Ominous email about doomed submersible emerges

[@fritzdeuces]

Dave Lockridge the ex-employee is a true hero. He refused to sign off on the sub, got fired for it, even went ahead and informed the authorities. Did everything he was supposed to do to stop this tragedy from happening.

[@meganruchwatercolors7186]

AGREED!!!!!!

[@enricol5974]

I gather that got sued for doing the right thing. Welcome to the business world. Lesson learned : get a good lawyer before doing the right thing.

[@WingsOfHeartFailures]

That’s why he hated “old white men”. Eating those words now..

[@m.h.6499]

@@enricol5974I’ve heard aviation expert Mary Schiavo of the NTSB say on camera that if you’re going to be a whistleblower, you have to be prepared never to work in the industry again and the government won’t hire you either. This must carry over into business, too. What a reality.

[@tatsumakijim]

I wonder if he can sue for damages caused by the obvious legal retaliation to stifle him. Given that he's been obviously proven right.

[@JL40818]

Any company that fires certified safety specialist over safety concerns must be prosecuted for crime.

[@d.optional3381]

big brain opinion

[@famyemil]

This happens more often than you think…and it’s scary

[@bursegsardaukar]

The CEO got off easy. He's dead. So he won't face a criminal trial or face the anguish of the families of the people killed.

[@famyemil]

@@bursegsardaukar agreed

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

@@d.optional3381 be sure to loosen the lugnuts on your cars wheels before you drive.

[@vanCaldenborgh]

An engineer buried in legal bills for doing his job and speaking out. Losing his job and losing a lot of money in court for trying to safe lives. This is very sad.

[@Sedgewise47]

Let this be a lesson to everyone: no good deed goes unpunished!.. (🤦‍♂️ 😖)

[@Garland_29]

Welcome to 🇺🇸

[@coderider3022]

Yip, free to speak up about issues , not consequence free for you !

[@ViralVideos-wp5cz]

​​@@Garland_29merica is fine, come to asia you will see 100x the shit you see in US.

[@justmy-profilename]

@@Garland_29 It's not better in big corporations outside the US. Narcism seems to be a requirement for upper management...

[@NicCageForPresident2024]

This has been known about for a long time. As somebody that has work in aerospace engineering and Quality Inspection I can't tell you how many times I have raised concerns about a safety issue or a faulty product, only to be shot down because people that were higher ranking in the company we're able to shut me up and keep business going as usual. One thing I learned and I always stand by always send emails and keep copies and make sure you send emails to everybody if there's an issue as long as you keep the copies printed and backup you have evidence that you tried and that you were ignored.

[@chrism9017]

This so reminds me of NASA STS Challenger.

[@tessietesoro7407]

Good move, CEO's money usually is tightened by shareholders' opinions.

[@danc8458]

Dang man thank for our irrelevant input , I'm a scientist in Implosion physics and I have a very long opinion and want to post ON YT comments ...so here we go.....😂😂😂,🤡🤡💀

[@gobbollino2688]

@Danc8458 - best comment on here 😉 I’m not an engineer, but I’m not stupid either 😅

[@liberatedwoman]

Before computers my engineer husband kept a diary, and it saved him several times. 😎

[@takinastabatit]

They weren't missed warnings, they were deliberately IGNORED warnings.

[@nicholasaprovis]

It was worse than that, they were basically told to shut up about their concerns, or look for a new job. At the federal inquiry into the Challenger disaster, they tried to whitewash it so that poor NASA wouldn't look bad, and again, NASA employees were afraid to speak up about what they knew. It was only through the work of Richard Feynman, and his coded conversation with one NASA employee, that they were able to establish that the O-ring on the shuttle had frozen the night before and lost its elasticity, leading to the fuel leakage and thus, the explosion soon after it launched. We can only hope that this engineer can be somehow compensated for trying to do the right thing

[@nicholasaprovis]

@SuperNostalgia. Pleeeease explain how that is relevant to this video or this comment thread!

[@AlexBabbage]

@@nicholasaprovis Literally the first words that the reporter says in this video are, "We are learning of more missed warning signs for the company behind the Titan submersible."

[@PayNoTaxes0GetNoVote]

​​@AlexBabbage- When the reporter read Stockton's quote about "innovation" I believe a little later in the same diatribe he said (my paraphrase) " we don't want 50 year old white guys" despite the fact they they are BY FAR the most experienced and knowledgeable about this sort of dangerous environment thanks to our once great American military. But leave it to CNN to leave that inconvenient statement out of the reporting.

[@formershadow]

@@nicholasaprovisyou sound special needs. Why are you even here? The comment is relevant to the entirety of the event. Are you some sort of troll ?

[@jonelervorths4110]

Tragedy aside, it's refreshing to hear a journalist talk about an issue and includinng a lot of technical details instead of overslimplifying it. Wish there was more of that.

[@aleksandrasobczak3141]

My sentiments exactly. His piece in "The New Yorker" is fabulous information-wise as well. Calm and solid account of facts. No hint at superfluous sensation. Rare these days.

[@calilove6103]

👍

[@ghostbird92]

Love it. Sometimes oversimplifying it feels like evading the important details and almost lying to an extent.

[@Faynuusey]

@@aleksandrasobczak3141okay now I have to read that piece!

[@roystonboodoo7525]

2nd that

[@TruthbtoldMD]

The fact that he was in that sub when it imploded, is practically telling us that he was very confident with his sub. But sometimes narcissism can blind you of everything around you. He wanted to be part of history and be famous, now he is infamous.

[@tracypattin3746]

The seduction of power and greed.

[@heathermoore9008]

I was thinking that but I also think he was smart enough to know his idea was failing and he would rather die then admit he was wrong.

[@Kharkovkid]

His breath taking miscalculation brought to mind an old late movie line. Three Desert Bedouins are sitting around a camp fire. One says, "Forget the idle threats of that rug merchant! What's Sinbad going to do... steal a boat and come after us?!?"

[@livingintheforest3963]

I think he wanted to die down there. He was so seduced by the titanic. And he took everyone else with him.

[@BlvckHouzWyf_Inc]

Those billionaires are hiding in some government high elite for the filthy rich…underground somewhere. Fake deaths…the news is just blue clues

[@amberowens3244]

This might be the best interview by the most well-informed guest CNN has ever had. Usually experts speak over regular viewers' heads, not explaining in layman's terms- I understood everything this guy said and actually enjoyed this segment

[@galaxia4709]

What I loved about it was that he spoke in clear terms and wasn't turning around the pot. What a relief to listen to.

[@jetad6122]

Agree

[@JoeLattimore-ss2pm]

One of the rare moments I have trusted CNN.. 😮😮..

[@genevasimmonds8208]

Not missed warnings, ignored warnings

[@porshataylor-ee5ri]

Exactly

[@ecurewitz]

The warnings were loud and clear

[@missj2596]

FACTS!

[@yukio_saito]

And calling it as "innovation."😮

[@roahnosh]

The coast guard ignore it too. They could have prevented this tragedy had they take action. But nope. "McDevitt, the osha (investigator), notified the Coast Guard of Lochridge’s complaint. There is no evidence that the Coast Guard ever followed up"

[@christianWilliams-pc4jn]

The fact that he didn't even listen to his own engineer is unfathomable.

[@hullie7529]

Why hire one to begin with if you're not going to listen. He just wanted a yes man with an engineering degree.

[@MUTTLEYSWOMAN]

right. just to make it look like he was running a real business!

[@roahnosh]

Everyone don't listen and apparently even the US government (Coast Guard). "McDevitt, the osha (investigator), notified the Coast Guard of Lochridge’s complaint. There is no evidence that the Coast Guard ever followed up"

[@irrationalpie3143]

What do you mean? This is standard operation in S&P500 companies, nobody listens to engineers there. I'm a senior engineer and I work for one.

[@jamescraig4479]

It actually is fathomable... oh, about 2000 fathoms...

[@jpd9415]

That ex-employee who warned everyone should be given a medal as he predicted exactly what took place. That took incredible courage.

[@hullie7529]

Apparently absolutely everyone that had anything to do with it "predicted" what would happen. That's why the company went to international waters and tried as hard as possible to keep out of any regulation's reach.

[@thetobyg]

And a couple of $ Millions!

[@thunderstar254]

Forget the medal, why not just pay back all the money he spent out of his own pocket trying to save ungrateful other's

[@beckydoesit9331]

I walked in my daughter's room and she's got photos of Stockton Rush all over the walls, and when I walked in she exclaimed, "Mommy! I want to be a submarine pilot". Should I tell her?

