LEAKED Titan Sub Transcript Shows Crew In Battle For Lives

[@jeffostroff]

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[@ceedee1675]

I thought your channel was educational. Wouldn't it be best to delete this incorrect viral video and reupload it with accurate information? Or is the monetization too good to delete? I'm glad you were able to profit from the deaths of 5 people, even if you know how their dying words in this video are a complete fabrication as you say in another video. Disrespectful to the deceased. Shame on you.

[@InternetDarkLord]

@@ceedee1675 If this proven fake, yes. He should delete this and replace it. It might have been OK a year ago, but not now.

[@GameScope-nf2wx]

@@ceedee1675tbh he shouldn’t bc this vid is part of history

[@GameScope-nf2wx]

@@InternetDarkLordtbh he shouldn’t bc it is history

[@InternetDarkLord]

@@GameScope-nf2wx OK, add text or an intro explaining this transcript is false, so this video is now only history.

[@sigurdurmarolafsson4183]

The fact that the engineer that told the owner that this was a " accident waiting to happen " got fired is bonkers!!

[@whirled_peas]

It’s so egregious it’s almost as if should be some kind of automatic check when someone is fired from a position like this.

[@rustyyb8450]

Plenty of design groups don't think they need engineers who are able quickly recognize and explain issues. With enough time and work-arounds, the product eventually ships.

[@k-c]

Happens in most profit driven ventures run by sociopaths who disregard safety.

[@sophiacristina]

@@k-c plus woke people... I heard that they wanted to virtue signaling and denied help from veteran and didn't wanted "white males" or something...

[@_MMWWMM_]

The engineer was an old white man (into the trash). He got in the way of OceanGate's innovation with his silly white man talk.

[@iGEAUXHARD]

The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said that Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one. That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Plus, Cameron always went down with two submersibles in case there was an issue.

[@GodKing804]

How would 2 submarines dock [underwater]? Certainly he's not swimming outside.

[@mustymountain]

@@GodKing804 They wouldn't dock underwater... If one sub lost power or got stuck the other sub would know their exact location and would make rescue efforts more efficient.

[@GodKing804]

@mustymountain7105 rescue how?

[@Mary_Thompson]

​@GodKing804 The second submersible could get the other one unstuck with a claw arm or by gently ramming it. One Russian submersible was stuck in the propeller of the Titanic with an American journalist passenger who was terrified while the pilot was speaking frantically in Russian to someone and finally maneuvered the vehicle loose from the propeller of the ship.

[@j.whiteoak6408]

Not ALWAYS with two submersibles - not in the Mariana Trench dives, anyway. But down to Titanic in Mir-1 and Mir-2, yes he did.

[@davidrediger6407]

As a submarine veteran we have a saying, "Submarine life is 99% boring interrupted by shear terror". There are 2 types of failures, the ones that are slow and you can catch without too much damage and the other that happens in the blink of an eye. We used to go to test depth to check out hull integrity and someone would tie a string on each side of the room on the hull and watch the string slack as we went deeper. At test depth we would take up all the slack and make the string taunt again and make bets as to what depth it would snap. Submarine sailors have a dark sense of humor. Being that the hull was a wrapped composite construction water could have wept through the hull from the beginning making it heavier as it descended. I do not know if they had bilge detectors which would have alerted them of a hull problem. Crackling noises probably was arcing from the battery. If Bus A was shorted out Bus B, if it was next to Bus A, would have shorted out at the same time causing loss of communication. Time of implosion can not be determined by that standard. Only by comparing the Navies report of an underwater explosion time stamp, minus distance from sensor, can a true time be determined. That information will not be given to the public by the Navy but maybe the inquiry will release it with there findings. In the Navy if a sub is lost at sea and not recovered the crew is considered 'on eternal patrol'. Eternal Father, strong to save, Whose arm hath bound the restless wave, Who bid'st the mighty ocean deep Its own appointed limits keep; O hear us when we cry to Thee, For those in peril on the sea.

[@lightnang]

Interesting

[@wiseteacher3599]

Thanks for sharing

[@h00z]

Excellent post, thank you, very interesting

[@loganhatch]

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting stuff you went through.

[@russelllariscylll9938]

Thank you for Sharing, sir and thank you for Your service

[@Mara-d2x]

Descending into total blackness for 2 1/2 hours in that tin can - the stuff of nightmares for me.

[@madmage4207]

Same here, watching a TV documentary from the safety of my sofa is the maximum I’d go for with subjects like this

[@mogznwaz]

Me too. Brrrrrr…..

[@jmichaelbourke]

Lying in bed in a blackout suffering insomnia, is the biggest risk I would take; compared to a case like this.

[@Will_CH1]

It wasn't even tin. It was plastic

[@kevinroark5024]

Agreed no way I'd got in that & I had no clue the Titan made 13 trips to the Titanic-I thought it only made 2 are 3 I thought wrong.

[@pandawarriah]

Just the fact that the system doesn't automatically send diagnostics data to the top side is crazy to me. Edit: Wow, this blew up, thanks for all the likes

[@zazuch]

The issue is since they werent tethered al they had was pretty much a SMS system. Which doesnt have massive bandwidth. So short text messages is about all they had to report back with. Thats what Ive been hearing at least.

[@lamaisontokyo4696]

you can’t use radio wave through water, so you’re quite limited.

[@rumcajszwiewny3357]

of course it sends. This movie is an example of hyenaism, making money based on a false record. It's disgusting

[@bbiancini]

He didn’t like 50 year old white guys. Weird, who wouldn’t want experienced engineers?

[@Starchface]

By all accounts, the system was returning position and status data at 15-minute intervals. The inertial navigation and telemetry system is made by Teledyne Marine, and uses an acoustic modem to communicate. OceanGate had been using Teledyne equipment from the start. There is an interview around here between Rush and Teledyne. In that interview, he stated that he didn't like to be interrupted by voice communications, and so the system as configured did _not_ have voice capability-but it is available.

[@oceanexploration]

As a professional oceanographer who has done deep-sea exploration with submersibles, I can personally say that if your descent rate is too fast it simply means you are too heavy, for any and all reasons. If your ascent rate is too slow, it also means you are also too heavy. When you release ballast, you are as light as you are doing to get. You do not rely on vertical thrust to ascend through the entire water column, which consumes power. We almost lost the DSV Alvin on one of our dives due to an entanglement at depth with commercial fishing gear. They popped ballast and ascended a while before sinking again. Vertical thrusters were inoperable. They shifted weight in the sub and used the horizontal thrusters at max to drive to the surface with maximum deflection and barely made it as rescue divers cut the wires free. It was one of the closest calls Alvin ever had to likely loss of life. In Titan's case, many things could be the cause. I loved this breakdown. The high descent rate could be an indication of miscalculated or failed ballast, failure of a buoyancy module (if applicable), or a combination of factors. If the transcript is accurate, the difficulty with the release followed by the very slow ascent rate is very interesting. Typically, in a disaster, there is more than one factor. Here, I believe one failure led to a sequence of failures. I think there was a fault in the descent rate due to some failure, followed by hull deformation and ultimately catastrophic implosion.

[@thekaiser4333]

How many letters per minute was your bandwidth for acoustically transmitted text messages at maximum dive depth from Alvin to surface ship through the thermocline?

[@oceanexploration]

@@thekaiser4333 Basically like typing with one finger. However, Alvin has a voice (phone) as well as code communication system. As depth increases, the delay increases. I found the phone to be a bit garbled at great depth and unnecessary. for the most part, you are autonomous and simple text is fine. Hope that helps.

[@thekaiser4333]

@@oceanexploration I guess for the phone you used the Gertrud system? Up to a couple of 100 yards that should be fine. But not 4000m in salty waters. How at 4000m near a noisy shipping lane like the Titanic rest place? Text? How many letters per minute? One letter? Or were you tethered?

[@thekaiser4333]

@@oceanexploration Nice ship, the Alvin. Quite suitable for Titanic. Wonder why Cameron preferred to use Russian subs? How many Alvins are there?

[@stevenrose4610]

Deformation would be usually be the case for sure. But looking at a video on KZbin from Dr. Chris Rayner going over the accident, he looked at carbon fiber on the hydraulic press channel, and when it breaks, it does so like shards of rock or glass.

[@JeffRL1956]

The two most terrifying words in aviation are "homebuilt helicopter" and the two scariest words in marine engineering are "uncertified submersible".

[@mikey92362]

Every ship on the sea floor is an uncertified submersible, including the Titanic. :)

[@qarnos]

Scariest words in rocketry are "uh oh"

[@Nagarath16]

Scariest one for space projects: Were we supposed to use metric or imperial for the measurements?

[@The_DC_Kid]

@@communistsaregross3165 Building one from a kit would be "home assembled". Making one by duplicating the peces from a working helicopter or a kit would be "home manufactured". Making one of your own design would be "home made" and "home foolhardy".

[@anthonywolverton9833]

@@The_DC_Kid Remember there was that guy in India that designed and built his own helicopter with very little formal knowledge and was unfortunately killed before it ever flew. He was testing it while it was anchored to the ground and the tail rotor exploded(carbon composite?), sending shrapnel into the cabin. Experts say his design had the tail rotor spinning far too fast in relation to the main rotor, plus the rotor wasn't built to aerospace standards to reliably withstand the stresses it was under.

[@donnewton2223]

That question from the top, "do you need to adjust velocity?", sounds like someone was concerned about the rate.

[@Kartzchen]

I say things like that in the OR to communicate concern.

[@david18ireland]

To be honest, it wouldn't have been 19 minutes for me. I probably would've had a heart attack from sheer terror and I don't mind admitting that

[@iWuvHuskys]

Same

[@sanaedillard6659]

Period

[@zyrrhos]

I definitely would have had a panic attack. But I wouldn't be there in the first place. Nothing about it sounds enticing to me.

[@NoMoreQQ]

19 minutes for what?

[@melistasy]

​@NoMoreQQ 19 minutes of knowing there was a problem?

[@brianhoward4698]

Former Navy Submarine Veteran here (688 class 1986 time frame) I could not imagine going that deep in anything made out of carbon fiber. Modern day Flight of Icarus

[@64timesaround]

Ain't no way, SSBN 655. Early 80s

[@snewsh]

literally held together with hopes and dreams.

[@jamaldominicbarr7379]

Anything deeper than 3 feet is far too deep for me. These guys were mad lads level of insane!

[@Kevin-ht1ox]

The whole transcript talked about in the video was faked. There was no communication with the sub.

[@brianhoward4698]

@@Kevin-ht1ox What do you base your statement on? Source?

[@denineeast8858]

Whether or not this transcript is authentic, I just wanted to say that it was presented and broken down very well.

[@mattmatt6572]

Idk jack about subs but it wouldn't seem odd to me at all if the desent is faster as they start and are shallower then slow down the deeper they get. If that is true then this breakdown start saying they were going to fast is bunked.

[@TheZayroen]

Same

[@JCChavz]

You’re obviously a product of main stream media 😂 you muppet.

[@YogurtSnipe]

He could be meaning two different things by too fast. I don’t know anything about water or subs, but I guess the pressure that mounts as you descent can increase the rate of speed. And if they had full ballast early that helps increase it even more. If they had gone the normal rate of speed required and typically followed by as shown in the video maybe there wouldn’t have been the crackling as they descended. And because of the quick descent pressure mounted too quickly to distribute the weight possibly. Still though I don’t get why (following the maybe real transcript) they didn’t change their velocity when suggested by top after they checked their speed.

[@phily708]

i feel like its fake ... first the depths are off and i dont think this would be due to a defect ... also multiple sources said the rtm sucks and its foresight was over emphasized by the company. Also many experts claimed the sub would implode near instant - unabling the crew to "hear cracks"

[@graydonpanzica330]

The part that always gets me is that they did not need to be down there.

[@nymsmacgregor7232]

Correct....once "Ghosts of the Abyss" was released, no one will ever get a better view of the Titanic. This 'mission' , Rush said, was to document how fast the Titanic was decaying, something NOT to risk one's life with. This mission sounds like a poor excuse, and the Titan was full of poor excuses. All you have to do is look at a racing car wreck to see what carbon fiber will do. Rush could have at least put a series of bulkheads in to give it more strength. The sub should have been called "The Ego Trip"

[@bluto212]

I'd prefer a trip to Venice to look at the artwork

[@patwilson2546]

RTM: what a concept. A system that tells you that you are about to die. Amazing that anybody thought that was a reasonable substitute for verifying hull integrity BEFORE you dive. RIP all, but let's learn.

[@uploadJ]

It does sound (no pun intended) like the human ear was equally able to detect issues too.

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

They played this off as an advancement over other subs. Forgetting of course other subs don't need such systems because they've been engineered properly and proven safe by independent agencies.

[@bobjohnson205]

It's like the idiot lights on your car's dash that tell you that you already have a problem!

[@shable1436]

​@@bobjohnson205the gear shift light in older manual cars

[@Grognarthebarb]

That's what that engineer they fired said 😂

[@NavyVet2243]

I was a Submariner who had the best metals to protect us. To think they went in Carbon fiber just boogles my mind. We trained and trained and qualified on our ships for far less money than they did just to joy ride. It's sad to think that people who know what's right weren't consulted or ignored.

