When a student comes back after climbing to prove what he learned [Challenger Coaching Top]

[@pkguhgjnr6098]

Neace i just want to say i am a slow learner so watching your videos is helping me improve over time even tho i can't climb i feel like i am starting to get a little better grasp of the game. So don't let anyone say that you are bad coach you are really fricking awesome i can't even say how much your videos have helped me and i am sure other people as well.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Hey man just keep taking what you learn and internalizing it. You'll climb, it's inevitable. I have been in your spot before, I watched a ton, I learned, but I didn't climb right away, but what DID happen was that I felt like oh, I'm WAY above these people's skill level. And then after some time you do climb out of it. You gotta let it stew for a while then it'll finally boil over and you'll climb. Trust the process.

[@devinbroadhurst1534]

@@djjazzyjeff1232 right now i feel i’m at the “i’m way better than these guys” even though i’m stuck silver 2. I feel i can carry almost any game except when my team turbo ints in other lanes/jg, but i’m still not climbing. I went 7-3 in promos for s12 with 5 games getting MVP on op.gg, so i’m hoping this is my season.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

@@devinbroadhurst1534 It should be. There’s more to it than not inting you gotta be able to sort of “steer” your team in the macro department. If you can get a handle on that you’re gonna be in real good shape. Best of luck homie.

[@devinbroadhurst1534]

@@djjazzyjeff1232 well in my elo pinging your team to objectives, kills, towers, etc is seen as toxic (even though i will continue to every game) and most of the time even if the game is winnable my teammates will choose to lose and either afk or purposefully not try

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

@@devinbroadhurst1534 If they see it as toxic FUUUUUCK them. I /muteall at the beginning of every game and unmute pings from me team. And as soon as one guy starts being a dick and over pinging me, I mute him too. You have to sort of be a dick to your team and make them do what you want. They can be as pissy as they like, it doesn't matter as long as you win, which you will.

[@no-fo7he]

Part of me goes "I kinda wanna see how many things he could teach me to do differently! I'd love to learn more!" and then the other part of me realizes I'd break at the pressure of being yelled at when I'm not sure what he means.

[@lucashall7199]

Same xD I would pay extra for chill neace if that's what I need to do x)

[@nikolajkvistpedersen5151]

If you tell the man that you don't like people yelling at you, then i'm sure he would do his absolute best to have a different tone and be respectfull of what you're telling him.

[@KegaB3]

@@nikolajkvistpedersen5151 i second this, if you asked him to go easy on youd hed likely pull his punches, i feel like it probably wouldnt stop yelling if you fucked up real bad but it would keep it minimal

[@nikolajkvistpedersen5151]

@@KegaB3 If you tell a coach that you have PTSD or anxiety for example and they still raise their voice at you, then they're not proffesional. Neace is one of the best so.

[@KegaB3]

@@nikolajkvistpedersen5151 that makes sense, i dont know anything about that field of work so idk, i was just commenting with my like assumptions based on neace and like the respect most people have to be empathetic to others when their stressed out. I myself would probably need to be yelled at to get the message across

[@kanejeffus2225]

LOVE the editing in this video. Having the pause of gameplay and inserting the actionable advice the continuing is great formatting. GO NEACE

[@mareczek00713]

I outright giggled like a little girl when Neace spotted Akali during the TP and he said "Oh, she's coming with you". I can't count how many eager Akalis died to me TPing to a pink ward placed in my spawn, best way to trigger an Akali.

[@MathiasGr.]

LMAO

[@luckerooni1153]

that's actually so evil and hilarious

[@nikolajkvistpedersen5151]

Use your trinket for that and actually have a viable control ward though. Besides, you can take her out with fountain for sure though.

[@MathiasGr.]

@@nikolajkvistpedersen5151 Cus you know for sure that the play will be an option within 3 minutes of a normal trinket. Lol?

[@nikolajkvistpedersen5151]

@@MathiasGr. I wouldn't waste a control ward, since my team doesn't ward anything and just sits on 2 trinket wards most of the game. Maybe if the Akali was a huge threat.

