game and I have come to respect it and appreciate it a lot more now that I have listened to you guys. I'm steadily climbing from Plat to Emerald 1 and will be Diamond very soon. The 3 block process has been crucial to me climbing and helped me respect the game and sort of externalise my ego from the game, if you know what I mean. My identity isn't in the game, it is outside the game, and my value as a person isn't based on my performance or rank in the game. I think about taking on other hobbies or jobs with the same mindset and I don't get overwhelmed and helps with my anxiety.

[@Brightside187]

I love Curtis hahah, “F-you, dude” to the smurf talking shit about new players 1:25:30

[@Aanenk]

LoL has the ability to change constantly and thats exactly why people can say "quit LoL" so easy. Its just a different game almost every patch.

[@Aanenk]

im top of emerald, probs able to be diamond if I pushed myself and got into playing more. I lock my screen like 80% of the time. It TRULY aint that big of a deal.

[@lollolz909]

its crazy you guys say that nautilus tip was for master+ ..... im gold 3 and I do these animation cancels and never face opponents to telegraph. Its just mehanics so clearly my macro is lacking.

[@bensparrow3356]

For the shutdown clip around 15 minutes, I actually think the guy's advice would have been better had he flipped the perspective. If you have a large shutdown, it's on you to PROTECT IT. You don't want the enemy team to get the equivalent of a triple kill right? This helps you not only close out games when your team is also ahead, AS WELL AS making enemies fight for their lp when your team is behind. And this is more generally applicable than the idea of needing to send it for an enemy's shutdown.

[@DFavored1]

“Aw nawrrrrrrrrrrrr” 🤣

[@olaskaar4140]

Did they do an episode with Alois or am i tripping??

[@xazarl3381]

smurf accounts in low elo bought accounts in high elo and high elo alt accounts for lower queue times is basically a corrupted elo system.

[@shinymuuma]

Early invade is the 'looking for their mistake and punish' of top lane. If their jungle path toward heavily losing lane he shouldn't get away punish free. And if who can do it it'll be the top lane. Renek, Darius, Fiora, etc. A LOT of top can do that and they're meta staple So I'd strongly disagree that invade ~wave 4 is just a gimmick

[@ivan.osokin]

this is actually the first video I was able to finish from the start.

[@multicrogamer]

You should do shorts to increase reach.

[@mysticflow467]

34:30 damnn philosophy

[@JamesBaleLA]

Hey Curtis and Nathan, I'm curious if you think it is okay to finish a 3 block on a smurf account? Like if I lose 2 games on my main account in plat and then switch to my silver Smurf account to finish the block because I know the first two games were tilting for me and I'm worried I won't play well for the third game or do you think I should just finish out the block on my main account?

[@bksher6463]

I'm not Curtis and Nathan, but I can assure you that by smurfing you will NEVER improve. What you will achive by smurfing? Improve your ego? Ruin game for other people? Show you dominance agains lower ranked players? It's ridiculous, it's like proving to yourself that you're smarter then an animal. So what should you do if you lose 2 games in a raw and get tilted? First thing first, you should never get tilted. The whole purpose of 3 block is to stay AS FOCUSED AS YOU CAN. It's okay to lose even all 3 games. What's important is to get something from every game. Even if you have trolls in your team, there still will be something to learn. So you should finish all 3 games with as clear mindset as possible. DON'T AUTOPILOT at any cost. But if for some reason you are REALLY tilted af, that you fill like you cannot play next game, you obviously shouldn't force yourself to play all 3 games. Just chill, play aram or do something else. 3 block is a RECOMMENDED way to play the game, not how you should force yourself no matter what. And never smurf, it will just ruin game for others, and you won't improve from those. Have a nice climb!

[@JamesBaleLA]

@@bksher6463 I play on my smurf account to either learn new champs/roles, duo with lower elo friends or still get enough games in when I know I'm tilted or in a bad headspace to perform on my main account. It has nothing to do with ego or dominating lower elo players, in fact I still lose pretty frequently even in a lower elo simply from making bad decisions cause when I'm playing on it I'm either playing suboptimal or learning something new. Its an account I hand leveled and only I have played on so it's not like i'm smurfing in Bronze 4 or deranking to keep it low MMR. Nathan used a 2-account strategy last season and there are plenty of legitimate reasons for having multiple accounts.

[@444milk]

i think you should credit the tiktoks you watch

[@xVioletVoid]

Ending on 3 losses suck but honestly, I get ragey at that point anyway and play like absolute shit.

[@jalleee]

Oh no they found my tiktok

[@simonhn6882]

Please get a high level ADC coach on the podcast. Discuss how coaching their role is different from yours etc.