[@johnangelotenorio]

Ignored, dismissed and fired.

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

I very seriously doubt the Navy qualified anything for a $1M. To have actually built this right, and capable of having 5-6 passengers with all primary/redundant safety systems, certified for use with all top-notched trained and certified personnel for operations, would likely cost $50-100M. I could understand why the DESIRED choice of CF given its strength per mass, resulting in an overall less weight per volume and then payload capacity...But, in the end it was plain stupid though. The Navy OTOH has a virtual "unlimited" budget for such things in comparison.

[@nealloneally6936]

The ceo said he didn't want white veterans. He wanted young kids

[@deniseclaeys8295]

The last item they jettisoned was the frame, which may have provided some structural strength to the vessel. Ascending without it may have caused too much flex in the tube-shaped carbon fiber hull, which most likely had microscopic fractures.

[@juanpecan7089]

"Inspiring diversity" was a good cover story for his cost cutting. How much did the "50 year old white guy" sub vets demand in salary, and how quickly would said vets have punched Rush in the nose after seeing his shoddy operation?

[@theodoreboosalis]

It's very unfortunate this happened - but tragedy brings wisdom. We know that Carbon Fiber unto itself is NOT suitable for diving expeditions of any kind. Further the Titan was constructed without an escape hatch (yes at the lower depths not worth anything) but we don't build subs without a topside escape hatch. It was all wrong.

[@jeffostroff]

Stockton Rush's contribution to science was so huge that all humans now know not to make a submersible out of carbon fiber

[@Abrams1985]

It’s been obvious for real engineers from the very beginning

[@iamamish]

@@tonymontana897 I think he's beyond the reach of most jurisdictions

[@kdelka81]

​@jeffostroff We were supposed to have already learned from the Titanic to not push engineering past it's limits. It will happen again bc egos are too big. And again and again.

[@simonbone]

@@jeffostroff The only way I can think of that carbon fiber could work in a situation like this is if it's draped around stronger supports and has a shape a little like a suspension bridge, so that the pressure is increasing the tension on the carbon fiber, and transferring the pressure to, say, steel rings inside it. On the Titan, I suspect the carbon fiber played no structural role whatsoever, and it was the 13 cm thick epoxy that did all the work of withstanding the pressure - until it gave out.

[@Weathernerd27]

I don't think a slower descent would have saved them. Parts of the hull were not rated for the pressures found at that depth and its surprising the sub didn't implode sooner. Its also well known that carbon fiber weakens with each pressurization/de-pressurization cycle and after previous descents the hull was probably already on the verge of failure. I suppose with a slower descent they might have noticed the problem at a lesser depth and have had a slightly better chance of ascending before total failure but the odds were still not good.

[@seanscully4347]

So, why is cabon fibre used? Is there anything else better?

[@scottarivett496]

@@seanscully4347 It’s not used by anyone else. Not for that purpose. The ones that don’t blow up at those depths are titanium and steel, not CF.

[@Max_Meier]

@@seanscully4347 It is cheaper and sounds more fancy to use something more modern sounding than the rest in this business.

[@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime]

Aren’t some of the newer airliners built with carbon fiber? Airplanes go through pressurization and decompression cycles too. That makes me a little concerned.😟

[@afishcalledminnewawa]

People wanted to think they died instantly, and they did, but that death was preceded by minutes of absolute terror.

[@PraveenSrJ01]

20 harrowing minutes

[@RunPJs]

Yep...I suspected as much...but not like this

[@appletherapy]

Honestly. People are too soft. They need to know how messed up life can be so they can cherish lives more.

[@dmmice2344]

Yes unfortunately it was 😢

[@beckydoesit9331]

My daughter has posters of Stockton Rush all over her walls. She wants to be a submersible pilot. Should I tell her?

[@DaveK385]

Well, you talked me out of any sub rides. I worked in the elevator business for 30 years and Thyssen Krupp Elevators put carbon fiber hoist ropes on a lot of their new elevators. All the hoist ropes broke on an elevator and it dropped, safeties caught it. But Thyssen had to go all over the country replacing carbon fiber hoist ropes with steel hoist ropes, they couldn't stand the repetition.

[@universalsoldier2293]

JFC, buddy. You may have just kickstarted my diet to walk up stairs wherever possible.

[@RadChick]

A steel company using carbon fiber ropes? Go figure...

[@carlathomas6257]

Think I'll be taking the stairs from now on...

[@6yjjk]

@@topsteve9898 Especially if it's you doing the ground-breaking when it goes wrong!

[@whoever6458]

You'd likely be fine in one of the metal subs. It was just foolish to use carbon fiber as the material for the pressure hull. No one else has been that stupid.

[@breathialwashere5119]

I'm a US Navy sub veteran, served four years on one of the 637-class fast-attack submarines. NEC 3354. We had several near misses; it's why we called our boat "the boat from Hell." On three separate occasions, I didn't just think we were dead, I flat-out knew it. Hell, ALL of us knew we were done... but somehow we all managed to survive each without so much as a scratch. SMH. I can tell you, when you're in that situation... when you know you're in deep sh!t, time seems to slow down, you suddenly become more aware of things, perceptually. The sense of fear, that comes with the knowledge that you're about to be crushed, will in one way make you want to freeze, yet in another way make you want to scream and run around like a lunatic... The crackling sounds combined with the RTM system going full red, and the inability to ascend...? Yeah, they knew what was coming. And once it became clear, that they were done...? You make your peace with God, say a final prayer, perhaps ask God to look after your loved ones, because you won't be there... and then you wait. Because that's all you CAN do... At least they had enough time to make their peace with God.

[@FlyingRifle]

I decided against Nuke and went with electronics instead (hated physics, loved math). Thank you for your insight. Sub riders have the best stories.

[@little1942]

I appreciate your comment. I also pray they had enough time to make peace with their creator. I just can’t truly fathom how terrifying this must have been for them. Your comment opened my eyes a little bit. Thank you for your service, to both of you.

[@12345fowler]

So what could be the reason of the slow ascent ? Change on the buyancy equation ? Water ingress in the back compartment ? This would have titled the sub no ? If these comms are the only data transmitted (depth and time stamp) it would indicate a piss poor design and implementation. Nothing relative to the horizontal and vertical position of the sub ? They are in pitch black environement for god^s sake how can they judge they are levelled out ? Jeez that whole operation looks like a dinky toy game gone bad.

[@drmorcoch9338]

my guess is those atheists would be praying too

[@SharonM-q8t]

US Navy sub zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz What were you saying? I fell zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@bigboi1124]

That "increased acoustic activity that always occurs well before the structure fails" is the sound of the passengers screaming. Foolproof and works every time.

[@kevinroark5024]

Agreed,a once in a lifetime trip to die for at the low price of $250,000.00per soul&we aren't immortal's&not a Soul gets out of this life alive the dead know nothing.I feel bad for the teen his mom was suppose to go but she goy scared&talked her son in going fur fathersday.

[@snatchhog]

" Snap crackle pop "

[@blaksu]

Yeah and then if you listened to what he said immediately after that, he said that didn't happen in this case

[@pfschuyler]

Well they were right actually. It's just that the timeframe for warning is in milliseconds, not in minutes or hours. 😅

[@montewright111]

No time to scream.

[@kaptainkaos1202]

I’ve worked with engineers like Stockton. They are so sure of themselves and no one else compares to their brilliance. Anyone else pales in comparison thus any concerns by them are of no importance.

[@dutchtiepie9684]

Sounds like a narcisist

[@Jeval-496]

Pure f’n hubris

[@a.karley4672]

Ditto. I'll wind back a little. They are sure they are right, AND they have a significant personal interest in the financial success of the project. That is well known to be a, literally, lethal mixture.

[@toshiyasumorita4569]

If you look at Stockton's background, you will see he was a pilot. He was never an engineer.

[@jpweek5885]

It's a real common trait I think

[@magnemmar4869]

If that's the actual transcript, their descent rate near the end would have required 8.64 hours to ascend back to the surface. Also, if this is legitimate, their utter disregard for a significantly increased descent rate (unless they were intentionally descending more rapidly) was yet another indicator they ignored.

[@backfromcuba]

this is what i can't understand. that descent rate means he knew they were overweight, means he should have known they could have issues ascending. Why on Earth didn't they abort right near start of dive? Ridiculous.

[@JK-tr2mt]

@@backfromcuba Was the total weight of the passengers too heavy? Can this experiment get any worse? I guess there will be lots more to come from the official inquiry.

[@diannt9583]

Would not the top ship have someone up there saying: Return NOW?

[@molybdomancer195]

@@diannt9583because the big boss was in the sub and he was famous for not respecting safety issues?

[@GlutenEruption]

@@backfromcubabecause clearly this is a very fake transcript. Originally a transcript was released on TikTok that claimed to be “voice communications” until they realized they’re WERE no voice comms, at which point they released this text transcript with parts taken almost word for word from the “voice” hoax. This is just a really despicable and shameful cash grab by people on TikTok.

[@darrensamuels1511]

I don’t believe all those people knew how many problems were with this sub. As a Boilermaker myself there is no way I would have trusted that carbon fibre he was told the risks and you can be sure these people on board didn’t know that risk. The way the titanium end caps glued on to me was outrageous What a sad story.

[@manictiger]

I think carbon fiber could have worked, but they were lazy and reckless about its implementation. There was absolutely no consideration of galvanic corrosion of the titanium. I'm sure there's a right way to use carbon fiber for this, but that takes time, money, expertise, and deliberate critical thought, and that's not something the CEO seemed interested in.

[@Boats_N_Hoez]

Not when there’s a “professional” with extreme credentials telling you that it’s safe you’re more inclined

[@deryk2002au]

They definitely had an idea of the risks, did you see the contract they signed?

[@GaZonk100]

sounds like Rush was high as a kite in love with 'the new'

[@Teuwufel]

@@deryk2002au 90% sure they just glanced over and didn't read the papers.

[@johndef5075]

My claustrophobia wouldnt allow me to be bolted into anything. Gives me chills thinking about it.

[@asafaust8869]

Same here. I panicked when I had to undergo an MRI. The chamber was dark and noisy. If I should need another one, I will insist in sedation.

[@abigail1023]

Not even if I was PAID 250K! Not even a million!

[@MattVrazel-xy1hj]

If I was a rich going down to see the Titanic would not be on my bucket list

[@jff1813]

@@MattVrazel-xy1hj I can think of much better ways to spend a quarter million and none of them involve a trip to the bottom of the ocean in a tin can with video game controllers.

[@RonaldHawes-sr3cr]

No doubt.

[@timibo971]

Basically this is as James Cameron described it, the crackling described in the transcript is the carbon farber delaminating which water then ingresses and is likely the crackling sound they heard and why they had power failures on the vertical thrust unit. If this is genuine this would have been unimaginably terrifying for the entire crew, impending death. Sheer terror, I do hope the boy and his dad in this awful moment have the presence of mind to embrace and hold each other in those last moment. It's so very sad.

[@jillsy2815]

That's what I was thinking about the father & son. Supposedly the son went still trying to get his father to love him so maybe the father finally said, "I love you" and they were at peace❤

[@HazeLmao]

@@jillsy2815this was a horrible event let’s be careful with fanfiction.

[@JustinElevated]

​@@HazeLmaowhy do we need to be careful?

[@lyrimetacurl0]

"Happy Father's Day"

[@georgejones5019]

It happened in .03 seconds. The rate of the delamination would have very rapid at the depth with the pressure.

[@peterjohnjoseph]

I just watched an interview yesterday with Karl Stanely who said when he went down on the Titan it made shotgun like sounds the entire way down, and continued to have the shotgun like blasts all the way back up to 300 feet. Its what made him send Stockton Rush an email stating he didn't have a marketable product and bringing in passengers was a bad idea even though they were living in the same house.

[@DKFX1]

Yes it's true, but after that warning from Karl Stanley Stockton made repairs on the hull to avoid the loud popping sounds.

[@michellem7300]

​@DKFX1 his repairs weren't good enough unfortunately

[@rejuvenatingsoul3498]

The "shotgun" noise is called delamination crackle. It's quite literally the carbon fiber ripping apart. Rush knew exactly what he was doing. He murdered those passengers.

[@TheFutureLooksGrimm]

It’s pretty messed up that depending what news outlet aired Kens interview, many cut out that part about Stockton acting on it, including cancelling dives and getting a new 1mil carbon fiber hull replacement. Some news outlets keep changing the context of the interview. Many don’t differentiate from normal sounds Stockton talked about to extreme sounds. I’ve been keeping track in Evernote with dated links and hilighted interviews.

[@Astral_thee_God]

I dont think it matters if Stockton made some repairs after Stanley told him he could literally hear the sub tearing apart the entire time when that material shouldn’t be used in the first place for a sub. That’s the point. Stockton knew he shouldn’t use carbon fiber, people told him he shouldn’t use it, the sub tearing itself apart told him he shouldn’t use it, but he did anyway. Amongst a series of other things that made the sub completely unsafe for people to be inside of. I don’t care if he fixed it, he was entirely in the wrong and entirely knew it. He just didn’t care

[@tuffyukulele]

This puts a whole different perspective in my mind. I was thinking they were descending peacefully and then the implosion occurred spontaneously and everyone went in a millisecond, without knowing anything was really wrong. But watching this video opened my eyes. I can’t possibly imagine just how fearful I would be knowing the submersible I was in was having an emergency and nothing was working right. I wouldn’t wanna spend my last thoughts before death panicking like that…

[@redflipper992]

lol!