[@jpd9415]

@@beckydoesit9331 I say, tell her everything. Educate her and be transparent so she can make an informed decision as she grows up so she knows the pros and cons of her own dream.

[@0_0merry]

And that's why you hold on to your integrity. Because everything always comes back. I do not know this engineer but I am proud and would hire him immediately if I had a company to do so. Im sure someone in that position might look at this and give him a call.

[@reekinronald6776]

I don't think it "always" comes back. Being in business for about 30 years, I would say that the majority of the executive suite got there by ditching their integrity early on in their career. If you want to be the person "who gets things done", you have to cut corners, and if things don't get done, you throw someone else under the bus. Yes, it's a gamble, especially if you are in middle management and something blows up in your face....because the those above will need a scapegoat.

[@minilope2315]

He died tho I believe

[@boniface494]

As an engineer, I can relate to having bosses who think engineers are those people who are getting in the way. They are called engineering problems and they are ONLY resolved through engineering solutions. Short cuts don't work. Allow your engineers to do their work.

[@jonfernandez4271]

Hear hear. Engineering problems cannot be solved through administrative action.

[@ibeatyoutubecircumventingy6344]

@@ReverendSnedley shame bout the 3 billion Virologists that appeared in 2020 lol

[@bananian]

Well you should know that managers know everything. 😉

[@theeddorian]

@@ReverendSnedley Listen, and learn, and questions is more important than "trust." Trust is potentially a mindless state. Thoughtful attention, unimpeded by mindless childishness is critical.

[@clitisswood7330]

Many time, I was the negative guy always seeing problems (but who could also fix or find an alternative) ! Never trust overly positive guys, the vast majority are simply blind, ignorant. Bran counters and lawyers are an other plague we have to deal with.

[@Willysmb44]

You have to feel for this guy, he TRIED to tell them what was going on and was proven right at the cost of several lives

[@221b-l3t]

Yeah that's the worst kind of being right. Like the Thiokol engineers who told NASA the boosters could explode in low temperatures before Challenger launched. I saw an interview with one of them 30 years later. Still looks like he has ptsd and started shaking when talking about it. Life ruined. Feels he didn't do enough. Feels responsible...

[@tiararoxeanne1318]

I hope it boosted his credibility. If were a CEO who has a job vacancy suitable for his expertise, I will offer him that job.

[@jazzdub4958]

True and at the cost of his career, reputation and bank balance. The little guy always gets shat on in life's lessons.

[@seriouscat2231]

@SuperNostalgia., by spamming that everywhere you're actually cheapening it.

[@stormmeansnowork]

It's totally irrelevant to the technical side of things, but I do appreciate this David guy simply just remain low profile all this time and let the investigators do their job and let the world proof his case

[@gtf5392]

Wow, this guy Ben Taub articulated all the main issues about as good as anybody I’ve seen. People keep referring to Stockton Rush as an innovator and visionary, but he hit the nail on the head when he said ‘an innovator tries to beat the competition, but Stockton was trying to beat physics’. Also, if Stockton can’t be that much of a visionary if he couldn’t envision the inevitable outcome of his experimental craft.

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@miam1074]

@@beckydoesit9331trolling

[@kengreenberg]

Huh? He was fired for criticizing a sociopath. Ya really think OceanGate will be back? Is Rush a cousin of yours, perhaps?

[@Boyetto-san]

The only thing Stockton Rush was trying to "innovate" was to reach the Titanic by cutting as many corners as possible. When it became clear that his cut-price sub just wasn't soundly engineered, he'd already sunk too much into the project to admit defeat. Classic Silicon Valley "fake it till you make it" delusions.

[@willywatkins-zh9xd]

he needs to speak slower thou lol

[@alexscarbro796]

All an engineer has is his/her integrity. If they are pressured to compromise that, the best thing they can do is walk away with a clear conscience. This guy went over and above to protect the owner and customers from defects, but their vision was distorted and broken. How tragic.

[@Scorpio72350]

Exactly. Perfectly put.

[@Blatstein]

His/her? Umm it’s 2023, hun. Scientific fact that gender is a spectrum.

[@10mgbenes73]

@@BlatsteinI knew someone was going to get offended by this 😂 you live in a sad world.

[@TentinQuarantino_]

@@Blatsteineople like you are a big reason others get annoyed about trans rights. Your comment has ZERO relevance to the topic.

[@sethfroman7044]

It’s one thing to risk your life for advancing deep diving, but it’s a completely different thing when you risk others lives recklessly.

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@jefferyhutchison9775]

If you're willing to spend that much money sign that waver ,and not research the risk....Take responsibility for you're own stupidity.....

[@lanacastillo49]

@@beckydoesit9331 stfu and stop giving excuses to that buffon Rush who should be sued even in his death, get all his money and give it to charity

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

Planned recklessness

[@Newjerseyblows]

For money 💰

[@gears1707]

This is why you can't have "yes" people around you like that.. having people with opposing opinions is what makes things better

[@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504]

Anthony joshua comes to mind 🤔

[@___toyatootrill]

Correct!

[@andreseh87]

Probably why he hired a bunch of interns.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

cant wait for musk to repeat this on the opposite side of the pressure scale, but we know he is far to chicken too ride in his own creation.

[@tanler7953]

A growing problem on many university campuses.

[@douglaspinsak1246]

“In a way he was doing his job”. NO. He was 100% exactly doing his job.

[@nightshademilkshake1]

Yeah that was such an asinine observation

[@XxViktorijaxX]

😂😂 that's what I was thinking... What do you mean "in a way"? Ughhh ... CNN....🙄

[@chavondottin2170]

Yeah he was doing to his job to fail.

[@dylanmartin9190]

In a way she is doing her job by speaking occasionally about things

[@buitragobb228]

Yeah, "in a way" irked me too. She sounded like a complete moron saying that.

[@paperman9708]

Dave Lockridge is a good man. Instead of just taking his paycheck and staying quiet he spoke out. It's crazy how many obvious faults the submersible had. The main thing that blows my mind is the fact that they thought they could use the thing over and over.

[@cinefiend4059]

Kudos to this New Yorker journalist for his incredibly thorough investigation. He’s right. Hubris was the culprit here. He wasn’t attempting to compete with other companies; he was trying to fight physics and lost with deadly results.

[@whichfilmisit]

*IDK..*

[@TheFutureLooksGrimm]

New Yorker has great journalists. Kudus also for CNN airing the entire excellent interview they did one with Karl Stanley that was great too. With so many outlets cutting context it’s important to give excellent reporting it’s due. Awesome job here

[@dorothylewis1207]

THAT Journalist is incredibly HANDSOME !!!!!!!😆

[@spvillano]

We all defy physics by merely walking. What we don't do as responsible adults is taking others down with us if we trip and fall. Meanwhile, everyone fixates upon carbon fiber, ignoring the lexan that was rated at half of its depth and well, a thousand other ignored fuck-ups in the design. There are 3 submersibles that use carbon fiber. Two still exist and entirely failed to crush. One of the two was examined after every dive by x-ray and ultrasound, unlike this one, which was "examined" visually and using just a plain microphone to detect when it implodes. From my seat, I'd have his death certificate list suicide as cause of death.

[@MorrisLess]

Hubris and capitalism. This company had sunk (no pun intended) too much money in this project to admit that it was a failure. A failure would bankrupt them--a better outcome, but then we would never have heard about it.

[@treverblanco]

They weren't missed. He purposely ignored the warnings.

[@Ometecuhtli]

Mexican politics basically, you need to prove you're ready to turn a blind eye or waste money in "creative ways" to reach the top.

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@ecurewitz]

Profits over safety

[@bigcatlivesmatter]

@@beckydoesit9331 "so bad at submersibles" ??

[@mikegamerguy4776]

Exactly. Every expert that got to examine that sub said it was a death trap. There's a reason we have experts. And this is what happens when you ignore them. This is a small, easily understandable, situation that can be applied globally to things like COVID and climate change. Ignore the expert consensus at one's own peril. With a new thing like COVID the consensus might change often as they are being forced to learn "the hard way" a lot of the time. But those are the best opinions we had and have. If a group of fire chiefs with 40 years experience in firefighting was presented with a situation he nor anyone else had ever seen before, we wouldn't ignore their advice because his opinion would be the best opinion. And we would F'ing listen to them. Maybe one or two of the chiefs would disagree and their opinions would be taken into consideration, but ultimately we should listen to the expert consensus because that is the best answer we could possibly get.