[@HanyuuHOLO]

I think this is cool as a once in a while thing but personally what I love about the podcast is the talks about mindset and SoloQ in general so I wouldn't root for making this a weekly segment

[@jarednickerl7894]

Some of the things you guys scoffed at I thought was real advice. And some of the things I scoffed at initially, you guys thought was good stuff. It just goes to show that I have a lot of negative thought patterns from soaking in this messaging for the last 8 years and it's easy to get false narratives, even when the intent is honestly to get better.

[@smappa849]

Curtis literally dying at the 30/30/40 one got me good 💀 I think bundling these clips together into one episode was a cool idea, and I enjoyed watching you guys sort of breaking them down like this more than any one of these tiktoks by themselves. And holy moly the damage some of these clips have done and will done for some people's league experience. Anyways, I had a blast for the first hour, time to watch the rest. 🍿*Edit* Also wanted to chime in that I for one used to put too much mental energy into figuring out if the game is a 30% loss, mulled over it too much and ended up not thinking about it more than: "Not every game is in my control, do your best and buckle up for the ride".

[@BobFudgee]

I'm not gonna lei I kinda drifted away from you guys and your teachings because I started to watch Tyler1 again and he is just so incredibly negative that it literally leeched onto me, I started to act like him in game even a little bit and didn't even realize it, although I kept doing 3 blocks and didn't even realize it!

[@xokirei]

HIIIII COACH CURTIS AND OTHER COACH

[@jarednickerl7894]

This was a fun episode! Keep up the good stuff 😊

[@netherby4335]

Mostly seem kinda meme and click baity. Which I guess is the point of tiktok. It's so true that these early game gimmicks are meaningless. Just yesterday I was jungling aginst a Diana, went from red to Gromp, killed her for FB, stole gromp. Had prio mid and top so went and pushed her off Red, took that, pushed her off golems and took them then cleared my side and did Drake. Diana gets 3 camps to my 10. Her game should be over, and it is for the early game. But she already sucks early game and now my top is getting stomped and mid is losing, soon we are pushed back to base and Diana has free farm of the map ending higher level and higher cs than me. Basically my high risk invades which went about as good as possible did nothing but keep me away from helping my lanes.

[@slof69]

all of this ai generated fast food garbage on tiktok is so strange to witness

[@benhughes5308]

How low is someone allowed to smurf? Challenger shouldn't play below high emerald, GM/master no lower than low emerald, diamond no lower than platinum, emerald no lower than gold, platinum no lower than silver. Gold and below simply shouldn't smurf at all. Though I question whether any smurfs should exist.

[@Windsor1492]

While the advice in many of these tiktoks seems reasonable I feel that the sum of them amounts to nothing. Does watching 100 of these actually make you a better player? I don't think so.

[@glenndiddy]

Who has an attention span so short they watch primarily TikTok league content? With that short of an attention span you're better of not playing league to begin with.

[@satoiify]

Screw you guys, i'm gonna pick kha'zix and snowball into oblivion 😂

[@lalosalamanca1208]

The Jax comment about "PDF File" is because most of the Jax OTPs have recently be accused of grooming. 😅 Doesn't have anything to do with downloading a PDF. It's just a weird League meme/lingo.

[@DFavored1]

Would you guys every try go to another region and get challenger, I listen to you guys only bc you guys are the only real league of legends podcast but you guys talk like your real in the highest percentile but where are the stats? Go euw and get challenger or Kr Edit: this is genuinely not hate just bc I like how you guys love the game but I feel like you guys are talking about your past seasons being high elo.

[@stinker6784]

i think they did say they were planning on going to another server in the future its just not decided yet, they did get NA challenger last season so its still pretty respectable at least to me

[@TheeEvil]

Always the best part of my monday morning

[@multicrogamer]

I also think relationship with game can't be fixed. You are dealing with bunch of addicted teenagers and entitled streamers. Of course they aren't self reflective enough to realise how their narratives construct their experience playing LoL.

[@badfdsify]

I've only gone thru the first 3 clips so far, but they all seem "true" but just condensed down to a point that can be easily misunderstood. I think that's just the nature of TikTok, like Curtis was saying at the start, you can't communicate the nuance required. Some bronze players hears "I always int for shutdown" and they take that LITERALLY and just int over and over again into situations where they're never actually gonna get the shutdown. Like the stuff the guy says is objectively true , but only in certain niche situations

[@gonzalotoscano3310]

The guy at 1 hour and 40 seconds dodging games in silver xD Maybe if you are there think about getting better at other things than dodging, just my opinion tho xD

[@pogpy]

I like you guys interacting with the wider community but it shouldn't be too frequent that's for sure, should just be something done every so often.

[@FlorenceBNice]

Fiora main here: I really should make a tiktok to just remind all Caitlyn players that I can and will Q-W combo through your traps

[@omarabdillah4722]

just in time to fuel my insomnia

[@vondoplays1630]

algo 🐐

[@AllenMena-ob7uw]

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