[@orvil9223]

My father was involved in a couple "close calls" on a submarine when he was in the Navy, on subs for 20 years, and he said that you go into a mode where you are trying to fix the problem (relying on their training) so you don't really accept that it's happening at the time. When they got out of trouble, that's when they took a deep breath and freaked out! lol. They ascended so fast, and at an angle that was the max for the sub, one time, that the sub surfaced and slammed back down so hard that it went 54 feet under water again before coming up and resting on the surface. He said the digital readout of their depth was moving so fast you couldn't read 2 of the 4 digits during their ascent.

[@Artsygoons]

@@orvil9223But I don’t think everyone would have had a job. I think maybe two people would have been frantically trying to fix stuff, but what? They had an elevator button and PlayStation remote? They whole thing is so tragic. Crazy about your dad. I can’t imagine the horror. I was thinking about in aviation how pilots aren’t supposed to communicate in a crisis really to ATC because they are supposed to be aviating. I think this was just another example of how this operation wasn’t up to par in a way. How did they not know they were descending too fast almost immediately when they had done it so many times. They should have known how deep they should be for every time interval.

[@orvil9223]

@@Artsygoons I agree, but, I'm sure that the boss man, as much of an idiot as he was, wasn't letting on how serious the problem was. None of them were so experienced they understood implosion and how it happens, etc. So, when it happened, it was quick - they happen in like a millisecond.

[@orvil9223]

@@Artsygoons As a matter of fact - I just found this. Someone did an example of the submersible imploding. kzbin.info-BYN1lKdduc

[@AIDigitalMarketPros]

Once water seeps into the lamination layers it causes a snow ball separation of the layers resulting in complete failure. The sub was doomed with the first crackling sounds.

[@slayer8actual]

The only redeeming factor in this whole tragedy is that Rush was onboard. He built that deathtrap. He fired people who wanted to make it safe. He took shortcuts. He put other people's lives at risk. If he had not been onboard, it's almost a guarantee that he would have found a way to blame the crew for the destruction of his submarine. He would have found a way to build another and continue to risk other's lives. This tragedy stops all that. It's horrific that he had to take some innocent and courageous people with him, but at least those will be the last people he kills.

[@biff3917]

the people that got on that death trap were not courageous they were stupid.

[@slayer8actual]

@@biff3917 they were lied to. If someone you perceive as intelligent, dynamic and an adventurous explorer tells you something is safe AND he's going with you, it's easy to get lost in his fantasy and fall for his lies and deception. They were foolish to believe him, but not stupid.

[@newchannelwtfwhy]

When the media was still lying about "maybe they have air" I hoped that the passengers would have offed Rush first if they knew they were going to suffocate

[@colinmontgomery1956]

​@@slayer8actual, pretty despicable thing to say, in my opinion.

[@iqra9620]

So they had 20 minutes notification that something was wrong .Hope the other 4 had plenty of time to punch Stockton on the nose or break his neck.

[@dmmchugh3714]

From what the news reported, there were indications that the sub dropped ballast at one point as preparation for re-ascending. Seems like they may have heard signs of structural distress and were trying to surface. The implosion may have killed them beyond immediately, but looks like they knew something was going wrong.

[@BigstickNick]

Yeah, I’d have to guess so.

[@TheLilE1993]

Yea just imagine hearing that creepy noise of steel bending little by little at first until it just caves in in an instant. Bet they were terrified

[@Del2394-g3z]

@@TheLilE1993 Not the first time the sub made strange sounds according to this person: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGWTpp6roJ50r5Y Forgot the timestamp when he talks about it at some point in the video, that thing was like a Russian roulette, only that the customers didn't know they were playing it but I have to say it was very irresponsible of them to get inside that thing when you look at the wording of the waivers they had to sign, I like to think that my survival instincts would have kicked in and I would have looked for experts opinions first... it seems like many are coming out now, after the fact, about how unsafe that thing really was but the warning signs were there all along. I feel bad for the kid.

[@theguy9067]

Did you even watch the video?

[@comyuse9103]

@@Del2394-g3z the kid is the only one i feel bad for. couldn't care less if some rich prick dies, and the worst part about the CEO dying is that it wasn't slow.

[@driftingsakurablooms]

James Cameron mentioning in a recent interview that they could probably hear the delamination of the Titan sub looks to be proven true. How terrifying.

[@richardb4313]

Yes whoever made up this fanfiction transcript made sure they incorporated what Cameron said for "credibility" . The ratio of people falling for this vs. people who think this is a huge red flag is shamefully large.

[@voidgods]

​​​@@richardb4313ere's no "real" reason to believe either side though, other than one's desire to be on A side. A true rational personal wouldn't make a decision on the veracity of it until it's proven. People have leaked gore pictures of famous people accidents/deaths, "confidential" messages between high ranking figures, and many other, more relevant information. So no, I wouldn't doubt this is real. But it can always be fake until confirm by trusted sources (and even then, what a "trusted source" is debatable nowadays). So why be so passionate about one side or the other? You are an example of your own comment.

[@briannewton3535]

@@richardb4313 I'm willing to tentatively accept this. We know that this sub failed, we know that it imploded catastrophically, the only thing we don't know yet was the cause. Yes, people may believe this, and currently I find it plausible. I appreciate there are a shamefully large number of people that will fall for claims without credible evidence, as in about 75% of the people on this planet. I find it a little surprising that so many believe things that are not plausible, for example that there is a wizard daddy in the sky that created the cosmos and earth out of nothing, many even believe this was done in six days. Back in the day folks lived to a hundred, and a global flood happened where societies that were on the planet at this time never even noticed this happening.

[@CheGuevara110100]

​@@richardb4313how u know it fake Richard B

[@driftingsakurablooms]

​@@richardb4313 Just like your ego is shamefully large. Perhaps, you should present why you think this is made-up to help people understand why you believe it's a red flag, rather than just trying to act like you're superior than everyone? What good does it do to be so upset about it if you're not going to promote actual change?

[@jessejames7757]

Never get in a sub built with Wal-Mart and dollar store components by a cheap skate.

[@glenistergrotj3022]

Just imagine the helplessness you’d feel knowing that you’re almost 4 km down, you hear the cracking sounds, the alarm turns red. Not to mention the fact that they were ascending super slowly.

[@Codduct]

I get so sad when i think about that kid, imagine the anxiety descending down because he didnt even wanna go in the first place….now imagine him realizing how fucked and unlucky he was at that moment in that sub when he saw Mr. Rush get nervy himself….

[@BionicPig95]

They knew the risks. Don’t feel bad for them.

[@Roadent1241]

@@BionicPig95 The kid didn't sign up for it willingly. Him I feel bad for. The adults, whatever.

[@BionicPig95]

@@Roadent1241 yes he did. He felt pressured, but he still did it willingly.

[@BionicPig95]

@@Roadent1241 and the pressure he felt from daddy was nothing compared to the pressure that killed him lol

[@CharlieB.-]

I cannot imagine being “trapped” that deep underwater with no way to control my outcome. I would think for some if not the entire crew that it was terrifying for those 19 minutes. 19 minutes is a long time to have millions of thoughts and scenarios running through your mind. I am so sorry that this happened to them.

[@joane24]

I think when people know they might die, they pray. I was in a few very dire situations in my life (life in real and direct danger), and felt then almost tangible presence of God. So I think most people naturally pray when they think their end is near. And you kind of see your life before your eyes, like a recap of what it's all worth. I can't imagine what else you can do, prayer comes natural in that momens, at least I hope that is for other people as well. 🙏

[@mmr0221]

Hope someone brought a gun in case to end it all quickly

[@SilverFoxCooking]

@@joane24 That is what I was thinking..... 19 minutes to get your life right with God if nothing else.

[@KayInMaine]

So scary to think about!

[@patrick_8196]

this is fake and was uploaded to get views, you fell for it

[@nicholashaindl7940]

I used to work as a commercial diver, diving confined space. I remember losing air once and trying to get back to my entry point having my life flash before my eyes, thinking I had a good life and then topside restored my air. Them potentially being down there for 20 minutes thinking about the possibility of dying is gut wrenching.

[@dwaynes5983]

My brother was in navy going to join divers. In training lost two guys and he decided not to do it. Anything can happen.

[@roadrunner9622]

I know this may not be as dramatic, but one time I was swimming and came up under the plastic pool cover. No air gap, no matter how hard I pushed on it. The panic was involuntary.

[@martytube821]

Well the people should of been informed that it was risky!

[@marielle129]

@@tonyvelasquez6776 how else can it be done ? Wires have to enter at some point right ? How is it done on James Cameron’s vessel

[@TeraGreene1]

Hell, watching the 16 minutes of this was suspenseful enough let alone being down there for 20 minutes doing/hearing all that. Wow. Just wow. Also, thanks for sharing your story. Sounds like you’re a true survivor!

[@malkeus6487]

When the acoustic hull monitoring system was explained for the first time I was flabbergasted. Because even from the optimistic description they were giving it sounded like it would give you a few seconds warning literally right before death. And it was talked about as a safety feature.

[@davedoe6445]

To be fair it sounds like this system did seem to give about 20 minutes of warning, the question is: why didn't they immediately ascend? They should not have needed thrusters to get up unless they were overweight

[@davedoe6445]

I found another video where they did a dive and they apparently were unable to ascend, so this is not a new thing at all. They likely either had a defective system for dropping ballast or were way overweight

[@midokhalil1558]

@@davedoe6445when we built sub we test their hull and know what’s their capabilities is and we test 20 percent more than designated depth and we forge them from strong durable material , the idea of building acoustic moniters to tell us that ur hull is failing is reallly reflective of the harsh reality of the poor design they had , I gotta admit it worked for dozens of times but it is not as recyclable or durable like titanium or steel

[@davedoe6445]

@@midokhalil1558no it should have been a metal sphere, the design was just plain unsafe. It was very unethical of them to sell commercial tickets for such an experimental craft

[@midokhalil1558]

@@davedoe6445 well rush managed to get around that by calling them a mission specialist and having them to carry a bucket or tight a nut with a wrench and he named their participation as financing science endeavors, and he let them know it was experimental, it did work but I agree it was an unsafe design I would not do it and I will be 100 percent safe in a titanium sphere or steel sphere , even if it was from titanium the cylinder design will be subjugated to stress points around the welds area and nuts and could fail if not tested and also it would have been a really costly approach that rush himself was trying to avoid

[@frednugent2310]

As an engineer you couldn't pay me enough money to get aboard this death trap. I appreciate this presentation and did a good job highlighting this disaster. I pray the family finds peace.

[@jimheimerl1637]

Same here. As a mechanical engineer who made the windows for the Lockheed Orion spacecraft, I err on the side of caution TO THE EXTREME. High/low pressure environments are not to be trifled with.

[@frednugent2310]

@@jimheimerl1637 Wow, that's an achievement to post on a resume. I'm also a mechanical engineer. I work for a power company specifically in steam power generation.

[@svenjansen2134]

Pay a quarter million, sign a waver and have yourself sealed in a death trap, bolted shut from the outside. I thought I did stupid things with my money. I would never ever have entered that sub, not for a million dollars. To go watch a shipwreck where hundreds of people died. And call it the Titan. Bad karma much?

[@kwimms]

@@jimheimerl1637 Ha ha... wow! You engineered some windows for a fake space craft. Amazing! So smart you are. Look up and see the pretty lights... NASA is Hollywood East and just hires dumb engineers to do dumb useless vanity projects to inject money into the economy. Wake up!

[@amandabennett8346]

I know nothing about engineering, but the word "composite" would have done it for me.

[@Rovsau]

The reason James Cameron was reasonably certain the sub had imploded, was because he was informed that they had lost contact with both communication systems simultaneously.

[@littleangel18]

And cos he knew Stockton Rush was an idiot and a rogue who took unnecessary risks

[@Rovsau]

@@littleangel18 That may not be true. In his media statements he said he thought they had "fixed the problems" and wished he had been more publicly vocal about the criticism of risk for that design. At least, that's what he said on CNN or some other channel.

[@jayscott8583]

the navy knew when it happened so why did they let the farce continue.

[@tyeck5502]

He had inside information (probably from military sources, which is why he was vague) that military microphones had picked up the implosion.

[@Rovsau]

@@tyeck5502 No. His source was the very small Deep Sea Exploration community. They are all experts in their field, and refer to each other for knowledge and feedback. I believe the number of people in this community is around or below 100 individuals. You can find all the facts from watching the actual interviews James Cameron did, after the Coastguard Admiral in charge declared that they had found wreckage and concluded it imploded. James Cameron went on many news interviews, such as with CNN, BBC and NBC.

[@Inkling777]

When I saw that text transcript a few days ago, I notice their inability to ascend more than a short distance after discarding all the weight possible. You've noted a similar problem, their too-rapid descent. Taken together, they show that the vessel was too heavy, but why? Were the weight calculations for the passengers far off? That seems unlikely. I wonder if the vessel had separate compartments for batteries and instrumentation. If so, was one or more of them either improperly sealed or imploded early in the descent? The added weight as sea water replaced air could explain the fast descent and the inability to ascend.