[@lukehaigh1363]

The more that comes out, the more inevitable this disaster was. Stockton Rush was warned by several parties of the dangers of his Titan design/materials and need to test/certify yet has ended up a victim of his own hubris. The appalling thing is that same hubris has cost the lives of four others also. So sad, so avoidable 😢

[@chonqmonk]

The more that comes out, the more I'm baffled that this is such a huge story and is still going. I honestly don't get it...

[@alexv1190]

@@chonqmonk obviously because it generates shock, views and money. Mainly money. That's all people care about anymore.

[@danielrivera1387]

@@alexv1190that’s true lol but regardless it’s probably gonna be talked about anyway on the internet in the future and the memes are a example of it

[@scholaroftheworldalternatehist]

@@chonqmonk Because rich people died

[@jlighter1]

@@chonqmonk Two factors. One is the ongoing "morbid curiosity" that always comes with dissecting and rubbernecking a disaster. Second, it's a microcosm of how we are encouraged to care about the superficial qualities of billionaires instead of the things that they actually do and don't do to improve humanity. The rest of this is a rant. Another example is Musk. Yes, some of his companies are doing things that are actually interesting for humanity. What's the story about? Twitter being a dumpster fire, him being a POS human being, his cars exploding. What should the story be about? How he could actually be following up on using his money where his mouth says he will and making improvements for humanity (where's the Tesla semi? Remember that Hyperloop he promised which helped get California high-speed rail delayed into effective oblivion? Donating money to the World Food Program? Delivering ventilators during Covid?). Note that I'm using Musk as an example here, this is not meant to indicate he should be an exclusive dumping platform. There are plenty of other billionaires (read: all of them) one could as easily criticize for hoarding immense wealth and correspondingly failing to do what they can for species preservation. Bill Gates's push for charter schools over public education, Bezos and Amazon's anticompetitive practices, Murdoch and Ailes and the mission Fox has been on for 40+ years, etc.

[@wittwittwer1043]

I was a Caterpillar training instructor for three years, and also wore a hat as a safety meeting conductor on a weekly basis. On occasion, I met with VASHA, the Virginia State version of OSHA. One of the axioms I heard in a meeting has stuck with me ever since: SAFETY RULES ARE WRITTEN IN BLOOD.

[@ntyler2344]

Right? There is a reason for those safety rules and it is usually because someone got serious hurt or died in the process. Whenever I see videos of people making fun of OSHA I just shake my head.

[@tashathayer4069]

I've seen old B&W safty videos & amazing how common sense needed video's but I get it... ✌

[@joannaharrison7368]

Woah.....yup....one to remember

[@WeLoveChouBJu]

Kudos to David Lockridge for standing by his convictions in stating that this sub was not safe and raising the alarm bells. Kudos also to Ben Taub for his piece of journalism and ending this interview by making it clear how far Lockridge went to try to make the safety issues known.

[@ellestar2306]

And Kudos to you too Choub Ju

[@luciusvorenus9445]

I hope he doesn't suffer psychologically like the engineer from the Challenger disaster who tried to stop the January 1986 launch.

[@KainMalice]

“It wasnt about beating the other companies. It was about beating physics” Omg, what a fantastic line

[@FlavaAv]

Innocent lives lost over a man’s ego…Absolutely disgusting and horrifying. If Stockton wanted to go “down with his ship” don’t take others with you recklessly! Ocean gate should be sued into the ground without a cent left to their name.

[@Seramics]

Exactly

[@PedzRR]

OceanGate has already ceased to exist

[@elisafrye2115]

@@PedzRRYES-and I cynically believe they did it so quickly in order to avoid the subsequent lawsuits and resulting financial disaster they knew were going to be filed!

[@littlepip4014]

@@PedzRR could the families still sue though? It’s quite obvious that oceangate higher-ups were aware of the fact the titan was unsafe and a ticking time bomb. Couldn’t they still be held liable for gross negligence resulting in death?

[@robhaney8568]

AND ... all involved thrown in jail for the loss of life they were warned about repeatedly years ago.

[@yumleadpaintchips2213]

The sub that I believe he's talking about at the end, the one that dove to the deepest point in every ocean including Challenger Deep where it got "signed off", is DSV Limiting Factor and probably went on the dive with Victor Voscovo. I say this because DSV Limiting Factor is the only submersible that has been classed to "unlimited depth". You can say "Well James Cameron did it in Deepsea Challenger" and yes he did. But that sub was entirely experimental and wasn't classed. Limiting Factor was the first, and iirc is the only, sub to be classed to "unlimited depth". Also Ben Taub is 100% right that Titanic isn't even that much of a big deal anymore. Triton Submersibles is making subs that are classed to go to that depth that people can buy now. They use acrylic and are rated to 4000m deep. And Triton knows what they're doing because they built the above mentioned DSV Limiting Factor. And who owns a piece of Triton? James Cameron. It's a small world and community. Stockton Rush really was the stupid asshole of stupid assholes.

[@justsomeguy3862]

Same thing with the Challenger Shuttle disaster. Engineers warned them repeatedly the o-rings were compromised. Upper management went ahead anyway and the shuttle exploded right after liftoff. Basically if an engineer tells you somthing is wrong, you better listen.

[@glenbard657]

They also knew that the heat shield tiles were a problem before the Columbia disaster.

[@kgmail7364]

And engineers eventually supported the “Go for launch” decision. Don’t make engineers out to be saints…especially when actually see who calls themselves an engineer.

[@guytanoparks]

Absolutely!

[@L0kias1]

As an engineer I am appalled. Using composite material for your pressure vessel at those depths was suicide. Maybe as a double hull but not the only barrier between you and the ocean

[@vonnikon]

Carbon fiber can't handle compression. It is only good at handling tension. Steel is cheaper and more suitable for the task, so it is difficult to imagine what they were trying to accomplish by using carbon fibers.

[@oldRighty1]

@@vonnikon I'm guessing it's "cooler" than using steel. High tech and all that. So what if it collapses and kills everyone, it was LEADING EDGE

[@matthewbrightman3398]

Someone should have put a carbon fiber sticker over a steel hull.

[@garywheeler7039]

Carbon fiber is like any fiber, you cannot push on it! You can pull on it fine, like in aircraft. But here it is the opposite situation.

[@clitisswood7330]

@@vonnikon The genius Stockton invented this to solve buoyancy issues and was proud because he thought to be the first to do it. He didn't realize others dismissed this as stupid so never wasted time trying.

[@TranscendentBen]

NOT missed warning signs, IGNORED warning signs.

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@mikegamerguy4776]

@@beckydoesit9331 This is literally the 4th copy paste in 1 minute of looking for them, PR Becky.

[@rde4017]

@@beckydoesit9331 Will you be on their next dive then? Nope, thought not.

[@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460]

After working sporadically with hundreds of engineers over time, the one thing I know for sure about them is that, *if an engineer tells you what you're working on is NOT READY, then that is what he/she means and you should immediately listen!!!!!* I've only ever met ONE engineer who was an extrovert. All others were more comfortable tucked away getting their work done quietly. So if they come out of their cave and tell you to stop rushing a project, you should always obey them. PERIOD!

[@Scorpio72350]

💯 don’t fk with engineers concerns!

[@John-zn4lp]

This probably happens more often at many companies in every field imaginable, than we would like to believe. I've worked at companies, and known people who worked for companies, that simply don't want to hear about problems or recommendations that might improve things, simply because the boss or CEO are basically control freaks that believe they know everything. They say it's "their way, or the highway."

[@vanillaghetto]

Greed$$. No integrity. Low intelligence.

[@heathermoore9008]

You deserve an award for this comment. I've literally had HR bully me for voicing concerns...companies lawyer up and you get fired...all for doing your job.

[@heathermoore9008]

Also remember Theanos..Walgreens has someone see about the blood testing..he had his concerns and that was ignored and they went ahead and had people use the faulty blood testing device

[@221b-l3t]

​@@heathermoore9008 I mean at least Titan got down there a couple of times, the blood testing thingy by Theranos was straight up not functional.

[@THX--nn5bu]

The shopping mall in South Korea that collapsed for example and the condo in Florida where property managers just ignored structure damage concerns and later collapsed taking many tenants lives with it as it collapsed.

[@Mehranwahid]

As a former DPA in charge of safety with a small German shipping company, I was quite shocked to discover that this craft could get away with not being classed. This is a great reporting here - well done!

[@CheeryRhymes]

Basically... international waters. It would have been different if it was a submarine that was underway in national waters but it wasn't. Nobody really has any authority in international waters.