[@alexismedor6182]

I really like how you speed up the video when he's doing stuff like farming, and putting neace's voice over it so naturally. Such a sick editing choice

[@Sydafexx7]

Facts. Other content creators really need to take note.

[@nimrae9359]

I am learning soooooo much from these coaching videos. I stepped up my game alot. I am really close to break my rank, because i am implementing slowly all these things Nece is telling them. He is very articulate.

[@freezymuchroom]

yeah you'r welcome!

[@alessiofucile4266]

hahahha was looking for you and you were here instantly, respect

[@freezymuchroom]

@@alessiofucile4266 not for long! have 200 short to watch now ;)

[@sporedoutofmymind]

13:30 I don't even think Faker would have predicted that goober walking out of the brush like that

[@Ztsakkeus]

wth was that for real. had heart attack, and im watching :D

[@JohnMSD]

7:40 this is a major difference I noticed between higher elo players and myself. This dude effortlessly hit every single minion under tower, I'll often panic and auto minions for no reason and then miss the cs. Cool little detail to pay attention to!

[@bubbaguu5921]

dont listen to the others youre a great coach. Ive learned a lot just by watching you!

[@ivannasha5556]

I'm over here with an open mouth trying to figure out who is dumb enough to think he's a bad coach. I must have seen hundreds of his videos. Never heard any bs come out of his mouth. It does look like a lot of them could have learned a lot by simply watching one of his videos. Amazing how so many clients do the same errors he has told hundreds of people to stop doing.

[@bubbaguu5921]

@@ivannasha5556 yeah he's really good and doesn't give any sugar coating BS which I like

[@IllustrateLawYT]

Do you have the video of this students first coaching?! That'd be insane to link so that we could see both his and your improvements. Especially if he was playing the same champ? Magic.

[@Zerophimable]

Search "neace really hard game"

[@Zerophimable]

Same champion.

[@novidistrict]

The way he screamed: "HIDE BEHIND THAT WALL, I NEED YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE VISION CUZ YOU'RE NOT" is what I need cuz when someone screams at you you take the task more serious. Still had a good laugh on that

[@mipocrypto]

Watching through a lot of Neace's videos lately and he's the fucking goat. Wen back fam

[@codymorgan8643]

New shorts channel Neace, get that bread boi. Chill neace was my favorite addition of the lineups

[@grilledleeks6514]

The sexual tension between Neace and Akali is reaching a breaking point.

[@Claudiugh10]

Oh boy the title makes me know it's a good video

[@nyChannel09]

I am SO glad that the first champion i played, which was xerath. As Xerath you play unlocked screen + quickcast on everything. I cant play locked screen anymore. Its so wrong. It seems so off, that the ground is moving instead of the champion. Feels wrong now.

[@andrewbruch5643]

When Akali dashed 4 miles back to Camille i said “what a stupid champion” exactly when Neace did. 😂👌🏽

[@shinigami_3094]

You are a great coach, lots of aspects to consider

[@IllustrateLawYT]

Insta-subbed to the shorts channel! The more Neace the better! :)

[@rishabhk4058]

How to win in league of legends : "everytime you see her you have to jump on the tilted player XD " -neace 2022 (Timestamp : 22:57)

[@tonysmith9905]

NEACE! I'm kinda surprised my comment was on top, thanks for listening to your viewer bruh! You da man!

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Yo Neace, as a fellow League idiot, I'd say a good thing to tell your students is: every day, you play 1 game as a popular champion in your role. Like this game, if this guy had played Akali ONE TIME he would've had a huge advantage in the matchup. Or even for myself, I'm an ADC, main, I've never play a game as Sivir in my life. I think if you were to allocate 1 game a day as you "learn a champ" game, it'd do everyone a lot of good.

[@the_moonwatcher9196]

This helped me a lot too actually. I had one game where I struggled so damn much against ornn because I had no real clue what he did. Dedicated a couple games to learning him a bit and never had trouble again

[@noahcranford6803]

Man I watched a vid of u getting coached by the #1 Ahri na, I had played ahri 3 times the day before and ended up feed each time lol just s1 on my alt acc then after watching the vid I played again and went 7/0 against a fizz I was blown away by the improvement I got from watching!