[@weldorman8495]

The extra weight was accounted for by the size of Rush's ego.

[@virginiaviola5097]

They’d had issues before with the thrusters which one was found to have been accidentally installed backwards once they surfaced. God only knows what mistake might have caused this. Safety was not this guy’s first concern, money was. Well, dead men are dead men when engineering fails, and physics doesn’t care about your bank account, that lesson should have been learnt from the Titanic. The irony is hard to miss.

[@rationalbasis2172]

@@weldorman8495 The laws of physics crush egos.

[@hillbillybeerdranker6678]

I wonder about the weight of the passengers too. As you know, those passengers were some pretty fat guys. If this message transcript is true, it appears they started dropping too fast as soon as they entered the water. The way Stockton was about testing things, he may have never tested the sub with passengers weighing that much. Stockton himself probably weighed 200 lbs, the father and son might have weighed 250 to 300 each, and then the other 2 guys looked big boned, like they might have weighed 230 each. They might have had 1100 or 1200 lbs of weight inside that thing.

[@StealthMode139]

Yes I'm thinking they went too fast and got caught in a gravity and or current well; That they could not escape from. 🙏

[@BruceChamberlin-y4r]

The boat was heavy from the get go. They towed the sub on a small raft in heavy seas. This is where I think the damaged occurred and presumably water added a fatal amount of weight. You would think just weighing the sub could be a good check on its dive worthyness. You’re dropping it in the ocean with five victims aboard and you don’t know for sure how heavy it is and how fast it will sink? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@Mavthehuahua]

I think it would be interesting If you read the transcripts from other dives, that had to be aborted to see what the communication was like. Maybe, then you can decipher if what they were saying seemed more desperate or if it was how they’ve communicated in the past

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

good luck getting a hold of those logs. i resent that they are keeping everything a secret.

[@Sweetlyfe]

@@ScreamingEagleFTWBecause it’s an active investigation, if a plane crashes they don’t immediately tell everyone in the world the answer unless it’s an obvious safety recall to ground those particular airliners until they can verify that they are safe. This idea that people are suddenly hiding things from the vast majority of the planet has always been the case in investigations, it’s just now with social media we want instant gratification. It’s like people assume it’s a conspiracy of hiding information from people like us that frankly don’t have a right to know, the families do, the crew topside do, the rest of the submersible industry does which will come with a set of minimum standards that have to be met now. It’s not about you or I.

[@rmac3217]

Older transcript is apparently Rush throwing the controller at the lead engineer's head

[@DJJoshMcClintock]

Like you mentioned.... In an interview on CNN James Cameron said that he had heard on good authority that they dropped their ballast and were ascending. He also mentioned that they had probably heard the carbon fiber cracking "with their own ears". (This really stuck with me because I didn't hear that anywhere else.) So he has probably read this transcript. He said that he learned this from "people in the community." I think that gives weight to this being real. I must say, the message "crackling sound aft" and the final message "more sounds aft" gave me the chills. Edit: It's at the very end of his interview with Anderson Cooper.

[@chrisd6736]

OR the person who faked this transcript saw the James Cameron interview like everyone else 🤔

[@DKFX1]

@@chrisd6736 They have the right text format and the right names of the crew members. It's very unlikely it is fake.

[@2bond007]

Yup, saw the same interview! Add to that I didn't see any videos of other dives where they had that many (5) large people in the sub. That's a lot of weight too.😬

[@nineteen8122]

Absolutely! Cameron was the only one to mention them dropping ballast and their knowing that they were having issues. That is the most likely scenario when it comes to this being leaked.

[@johninmunich]

The shame is that Rush used a 1D (kind of) simple wrap. CFRP can be strong in compression if the external forces are in the right direction for the carbon weave. He should have used a 3D weave, but it probably was cost prohibitive. They were operating on a shoestring budget and ego/bravado. I've worked with carbon fiber composites. Whether this account is authentic or not, for sure, the passengers were hearing crunching noises on the way down, particularly towards the end. I can imagine Rush telling them, "That's totally normal. Nothing to be alarmed about."

[@desertsunset8025]

​@@johninmunichI've heard an account of a previous passenger that they heard crunching noises . They told him it's normal .

[@Mae-nr7wr]

only communication the sub had with the surface was position data, aka this whole video is bs

[@Cheeky-fingers]

I heard basic text type messages could be sent at every 15 minute hand shake.

[@bepitan]

@@Cheeky-fingers .,.why would a technology only work every 15 minutes?

[@4OHz]

6:23 It sounds that this is plausible - Stockton Rush would have pushed believing he would risk a quick decent. Then he realized it was too late. He took risk un-necessarily with other peoples lives

[@xavierestrada5676]

It seems like the Topside knew the descent was starting too fast,but rather than forcefully requesting the sub slow the rate, they merely asked if suggesting. Was the owner the type to accept recommendations or was the crew afraid to give their opinions? Seems like an avoidable tragedy if the transcript is real

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

stockton replied "no we are fine" so... he was aware of it.

[@zaytime4156]

Being that he fired a man for bringing up safety Concerns I’d say the latter

[@zee9709]

to be fair, being that it can't handle a litle bit added descent speed and it broke, i don't think that thing not broke with the usual speed either.

[@cremebrulee4759]

​@@ScreamingEagleFTWhe was not qualified to make that comment. He thought that the construction of the Titan was fine, too.

[@BonazaiGirl]

Stockton booted the engineers that gave their safety concerns and warned of the dangers, so it was most definitely the latter.

[@plasmodesma7569]

As one who suffers from claustrophobia, this story is scarier than anything ever - aside from maybe being buried alive in a casket. What a horrible, horrible situation.

[@TheRCTAddict]

on the upside (if one can even call it an upside...), aside from the terror of hearing the sub slowly tear itself apart before implosion, death itself would have been utterly instantaneous, and I mean that in the truest sense -- a fraction of a blink of an eye, quite possibly faster than any other human death in recorded history save for those in the immediate blast radius of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. far, far better than being buried alive and slowly suffocating, albeit still a horrible, terrible way to go. needless deaths just for the trend of 'extremophile tourism'.

[@SpookiCooki]

Yeah, it almost tops the nutty putty cave incident.

[@williamfabiano543]

My nightmare

[@shatteredreality87]

I don't even want to be buried in a casket when I die!! I'm getting cremated and dumped in a mud puddle or thrown in a creek lol.

[@KT-sq2ml]

Same here / actually makes me queasy seeing those photos of people inside the submersible. No way I could even get into that thing even if it was on land - I’d seriously have a major panic attack.

[@eatwhatukiii2532]

This seems more realistic to me than what’s been told that they had NO warning. If they dropped ballast it means they DID know, and it was found quite a distance away from the actual debris.

[@Ample17]

What makes you think they dropped the ballast?

[@CamperIV]

@@Ample17 "it was found quite a distance away from the actual debris"

[@skullface691]

@@Ample17 They said they dropped it in the transcript...

[@Ample17]

@@skullface691 You mean the transcript that is in no way confirmed and could be completely made up?

[@tonywoods4270]

@@skullface691this isn’t an actual transcript. It’s a fabrication. Also if it imploded it can send the ballast flying from the point of implosion

[@joehiden7475]

Exactly what I thought with respect to hull taking on water to where it weighted them down to the point the thrusters could not overcome the extra weight of water. Could it explain why they descended too fast? Maybe it took on water early on the ride out to the drop sight??

[@jerrycarter1928]

I plotted the transmitted data (elapsed time vs depth) vs a nominal descent and it looks more interesting. There are several times they transmitted and did not provide a depth, but you can infer a possible depth based on the other transmitted information. If this is factual, it would suggest the sub was ~terminal at the sound of the first alarm. Based on the depth when the alarm first went off, they were descending at about 45 (M/min). The reference to a decent at 35 (M/sec) suggests the thrusters slowed the descent rate some but they needed more. The use of thrusters, then blowing ballast followed by ditching the frame was only able to net an upwards rate of 6.5 (M/min) based on the last 2 transmissions where depth data was provided. It took them 1 hr 34 min to get to the alarm sounding depth and they used all means to surface within 18 min 21 sec time elapsed from the first RTM alarm to the last transmission. They were simply taking on far too much water than their ability to surface. I think the 2 knowledgeable staff on the sub knew they were terminal after blowing the ballast and for sure after dropping the frame and only seeing modest gains to reach the surface. They may have lived longer than the last transmission but lost electrical power and were unable to make any more transmissions. It must have been terrifying the last actual seconds/minutes.

[@JohnDoe-zl6qw]

And the Navy's sonar detection of an implosion at ~9:45 aligns pretty closely with their last transmission.

[@adotintheshark4848]

all their lights would have gone out, dying in pitch blackness.

[@swissmaid]

A nightmare come true! Shocking!

[@im1who84u]

Just something I remember from another "deep sea dive" from years ago. The vessel was ball shaped and had metal weights on the outside of it held there with electro magnets. These weights are what caused it to descend into the water among other things. The cool thing here is, IF they lost all power the electro magnets would no longer hold the weights to the vessel and it would automatically ascend at a predetermined speed.

[@ovni2295]

That sounds like a neat safety feature! I like the RSV Alvin's safety feature myself - the crew compartment is actually an escape pod, and it's the rear part of the submersible that weighs it down. If they jettison the escape pod, it goes up to the surface automatically because it doesn't weigh enough to stay down there.

[@waffle_burger8499]

That's a very cool and ingenious safety feature.

[@carlrossi7989]

@@waffle_burger8499 It is nothing new if you look at the design of the Trieste [first submersible to go to bottom of Challenger Deep in 1960] it used steel shot for ballast held in two hoppers. Shot was kept from escaping by electromagnets, which allowed it to be released slowly or if in case of electrical failure all at once.

[@CrackerSmith]

@@carlrossi7989 Then it's even sadder that something like this was not implemented on the Titan! :(

[@qarnos]

That would use an enormous amount of electricity though, so I doubt it's true. Electricity on these subs is a sacred resource, that's why they all descend under gravity with lights off.

[@Metal_Vault]

The most heart-wrenching aspect of all this was the young man that didn't want to take the ill-fated journey.

[@rondakamakahi3772]

Actually, he did want to go. His mom was supposed to be the one riding along with dad, but the young man showed interest and expressed that he really wanted to go. With her son's excitement and it being father's day, mom gave her ticket to him and told him to have fun. I believe it was his aunt that had come forward saying he never wanted to go, he just felt obligated to join because of fathers day. I later watched an interview with the mom and her story was completely different... Honestly, it doesn't matter if aunt was right by saying he didn't want to go or if mom was right by saying he did want to go. He went and it didn't end well. I'd love to say "this was a freak accident that NOBODY saw coming!" but that would be incorrect... He (Stockton Rush) was warned by multiple people on multiple separate occasions that his logic was flawed and nothing good could come from his glorified trash can sealed with duck tape and gorilla glue. Along with the red flags about the submersibles point of entry and needing to use a drill to insert in 11 screws even though there was 12 holes. When asked about why the 12th screw wasn't put in, he brushed it off with "well there's 11 there. 1 extra screw isn't going to make a difference. I take safety very seriously!" If he took safety seriously, he would have listened to EXPERTS. He would have everything checked/tested/certified. He would have listened when EXPERTS explained compromised structure with multiple materials. And the fact that he kept recruiting young adults because he wanted to be inspirational and prove that you don't have to be a white man in your 50s to be an expert. Yes, it's good to inspire the future generation and occasionally take some risks, but it's like he NEVER ONCE considered that maybe the reason middle aged are the only ones that are deemed experts is because IT TAKES YEARS TO STUDY!! Believe it or not, not all scientists are white. There are many, MANY highly successful scientists that don't have a drop of Caucasian... And the fact that Stockton Rush was a middle aged white man complaining that only middle aged white men go to dive down to the wreckage may possibly be the funniest hypocritical comment I've ever heard...

[@niblett6482]

@@rondakamakahi3772Such A Know It All

[@SaraT-x4q]

Yes he did he loved the thrill of it all

[@XanderBeckett1]

Exactly he was reluctant to go

[@rondakamakahi3772]

@@niblett6482 it's not a secret or difficult to read a couple articles that have been circulating or watching a couple videos about this that are still coming up with new details. I said he did want to go, not because I'm a know it all and love spending my time telling people they're wrong, but because the wife and mother of 2 of the victims that lost their lives wanted people to know how excited they were for this experience. I can't begin to imagine how she feels and the pain she's going to carry for a long time, but she didn't have a negative thing to say and finds solace in knowing how happy they were to the very end. I've read comments like "his mom knew he didn't want to go, but forced him anyway" and "why would you allow your child to do that?" and "Giving him permission to do that? she's the one that killed him.". Why continue to spread rumors or talk about something you don't know instead of fact checking or cross referencing to get to the truth. And no, I don't have too much time on my hands, I just got decent at multitasking and making time to ensure I learn something new ("you learn something new everyday and if you don't, you weren't paying attention"). 6wks ago I didn't know the difference between a submarine and a submersible, 45 seconds later, I did! All the other crap was added because of my ADHD squirrellous brain thinking "ooh, time for fun facts?! Hold my submersible game controller and stand back!" And before I know it, I'm working on the 6th installment of my million page essay and being called a know it all... I've been called way worse and not at all offended. Maybe more surprised than anything because I don't think that's one I've been called before... Kudos! I'm not surprised often! Probably because the whole know it all thing... Maybe you got a point, Little Giblet. Still... It takes one to know one. because I'm a 5yo know it all that has more pride for you than your mama does... we can swap if you'd like. My mom made me this way...😅

[@investigator77]

Thank you for making this understandable for the uneducated like me! I enjoy learning about this incident, but I am NOT scientifically or mathematically inclined. I have always been more artistic, but I realize the importance and the trauma to the families, and why this should never have been allowed to happen. Rich men can be reckless, but I feel sorry for the young man who went just to please his father. That is heartbreaking.