[@TimeSurfer206]

@@CheeryRhymes It still had a Home Port and Port of Registration in somebody's National Waters.

[@piedpiper1172]

@@TimeSurfer206Exploited “prototype” status designation. I suspect we will see nations cracking down on any passenger use of prototype watercraft. The prototype designation needs to exist for actual innovators to develop and test technology, but, as always, bad actors find ways to exploit systems.

[@TimeSurfer206]

@@piedpiper1172 Huh. Didn't know "Prototype Vessels" were allowed to transport PAYING PASSENGERS. If that's the case, it's a loophole that needs to be plugged with Trinitrotoluene. Stuffed right up the "Loophole" of whoever thought of it. I'm sure it wasn't the Owners original thought.

[@TimeSurfer206]

@SuperNostalgia. And... here is the "Goooooooooood CHRISTIAN!" here to show Men how pious he is, by being pious before men. You got your rewards, Timmy, now go away. _We are just SO impressed!!!_

[@36on22]

Retired engineer. For 40+ years I had to constantly deal with this issue.

[@Kasiarzynka]

Worst part is, nothing's gonna change in the industry. People up the decision chain are still gonna have this "this kinda thing could never happen to us" mentality and disregard concerns of specialists as "too cautious". Tywin Lannister (Game of Thrones character) was right when he said that "a good king must be wise, and a wise king knows what he knows and what he doesn't, and if he doesn't then he listens to advisors who do know". Applies to CEOs and any manager positions as well.

[@randall.chamberlain]

Hear hear. 20 years behind you and nothing has changed

[@editorrbr2107]

Been practicing design defect law for 17 - and I hear this every day. I don’t sleep beey well…or ride in certain automobiles.

[@charliehustle3685]

I was the main engineer on the Titanic.

[@kookoo6128]

@@charliehustle3685 I was the chief engineer, i do not remember you being there. you're claim has been verified false.

[@deltagaming5005]

Dave Lockridge displayed engineering ethics at its best. Take note young engineers, we have a moral and ethical obligation to do what is right regardless of the perceived outcome. He would be an asset at any company. Good man!!

[@eriny8707]

The writer is really good at his job, a lot of new information presented in a concise and relevant context

[@ddneq677]

And cute to boot lol

[@AfroNerd-cv1dl]

As a mechanical engineering student, I fear the day where I may spot something that goes wrong with a project that we are working on at a company and no one listens to me. I see so many times that executives who never had their hands into the type of work us engineers do make the decisions and ignore our warnings and then we are the ones who get fired when things go wrong

[@fladder1]

That’s why you always put those concerns in writing. An e-mail, memo, report, whatever.

[@darcos7535]

At this point you would then need to quit, thereby protecting yourself, like the engineer here. Harder to do when you have mouths at home to feed. The good news is most companies really do not want to take such risks. Hopefully, you will end up working for one of these.

[@jonathanpasch6604]

As an engineering student, you"ll enjoy the story of the Citicorp building in NYC. Take a peek.

[@justindececco5836]

At least if your fired it means your still alive

[@andydelle4509]

"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it". The exact same thing happened on the Space Shuttle Challenger. An engineering manager with one of the private contractors voiced strong warnings about the solid rocket booster joints leaking in cold weather. There was even proof on recovered tanks from previous launches. At a meeting the night before the launch, he was over ruled by his senior management with NASA also agreeing to the launch. P.S. congrats on your studies. My nephew just graduated this year from Drexel University with a BSME.

[@guangxidavidliu]

Someone please hire this David Lockridge for He is a standout and honorable human.

[@charlesfaure1189]

That's how corporate hiring works. Tell on your employer, career over.

[@OilBaron100]

He’ll struggle to find work. Governments and corporations don’t like wistle blowers.

[@gailmcn]

@@OilBaron100 So true!

[@gerardjagroo]

@@OilBaron100 Sad but true.

[@nadiasingh8700]

Very well said, I hope so too 👍

[@iheartapple-114]

Oh gosh. A huge part of innovation is to be able to take constructive criticism. Especially when it comes to potential loss of life. Hiring a safety guy, then firing him for finding big safety concerns just proves that the CEO was “the king of the world” in the moment.

[@formulas7002]

Legend in his own mind.

[@vangodwinmyyoutubealias7592]

Based on the interview of the reporter, Stockton Rush is responsible for the death of passengers who were killed in the Titan Submersible implosion, and is therefore criminally liable and the families can bring a civil lawsuit against Stockton Rush's estate and his invested ownership in Oceangate. The person Lockridge who was fired can sue Oceangate for unfair and wrongful termination of his employment.

[@donaldcarpenter5328]

Go AFTER his WIFE!!!

[@globalcitizenn]

Unfortunately the only one who will suffer is his widow who was not at fault but was herself conned by her husband. Oceangate should pay out whatever they have & shut down & regulators need to learn lessons from this not to allow unclassed subs.

[@mediumvillain]

Lochridge did sue, or countersue, for wrongful termination, bc Stockton Rush filed a frivolous lawsuit against him after firing him for his safety concerns that he was 'manufacturing a reason to be fired' (that's how much of an insane narcissist this guy was), and the suit was settled.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

@@globalcitizenn She knew what was going on just as much as he did.

[@klj2382]

@@BanjoPixelSnack that’s doubtful

[@StephenBeale]

A lesson for all businesspeople -don't fire people who call you out for being wrong, get them to fix your problem and promote them.

[@astheemeraldfalls]

Every business person already knows this they just want the money therefore they would rather fire them instead of paying for that promotion.

[@dbclass4075]

​@@astheemeraldfallsAnd yet, the promotion still costs less than lost revenue.

[@jackm819]

Good see real journalism still exists. Excellent work Ben.

[@andrewmorke]

Assuming this is true, it's absolutely criminal to dismiss the concerns of your testing engineers.

[@dr.z1657]

There have been reports that Rush attempted to have Lloyd's inspect and certify the Titan, but Lloyd's flatly refused (presumably due to them knowing the danger and not even _wanting_ to be affiliated with that vessel in any way shape or form). It seems that after that, Rush started leaning on the narrative that safety/classing certification and innovation were diametrically opposed.

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@andanandan6061]

M​any successfull but 1 fatal dive that cost him his own life..

[@miam1074]

@@beckydoesit9331you must be invested in the company. Good luck with your attitude

[@desmondasam]

​@@beckydoesit9331troll

[@nikiharon2687]

Speaking through your ass! Wishing you are one of the five!

[@I-didnt-ask-you]

I'm looking forward to the lawsuits brought by the families. FYI, a waiver of any kind no matter how detailed or how it may say a company can't be held liable for injury or death, will not shield you from legal accountability if negligence is involved. This is 100% a case of multiple levels of purposeful deception and negligence. I have full confidence that any lawsuit brought against OceanGate will be have merit and be successful.

[@attentiondeficit9765]

Are you trying to convince someone you are a lawyer? Have you read the document everyone signed..? Are you of the thought prenups have no bearing in court?

[@megaauburnfan21]

@@attentiondeficit9765 They are right. Most of the time, consent forms like this don't hold up. I went over many cases in law school in which ski resorts, paragliding, trampoline parks, etc., consent forms/waivers don't hold up. However, I doubt any of the suits will actually hold up. This is a case of implied consent. They knew what they were getting into. Implied consent is the reason you can't sue someone for punching you when you square up or act like you're going to fight as well. If anything, they're just going to look for a settlement because they know OceanGate will probably win, and OceanGate will also probably just want to settle and get out of the spotlight and not have to deal with discovery and trial exposing their interworkings and their knowledge as to how safe it was at the time. But they probably did have some extremely well-versed attorneys working for them because they knew how dangerous this type of activity could be. Furthermore, they also had the money to pay extremely high-level attorneys in Tort law. It would be interesting to see how it plays out.

[@dscott_]

Oceangate behaved recklessly by disregarding and minimizing multiple safety warnings. There is an argument for gross negligence

[@evirareid1500]

​@attentiondeficit9765 Prebups actually do get thrown out often when deemed unreasonable in comparison to actions. Like if a wife works 3 jobs to support a family while husband oh....trains to be an astronaut and then divorces her once he makes money it can be thrown out. They really only work for men who are enrich prior to marrying. These clauses like ndas can't supercede the law ever.

[@breeze7464]

​@@megaauburnfan21so in other words, the wavier means something.... 🤦 Jfc, guy...