[@XypherMage94]

That’s the Doaenel hecarim build he used to get rank 12 on day 1 of the new season. He’s a hecarim 1 trick and it’s actually an insanely good build on him.

[@Yamane4242]

"rotate mid, the fight might drag" nice pun

[@vortraz2054]

32:32 THE REASON this is a strong position is that we win if we start this fight. If WE are the one that starts it, if WE get the first move. In that position, everyone knows, we ARE GOING to fight if I keep this position. And if they dont realize they win that fight, they avoid it. So its a uh, I cant predict whats good here moment. But to be honest, if you cant predict it, most of the time thats a good reason to completely avoid it. Like neace said about the TP to bot, we dont want to fight on even ground, we wanna stay top there, and play dirty, because we KNOW we win this fight if we just ooga booga and force it. THOSE are the fights everyone will take, if they just recognize the chance. So the reasons the student listed there, but also, they dont know for sure if their team will give ground so that he can flank from there. Its kind of a scary fight when you play it out in your head, if you think your team will go hit the tower, and your not there, how many could die before I make it?

[@IllustrateLawYT]

TINY LEGGIES?! OH that's what you call Camille?! I love it xD

[@ChimneyCrab737]

bruh this guy sounding like a South Park character saying goddamn it every 5 seconds

[@KegaB3]

I hated this game until literally like two weeks ago. Only played it with a single friend occassionally, It made me angry because i couldnt understand why i was losing. It wasnt until i started watching these coaching videos that i started to understand what i was doing wrong and where my focus should be. It didnt help that i wasnt reading my abilities, it wasnt until i was listening to a coaching video while playing that i decided to read my shit because neace was yelling at his student to "READ IT." lol i really have been enjoying the game lately tho, on a 6 win streak rn

[@soversetile]

It’s a big horse to ride but once you learn a little it actually becomes something you can enjoy (until your entire team shits on you for getting jungle diffed with your measly 100 hours)

[@francescopallottino2825]

you can do all shorts in here and then group them as a compilation so viewers don't get lost between the two different channels. Ps. I am a big fan from Italy

[@zaya431]

Did anyone else notice he didn't press P to open the shop. Like he quickly looked at the shop then clicked on it.

[@Zerophimable]

My P key was broken due to spilling coffee on it. I replaced the keyboard the day after this.

[@zaya431]

@@Zerophimable oh fair enough also makes sense that Neace didn't bring it up or seem to notice

[@localchumb]

Yo neace, what do you think about having people change their camera buttons to F1-F4 (top, jg, mid, adc, if I'm support) and F5 as your Shop button. That's what I do and it works great because my hand doesn't have to move very far. I notice a few of your students have to move and click onto the shopkeeper and that's kinda wasting time to see what's going on in the map

[@mmorkinism]

P is also shop by default. Never clicked mouse on shop.

[@AstroLuv137]

I use x,c,v,b for camera personally, I find I don't even have to move my hand (which I kinda need to do with F keys), I just cycle the cameras with my thumb and press space to go back to my champ. F1 is recall, F2 shop

[@ElvenImmortal]

I'm surprised he didn't comment on this. I click the where my gold is to open up the shop.

[@localchumb]

@@ElvenImmortal it’s ok, daddy neace will always be my hero

[@localchumb]

@@mmorkinism P is so far from B and your abilities though. Sometimes you gotta be ready to react quickly from someone trying to kill you and P isn’t helping you. There’s also times where you have to open shop to buy extremely quickly, so you can tp into a fight and that means having your shop open while recalling

[@davev9743]

@neace just a suggestion but at 31:45 I think your tone and constant correction may cause those brain fart moments. I think he was trying to get it right but every new correction made him think what he was doing to correct was wrong.

[@mattieboy01]

Decent Camille good farm game and alot of good decisions mixed with some small fortunate situations. No wonder he climbed but why another session after only a few ranks? Ok nvm I watched more and shit just broke down quick 🤣

[@ninjakittie24]

What weird stuff are the other coaches focused on? I need to know.