[@notaperson9831]

My dad called this from the beginning. He said that due to the “early warning system” they would have known at some point that the vessel was in critical danger. How much time between then and the implosion is impossible to know for sure but if these are legit transcripts then it seems that he was right. I can’t imagine that dread. He’s an aerospace engineer that has also worked on navy ships and my grandfather was a submariner. He called it as soon as the vessel was reported as missing. Also I mean, carbon fiber? Yeesh.

[@maurice5402]

​@TracchofyreWould seem like the logical progression 😂

[@notaperson9831]

@Tracchofyre no. A failure and a disappointment lol 🤷‍♀️ My other gpop was an Air Force pilot in WW2 tho

[@samuelpoulston2964]

@@notaperson9831 hey, i think you're worthwhile

[@dadillonful]

@Tracchofyrehe’s a 35 year old hardcore gamer that never leave his room

[@maryrivas631]

​😭😭 Oh I feel you

[@dwindeyer]

Condensed timeline of events from the transcript. 08:01AM Descent started - Target descent rate -25.3m/min 08:21AM 20min 756m -37.8m/min 08:51AM 50min 1934m -39.2m/min 09:17AM 76min 2960m -39.5m/min 09:28AM RTM Alert 09:28AM 87min 3433m -43.0m/min 09:28AM Upwards thrusters enabled 09:30AM 89min 3500m -33.5m/min 09:30AM Ballast released 09:35AM Frame jettisoned 09:38AM Crackling sound aft reported 09:42AM RTM Alert all red 09:43AM 102min 3476m +1.9m/min 09:46AM Power bus A failure 09:46AM 105min 3457m +6.3m/min 09:47AM Vessel implosion They expected to be ascending at approx. +25.32m/min after the ballast and frame was released but only achieved +6.3m/min which means they had -18.9m/min of buoyancy at that that moment compared to what they expected. By the 87min mark they were descending -17.7m/min faster than expected, so something was up from the start and no-one noticed the discrepancy. Top side did ask if they need to adjust velocity at 9:15AM so I think they suspected.

[@FlyingRifle]

Exactly, and this is nuts. From what I have read they briefed nearly constantly for days prior to the dive. You know they had target times and depths written down and committed to memory. The descent should have been halted when the first depth check was so far out of the envelope....DEFINATELY when subsequent debtch checks were out. That craft wasn't descending, it was sinking.

[@Danspy501st]

I would say the same. I had played Cold Water, and I knew I would have problems if I couldnt pump water out from a sector of the sub, where I knew it would effect my buoyancy. When I watched this video and read that they had released ballast and jettisoned the frame, and having a slow accent, then I knew something was effecting the the byoyancy. Something is feeling up. And out on how I remember the the sub was made, then I think I know where it could feel up and where it was cracking. I wish we could have something that tell us how much their pitch was

[@HeadlessZombY]

Man I was thinking this was probably fake but It'd be pretty wild for them to accidentally have a consistent 18 or so of missing buoyancy. Makes me think something hitched a ride. Could explain why they had trouble jettisoning the frame.

[@ConkerKing]

So it's likely if they'd started ascending at 3000m or when the first cracking noises happened they'd have probably survived..... instead it kept dropping.

[@Boskibro]

@@HeadlessZombYit was definitely fake. I don’t think they could jettison the frame and the frame has come up with significant damage as if it had been on it when it imploded. Easily fake

[@yojnna2088]

Every trip down the structural integrity was being degraded. It wasn't like "Maybe it will be damaged this trip." It is an inescapable fact that the carbon fiber hull had an expiration date. He was warned. He was stupid or suicidal.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

The carbon fiber he bought from Boeing was literally expired. According to Boeing, it was no longer suitable for use in aircraft, let alone submarines. Rush falsely claimed that several companies (including Boeing) were involved in the design and construction of his sub. He did this to build up his credibility among investors and the public. Boeing cleared that up later on with a statement that they had sold Rush the (expired) composite and that was it. They were not involved in any other way.

[@Kasumi_Tashi]

not only that the carbon fiber had an expiration date, apparently he used carbon fiber that was already expired just to save money

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Definitely ignorant.

[@duncanidaho2097]

@@Kasumi_Tashi-Sheer hubris, doing things his way, plus a dash of cutting corners to save $$. Watching the “technician” apply the adhesive to the titanium ring to attach the carbon fiber hull, without first roughing up the mating surface, using bare hands on the surface so as to contaminate it, was unbelievable. Dear God.

[@rayduck6300]

So was this a fake script? You should update the description. It doesn't seem to match the one that has been officially released.

[@halcyondaystunes]

Of course he won't. This is complete bs. The salvage guy called these channels out and this video should be taken down as none of it is true

[@lilyw.719]

Yeah, it was a fake transcript.

[@bsarmast]

That loud bang heard on the previous voyage is what should have stopped him on his tracks, but it didn't. The fast descent on the doomed journey right from the start shows that the sub was already compromised before going under. Dropping the ballast didn't slow down the descent, and dropping the frame just made them stand still. The crew on the ship didn't say anything about the fast descent, which is another fail. They just ignored every warning all down the line, like maniacs. The CEO knew how accurate the RTM was, and seeing all red for every sensor means that he knew he was seconds from death.

[@griminc6548]

Every dive the titan made passengers reported crackling sounds which clearly was the carbon fiber hull breaking down with every dive titan made until boom the hull imploded. The main reason they even put that noise monitoring system in the sub was due to the previous cracking noises. So the titan should have been retired after its first dive. Pretty messed up you could hear the cracking every dive it made and they kept using it. Stockton even said on video every deep dive sub makes noises.......no no they don't especially cracking noises you can hear with your naked ear. It was clearly the epoxy or glue in between the layers of carbon fiber breaking apart.

[@sebalutz]

Obviously the RTM was an untested system in this application in these depths. If all indicators are red they know that something is wrong (which is clear due to the cracking sounds).But they do not know that they are just seconds from implosion. Anyways a very scary situation.

[@Ancient53]

Well to be fair, the crew on the ship did exactly what they were hired to do. Ignore the problems and say nothing unless it’s exactly what Rush wanted to hear.

[@thorsrensen3162]

Perhaps the RTM system detects the sound of breaking carbon fibers and this cracking sound will happen for a short while before the hull eventually gives in. However strange noone was reating on the decending speed. They should know exact how fast it was supossed to be decend.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

What then would account for the increased weight and the ineffectiveness of dropping ballasts? How do you deduce there was already serious damage to the sub from it's initial high descent speed alone?

[@msumague]

It’s rather ironic that speed might have been a shared downfall for both the Titanic and the Titan submersible. Historians speculate that the Titanic was going too fast through dangerous waters, and according to this transcript, the Titan was also speeding. History repeats itself.

[@JTV84]

titanic had a fire in one of the coal bunkers since they set off from belfast. the only way to stop it was to shovel all of the coal out of that bunker as fast as possible. that's why they were going so fast.

[@GeoEstes]

@@JTV84 I didn't know that. Interesting.

[@tiggavideo]

There is a 1 hour long documentary about this. They discovered the material damage from recently found photos of the Titanic showing discoloration on the side.

[@Weird.Dreams]

@@JTV84 WRONG.😂

[@AdamSilverBurner]

@@JTV84source: trust me bro

[@bluestardust1365]

Robert Ballard (the one who discovered the Titanic) said there was no reason to send manned submersibles so deep. You can view everything just as good using unmanned craft.

[@DracoHandsome]

The reason is the experience. Even if you're sitting there looking at the cameras, it isn't the same effect as being down there seeing it. Unfortunately sometimes the experience includes being turned into meatberry jam by about 400 atmospheres of pressure.

[@Vousie]

Not so sure about that. You wouldn't be able to have a live video link, so how are you going to control it?

[@AlanRangel5]

@@Vousie I think if there was radio communication with the surface then should be a way to send video, I don't know if the speed would be enough, but internet by radio exists.

[@jonnydcash9765]

@@DracoHandsomethey were still going to be viewing it on a monitor even though it was right in front of them.

[@Cream_CurdlR]

@@DracoHandsome meatberry jam is a new one :D

[@rebelbelle62]

If this is not authentic, then who ever did it was really good. Because there is a lot of detail that fits, from the speech from top side, to answers from the sub, to the time that is registered with the conversation. And the types of questions asked and answered, how would an outsider know details about the inner workings of the sub to even lay out that kind of language in the form of questions or answers?The devil's in the details. Also consider when the Navy heard the implosion and the time it happened .I hope I'm wording it so that my meaning is clear. An expert would know better then I do for sure. But as for me, I do think it's probably genuine. And I think someone from the topside released it , as you suggested in your video, or it could have been leaked so the truth about what was going on would be known, and no one could hush it up, and spin the narrative they wanted . Just a thought. Imo

[@suivzmoi]

James Cameron's words pretty much corroborate everything from this leaked document. he was the first person to publicly say that he heard that Titan had aborted descent and jettisoned ballasts and that he found this out the night after Titan was reported missing, which is several days before the Titan debris was finally found. nobody else who talked to the public mentioned the Titan aborting descent. based on what he said we can tell that the entire deepdiving community also knew about it, because that was the circle in which he got the information. that community knew on day one of the missing report that Titan and the crew were already dead. that early information is only now being revealed to the rest of the world via this leak.

[@jeffostroff]

If this is a fake it's one of the toughest fakes in history to tell whether it is authentic or not.

[@sewistnotsewer]

​@jeffostroff The fact the CG hasn't dismissed it as a fake is also a sign that it's likely real. Cameron was likely sent the transcript during those first hours when the topside crew was reaching out to others in the "sub community" for help diagnosing what to do.

[@GiannaH-r7h]

Of course it marries up with what James Cameron said, to seem authentic. but Cameron's comments have been in the public domain for weeks. What makes you think a faker wouldn't base this on reports like Cameron's?

[@gyrthez246]

@@GiannaH-r7h For a faker to do that it means the faker would have done their research fairly carefully since they would have had to have either been aware of James' credentials, meaning they would have also done the bare minimum of calculating the speed at which the sub would be descending.

[@gw6667]

It's almost like if you were going to fabricate a comms log from his reporting this is exactly what you'd get. Cameron's comments are relatively well-known so I wouldn't say this matching his storyline says much. I'm more surprised we haven't gotten word from the media about "leaked logs" coming to light considering how popular this event is/was. Say what you want about the media, but they can get reliable inside info surprisingly well.

[@conservovirtus5796]

I used to work for a small aviation company that had operations ongoing around the globe. We would hear about things that happened on the other side of the planet almost immediately. People on those operations would be texting their buddies on other operations. There's nothing implausible about someone sharing info with others "in the community" within minutes. It's frankly hard for me to imagine information not being shared in such a scenario. Particularly today, when all it takes is a cel phone and about five seconds, to take a picture of a computer monitor (chat log). If it's fake they did a pretty good job.

[@skwydzee2716]

It's 100% fake are you kidding me? Based on all the science we've been presented with on how fast an imposion would happen on such a frail vessel - you really think they had time to send a text as it was actively cracking?

[@MatthewGraham-pu5di]

But they work on the surface, where the chat was copied.

[@qnwh9353]

Good for investigations.

[@L_Pants]

They used code to communicate with the support ship, but full fledged sentences. The fake transcript been edited and recirculated every time sleuths point out why it’s fake af.

[@Bullwinkle39]

​​@tripplefives1402satellites are a thing. Starlink is another thing

[@rpurdy4821]

Stockton was way too cavalier with other people's lives. I mostly feel sorry for the 19 year old young man who didn't really want to go. His last 20 minutes of his life must have been sheer terror! I would imagine he was clinging onto his father for dear life telling him he loves him. Poor kid...

[@MidnightMajesty]

he wanted to go so he could make a video solving a rubik's cube at the underwater graveyard ..... er Titanic. his mom confirmed he was not scared, just tryin to get internet famous

[@jenniferblanchard4856]

He actually took the seat his mother was going to use. Turns out the info that he didn't want to go came from his estranged aunt. His mother gave him her seat because she said he really did want to go. I don't know.

[@presspound7358]

@@MidnightMajestyHe did in fact get internet fame …. as a victim caught up in an avoidable tragedy.

[@wreckinbal]

I bet he was screaming at his dad, “why the hell did you let me get on this death trap!”

[@iqra9620]

So they had 20 minutes notification that something was wrong .Hope the other 4 had plenty of time to punch Stockton on the nose or break his neck.