[@toothlessseer3153]

This incident reminds me of Boeing and its 737 MAX crashes which killed hundreds 1 - Its CEO (Dennis Muilenburg) is enjoying a $100 million retirement with an army of lawyers protecting him 2 - The employee test pilot who certified the plane faced 20 years in prison

[@BlizzardtheWolf97]

they always appoint a fall guy with a much lower net worth

[@travisporco]

this country is never going to shape up until some rich people face some accountability

[@wdviolet8434]

the employee was found not guilty btw

[@spaceranger3728]

The FAA totally dropped the ball on that one as well.

[@Void.Theorem]

In which way it reminds you that? In the sub case the CEO died 🙄

[@Ena48145]

Poor David :( I can't imagine how he feels right now. I just hope he knows he did absolutely everything he could. Stockton Rush wasnt going to listen to anyone but himself

[@seriouscat2231]

I still think this never happened. So many details sound so made-up. Their purpose is to sell people the story of Titanic.

[@lisatodd8420]

He did everything he could to sound the alarm on this so has no reason to feel responsible for the tragedy.

[@erikaarteagaazurduy6494]

I hope Dave Lockridge gets hired by a good company with good work ethics. And I hope he makes millions, he deserves it. God bless you wherever you are 🙏🏼

[@charlottestewart5802]

Nope. He will be labeled a troublemaker. People like Elon Musk have spoken against him. He will still need to defend his honor and his credentials.

[@sailerdominguez2626]

@@charlottestewart5802 exactly what I thought

[@thomasanderson440]

​@@charlottestewart5802he'll find work for someone who isn't fundamentally unserious.

[@kellybraille]

​@@thomasanderson440"fundamentally unserious" 👏👏👏 That's a fantastic phrase. If you don't mind, I'm going to find a way to casually drop that in a conversation sometime. What a completely accurate descriptor. Love it. 😂

[@chuckyxii10]

@@charlottestewart5802 Probably because Elon is doing the same thing with space travel. Except its way more dangerous since those rockets that explode have the potential energy of nuclear bombs.

[@angelahall4402]

He knew he was pushing it. Rich people think bad things only happen to poor people. That young man who went with his father knew. He had a bad feeling, and he was right. Trust your insinstincts

[@carlose6010]

He was told from friend who looked into it that it was a bad idea. That was his instinct.

[@mandyellis876]

@@carlose6010 and the friend’s instinct that he shared with the 19 year old, was spot on!

[@bonnielee316]

Yep. Psychopaths are everywhere now. Even the rich aren’t immuned to them. They need to start teaching about the cluster B personality disorders in school now as a warning to society.

[@sonnyblack0870]

Really, is that an objective truth of life, that rich people only think bad things happen to poor people? I did not know this. Stupid rich people.

[@plantlovea.7841]

@@carlose6010that was the other father-son who didn’t end up going and saw other red flags as well, but the father-son who went in their place, the son wasn’t thrilled to go but did it for his father

[@Unmixedmartialarts]

Any liability waivers signed by the divers should be invalidated due to the blatant disregard for safety standards and professional advice disregarded by Stockton Rush and the Oceangate company.

[@michaelotieno6524]

The waivers were invalid from the beginning since OceanGate were aware of the flaws before taking people underwater. A waiver covers unknown risks.

[@Unmixedmartialarts]

@@michaelotieno6524 Liability waivers typically cover known risks rather than unknown risks. They are designed to inform individuals of the potential dangers associated with a product, activity, or service and absolve the responsible party from liability in case of any injuries or damages resulting from those known risks. If a product(in this case a submersible) breaks down and causes death, it would generally fall under a known risk if the potential for such a failure was somewhat foreseeable. This is an incredibly generic explanation ofc, but keeping this is mind, the invalidation would probably revolve around the gross negligence regarding the construction of the sub.

[@yikes7963]

This!!!!!

[@clitisswood7330]

Stockton didn't lie ! He really believed it was safe. He went with them.

[@Unmixedmartialarts]

@@clitisswood7330 He lied multiple times. He knowingly lied about NASA’s involvement in the project. He lied when he said his sub was completely safe, knowing it had failed multiple inspections by his former director(which he fired when he spoke up). Stockton even said “you can’t innovate or move forward without breaking rules” This clearly indicates he knew his submersible wasn’t up to par and he didn’t communicate any of this to his passengers. All of this information only came to light after the fateful accident. So yeah he deceived, lied, and committed gross negligence. He just had an overinflated ego and convinced himself he was above all the experts and that he knew better. He was an idiot.

[@westswell2757]

Engineers are subject to licensing laws in many jurisdictions. Essentially, your first duty is to the truth. My dad knew a guy who worked for an outfit that designed amusement park rides, who had somebody sent to jail for forging his approval signature on a safety report about a bad assembly that could have gotten people killed.

[@mururoa7024]

"never wrong" CEOs are claiming lives all the time, not just in subs.

[@freetrade8830]

Yes let's use this one bad CEO to demonize all of them. Excellent take. Not simplistic at all. Very intellectual.

[@jcmore7971]

Most CEO's are narcissistic ergo they are never wrong.

[@thetobyg]

Entitled fried brains!

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

​ @enricol5974 If big corporations are allowed to fire people for any reason under the premise that workers have no rights at the corporation, then ABSOLUTELY by law corporations have ZERO rights on the bank accounts or property of ex-employees, corporations are NOT allowed to sue ex-employees for ANYTHING, and ex-employees have ABSOLUTE freedom of speech to say ANYTHING at all on their own property or on anyone else who gives them permission to. Ex-employees are LEGALLY ALLOWED TO IGNORE ALL LAWSUITS FROM EX-EMPLOYERS. The SAME law to be a jerk and asshole for ANY reason you want on your own property WORKS FOR ANYONE, NOT just for businesses/corporations. So IGNORE those lawsuits. ALL LAWSUITS FROM EX-EMPLOYERS ARE FAKE! No. Wrong. Once you part ways with former employer, FOR ANY reasons, theirs or yours, YOU have ZERO obligation to "get a lawyer".

[@annemurphy8074]

They're all sociopaths.

[@Samwalton85]

“He’s not trying to beat other companies, he’s trying to beat physics.” The sum if this whole story. Beautiful.

[@marcuscarana9240]

Just as James Cameron, the director of Titanic said, the similarity of the overconfidence and hubris that led to the Titanic disaster was so parallel to the overconfidence and hubris of the CEO with his sub that led to another tragedy at the exact location of the Titanic. The Titanic wreck was a message for humanity not to repeat the same mistake. That message flew over the CEO's head.

[@hullie7529]

I don't understand that comparison. The hubris of the Titanic is a popular trope, but in reality it was built to specifications. It complied with every regulation and in fact it exceeded the standards of its time. Another common trope is that it was going too fast, which can't be supported by the evidence and there's no indication that it was so. It was just an accident, but the press of its time had to find a bad guy, someone responsible. It was too good of a story to miss it.

[@blinkin78]

@@hullie7529ehhh the literally sailed the thing head on into an iceberg only turning at the last minute, and it might have been built to *a spec* but the watertight compartments didn’t go all the way to the top like ships *should be built* so water kept flowing through the supposed (but not actually) water tight compartments. Your either being disingenuous or someone’s been giving you bad information

[@StrayHavenCami]

There was also a large amount of metal used in the construction of the Titanic that was not of a proper grade. Using inferior construction materials to save money factored into both of these incidents.

[@Historymaker-2001]

@@blinkin78 Even modern cruise ships don't have bulkheads extending all the way up. Usually, they only go up to the lowest passenger deck. On the ships I've been on, this, like Titanic, is only about 10 feet above the nominal waterline. Titanic's bulkheads extended one deck ABOVE the lowest passenger deck (F deck, though G deck, one deck lower, was home to the squash court; bulkheads went as high as E deck).

[@Historymaker-2001]

@@StrayHavenCami There is no evidence that the construction materials chosen were on account of saving money. Quite the opposite. In fact, there is no evidence the steel plates themselves failed at all during the initial collision. The seams were opened due to failure of the rivets, and even then, even if the rivets had been the same as today's quality, many would have failed due to tensile and shear stresses put on them in that collision. That being said, the slag content of the rivets may have been higher that what would have been acceptable. Like I said, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that this decision was made to save money.

[@mareavoce1272]

Unbelievable hubris that Rush thought he could outrun physics & gamble with not just his life but those of paying customers.

[@madnessintomagic]

How bizarre is it that you’d knowingly put other peoples lives at inevitable risk, and then still be witless enough to put *yourself* in the same boat as if suddenly your own lies and incompetence are negated because it’s you.