[@mmorkinism]

Some would teach micro stuff that's only relevant for highest level of play.

[@Zerophimable]

@@mmorkinism yeah neace focuses on urgency, hitting your items reliably and being where you should be. He ignores the really minute points that you could probably hit master before even needing to think about. I've had coaches talk about matchups and micro decisions rather than the broad meat and potatoes concepts that Neace does.

[@Ancient_Path]

It blew my mind that any time he shopped he would click back to base and click on the shop instead of pressing P.

[@custardpup6385]

the whole fight at 31:40 was so painful for me to watch because you can very clearly see he has no idea what he's supposed to be doing and when NEACE tells him what to do I can just hear the dial-up noises in his head. Poor guy really crumbles under pressure but I can totally get it because I'd be the same I think.

[@blueridgeorc]

Thats the Doaenel hecarim build. OTP on the pony

[@iamthejustin7420]

On the bright side your level 2 is decent, you know how to close the shop and you also know how to auto a wave which 99% of students don't know do good on you mate.

[@ItsMeBatmanlol]

My lord, 31:50 this guy starts losing his mind, voice nervous af, throwing e into mid river, panic tunnel vision. Just needs to slow down

[@Adam-go6qv]

One thing I wanna know is if his clients actually gain rank after taking his coaching or do they take nothing away from what they were taught?

[@peterrischel2493]

This guy was gold and got plat according to what he said. But it was after 700 games so can't say if it was the coaching or just regular progression

[@Rattolord]

I've been checking a few, cause I'm curious aswell. Many people have changed their name, the ones I have found has been around the same rank. I've not checked too many tho, 10-20

[@bafab00ey]

Having the knowledge and using it is 2 different things. I'd say most clients don't apply it well. Some people can't be taught.

[@Rattolord]

@@bafab00ey true, with most you just need to teach them the right way for them tho. I've been watching lots of different coaches cause I learn something new all the time, but wasn't until I watched cupcakes view on the game I really learned what, when and why, so that worked really well for me

[@liefschneider3123]

So tiliting seeing how client never ignites during battles

[@Raclex13]

I honestly don't think the client knows that ignite grants vision for the duration as well. That's so many autos that she desperately needs.

[@liefschneider3123]

@@Raclex13 Under rated bonus effect

[@darkened3103]

Could someone explain why you need to let someone Auto Attack you and only then start the turret dive?

[@blaumacherxy]

I mean a lot about coaching is stimulating the thought process of how to play the game in my opinion so most coaching will probably help Also I really like ur coaching style no need to get hang up about some peoples opinion just do ur thing its obviously working

[@hoogaboogah8619]

Jhin called Zyra : fatherless, that was awesome

[@gorilaz3375]

Let's give , the man some credit 700 + gmaes !

[@3kkousedflash246]

More people need to be giving likes to these individual KZbinrs and not mainstream ones

[@jere1023]

he really wants to hold onto the ignite until next game

[@swage8566]

for the first dive why did akali need to auto first before the dive

[@omyslash0]

The auto makes her take minion aggro which wouldve been the damage needed to get the kill w/o a huge risk of dying.

[@michrisoft]

She would've picked up minion agro for the extra damage from that big wave to get the kill and get out of tower range faster.

[@sleepinshinigami7216]

post em here

[@xdeadlyx71]

Neace, have you ever thought about coaching for an esports team? i'm curious about your outlook on esports coaching compared to coaching players on stream.

[@Sirkazzerino]

Pretty sure he may have had mentioned this previously. But it runs off the same vein as to why he wouldn't go pro, too much time commitment, and the money isn't really there for him to justify the time commitment.

[@xdeadlyx71]

@@Sirkazzerino that makes sense and its what i figured was the reason he wasnt coaching for an esports team. i definitely think he has the ability to tho bc god damn hes a genius when it comes to micro and macro

[@Sirkazzerino]

@@xdeadlyx71 He could for sure! I've watched him for about 2 years before he switched over to Fortnite for a bit. He could do anything he wanted regarding video games. But, coaching an Esports team is kinda doodoo tbh.