[@if6was929]

The most upsetting thing to think about (and I try not to) is, during the final minutes, when Stockton Rush couldn't hide his panic, when Paul-Henri Nargeolet and Hamish Harding were frantically trying to assist Rush, Shahzada and Suleman Dawood, father and son, looking at each other, one knowing he failed to keep his son safe, seeing the fear on his son Suleman's face, the other, looking to his father for help and comfort but seeing only anxiety and dread. It had to be a nightmare.

[@coldcanuck6091]

From the few statements and videos of Mr. Rush, it makes sense that he chose to ignore the potential effects of fatigue from numerous pressure cycles. He was clearly a man who was comfortable in his own ego and ignorance. History has always shown that those who take risks, tend to make the bigger advances, but there is a fine line between innovation and blind ignorance. It seems that Mr. Rush chose to go from crawling to running and bypassed the act of walking, and paid the price.

[@steveowens913]

Bypassed the act of walking...likely, really well stated. Really makes no sense why they would be going down too quickly...however, obviously was in too much of a hurry to do things right, so there's consistency there...

[@nathanchung27]

Very well said. History only repeats itself.

[@dastanjan320]

who is happy they live on land right now?

[@roberto9094]

@@steveowens913 It makes the perfect sense as to why the descended quickly, He was once again trying to be different and get to the shipwreck in a shorter time span that before while trying to do it successfully. Ultimately he ended up like his name and rushed through it all and rushed to his demise while taking others with him.

[@JaseekaRawr]

Too much money & not enough sense.

[@AlanDPhd]

The safest design is a sphere when you are taking a submersible with people to that depth. A round vessel distributes the pressure evenly and reinforces itself to a high degree. That is why virtually deep-diving submersibles have the passenger compartment as a round vessel. Constructing a deep dive sub of carbon fiber and into a tube was inviting failure and gluing the titanium end caps on simply added another level of lunacy since the carbon fiber and titanium will expand and contract at different rates causing failure of the glue joints over time and repeated dives. The fact that no adhesive nor carbon fiber is shown in any of the photographs of the recovered materials simply reinforces what I am saying. You cannot connect dissimilar materials in that way and expect them to react in any other manner.

[@-Jason-L]

James Cameron's deepest dive ever was in a tube though, according to pics

[@JurassicTrance]

@@-Jason-L no it wasn't, if you watch the documentary, you'll see that the passenger compartment was made of a steel sphere.

[@patrickrannou1278]

A sphere is stronger than a cylinder OF THE SAME RADIUS. However, a smaller radius but longer cylinder, with the ends capped with half-spheres, will definitely be stronger than a sphere of the same total volume (sphere which thus has to have a bigger radius to accomodate that same constant total volume). The smaller the radius, the stronger it is. Of course at some point of length (keeping the total volume constant), you get stronger and stronger perpendicular amount of shearing or twisting forces along the length of tghe cylinder, so there is definitely a point of diminishing returns somewhere. For an extreme example, a "sub"' one inch wide, but 1000 feet long, wouldn't be very sturdy at all and not much would snap it. I'd think nless utterly stupid they'd have at least ran a few computer models and simulations first to determine the best shape to use to build the sub in the first place. The problem is that the epoxy resin was just not such a good material in the first place. And saying they were submersible certified, when they weren't, is clearly extremely criminal.

[@tiffanyanderson9437]

Gluing the titanium caps? Descending too quickly in an uncertified homemade submersible? Using a game controller to steer? The CEO was on another level of nitrogen narcosis.

[@MiriamLedbetter]

The Titanic director explained that carbon fiber composite - the make of the Titan - is used very very successfully for internal pressure, for vessels like say, a scuba tank. But for something that sees external pressure, all of the advantages of carbon composites go away and all the disadvantages come into play, he said. “It was the wrong material for submersible hulls. You can have a number of successful dives and fail later. It is quite insidious,” Cameron said in the interview.

[@xmackc1100]

Yes, that's what I assumed based on limited experience, but I haven't seen anyone really discussing that. The advantage in strength for carbon fiber materials comes from the tension capability of the carbon fibers. With external pressure the shell is in compression and the carbon fibers lose their benefit and it is the resin that handles the compression. If you stress it to high levels repeatedly, it has the potential to crack and then it's strength in compression is gone.

[@lc3853]

People don't listen to engineers predicting failure, but even here, they will rush to repeat the materials "expertise" of a film director.

[@benargee]

​​​@@lc3853 takeaway is that it doesn't take an engineer to understand how bad of an idea it was. I bet James Cameron was just repeating warnings from engineers or had read documents on how poorly carbon fiber is in compression. James Cameron then seemed to make the right call to pick the right material for the application. If I was to ever challenge the expertise of an engineer, I wouldn't put anyone's life at risk in doing so. I would only ever question a single engineer. The difference is he was warned by multiple engineers and submersible experts and still pushed forward. It's possible carbon based submersible hauls could be viable, but not carbon fiber and not the way it was wrapped. Also, James Cameron is more than just a film director in this case. His accomplishments with his submersible is more significant than just for the sake of filming. He did it right and is clearly well received by the submersible community.

[@bozhidardimitrov3573]

​@@lc3853a film director that has visited the damn titanic multiple times without actually dying? internet brains man...

[@blktarockstar818]

@@lc3853 a film director who has completed 33 dives to the titanic. He isn't just some random sharing his opinion

[@Seangamesrfx]

Imagine the young kid in there, how he was feeling, absolutely disgraceful

[@ElevatingSETexas2025]

According to his mom, he actually wanted to go. He also brought a Rubik’s cube to break a World Record while down there.

[@JamesCarmichael]

I imagine 19 minutes would seem like an eternity in that situation. I feel sick just thinking about it. I was locked in a storage room once without my radio communicator. I remember just pacing for about 10 minutes completely okay and then the sudden realization that I'm on the Night Watch in a Hotel, it's 10:30pm and 95% of the staff have gone home crept in like a knife.

[@-cosmicrogue-]

How did you get out?

[@Deathworg1]

Yeah how did you get out?

[@tylerchambers6246]

@@Deathworg1 He didn't, he's still in there. Luckily he could connect to wifi from inside the storage closet.

[@JamesCarmichael]

@@-cosmicrogue- I was banging the door and shouting and one of the patrons heard it, called recepetion and they came and found out. Maintainence took the handle off the door (which should usually open both ways) without telling me so I could pull the door open from the outside, but had no way of opening it from the inside as it was a fire door. I was in there for 34 minutes, but it felt like a lifetime when the panic set in and I realized it would've been 6am when the morning staff would have come in.

[@cedrienenglish6344]

@@tylerchambers6246😂😂😂

[@darwinharmon8341]

Knowing how the owner was not super concerned with safety regulations I have to imagine after having completed a few successful dives he grew comfortable and went too fast

[@mr0x1]

wanted to put on a show for the high profile guests

[@lexmarks567]

@@mr0x1 his ego probably got bruised by all the negative press from the fired engineer so he wanted to prove that the sub was safe so he got reckless and careless cause he had a chip on his shoulder.

[@solidtoto]

He was an arrogant prick and got what he deserved, too bad he had to take innocents down with him...

[@kevinh5349]

I've been on small planes before when I'd say to myself that the pilot didn't want to die any more than I did, so if he was going up, I could too. Here is a situation where the pilot (and builder and owner and advocate) didn't know what he was doing and was more of a cheerleader than a level headed scientist.

[@RWBHere]

The guy was cavalier with safety protocols and standards. The biggest shame is that he took four other people with him.

[@Miami7]

If so, how was the sub design ever approved and allowed to go forward? I don't think so on the pilot error being suicides. Maybe a couple of them were but in many cases a determination was made that either a poor design, wrong bolt, forgetfulness (pitons), or software error were responsible. Also some of them could have been planned because of who may have been onboard. I'd like to know why the Malaysian gov't isn't pursuing finding the MH370 wreckage. They have a very plausible (maybe 90%) lead to examine, but won't. Why?

[@MarkG-h2y]

Many small plane crashes are labelled "pilot error" when in fact there was mechanical malfunction due to design issues. The airplane manufacturers are powerful and the NTSB will only push back hard with large airliners.

[@Miami7]

@@MarkG-h2y Yes, absolutely. Small planes don't have the rigid requirements for maintenance and safety that commercial carriers have. I personally knew a crash victim who survived. Why did the plane go down? Because it was way overloaded. Sad.

[@justicewaits6227]

@ConwayTwitter Why would this be remembered in 100 years? I think it will all be forgotten in 10 years.

[@thabzmad7265]

Back here after the real official itranscript.... 🙄

[@brianmcgauley2664]

Remember that the ballast and the frame were what kept this tube oriented relatively level. Dropping ballast, with the frame still under the tube probably kept the tube level, since that had done a few other dives successfully. HOWEVER, one the frame was jettisoned - in a last-ditch effort to achieve buoyancy - without that weight under the tube, the tube could have easily rolled about its long axis, creating a topsy-turvey world inside, adding to the disorientation, confusion and panic. They could have been falling all over each other.

[@donnieb390]

yikes. I did not think of this. This makes it SOOOO MUCH WORSE

[@indrapratama7668]

A deep sea hamster wheel. Genius.🤦

[@Casualfield]

I believe it. An easy over sight for sure. What a disaster.

[@piccalillipit9211]

AND THAT is why you dont use a PlayStation controller that can be easily broken when the sub rolls

[@YogurtSnipe]

7:48 What you said makes sense but according to the (maybe real transcript) they would have gone to one side to take it off. According to it they did that successfully since there was no mention of anything catastrophic like this. So this probably didn’t happen but if the sub had water it probably was leaning backwards.

[@stuartthornton3027]

The very first appearance of James Cameron talking to media, he said the surface knew they had a problem and were trying to effect an emergency acent when contact was lost. I haven't heard that information repeated since. I wouldn't be surprised if the transcript was genuine, it certainly ties up with what Cameron said.

[@timsmith2525]

How would he know?

[@MrP-kw3lf]

@@timsmith2525 Doesn't take too much imagination. Hey, you've dived down to the Titanic like 30 times, and dove to the bottom of the Marianas Challenger Deep (3x deeper than Titanic), mind checking this transcript out and telling us what happened?

[@DS-ev4xb]

Or someone could have heard this, just as you did - and manufactured a fake transcript, based on those details.

[@gamerdrive5565]

@@timsmith2525what Stockton was doing (diving to titanic) is a pretty big deal to a fairly small community of submariners, a community that we’re all aware of Stockton being ignorant and the titan not up to the task. They were all probably watching and waiting for this to happen, James has said he has contacts on the mission.

[@MrP-kw3lf]

@@DS-ev4xb Definitely possible. But I was replying to the comment that seemed mystified at how Cameron could get early access to such a transcript.

[@stephensavic9779]

The fact that the hull was made out out of a carbon fiber and was immersed in salty cold sea water more than once without a any kind of hull integrity tests is a criminal act. Either the carbon fiber which while being strong also is brittle. The adhesive that binds the fiber could have been dissolving letting water seep into the fibers and increasing the weight of the submersible. That's why their decent was so fast and why the attempt to reach the surface was so slow. Eventually the water logged fiber could no longer resist the pressure and it imploded.

[@imeprezime1285]

Lol

[@Suriprofz]

Yeah it's crazy, just common knowledge to not use carbon fiber

[@j81851]

One has to wonder why earlier in the life of the Titan it was determined the hull had defects after a couple dives then replaced or significantly repaired. Yet this dive was one of several to various depths and I believe at least 1 or more to Titanic a couple years later! Why. did they not have functional history this model and configuration was prone to failure given the use and service? Why did Rush push the envelope knowing there was tendency toward failure? So maddening

[@buckmurdock2500]

Would it have been okay in fresh warm lake water? The rest is speculation.

[@SharpElbows123]

why use glue, when you can knit the carbon fibre interwovenly like how nylon or polyester is made?

[@DreamBelief]

This was proven to be completely fake

[@awildharber6292]

What is your source for that statement? We're all interested in the truth.

[@Liberty_or_Ded]

What I find astonishing is that Topside was like "Oh you're descending twice the speed you should be? Excellent! Fantastic! Superb! Glorious! Beautiful! Stellar! Amazing! Heartwarming! Inspiring! Happy crew!" Nobody was like "You're going too fast. Slow descent."

[@Random1208]

Because the reply would've been "report to HR." The CEO was a living cautionary tale against hubris.

[@carrisasteveinnes1596]

In this outfit, it seems if you are a fifty year old white guy, or speak up, you get fired. Just like the engineering director who got fired for voicing his safety concerns. Looky here, the guy who got fired, and who could have prevented this fiasco, was a fifty year old white guy, with decades of submarine and engineering experience. Who'd have thunk it? Weird. Still, diversity is our strength, right?

[@lexmarks567]

Cause that would have been a pink slip. If you show free will he fires you.

[@Ardepark]

Maybe this is an indication that it’s a fake transcript

[@jackclark1994]

@@Ardepark From all accounts I've heard, this is exactly what he would do. the faster he got down there the better, like a kid going to get ice cream.

[@alexanderbanman9288]

I think the crackling sound was the carbon fiber slowly being penetrated by water. Remember that the hull is made of layers of carbon fiber. As water found a crack and worked its way in, I think you would hear that crackling sound as the water forced apart the sheets of carbon fiber, essentially slowly ripping them apart. When a critical point was reached, the carbon fiber hull imploded basically instantly. I'm sure Stockton Rush knew exactly what that sound was when he heard it. That's so scary.