[@taylorhickman84]

"mission specialists"

[@Austrian_blood]

Oceangate needs to be criminally accountable for this tragedy.

[@carrietaylor6658]

It's gone the ceo is dead u can't criminally jail anyone else

[@carrietaylor6658]

@@andrewzcolvin That was up to the government to decide. MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE VOTED TO LEAVE IT BE. What use is it to even recover anything. Carbon fibre busts there's nothing more to know

[@carrietaylor6658]

@@andrewzcolvin They probably just take any money they have, can't do more than that really.

[@timothywatt]

The families of the victims can't sue. The passengers signed a liability waiver, forfeiting their right to sue, in case of injury or death.

[@johnmcmullen456]

@@timothywatt Would that still hold up if gross negligence or misrepresentation is found?

[@kenbob1071]

That ex-employee that got fired for refusing to compromise his standards is a hero.

[@OriginalMergatroid]

No he isn't. At best he's a whistle blower.

[@ZayShinning]

@@Plutogalaxyif true (which would be strange because how was he hired in the first place?), that does not make him any less of a hero

[@lo3769]

He did the right thing, but it's a sad indictment on our society that we consider someone doing their job correctly as a hero...

[@hullie7529]

Is he a hero? I mean, I think he did the correct thing, but if you're an engineer and you're certain something like that isn't safe and will cost lives, the "heroic" thing would be to just keep going. Every normal person would get away from that situation as fast as possible if their concerns aren't being heard.

[@MichaelWalker-wu2pq]

Not a hero. The lives were still lost. Unfortunately, since he was fired for doing his job, he's only a whistle-blower.

[@Scorpio72350]

Omg, everytime I hear an article about how people knew or felt the Titans safety was not up to scratch my heart breaks again for poor darling Suleman. He put all his trust in these men and died at 19 years old because of it. How could Stockton have let a 19 year old take a risk like that 😖😖😖

[@heather18260]

😠😠😠😠😫😫😥

[@marclaporte3710]

Mr. Rush's 2021 CBS interview : " At some point, safety gets in the way of engineering ". An insane comment as the fundamental core foundation of engineering is SAFETY !

[@andrewcheatle4691]

Safety First is how it should be always...

[@12brutalrounds87]

A dudes ego got people killed I hope the families can sue that company so they no longer exist

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@sleepinglady2778]

​@@beckydoesit9331after lawsuits, dmg to reputation it's possible they go belly up. I mean, who is going to get in one of their subs now?

[@infopm3567]

I assume you are being sarcastic lol

[@UberAwesomeDewd]

The lawyers can and probably will get past the wall of waivers they all signed but in the end you have to consider these were millionaires riding in a billionaire's sub. What good will money do their families?

[@dizmoolli275]

@@beckydoesit9331 I dont think so. Many companies will hire him, do he is responsible smart honest man.

[@sarahpiaggio2693]

It must be a strange kind of vindication when the accident that you warned about goes and happens. This is precisely what that engineer was trying to prevent. If only he'd been allowed to do his job

[@batacumba]

Tbh he probably feels absolutely horrible even though he was right. Like watching a car crash you can’t prevent. Poor guy.

[@cloud9847]

It's a disgusting feeling that leaves you more angry than anything.

[@v.sandrone4268]

Working unpaid overtime to fix a costly issue that wouldn't have happened at all if management had listened to you is an occupational hazard for Engineers.....as long as management just lose money rather than lives it is fine.

[@therealdeal3672]

Even though I would imagine he's horrified, there's got to be a little bit of, "I told you so," going on in his thoughts. But of the worst kind ever. He was right to trust his assessment obviously. Rush was a fool. Funny how last names often reflect the fatal flaw. Stockton was in a rush. (Similar to how Bernie made off with everyone's money.)

[@nocomment3294]

​@@stevenedwards8353 After his first ''successful'' dive, the only thing that would have gotten through Stockton's thick skull was water under pressure. sad that 4 people had to die for this maniacs supposed innovation.

[@optimus163]

I can understand this from my own experiences albeit in a different field. I worked for years in a profession that didnt have a ton of engineers or certifed drawings etc for reference and guidance. We took the older more experienced guys advice and direction and just went with that because they had been around longer, done some incredible things and were highly regarded. So it was a time of alot of trial and error and 'thats the way it was always done' kinda vibe.Yet they werent full-on engineers, some had gone to school or worked for Army Corp of Eng. Many times we were fudging things and pushing limits far beyond and we didnt even know it . But all it took was several accidents in the course of a couple years and the microscope got put on our industry and in came the Insurance companies with their real engineers having years of experience and schooling. We soon had stamped drawings, rigid instructions and rules to follow. No, you cannot change or beat the laws of Physics. Our construction methods needed to evolved due to what we thought at first as 'overkill' and ridiculously tight tolerances, even giving one of our engineer's the nickname 'ZT' = zero tolerance. Because we knew when it was his stamp on the drawings, this particular section was gonna be a b#*ch to put together. BUT we also now had the professionals behind us and what we built. The trust we developed for them was beyond the beyond. And the structures we built wouldnt exist were it not for the talented engineering behind them. Many times I have had to tell a client 'No' because engineering has said 'it wont work that way' . Many times the client tried to change my mind on the spot. I simply declined to discuss further and handed the phone to him 'Talk to our engineer." That usually settled it. As for OceanGate its easy for one to get blinded by innovation, fame and start believing their own sales pitch. Cockyness leads to a brick wall many times.

[@liberatedwoman]

Or a watery grave. 😎

[@ColdCutz]

Oceangate should start by paying all of his legal bills.

[@dizmoolli275]

Oceangate should pay for the sub rescue expenses.

[@steviecrow914]

OceanGate is going to skip out on all its liabilities and will file bankruptcy.

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge should work at Subway now. Get it? Couldn't hack it at OceanGate and now looking for a job while five people are dead. What an imbecile.

[@theAverageJoe25]

Rush and his company didn’t miss these warnings they actively ignored them

[@ew7512]

Not sure if this would count as murder since he wasn't planning to kill anyone, but it was surely negligent manslaughter of some kind. He had so much warning.

[@ew7512]

@@Plutogalaxy Yeah. Rush is almost lucky in a way that he never had to witness the consequences of his negligence. I suppose his company could still face legal issues.

[@oneofakind9995]

Same, if ge wasn't on thier as after its implosion I think he should be charged for killingthem accidentally. It's like someone avoiding jail after jillinf someone while texting and driving.

[@senny-]

@@ew7512 His family, too. His grandchildren will get bullied.

[@xiongpaolee]

There's this story of a legendary pool that contains gold treasures at the bottom of it. After years of exploration, a greedy adventurer finally finds the pool and dives in. Only, he himself turns instantly to gold and sinks to the bottom. His look of horror facing upwards, captured forever as a warning to others who would seek to join him.

[@beeble2003]

Claiming that the passengers were "mission specialists" is clearly bogus and surely cannot hold up in a court of law. A mission specialist is somebody who has specialist skills that are required for the mission. These people had no specialist skills, and no role in the mission. They were just paying passengers. If a cannibal's defence was "I ate steak; it is legal to eat steak", people would just say "No, you ate that guy's leg. It doesn't matter if you call it a steak."

[@hullie7529]

It was all very sketchy. They didn't even sign a commercial contract, they gave money officially to fund some research, they weren't considered tourists or even customers paying for the experience. And apparently they were warned multiple times on paper that there was a serious risk of dying. I mean, at some point you have to realize that there's something very wrong. And these people were supposed to be smart men, millionaires with a lot of knowledge about how the world works, but I guess not.

[@beeble2003]

@@hullie7529 To be fair, going down to 3800m depth in _any_ submersible is a very dangerous activity with a significant risk of dying. It appears that the design of this sub made it an even more significant risk for these guys, but diving to that depth is never safe.

[@hullie7529]

@@beeble2003 I guess, but there's a difference between a malfunction or some unforseen circumstance and the very submersible being inadequate for its purpose. When people like James Cameron and others have gone to extreme depths like the Mariana trench, I'm sure they knew there were risks, but also they must've been confident enough that as long as everything goes to plan there shouldn't be major problems. It's not like every time you go into one of these machines you toss a coin whether you're going to die or not.

[@beeble2003]

@@hullie7529 Right. With a well-designed sub, you'd be unlucky to die, but it could very well happen. Compare that to a badly designed sub, where you need to be somewhat lucky to get back to the surface. But, comparing in the opposite direction, on a commercial flight, you'd have to be _spectacularly_ unlucky to die.