[@Homs86]

"do u know how her r works?" - "no" XD so true

[@Allstarballer2020]

Can someone explain to me why in the first tower dive he should have waited for the Akali to auto him first before diving? And why the Q didn't count for that?

[@inspiregaming8332]

Why we need her to auto us first when we tower dive?

[@abrahame.7151]

Isnt camille losing a lot more exp then akali when she backs at 8:00 minutes and not tping to the wave, because the wave is slow pushing towards akali, so more minions of akali will die right? camille should have stayed with the slow push all the way till the wave is under enemy tower or tp to tower immediately or am i wrong?

[@DanVallelion]

Anyone got link to the first coaching?

[@crvg.luciano]

Man I want to get a coaching session with Neace so bad.. but it is crazy expensive

[@andrija3511]

just checked this guy's acc, he's still gold (gold 4 which is even worse) and he's been gold for 4-5 years, the last time he ended season in plat was 6 years ago, seems like he only was in plat for a brief period of time during the offseason

[@mkmajungu]

If u watch doaenel he aways builds that. Its a really good hecarim build.

[@gogetassj492]

This guy might reach diamond, the golden land of tilts

[@wolfsbite]

why let akali auto under tower, what do I not get?

[@hardtv373]

Omg he sounds sooo nice

[@therealhitbossvimain7375]

chill neace with akali now that i gotta watch

[@TheHopefulOneMyBroA2C4]

That was probably a force of nature game. Idk.

[@TheHopefulOneMyBroA2C4]

So much magic damage.

[@Jakomaniac1]

yes ma- yes sir

[@Bobbobington123]

Would actually like to get coaching but i only play on weekends so ill probably be hard stuck plat 4 the rest of my life

[@edu6262]

Someone knows why he was asking camille to let akali auto her while diving? Minion agro?

[@sonicboom564]

Ya

[@rokasb9441]

Hecarim might had increased his aoe abilties dmg by A LOT with manamune, because it's increased on spells, like yorick's ghouls or aurelion sol stars get nearly 2x dmg increase if manamune is 1'st or second buy. I believe it's good on spells with bad scalings

[@reak9883]

Manamune Chemtank was considered the broken build on heca, first time i knew something better than neace! Whhooop! 😁

[@logan9699]

As an Akali onetrick who's been playing for around 2 weeks, yes she is broken and he damage is stupid once she gets ahead. There's basically no champ she can't just oneshot with her combo. Not to mention he ability to fly right on top of you from wherever if her e connects.

[@Tor1a_]

I went from b3 to s2 in 1 day, I had like 70% wr then I lost about 8 games (there was like nothing I could do about that) in a row, fell to s3 and kinda gave up

[@andrzejandrzej8520]

You must be the unluckiest man in the world if there is literally nothing you could do in 8 games in a row. For real though, from my experience, losestreaks are a mix of unlucky games, games where you misplayed at crucial moments and games where your mental got so low at some point you just threw, even if it was winnable. Sometimes it feels like you could do nothing about it, but the truth is you made mistakes and you paid for them. Often it is the small things, that individually seem like they change nothing, just one wave missed at the beginning, just one kill given to the enemy, just a one fight you didn't rotate to, when they sum up, enemy has enough advantage over you to make you feel like there was nothing you could do about it. But everything is in you, in how you play. Unless you play enchanter support, in that case you'd be probably right lol

[@TFTCarnage]

I don't even enjoy this game anymore but I do like your videos

[@Med_Sel]

I remember this guy's voice !

[@DanVallelion]

For a moment I thought it's 'the worst mental' guy, but it's not, I also recon the voice! I need the OG vid, would be great to see both

[@emmettfrancione9468]

TINY LEGGIES

[@VzKraazy]

How do you feel about Camille for low elo ?