[@timverrecchia1654]

this transcript is proven fake meaning there was no battle for 20 minuets or any attempt at successful resurfacing, the accepted theory is that it suddenly lost thrust and “Without thrust, the weight of the passengers and the pilot (about 400 kilograms), which was focused on the front end close to the view port, would have disrupted the Titan’s longitudinal stability,” No one can confirm at what depth the malfunction happened but then the submersible begins to fall headlong towards the seafloor, and with control and safety functions damaged, it can no longer be maneuvered. ​“The Titan changes position and falls like an arrow vertically because the 400 kilos (880 pounds) of passengers that were at the porthole unbalance the submersible “Everyone rushes and crowds on top of each other. Imagine the horror, the fear, and the agony. It had to be like a horror movie,” added the expert, who believes that everything happened during 48 to 71 seconds of free fall. ​ “As it fell to the depths of the ocean, the hull would have been subjected to a sudden increase in underwater pressure” - leading to a “powerful compression” of the sub’s carbon-fiber hull at a depth of around 9,000 feet, so even if they heard the cracking frankly they already knew they where gonna die and had some time to think about it whilst they where all crammed together at the porthole as the sub fell rapidly.

[@hwplugburz]

The sound of the water delaminating the composite-hull at that pressure must have been extremly loud too... (just imagine beeing inside something beeing ripped apart like that..)

[@monad_tcp]

@@hwplugburz should have used titanium.

[@susul2843]

So I guess my question is, why choose carbon fiber in the first place when perfectly accept materials were available? Is there something I'm missing? Cost?

[@Cream_CurdlR]

@@susul2843 cost

[@nunya3163]

There have been multiple reports indicating that the support vessel waited 8 hours, before calling for search and rescue assistance. I find it difficult to believe that there would be such a delay, if they had in fact received such dire messages prior to losing communications. Then again, with the manner in which this company was run, even that may be plausible.

[@CalmClamFam]

They had lost communications with the sub multiple times before so they probably thought this was the case. At that slow rate they’ve been ascending, it would’ve taken them about 8 hours to reach the surface. It makes sense that the support vessel to wait that long before calling it.

[@Wayner71]

Maybe the crew topside were afraid of initiating a rescue mission out of fear of Rush. If they had done so and the Titan did surface he might have fired them.

[@nunya3163]

@@Wayner71 That is very plausible, as he clearly did not instill a safety first mindset with the crew.

[@nunya3163]

@@CalmClamFam Yes, but in the case, they had comms indicating an emergency. Then again, they may simply have figured that they likely are dead, and decided to wait the 8 hours, just in case they survived.

[@ryans413]

Agreed I would have called right after not hearing from the sub once the 15 minute check in expired

[@randomtask99]

You analysis makes perfect sense. If the aft section was taking on water that would explain the higher rate of descent, failing batteries, very slow ascent and then hull failure. The crews arrogance was continuing with a higher than normal rate of descent.

[@mikeall7012]

One of the spec sheets floating around says the vessel max descent vocity was about 50m per min. So this was probably normal for them. The issue is that the pressure rating and cycle fatigue of the haul was based on voodoo and not testing or accurate finite element analysis. I don't think it mattered what speed they were descending at, this vessel was doomed for a cycle fatigue failure from the minute it was conceived.

[@triptank7857]

Facts

[@terrymichael5821]

I Agree, since no Life Cycle Fatigue Testing was done, there was no acceptable safety margin for its allowable life of all those intense compressions/decompressions.

[@dvaritek434]

Agreed. But the slower you go, in general the failure may occur in shallower water and may have given them more time to try to get higher to reduce the pressure on the hull.

[@ChrisSudlik]

I don't know an FEA I would trust to accurately predict the properties of a composite material at those pressure levels. What's built into solidworks, for example, starts giving absurd answers and errors when you start pushing forces to such absurd levels and doesn't really do composites. I think there's a couple software attempts to handle this but certainly none I'd trust without actual testing.

[@dvaritek434]

@@ChrisSudlik Pretty sure they just averaged everything, carbon fiber, epoxy and weave direction into a monolithic material with yield strength x psi and ran the FEA. The craziest thing is inheard they didnt even autoclave the assembly. There are ALWAYS voids and bubbles in the epoxy when making a layup like this, you HAVE to vaccum them out. Plus without temperature control how do they know they even got the optimum epoxy strength? I interned at a place that made helicopter blades out of carbon fiber. Autoclaves definitely exist to handle something of this size. The craziest thing is that the epoxy is not meant to bear the load, just the fiber. But external hoop stress puts all the fiber in compression, no matter how you weave it. Who has ever heard of a fiber that was good in compression?? On top of that you have two titanium endcaps that are bolted on. There is no way carbon hull and the caps deformed the same amount.

[@Ember2168]

It makes you realize despite their deaths happening instantly. They still suffered horribly in panic at the very end, realizing they were in deep trouble and hearing the cracking in the aft. It would make sense they were unable to ascend if water began leaking in the aft, even if its a tiny opening, shorting the batteries and adding weight to the sub, making it impossible to ascend and explaining the crackling sounds. Once the breach got slightly worse it caused the entire imploding of the sub.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

Well it wasn't instant they spent nearly 20 minutes in complete terror, lol.

[@MrGrumpyGills]

@@justicedemocrat9357 The death itself was instant, meaning they didn't feel anything when the submersible imploded.

[@ibaaraadrian52]

It was like 3 milliseconds the implosion it’s about 15 milliseconds to blink

[@redflipper992]

lol!

[@Sfcfan120]

Well I doubt it seeing as this is fake

[@timbrwolf1121]

The implication in the question by the control ship "Do you need to adjust velocity?" The control team was aware the sub was descending too fast

[@Vmurph]

And yet, instead of coming right out and SAYING exactly that to him, Stockton Rush had made everyone involved so afraid to disagree with him (for fear of being fired) that the support team worded it as a question, asking him *IF* he needed to adjust velocity. If he hadn’t replaced all the level headed people with “yes men” they would’ve told him straight out that they needed to adjust their velocity right at the beginning, when they were still close enough to the surface to be saved.

[@GenoSalvati]

Some say he didn't like getting discouraging messages from the surface ship. Yes men'd to death,

[@Barb4sale]

What are you gonna do when your boss is down there telling you it's fine.. And he has a history already of firing whistle blowers... yikers

[@luke_skywanker7643]

@@Vmurph That's what the a-holes who crash companies always do. I've worked for a few of them. When you see one of them 'moving up' in your company, it's always good to keep your resume up to date!

[@Baalaaxa]

@@Barb4sale I'm telling my boss the truth and what I think. If he disagrees, that's okay. If he needs to shoot the messenger, and fire me because the truth hurts, then that's his problem. At least I won't have the deaths of five people on my conscience. I'd rather not work for companies and leaders like that in any case.

[@Margaret-h3n]

Another excellent report, you are one of the best. Yes, I'll keep watching to see what you have next to share.❤

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

The transcript is legit! Best video on this so far! The aggressive descent would allow more bottom time but increased the rate of change on hull stress. The sub lost the A bus, but even after shedding ballast and frame it needed DC power to provide ascent thrust. The implosion did not necessarily occur at 9:47 9:47 is when B bus was gone and all Comm is lost at the same time. Without thrust, the sub would have been in eventual freefall descent and exponentially increasing hull stress on an already compromised vehicle. The implosion could have occurred in complete dark silence several minutes after loss of A and B and everyone having to listen to the creaking noises knowing full well you’re dead and knowing that just like the Titanic, you’re headed for the floor. This should be a perfect object lesson to people everywhere yo think about what sun, airplane or fast car you’re strapping in to and who you’re with.

[@HentaiSpirit]

That is a lot more terrifying, yo

[@LucasFSPimenta]

I'm sorry, i still don't know much about subs, so... What is the bus? Electrical storage?

[@trader2137]

@@LucasFSPimenta i think auxiliary power switch from a different battery

[@Vousie]

Still... The fact that the sub needed any thrust to ascend after they had dropped the ballast and the frame is a problem - either something had happened to the sub to make it heavier, or there was an ocean current as someone else has mentioned, or this was just another part of the bad engineering of this sub.

[@MouseGoat]

I mean at least they got a first class front vew experience of how it must have been for some last few gust trapped in the Titanic. :( why did anyone let this disaster of sub be allowed to be used. what was wrong with that guy cutting down on all the stuff using freaking game controls instead of custom build equipment. I would never go into something that shady. Also it interesting how hubris was the Doom of Titanic, so hubris claims yet more lifes

[@ZioStalin]

If the transcript is authentic, my guess is that it's not the first time they accelerated the descent in order to have more time on the bottom, they seem very confident and nobody says anything about the excessive diving speed neither from the sub nor from the ship.

[@KarlaO1986]

Dude was pretty reckless. He probably thought it was great until it wasn't.

[@rangerclark6640]

That or the flaw in the hulk was leaking from the early get go and made them descent faster ultimately leading to a implosion.

[@ZioStalin]

@@rangerclark6640 No. As I clearly said, if that was the case someone would have noticed that the descent rate was way faster than it should have been. The fact that nobody said anything about the descent rate being to fast points to that being routine.​

[@jillsy2815]

@@rangerclark6640good point!!

[@astphaire]

@@ZioStalin I'm not convinced the descent rate would be linear. Wouldn't it make sense to descend "more quickly" with respect to the linear descent rate since 1. the water is at less pressure up above and would likely provide less resistance, and 2. you'd likely spend a few minutes of the 2.5 hour descent going REALLY slow towards the end, like a lunar lander. Makes me question the authenticity of this transcript, too.

[@guymerritt4860]

In one interview on CBS (ABC?) which I downloaded, James Cameron said that when this disaster occurred the crew was performing an "emergency ascent". Cameron only said this in one interview but he's a serious guy who would not go on CBS (or ABC - it was one of those) and simply say something like that if he didn't have some info from someone - he wouldn't say something that specific if, somehow, he didn't have this on good authority. In fact I found it interesting that he said it once and never said it again - I just sense that he know whereof he was speaking and then considered it was privileged information and stayed away from those details subsequently. Anyway, this is broadly consistent with Cameron's remark. Therefore, I would not be surprised if this is a real transcript. We should all avoid experimental, unregistered submarines/submersibles, anyway. Sad stuff.

[@dawnvanderende7584]

I agree!

[@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz]

I recall thinking the same when I hear JC say that. How did he know that? As stated, the submersible community is a small one. I would not be surprised if he was provided the transcripts from the ship before the alert to S&R and asked what he thought based on his extensive experience. It was then he knew already it was too late. This transcript seems to mimic that, though someone could have made it up based on the same reports we heard about and what JC said.

[@thelimey351]

Yes, this is true, I watched the interview where James Cameron said that it was unofficial but he had it on good authority that they had already dropped ballast & were ascending, he said that they knew there was a problem & had probably heard the cracking ofthe hull - but it was frustrating because this aspect of the disaster wasn't generally discussed after that.

[@guymerritt4860]

@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz Yeah, people could have cooked this up but there's not much to gain from just inventing this kinda thing. But, sure, anything is possible.

[@guymerritt4860]

@@thelimey351 Yep. It was kind of odd, to me, that he said once and never mentioned it again. I suspect he knew and just kinda decided not to go there, again. But I cannot see James Cameron just 'spouting off" or something - I think he absolutely knew or would not have made that remark.

[@kentslocum]

So do we now know if this was authentic? The only information I can find online is that communication was long about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the dive.

[@BonitaDean-o1e]

The guy that got fired for telling them how unsafe this vessel was is finally being proven to be right! So sad no one listened to him! Those poor souls! RIP

[@hoyinwong]

Engineers for Morton Thiokol, the manufacturer of the Space Shuttle's solid rocket booster engines, told NASA NOT to launch Shuttle Challenger in the cold weather as the O-rings might be compromised. NASA wanted to stay on schedule, so they disagreed with Morton's engineers, and the launch went on. Watching the ignition sequence and lift-off on TV, the Morton folks were relieved as Challenger climbed out, seemingly okay. We all know what happened a few seconds later. Why organizations hire and pay engineers for their expertise, knowledge, and advice, and then choose to ignore it, is incomprehensible.

[@TucsonDude]

Yeah, but there's always naysayers in projects. I install large A/C units and even then, someone is saying that's not big enough.

[@markjaywest]

so he didn't listen to his expert engineer and fired him then most probably hired another that agreed with him . He knew that it was unsafe but just wanted to make money from the dives, not gonna spend that money now is he, its a shame he wasn't alone and he took 4 others with him. Maybe next time someone makes a vessle to dive to those depths they test it by themselves at those depths first.

[@SyntheticSpy]

@@TucsonDudeyes, but an A/C is not an immediate death sentence when it fails. In a situation like this if there is doubt in a system you’d better do the work to prove unquestionably that it is indeed fit for the job

[@SaraT-x4q]

He is working in Burger King now.

[@beszt95]

That must have been the most terrifying and helpless 20 minutes imaginable, knowing there is no way out and you're 100% relying on this failing machinery for your life. great vid!