[@blinkin78]

@@beeble2003there hasn’t been an accident like this ever before in the entire history of deep sea diving. Which goes to show the testing and safety procedures put into the designs of these things.

[@buckchesterfield8886]

The fact that Rush was willing to get in his death trap puts the maniac in ego-maniac.

[@cobianemmanuel]

This whole thing speaks more to the culture we have fostered in this country… that there are no authorities on anything anymore. And people with some money and an internet connection are just as qualified on any subject as someone who’s dedicated their life and education to a specific discipline.

[@sjg5994]

I agree. This society has fostered an environment where the rich make rules and will overlook things as they want to get ahead. Money will keep people quiet or move them out of the way. This incident shows how wrong that is. Unfortunately, though, it's still going to happen.

[@suporiaa6826]

YES!!

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

@@sjg5994It’s not just the rich. How many people ignore science cause they ‘know better,’ because they saw an article on Facebook, or their Qanon website. This is essentially the same thing. Thinking that science doesn’t have the answers & that pure stubbornness will make up for that lack of knowledge. I see it in the comment sections all the time.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

so youre now an authority on this?

[@ThatOpalGuy]

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 those same people think the bible is non-fiction.

[@CJWJR]

Dave Lockridge is the type of engineer that every organization needs: someone with a BACKBONE!!! Just like at the airport, "If you see something, say something." Don't back down! Big corporations need to learn from this tragedy which was completely preventable.

[@WeylandLabs]

A lot of people are actually like this in the work place, but get railroaded out the door. Usually a bosses mistake that turns poltical and then your out !

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@LibertarianGal]

@@beckydoesit9331 Delusional. You sound like a out of work oceangate employee.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

It´s not about politics. It´s about their ego. This type of bosses take any criticism as personal offense. In their heads, they are always right, even when they are not and they are often fully aware of that, but their ego can´t handle the thought of being wrong, so they try to prove, they´re right. Narcissists.

[@nopereradicator]

@@Morpheus-pt3wqThat’s exactly what it is.

[@mikegamerguy4776]

@@beckydoesit9331 This is literally the 3rd copy paste in 1 minute of looking for it, PR Becky.

[@CarlyTheKitty]

i love CNN for not sugarcoating the parameters of this tragedy and putting out what’s really necessary for those who need to learn a lesson. news outlets can be wild sometimes but its nice to see that they aren’t covering up any of the bigshot names or stories and just telling it how it is without causing an uproar. cudos to you CNN

[@reekinronald6776]

Story has no political players therefore CNN can act as a news outlet.

[@emmapeel8163]

😂

[@Scorpio72350]

I can’t stand CNN for their political bias and attempts to brainwash the public, but I’ll give them due credit for this one off non-politically biased article.

[@dameneko]

This reminds me a little of the Challenger O rings disaster, where again, decision-makers did not listen to the engineers warning them about danger. But this time, the engineer was fired.

[@amiralions2681]

I pray that Dave Lockridge has the most amazing new jobs, financial blessings to cover his legal bills, amazing great health, and a long happy life so he can continue his contributions to the safety of society.

[@Grigsy]

Really good explanation by the journalist about carbon fiber. " It is strong under tension, like a rope, but not under compression". Stretching vs squeezing. Different types of strengths.

[@julieah1000]

The 19 year old is the one I feel the most sad for 😢

[@tsunamis82]

Have you not seen his mothers interview? She contradicts what his aunt said. Photo released today show a happy dad and son before the dive.

[@nardalis4832]

@@tsunamis82 Not seen that particular interview but a photo of "happy" people doesn't necessarily mean they're happy, they could fake their emotions if they wanted to lol

[@ddoubleu170]

Yes! ☝🏾 So much life ahead of him. 😞

[@markroyds23]

It's sad for them all. One life isn't worth any more than another.... Saying you feel more sad for one person more than another doesn't make you sound like a good person it make you sound like a sheep. Following what everyone else is saying. It's sad for all affected not just the one younger person

[@nardalis4832]

@@markroyds23 Its not sheepish. It has been prevalent that the 19 years old particularly had a lot of concerns about the trip, which is why people feel for him. He could've been 40 or 60 and ppl would still feel sorry for him, because he was the only one sane in this situation. The other people in that sub, well we have Stockton which everyone hates and questions now, and then there is Mr. Titanic. No ones speaking ill of him, however one could wonder why he wanted to do this very risky trip. And then there is the sons dad, which I do not think was bad either, however he was just way too convinced of Stocktons little lies. They all are pretty important people. I wished for them all to survive, to be able to tell us what exactly happened down there. Unfortunately, things aren't that simple I guess 😭

[@TheRealSonicBeats]

I think the worst/funniest thing is that Rush never even realized how wrong he was (unless there IS an afterlife) because his death was so quick he never could process what happened

[@suew4609]

There is an afterlife and a judgment. If he purposely put these people’s lives in danger, he will pay for it in some way. But, of he was really convinced that his sub was safe, he was delusional, and of course his pride may have gotten in the way. We will never know in our lifetimes, it we will find out at the general judgment which takes place at the end of the world. There everyone’s sins and virtues will be exposed. At that point we won’t care, that is if we make it to Heaven, it will mean nothing. Prayers for your conversion🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻

[@cathybaldry7822]

If the transcript that has come out of communications between the Polar Prince and the Titan is genuine, then sadly, they knew they were in very big trouble for 20 mins before it imploded. It is most likely the carbon fibre haul where previous delamination was occurring filled with water the second they entered the water. The Titan became heavier than it should have and descended way faster than it should have. The back section where all controls were walled off, large cracking noises were noted as being heard most likely water was filling that section, killing the control systems. All warning systems were going red. The ballast was released but with the extra weight taken on by water they could barely ascend. Propulsion system A failed to respond as mentioned in the transcript communications. The last communication was supposedly of Stockton trying to revert to propulsion system B. If the transcript is real than those poor people were panicking for their lives and one can bet Stockton was trying to BS to them everything was hunky dorry. You piece of crap human being Stockton

[@tessiepinkman]

@@cathybaldry7822 Oh shit, I haven't heard anything about this transcript. Do you have a link where I can find it? I'm in Norway so I don't get the same amount of news about this sub as the US seems to get, and I'm genuinely curious to read it.

[@Kippykip]

@@tessiepinkman Look up "titan transcript leaked"

[@zoeye7095]

Sadly, I think his ego was big enough that even if we could talk to him now he'd insist he was still somehow right.

[@JosephSato-1997]

The name reminds me of the Heavens Gate years ago in San Diego, a mass suicide incident when they believed that they will be carried away by a meteorite passing by the earth. We can’t know what Rush had in his mind, but felt sorry for others who went along without know what they will ended up gone with the sub forever. RIP to all of them.

[@zarahofshiloh7537]

I am glad some are finally praising David. I was trying to point he was a hero for keeping his integrity by trying to stop the risks and giving the warnings of the failures of this design to save lives.

[@robertAWA]

“It’s about trying to beat physics….you’re not going to win that, they didn’t win that”. Said perfectly.

[@Uber---Octopus_100X]

This CEO was stubborn to the core. He can fire an employee for sharing concerns? Now, look at how the episode ended. I am only disappointed he took other people with him. What a cocky fella...

[@TiaNicoleLifestyle]

Agreed

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge... Imagine that you're so bad at submersibles that OceanGate fires you. Stockton Rush had multiple successful dives much to Lockridge's chagrin. OceanGate will be back with a submersible that's even better. And Lockridge? He can't even get a job at a fast food chain after this.

[@MimiVicini]

@@beckydoesit9331And the Titan Submersible finally imploded. Too in-your-face for you to have purposely excluded that plain fact, right?

[@darlin5167]

@@beckydoesit9331 give it up, it's a lot of BS

[@beckydoesit9331]

@@MimiVicini And David Lockridge is free of any blame, I guess. Is that your point? Imagine Lockridge's design. Probably contained a screen door.

[@SyFlys]

No role in any successful company is too small or should be overlooked. This man could’ve saved 5 souls had people just given him the time of day and a second of understanding. RIP to all the people lost but wow, I can’t help but not feel all that bad for stockton, this is what happens when you cut corners.

[@727Phoenix]

Carbon fiber composites are very strong, can indeed be used to contain a lot of pressure. They're often used to contain pressurized gasses. Perhaps the thinking was _If it can handle a huge pressure differential like that then it should work for this._ Like what was already pointed out, carbon fiber is great for *tension* stress, like pressurised gas storage, _not_ *compression* stress like at ocean depth. Yeah, hubris is what killed them.