[@kotsios8779]

Are we really diving an akali with shroud up. I dont know about that play ngl

[@fingerflavored2262]

Ignite reveals her from shroud i think. Could be wrong

[@rustygear447]

Yeah that play was bad

[@kotsios8779]

@@fingerflavored2262 yeah i thought of that thats how it works but idk if she shrouds fast enough play is dead

[@fingerflavored2262]

@@kotsios8779 you're right. The guy kept holding ignite

[@swat26X]

I've seen Hecarims with this build a lot lately neace, and Everytime he 1v9s

[@Yosodumb]

Just watching your videos is extremely helpful for me S1 to plat 3. dont listen to the crap

[@plaguedoctor6008]

I was the 420th sub to neace shorts Nice

[@weeny1240]

instantly i see he grabbed w, first mistake within 1 second. You should wait till the lane starts

[@valterink8997]

Qiyana using ult two times at the 26:17 tf is bonkers.

[@boot-strapper]

gave this kid a panic attack

[@odinugm4898]

akali vs cam = cone battle lol

[@bradenpolley7025]

He wont have to worry about those creative TP flanks for a while now....

[@YehNahYehAyy]

700 games later whoo has that time? Damn.

[@peterrischel2493]

If league is your hobby instead of sports its easy to find time to apparently, i had a season with no sports and only school, 1000 games played, next year i was teaching some parkour once a week which made me have to train enough to keep active and k only hit 150 in a season. Back to back games add up very quickly and don't feel that bad when you play 5 games a day in one sitting

[@simhanssens7331]

Dunno what happened and why everybody is like "Don't let people say you're a bad coach, you're amazing". I mean he has proven time and time again his coaching is effective no? Maybe it's not THE MOST indept coaching for every role. But his title isn't "king of toplane" or smth like that... it's king of macro, and that's what he coaches. Which is really efficient if you think about it. Micro is mostly about time, effort and talent turning into experience, macro is just about information. As a coach you can give information, but you can't give time, effort or talent to someone.

[@jamesharshaw5898]

That hec builds the new build going around stupid strong. Honestly surprised you don’t know about it.

[@dryslowfox]

Sudden impact + manamune Hecarim one shot?😅

[@blueridgeorc]

Lot more than that going on. Theres a few things stacked to give burst.

[@gnoll1812]

I just played my first game on camille and I got this same matchup, i destroyed the akali because I watched this video before hand

[@Drazard]

Why is this dudes camera jolting to fountain every time he looks at the shop? is he using his mouse to open the shop??

[@MrZexet]

I gererally love the Musik but this one Was a bit wired for my brain lol :) (only the Start haha)

[@zcvhzd]

He needs to change whatever keybind he uses to center camera, because it locks his screen. There's a different one that just centers the camera on you, bur stays unlocked. I think its with all the other teammate ones He kept looking, then refocusing on himself, then having to undo the locked cam. Too much clicking

[@gonigbratal3963]

People just mean, u r a great coach, love ur content, do what u do, dont fall to the trap asking the fans what to do.

[@ollep0lle]

It says bronze up in the corner......

[@LeagueofLegendsCoaching]

It is incorrect....

[@ollep0lle]

@@LeagueofLegendsCoaching lol thanks

[@tomsnow2872]

I think conditioning is better than bone plating and second wind for Akali, because yes she can all in you but she can also strip your bone plating piss easy. So if you are taking a rune in that category it's that one.

[@Zerophimable]

Camille here. That might not be the worst idea, actually. I felt like I was getting very little out of either. I might try it in the near future.

[@Zerophimable]

Cause I feel like I'm never fighting her without a jungle gank pre 12-15 anyway.

[@smarre12]

second wind would for sure work since she pokes alot but bone plating is for sure not the way to go

[@JavierPwns]

@@Zerophimable sup brother

[@Zerophimable]

@@HighLanderPonyYT I am desperately trying to learn this.

[@elementalgolem5498]

Into Akali bone plating 10/10 times with Camille. However it should be Akali sided as long as the Akali isn't seriously outmatched skill wise. She can with proper spacing e every stun attempt and the out DMG the Camille with shourd q auto etc.

[@azztek9682]

Just post the vids here.

[@christosgeorgiou6912]

i need coach too can u help me?

[@ArdynSol]

Neace is getting flak lately? 😕 Love the content!