[@vicvega3614]

Those passengers went through hell, everyone saying oh they didnt know anything was wrong is complete horseshit. Imagine that 19 year old kid down there, dam

[@tech5298]

A ship of fools

[@SueMyChin]

The transcript is BS.

[@lizvtaz6]

When I read the "I switched to B. More sounds" part I did for the first time feel sorry for Stockton Rush. I did not feel sorry for him before.

[@JuneKovac]

I feel so sorry for these unfortunate souls. RIP

[@ajroberts3371]

Here’s a summary I found of what happened based on the transcript (assuming it is real): 1. Water works it's way into the voids in the carbon fiber. They had sprayed the exterior of the CF wrap with Rhino Liner used in truck beds. If that outer shell breached that would let water in which could in turn fill cracks and voids in the CF hull. 2. That water ingress added weight which accelerated their decent, making pressure on the hull (already damaged) build faster than expected. 3. They try and slow decent but now they're heavy and dropping ballast isn't enough. They decide to go nuclear and drop the landing frame off the bottom. 4. Something goes wrong and they can't immediately drop the frame, meaning they continue to descend even deeper. When they finally get it free they're only rising at 25% the rate they expect. 5. It's too late, and the hull fails by the rear mounting ring and sub implodes. 6. The support ship factors in that 25% ascent rate and waits 8 hours before calling for help, hoping the electrical system failed and they're still slowly rising.

[@benburch3250]

Concur with all point except they might not have had water ingress if the hull was being compressed. That could reduce buoyancy rather a lot. I can imagine failure of the end cap attachment in which the fiber yields and buckles locally in the retaining ring, and you lose several inches of hull length. Deformation would also explain the difficulty dropping the landing frame.

[@dwaynebrietzke]

Also explains why the recovered landing frame was undamaged if it was dropped before the implosion.

[@wwz1011]

I think you nailed it. They had water intrusion into the AFT, which sped up their descent. They should have noticed speed and aborted on the down much earlier. With that intrusion, the ascent was way too slow. 20 minutes in terror.....

[@flybywire5866]

I wonder if dropping the landing frame was difficult because the craft was already deformed. 6. Good explanation for the delay!

[@howitusedtobe]

yea … water ingress ? where ? The only points that could really have any ingress without it being visibly obvious is where the end rings mate to the pressure hull. There isn’t enough room anywhere there to have that drastic a weight change. There isn’t any way you wouldn’t notice the amount of water it would take to cause that rapid a decent coming into the vessel. The pressure hull buckled or the adhesive used to affix the end rings was squeezed over multiple dives causing its most likely brittle cured state to cause the ring to “come unglued” as it were

[@ShesGotALiftedChevy]

I think the "real news having not mentioned something yet" in this day & age definitely does not mean that something not legitimate. Lol Great vid! 🎉

[@wileylawrence9298]

Listening to you read this is nerve wrecking and gives me anxiety. I hope the rest of the crew didn’t realize what was going on and died a quick and painless death. But to imagine that they all knew death was near in such a tight area with no escape is very sad

[@JH-ce7yd]

One thing is certain. They didn't suffer when it imploded, which only took about a millisecond. Far too fast to even have a pain response.

[@bitkahuna]

the rest of the crew? unless awareness of what was happening was tightly controlled to 1 or 2 people, i've no doubt everyone on board knew. even if not everyone knew everything, i've no doubt the anxiety in everyone was through the roof. tragic.

[@thekaiser4333]

It is fake.

[@commiesnzombies]

when the movie is made they should cast ben affleck as a passenger, in every movie he is in there is always one scene of him telling people " calm down"

[@bigbadvoodooMAGAdaddy]

​@@thekaiser4333source? This is rather skilled engineering data that paints a very clear picture, if correct, one can extrapolate that the rapid descent either shaved a hole or there was a design flaw on the carbon fibers that already contained a hole that had been sleeping the entire time filling the packing layer with water which in turn damaged or dampened the resonance sensors and the frame release mechanisms and accounts for the extra weight that caused the rapid descent and also slowed their ascent to crawl because they lost buoyancy. Not just anyone can make up data like this, it would take skill and knowledge.

[@Chris-hx3om]

For 30 years I was an ROV pilot. First thought at 'sub descending too fast' was some form of leak very early on. That would flood a compartment without causing an implosion (saw that happen a lot on ROVs). That flooding could have lead to false readings on the sensors, and possibly so electrical shorting. But ultimately lead to the complete failure of the submersible.

[@kobiecamp1134]

Not questioning anything you said. But since you seem to have such a understanding on this matter answer this: do you think the possible flooding of water added that extra weight which caused the submersible to descend faster, and later caused the implosion?

[@DCGuava]

@@kobiecamp1134replying because I would like to know his reply as well

[@kobiecamp1134]

I see similarities between water, and air. In which I also see similarities between objects rising & floating in the air, and objects floating(on water), and rising back to the surface. Because it takes thinner air than the air in the atmosphere to make a balloon rise. Just like a submarine has to release water, and replace it with air in order to rise. So when I think about the Titan submersible I'm picturing a balloon(filled with air) that has just been punctured by a pen, and taking off with extreme speed. But I do realize there's great differences in the reactions(as far as a balloon releasing air, and a submersible being flooded), but still this was worth noting.

[@BluesofButterfly]

I'm no expert in physics or engineering, but from common sense I thought the same too but after hearing they were not only descending fast but also very slow to ascent. It's probably the only reasonable explanation if it is truly the transcript.

[@kobiecamp1134]

@@BluesofButterfly Those transcripts either have to be authentic, or written by someone who has a strong understanding of communication between submersibles, and their support.

[@oldgeezerproductions]

I was a space booster assembly and test engineer and although I never experienced a mission failure due to my crew's work or mine, I was well aware that failures are always at the end of long strings of juxtaposed events improbable in each case. It is clear to me that there were several failures and several indications that things were "out of tolerance" or at least "out of family" which would have caused an immediate halt to testing or launch. That they let anomalies go on for so long without aborting just amazes me and makes me shake my head. What kind of engineers work for that company anyway?

[@joncheek7063]

From what I have seen it seems like he hired recent college grads. Every picture and video I have seen is full of young kids in Oceangate attire.

[@Werwolf2k11]

Stockton did not want 50 year old white engineer dudes telling him the truth so he hired college grads and yes men

[@oldgeezerproductions]

@@joncheek7063 If that is true, it is no wonder they were so lax and it is no wonder this disaster occurred. It takes years to train an engineer to be quality conscious and (s)he must be backed up by a team of quality inspectors and an independent QA department and the trained technicians must work to well defined procedures that have been thoroughly peer reviewed. Kids right out of engineering school are no way, absolutely no way qualified to work on manned systems except under close supervision and peer review. Having said that, the Space Program had to learn all this the hard way, by blowing up a lot of space boosters until they perfected their procedures and training. I wonder how much, if any, cross fertilization has occurred between aerospace and this company?

[@JH-kd6hs]

'Inspiring' engineers, according to Stockton

[@kriscollinstunes]

Woke ones

[@register1430]

Was there not a sound picked up by defense sonar ops that was released days later? That time should approx match- yes?

[@jennifer4102]

It should be noted that the Ocean Gate team on the Polar Prince waited 8 hours to call the Coast Guard but did reach out to industry colleagues to ask for help within an hour or two of losing communication. That's likely how James Cameron heard so early, and had insider details. I'm sure the OG team was scared of Stockton Rush, who likely forbid them to involve authorities if the sub lost contact even for a few hours, so as to avoid any attention and investigations. But when so much time passed and the OG crew became more certain of potential doom, they felt more comfortable doing the responsible thing. Rush's intimidation was insidious-right up to the end of his own life. I think the transcript is likely real. It's now known that the Titan was riddled with issues on many previous dives, including losing comms for hours-but the OG team on the mothership never called anyone during those incidents. Yet this time, they did reach out to colleagues so they obviously had more information that worried them. The RTM red lights detailed in this transcript would be exactly that type of information.

[@MrAmbrosse]

They probably also knew the sub had imploded, and so there would be no urgency to inform the coast guard.

[@bwktlcn]

I wonder if the 8 hours was to give them time to surface, because communications had gone out before….

[@simsadie14]

This is what I think happened too with the lack of emergency response. I also agree about the transcript probably being authentic, and if it was intentionally faked I’d think it would be more dramatic

[@7urbine]

Really good diagnosis, I agree 100% with your logic.

[@mrsdinosaur1009]

@@bwktlcn Possible, but I think they knew it had gone pop. If the sound of an implosion was picked up by a naval Sub miles away from the Titanic. Then the Polar prince would have certainly felt some sort of vibration and could have heard something due to it's proximity to Titan. I think they held out for 8 hours to get rid of anything that would incriminate themselves and lead to legal action of epic magnitude.

[@mannys9130]

My guess? The hull delaminated in the aft and began leaking through micro channels onto electrical equipment which shorted power bus A. The crackling noises were the composite layers splitting and swelling from the intruding water. They had trouble jettisoning the frame because the outer surface of the hull was already deforming at certain areas at that point and it jammed up the mechanism which releases the frame. The delamination and loss of integrity was the true cause of the implosion, but the loss of power bus A may have prevented them from ascending quick enough to stay above the rapidly decreasing "crush depth" of the actively failing hull. One thing that's odd is that Rush said the sub would surface automatically without any thrusters... He bragged about how as long as the pressure vessel was intact, everything else could fail and it would still surface and be fine. So how did the thing become so much less positively buoyant? It was supposed to ascend normally despite having zero power. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Dropping the ballast should have sent them up at a normal rate instantly. The ballasts were supposed to drop automatically after a certain time frame because their mounts dissolved in the water. That would be useful in case they lost the ability to drop the weights, lost thruster power, and were neutrally buoyant or simply ascending too slowly to surface on time.

[@SaltedKillick]

Good post. My only conclusion to add is that the aft section filled up with water as it descended, perhaps from the beginning. That would explain the loss of ascendency, the cracking delamination, the increased initial decent rate and the power short all in one. Sadly, it may have gone on for some time after the 20 minutes of emergency awareness.

[@hillbillybeerdranker6678]

Sounds like a plausible scenario manny. Something was going on that seemed to start causing them to descend too fast, just as soon as they got into the water. I sometimes wonder if he had too many fat passengers onboard? He seemed to be dropping this and dropping that to try to ascend, but nothing was working. The way he was about not testing things, he may have not tested the sub with that amount of weight. The father and son looked to weigh 250 to 300 lbs each and the other two passengers looked pretty big and husky. I've heard people say that descending too fast can cause damage to a sub. Maybe the weight of the passengers caused it to descend too fast, causing the hull delamination and other things you mentioned.

[@void1968able]

@@hillbillybeerdranker6678 I see this as a simple but valid argument. As carbon fiber hull isn't elastic the vessels buoyancy can't be changed that much due to less displacement. The CF hull is either stiff... or collapsing. Delamination and more water getting pushed into the levels of CF means, as water weights nothing in water, that there has been something lighter than water inbetween the layers: air. I can't imagine that there might have been so much air in the glue that it has any effect on buoyancy. Everybody who has ever worked with glue or resin knows that you always have to get air bubbles out of your liquid. The carbon fibre was wound and glued by specialists, I doubt there were any air bubbles. The pilot dropped the vessel "like a stone" over 90mins and did not wonder? Either they had a totally different dive diagram (non-linear) than us or they did it linear and he just did not care, whatever his reasons might have been.

[@thomasafb]

@@SaltedKillick the only place on the sub not filled with water is the crew compartment. And at that depth, any leak would be a short affair and loss of buoyancy not the major issue.

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

@@hillbillybeerdranker6678 your "Fat Passengers" scenario is quite valid, imo. Excessive weight should affect descent and ascent.

[@hindesite]

The normal dive rate for the Titan appears to be 25m/min. Interesting to note that was also the safe dive rate for the Odysseus rescue ROV, but they violated their own safety guidelines and descended at 35m/min. Titan was already going as fast as that and they had no business doing that. Even 10 minutes in to the dive they should have been aware of the trouble they were in. Once the lawsuits start, Oceangate is screwed. I feel really sorry for all thar the support crew are feeling right now, and what will happen once the legal process and investigations begin.

[@beckydoesit9331]

My daughter has posters of Stockton Rush all over her walls. She wants to be a submersible pilot. Should I tell her?

[@Mububban23]

What’s the bet Stockton Rush was telling them all how they were about to set a new world record for fastest descent to the Titanic and how awesome it would be 🙄 Which is how Titanic ended up on the bottom as well. Time will tell I imagine

[@Barb4sale]

You think ocean gate is screwed when the lawsuits start?? lol.. Get real they are done fore, their CEO died down there.. What are they suing for??????????? The people that would be seeking damages are billionaires...

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I think either Rush was trying to do a reckless speed dive and he knew perfectly well that he was descending too quickly, or the sub was taking on water on the way down and he didn't figure out why until it was too late. The surface crew clearly knew he was descending too quickly and they asked him about it. Even after they jettisoned the ballast AND the frame, the sub was still way too heavy. It should have had lots of positive buoyancy, but they actually had to use the thrusters to ascend, when they shouldn't have needed the thrusters at all.

[@riccardodececco4404]

@@Mububban23 is there a blue ribbon to be won for fastest descent?