[@kenmuturi7381]

James Cameron said its great for internal pressure but awful for external pressure.

[@Kerynasta]

I don't understand how the company which made it failed to say this to them, it was fairly obvious.

[@kenmuturi7381]

@@Kerynasta the carbon fibre was for aviation use and had already been used and was now deemed expired for aviation and was sold at a discount. And so it detailed the level of cycles it had gone through which possibly could have still been used in the airline industry but I guess they know wherw wear and tear starts and so he got it and as it was still usable and strong enough but I guess he pushed it to it's limits but had the sellers known it's purpose I'm sure they would have also gone against it.

[@andyphilpotts4636]

And, this is no secret, you don't even have to be much of an engineer, just ask any race care driver or biker about how carbon fiber fails in compression

[@ThatLadyBird]

I watched some youtube videos of people on that trip. It was horrifying that a lot of the crew downplayed every technical malfunction they were having before the accident. Safety standards dont stifle innovation, theyre merely a reality check to prevent your innovations from killing people.

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

your right...we dont need any safety standards....we should all loosen the lugnuts on our cars before we go for a drive. see, I could be a CEO someday...

[@LIamaLlama554]

“INnOvAtIoNs”

[@beckydoesit9331]

David Lockridge should work at Subway now. Get it? Couldn't hack it at OceanGate and now looking for a job while five people are dead. What an imbecile.

[@nardalis4832]

its pure BS lol I dont know why he just didn't accept the sub was not dive-worthy and remake it to smth much better and scrap the idea of carbon fiber entirely. It would have saved him so much trouble if he just listened to peoples concerns. No ones trying to stop you, they just want you and your passengers in one piece should anything happen 😅

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

@@nardalis4832 exactly. he was a billionaire...he had the money to make a more sea-worthy sub. what a fool he was.

[@robertbolivarr8363]

In one of his interviews, Stockton Rush said that SAFETY is pure waste. So in short, Titan Sub is a tickling bomb doomed from the beginning.

[@donaldcarpenter5328]

He called "SAFETY" obscene!

[@Beaneabean]

The more here I hear about him, the more deranged he sounds. Kinda confirms that he didn’t think anything would go wrong.

[@divermike8943]

Lawsuits are coming despite any signed waivers. Such documents only protect the company from "ordinary negligence" not "gross negligence". I'm an engineer myself and over the years I've noticed a trend that disturbs me. There seems to be an increased penchent for management to just insist, "Make it happen". Warnings and concerns from engineering staff go unheaded to an increasing degree and are dismissed as "negative thinking". Senior engineers when I was young didn't hesitate to speak up when they felt that something was technically wrong or unwise. These discussions sometimes got rather, "animated". At the same time management was far less likely to go against their technical staff. Today we have certain celebrity CEOs that "make the impossible happen" through shear force of will. I believe current trends come from these examples. But willpower does not change the laws of physics. The pendulum needs to swing back the otherway, at least a bit if not more.

[@sallyj632]

At the bare minimum, those emails and warnings from experts should have appeared on the paperwork the guests had signed, along with the response from Stockton. I bet they hid that info from them, and said "You have nothing to fear. Carbon fiber is highly stable. We've done this dive multiple times without incident. Yeah, it mentions "death" on the waiver but that's there because we have to put it there. Rest assured, it is reliable!" ... I bet if they saw the emails from other experts, they'd have realized Stockton was full of it.

[@vibrationalcurrency]

Safe to say this was a manifestation of Rush’s personal battles.. like being told you’re not good enough as a child and it lives with you into adulthood.

[@mort1993]

he clearly still wasn’t good enough if this is what happened 💀 prove them wrong not right

[@221b-l3t]

​@@mort1993The worst part is ge actually was an engineer. Aero not naval but still. Even an aerospace guy should know better than to tell another engineer to shut up. If he was just some CEO okay. But no, they guy understood tensors and fked up differential equations. You have to for that job. And still did what he did. I thibk that makes it worse. Like a lawyer breaking the law. They should know better. They do know better....

[@DrBlood-cq2cm]

I just read that lockridge submitted a safety complaint to OSHA in 2018 under the classification of a whistleblower. Oceangate sued him as a result charging breach of contract. My questions: What did OSHA do about his allegations? Did they even investigate? I would hate to think (but would not be surprised if) OSHA dropped the ball here.

[@formulas7002]

Not sure OSHA has governance of machinery operated in international waters...they would have governance over the workers building it and the facility it was built at, but not over the sub rating and testing itself.

[@ammerudgrenda]

Because the sub wasn’t carrying passengers, OSHA didn’t see this as a high priority. The occupants were called Mission Specialists, so the would not be considered “passengers “.

[@liberatedwoman]

@@formulas7002 correct. 😎

[@susanadiasjohnson457]

Superb reporting. By leaps and bounds the best I've been able to find so far. So many lives devastated --- the owner, his paying passengers, all their children, family and friends, and the entire field is forever remembered by this horrific event. Hopefully, this is a teachable moment with shocking, senseless devastation to impress on us the importance of following standard applicable policy in making subs, helicopters, cruise ships, passenger jets, skyscrapers, houses and cars.

[@illuminaughty2929]

I find it amazing that the whistleblower is mired in legal bills.

[@nopereradicator]

That’s usually how it goes.

[@nopereradicator]

@@ReverendSnedley All these whistleblower laws and you still get slammed. It’s ridiculous and why the madness continues.

[@KC-ed1dj]

Who is suing him? OceanGate?

[@G274Me]

@@KC-ed1dj Most likely. Probably signed a confidentiality agreement with rush and when he blew the whistle, he broke it.

[@kcjd8659]

The warning signs weren’t “missed,” they were ignored.

[@nmitch5883]

This

[@vloggergirl9387]

The old employee is a hero and for him to speak out on it is a big deal I'm glad that someone said something because this cannot happen again and honestly Stockton rush was so far up his own ass that he decided to put others at risk cannot be ever okay. I feel for the people who were inside the submersible. This is disgusting

[@guppygb6078]

You're the only one who thinks this! I haven't seen a single comment with anything similar!

[@XxHyJyNxX]

@@guppygb6078Just gotta be a jerk, huh..?

[@guppygb6078]

@SuperNostalgia. Please tell me more about how I can be saved.

[@here2watch08]

"... seems to take personal criticism with offense..."CEO hallmark numero uno.

[@user-jy8zb2wc8l]

The guy is already dead so the real win in this case would be a legislative or court ruling that results in prevention from this type of thing happening. People shouldn't be dying because they can be lied to about their safety and they should have been informed about the risks and not have to be a sub expert to figure that out for themselves.

[@syncmonism]

This is exactly what makes for a good engineer. They were willing to lose their job over a safety issue. This reminds me of that engineer who worked for the solid fuel rocket booster contractor for the space shuttle, who refused to sign-off on launching the Space Shuttle at below the originally determined safe launch temperatures. The shuttle ended up blowing up on live television in front of millions of school children.

[@MrEh5]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@babbs128]

There are still people out there with integrity and not afraid to call out someone in power even when the odds are stacked against them. Even though this ended badly, he's no less of a hero .

[@aggiesjc]

That's why Rush wanted a bunch of college interns around him -- nobody to confront him about his bad design, bad engineering and cut corners.

[@richardsmithmusic]

The saddest thing about this accident, and the biggest travesty, is that because an implosion happens so quickly, Stockton Rush didn’t get the chance to fully realize his mistakes, feel the fear he deserved to feel, and feel the regret he deserved to feel before he was squashed to death. He and his ego are 100% to blame behind this tragic accident that could have been avoided, should have been avoided, and every expert in the industry knew it. His ego got himself and others killed.

[@YogaBlissDance]

They were on the way up, ballasts were dropped, in interview one person shared...so he must have know hopefully others were not told...but...

[@richardsmithmusic]

@@YogaBlissDance Maybe he heard cracking sounds and realized in just a couple of seconds that he would be remembered as an egotistical asswipe for the rest of eternity.

[@coltonblake13]

Wtf? The saddest thing is someone didn't suffer in death? What sort of human a are you?

[@liam3104]

@@YogaBlissDance ive also heard they could have heard a tearing sound moments before it happened but take that with an absolute grain of salt

[@coltonblake13]

@ghettoBabyJesus everyone just says day one they tell you the danger and mention death no less then 3 times. It's like sky diving, or mrna injection. You assess the risks and make a decision. These people weren't the first and they weren't tricked or lied to